Why is r/theredpill so loathed?

theubercuber · 2013-11-25T14:38:56+00:00

I dont even think its not understanding. Im convinced alot of them havent even read anything here and theyve just been told that were a bunch of manipulative misogynists who just want sex and hate women.

With that preconception, reading only a few thread titles in a skim sort of validates that.

I found TRP through someone mentioning in a discussion i was having, 'those misogynists at the red pill', and i, being me, immediately wanted to know what this was, because ive honestly never known of anything called misogynistic that is :P

Xbitz · 2013-11-25T21:52:25+00:00

Men are ego invested in the lifetime of blue pill lies.

Its hard to let all that go as a sunk cost, even if they know its lies.

7Vega · 2013-11-25T14:48:41+00:00

Women hate it because it threatens the frame they benefit so much from. If every guy started following the protocol listed here then women as a whole would lose a massive amount of power and control.

Blue-pill eaters hate it because it represents competition. They are sincerely convinced that their Nice-Guy ^TM way to getting girls is the "right" way and that it would work if there weren't so many red-pill "jerks" running around.

Clauderoughly · 2013-11-25T15:33:44+00:00

There are many reasons, none of which are based on any sort of logic.

It's easier to hold RP up as some sort of boogey man, and blame all the worlds problems on it, rather than take an objective look at the issues.

There are a few things I love about this sub

It's overwhelmingly positive when it comes to problems. This sub offers practical solutions to improving your relationships with the opposite sex, rather than just whining about things.
It accepts that for the most part, traditional gender roles worked really, really well for the last few thousand years and sees no reason to discard them.
The methods here, active work, are evidence based and are repeatable in the real world.

I think that one of the major reasons RP gets so much hate is that we can actively and repeatably prove most of feminist theory to be completely false.

That terrifies the feminists on reddit, and their male lickspittles.

thinkon1t · 2013-11-25T14:26:28+00:00

Because reality bites.

TheSonofLiberty · 2013-11-25T18:53:10+00:00

You guys need to watch some of the shit you post.

There was an RoK link a few days ago that basically said all trans* people are freaks; that isn't the type of thing that is going to get you more men and women to change their minds.

Many of the comments here are also just generic "Us vs Them" approach, hinting that everything that is posted here is 100% true, and that they just don't like the "truth."

For example, this comment:

Because almost the entire population has been brainwashed/socially engineered with the ideology of feminism.

It's like asking why atheism is loathed in Saudi Arabia, you offend their belief system.

Exactly what I mean. Obviously the only reason people dislike TRP is entirely because of their environment, not because they have actually read anything and disagreed, only TRP can read and actively apply their minds to form an opinion!

sticky_buddy · 2013-11-25T15:39:41+00:00

For the same reason that NSA doesn't like Snowden.

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AWiseBro · 2013-11-25T14:46:09+00:00

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

youssarian · 2013-11-25T15:59:42+00:00

I'm still new to the whole "red pill" concept. Not sure yet if I'm going to get on board with it, but I've been eating up the philosophy of it a lot the past few days. I can see two reasons why the red pill philosophy is unliked.

First, it dares to declare that men and women are not equal. Women want men to lead them, are apparently less rational then men, etc. Men are needed to be the leaders, are better at logic, etc. To the uneducated eye, these seem to paint women in a negative light while glorifying men. It looks misogynistic. When in reality, red pill philosophy (which I am inclined to agree with in this aspect) states that men and women are just naturally different. One's not better than the other, but they act differently and fulfill different roles. Our society is trying to promote equality in all things (feminism?). In matters of law and religion I'm all for equality of the genders, but in other aspects of life, it's just not feasible for that equality to exist.

Second it seems to radically strategize dating and relationships. It's the same reason /r/seduction seems to be disliked. People talk and plan about meeting a nice lady and possibly hooking up. It comes off as creepy. Just like the previous reason, I think it's partially lack of understanding about the philosophy behind it.

TheeRyanGrey · 2013-11-26T02:43:02+00:00

For the same reason we as a society have become obsessed with every escapism known to man, from masturbation and television, to the internet and every drug possible:

The truth hurts my dude. It hurts.

We've built a society crafted around never having to accept the truth and it's made us a drugged up, internet obsessed, fat, lazy, angry populus.

Archwinger · 2013-11-25T15:55:32+00:00

Several reasons.

Women don't know what they want. They know what they think they want, what they say they want, what they're supposed to say they want, but they don't know what they actually want. And when you put to text what women actually want and what actually works for them, they sound like crazy children, especially when you put the truth alongside how they act and what they do with themselves. Women hate any source of information that makes them sound stupid, and they hate TRP even more because it actually works (but only on those other stupid girls!)
Most men do "okay" (in their own minds) by just going out, being a nice guy, being themselves, never focusing on self improvement, never tightening their game, and spending their entire lives bowing to women and hoping to find one who will honor them with eventual sex and marriage. They keep at this long enough that a girl eventually puts out and marries them, and they consider themselves lucky to have her. They did everything "right" and they ended up with a girl. Anybody who tells them that there's a need for TRP is clearly a stupid internet virgin living in his mother's basement who can't get any. Because they didn't have to do any of this and look at them -- they have a wife! They're so smart and successful.
The truth is sexist. Because what women really want is to be women. They're not attracted to pussy men who ask their permission for everything and always defer to what the woman wants. They're attracted to confident leaders, who know what they want and get it. The biggest turn-on for women is to be involved with a high value man -- a winner. Not to be wined and dined by a chump who's buying them flowers and taking them out to eat every 5 seconds because he doesn't have anything else to do with his life. But accepting this as true flies in the face of empowered women and the feminist movement.
For every man that is successful in spite of the odds stacked against him, the power of others over him weakens, the access of others to his wealth and time and resources weakens, and it flies in the face of every man who didn't walk this road and ended up a trapped loser.

andromede8 · 2013-11-25T14:54:07+00:00

Because people think that feminine traits on men and masculine traits on women are the shit, while the other way around is disgusting and sexist.

frequentlywrong · 2013-11-25T14:54:54+00:00

Because feminism is mainstream and seen as an irrefutable truth. TRP is the complete opposite of feminism.

redpill80 · 2013-11-25T20:07:51+00:00

From the outside's perspective, this is a hate group. The perception is that the men here think being assholes, mean, deceptive, rude, and generally shitty people (rapey^TM ) is the way to be "alpha" and that women (and society as a whole) like these traits. When you start with that perception, you will dismiss pretty much any comment coming out of here.

So TBP laughs at TRP because all they see are a bunch of douchebags self-fellating to their own cause. Humans are funny; when there's a group of people we don't like, we are far more likely to dislike the words coming from that group. The premise is that TRP is evil, the next step is to validate those feelings by finding misogynistc comments. pretty much everything on here has the potential to be interpreted that way.

[deleted] · 2013-11-26T06:18:53+00:00

Because there is a vocal minority of bitter dick heads that makes us look bad.

soincrediblylost · 2013-11-26T10:56:51+00:00

I think that /r/theredpill is a strange thing that's changing the more people it attracts.

This subreddit seemingly blew up in the last 2 years. I remember some old stuff from Athol Kay, a guy who had a blog who I'm pretty sure coined the term theredpill, and a lot of it was just more so examining the sexes and how to be a good dude. At the heart of it, it was relationship hacks, tips, and tricks for guys, based on experience and facts, and a lot of people's personal anecdotes. It was guys who wanted to be teachers, or mentors.

So what the red pill was, was having a mentor who showed you how to improve.

But slowly, a huge shift seemed to take place, and a lot of the guys that came here were guys who were burned in a relationship or held some form of resentment. The red pill switched slowly away from focussing on improving with mentors and students (the red pill reference itself was from the matrix and Morpheus teaching Neo what was going on), to being focused on stories of why no relationships should be avoided with a little Alpha/Beta quote thrown in on the end.

It started as a way to bridge the gap between the sexes, but has turned into blowing up the bridge between the sexes as more people who were burned or dependent on a relationship for happiness come here. So slowly theredpill has come to be about how women suck rather than what it started out as.

As more people come here, and more men came here thinking that everything in the world that's wrong is based on women or being beta or some mix of that, rather than on focusing on how to improve.

So slowly, a second shift is taking place, this time it's with the outside world. The first shift stopped looking at how to improve ourselves in a relationship with women and started with guys saying all women are the problem. And now the second shift is taking place as that view gets out into the world.

The red pill is becoming combative because a lot of the guys here blame their problems on women or some aspect or society. And a lot of women are same on the other side.

So what's happening, is everybody who's scared to ever be hurt again is doing everything they can to assure themselves that the way they view the world (and that the other sex is responsible for all their problems) is right.

IllimitableMan · 2013-11-25T17:48:54+00:00

Why is r/theredpill so loathed?

Because almost the entire population has been brainwashed/socially engineered with the ideology of feminism.

It's like asking why atheism is loathed in Saudi Arabia, you offend their belief system.

drrrrrr · 2013-11-25T20:27:52+00:00

There's three reasons

People hate the idea that men can "win" at dating, hookup culture, LTR, etc. We go a step beyond seddit in this regard - seddit will say, "Hey, here are some tricks that men can use to win the game against these stacked odds." TRP says "the natural state of things is for man to win in these fields by default. By simply behaving masculine (ie not giving any commitment away until you are getting the sex and personality you want) you win. Which is why people will hate on TRP more than PUA even. PUA on some level acknowledges than women are on the pedestal or at least equal footing, by saying "you need to learn all these tools to charm the girl". TRP says that men are on the pedestal as soon as they internalize who they are as men. This deeply offends beta males and women the most.
People have been groomed for a long, long time to have the maximum appeal to authority and mainstream. Women especially. If a feminist twitter celeb or Jezebel writer writes about how TRP is evil, it is not only as convincing as having logically reached this conclusion from unbiased interpretation of our material, it is MORE CONVINCING. Appeal to authority and argument ad populum are exponentially more powerful than independent thought. If 10 twitter celebs say X, you need 100 events to occur right in front of your eyes to jar you out of blind belief. If 10 twitter celebs, 15 facebook friends, 5 news articles, and 50 upvoted reddit comments say "TRP is evil" you would literally need MILLIONS of pieces of contradictory real life data to change a indoctrinated female's mind.
We have trolls. Even websites I like troll too much. We troll, they cherrypick the trolled articles to bitch about, then our sites have to troll harder to acheive the same viewcount. You also have to combine this with the fact that we live in a time where appreciation of satire, parody, and other forms of subversive humor are at an all-time low.

W-Z-R · 2013-11-25T16:57:13+00:00

All things like not providing support and validation unless you are getting sex, not marrying a women who has ridden dozens of different Alpha dicks etc etc all run counter to the interests of women (which is why the feminists never debate us logically) so of course nomatter how true it is, they will oppose this. The ironic thing is, lots of men loath us too simply because biologically men are hardwired to protect and look after women so anything which makes these delicate snowflakes angry just has to be terrible.

monsieurhire2 · 2013-11-25T19:45:29+00:00

It's not loathed by everyone. Most people don't even know it exists. There's a vocal group of partisans that purport to loathe it.

ClearArmor · 2013-11-25T16:31:27+00:00

Koolaid drinkers get butt hurt when you don't join or validate them.

JonFrost25 · 2013-11-25T15:06:00+00:00

"Truth is always dangerous. Contrary to common belief, it does not always prevail. But it's always a bad idea to turn your back on it."

Gorgonzola54 · 2013-11-25T16:04:00+00:00

Truth hurts.

ovie12 · 2013-11-25T17:47:33+00:00

It stands in contrast to the leftist hivemind that is the majority of reddit.

DevilishRogue · 2013-11-25T17:18:20+00:00

People hate hate hate to change a concept they've taken for granted all their lifes. Things become part of your reality and once they do, some people just can't let go of them, they'll hold on to it, even when presented with massive evidence against their version of reality.

I think of them as weak and pathetic, because they prefer to lie to themselves all their life, all because it's easier for them.

The guys here were presented with the same evidence, yet chose to accept it as the truth, and change their beliefs accordingly. You can say whatever you want about the people in this subreddit, but they're stronger than the ones outside it, that chose to ignore reality.

DevilishRogue · 2013-11-25T23:23:43+00:00

Here's why: while there is a LOT of very positive things about TRP, like embracing masculinity, self-improvement, being assertive, embracing responsibility of your own needs and dreams, and taking women off of a pedestal and treating them like the fallible human creatures they are, there is also a portion of the community with very negative, destructive views. I want to call them a minority but I don't think they are.

These negative views include that all women are whores, it's ok to manipulate women into sex, celebrating "alpha" behaviour that in reality just makes you look like a needy asshole (like "The Dark Triad" personality, which a lot of fucking idiots are fascinated with for whatever reason), etc.

Now when someone unfamiliar with TRP steps into a topic and sees these latter viewpoints being expressed, it's impossible to tell that these are "fringe opinions" rather than being "core ideas" (whatever that means) of TRP, so they pick up the idea that TRP advocates "manipulating women (who are all dirty whores btw) into sex by acting like an abusive narcissistic sociopath."

Another reason is that reddit is a hub for left-wing ideologies, especially feminism. Any community that openly mocks feminism (as they should be mocked) gets marginalised. Same case for r/mensrights and r/seduction and the like.

masterrod · 2013-11-25T15:48:21+00:00

TRP is all about stripping women of their "power".. how could women like that? Especially when many women are so pious that they think everything they do is right cause it feels right. haha...

I think it's great.. i don't agree with everyone here.. but I like the aim of the subreddit..

Divinityfound · 2013-11-25T17:24:39+00:00

I think that it really is more that to them, we are the "they are not apart of our ideology" group.

Feminism strongly invests into the idea that their version of equality is the only right idea, and anything that diverts from that is just wrong. So they take offense to our premise:

It is okay for Men and Women to be different.

And worse, in their minds, we advocate self improvement of our strengths, and minimization of our weaknesses. But we also advocate the same for women.

We also advocate the idea that nothing is sacred, and that all things have certain value.

Not to mention that a lot of what we say can be summed up like this by women and overly invested young men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

UnimpressedAsshole · 2013-11-25T18:38:33+00:00

“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” -George Orwell

AliasSigma · 2013-11-25T19:43:00+00:00

As somebody who has found this subreddit a few days ago from a link, let me explain to you guys what I found recently on the front page.

A guy posted about finally saying no to his girlfriend. Rather than be happy that he was finally not being a "beta", you guys were encouraging him to turn it around and start having her do things for him.

Somebody posted about how they were seeing a girl and that their form of leading was completely ignoring her if they she did not do what he wanted.

A post of a quote about how young women really want old men that reads like it was written by a former high school athlete going through his mid life crisis and trying to regain his sexuality.

Somebody posting about how the girl he was seeing was manipulating a guy to be her girlfriend and he casually mentions how he's been putting off making it an LTR and uses this as justification.

A lot of this looks manipulative because, hell, it is manipulative.

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[deleted] · 2013-11-26T08:35:08+00:00

Because you are totally lost in irony. I can take good portion of your posts and replace what you are bitching at (usually women) with TRPers and it still will make sense

Exhibit A:

Women TRP have natural predispositions too: Attention-seeking, curious, emotional, irrational, solipsistic, unable to constructively deal with stress/criticism, likes to blame others [feminism], etc. Almost all of these can be subjected to a combination of operant conditioning.

Curious is overstretching though.

Exhibit B:

It's a circle-jerk sub that helps frustrated people to vent about The Red Pill and blame men [feminism] for all their problems in their lives.

Remember that is easier to bitch about what other people do/say/think than to try to better yourself.

Like overweight bitter women [Terper] with as bad BO as attitude blame the patriarchy [feminism, beta, white knights] because men [women] don't find her lard ass attractive.

Exhibit C

Because they're fucking detestable [Existence of this thread is proof], unappreciative [women = hamsters], self-entitled["alpha fucks, beta bucks"], lacking femininity[masculinity - possession of the qualities traditionally associated with men. Since "being detest" is not one of them, applies], unskilled["halp me how to be alpha"], obnoxious [e.g. negging]... western women (mainly women of the anglosphere) are the fucking joke of the world followed closely by the feminist bitches [MRA or PUA] in western europe and Scandinavia (at least they are better educated than anglosphere women though) [not really applicable]

Exhibit D:

Women (TRPers) don't know what they want. They know what they think they want, what they say they want, what they're supposed to say they want[TRP is all saying what real alpha should want and do], but they don't know what they actually want. And when you put to text what women [TRPer] actually want and what actually works for them, they sound like crazy children, especially when you put the truth alongside how they act and what they do with themselves. Women hate any source of information that makes them sound stupid, and they hate TRP even more because it actually works (but only on those other stupid girls!)

After browsing posts and comments, it's hard to not to come to conclusion that TRP is not The Red Pill, but The Redneck's Projections.

(No links as they disallowed)

HatchbacksandTattoos · 2013-11-26T15:44:32+00:00

They are close minded and picture a bunch of guys who worship Mystery. If you buy into the red pill philosophy you can actually see it work in real life, whether it is you practicing it or others. It's interesting to think that these people that loathe TRP and think we are all misogynists and what not, see the application of certain red pill ways of acting in their daily lives and see the power and effect it has, but they can't see why it works...

Whyver · 2013-11-27T05:19:08+00:00

It's a threat to social order and recent cultural trends.

jorgander · 2013-11-25T17:01:17+00:00

TLDR: People don't like the truth

Consider the name "the red pill" and Neo's reaction upon swallowing it. There was disbelief and anger before acceptance.

Even if they have some inkling that TRP might be correct, it is easier to engage in polite fiction than consider the depravity people are capable of. TRP cares little about politics, feelings, social boundaries, or any qualifying characteristics (gender, age, skin color, nationality, etc.). No one is beyond scrutiny or deconstruction, as it should be. However, people don't like when their pedestal or "mystique" is explained away with a few simple words.

The men the American people admire the most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest the most violently are those who try to tell them the truth (H.L. Mencken)

I've found this to be true in my own life. Being honest gets me labeled an inconsiderate asshole. I know this isn't RP in the same sense, but it is the same in that people have a bad reaction to hearing something they don't like. Much later some of the women have told me they appreciated that I was honest with them about my unavailability, but I can tell they don't. They'd rather I told them what they wanted to hear.

Another great quote:

The powers of astute observation are often mistaken for cynicism by those who do not possess the powers of astute observation. (George Bernard Shaw)

pcadrian · 2013-11-25T16:46:51+00:00

From what I've seen, a lot of times people will exaggerate things here to illustrate a concept. It comes across very harsh to the "untrained eye."

complete_asshole_ · 2013-11-25T20:19:30+00:00

Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

[Neo's eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]

Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?

Neo: I was...

Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.

[the woman in the red dress is now Agent Smith, pointing a gun at Neo's head; Neo ducks]

Morpheus: Freeze it.

[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]

Neo: This... this isn't the Matrix?

Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them.

Old_Pine_Tree · 2013-11-25T22:00:37+00:00

Why do they try to paint the red pill as something it isn't?

Because there are cases where users on this sub-reddit do say some absurd, hateful, or horrific things.

Unfortunately, when you have a political axe to grind, that's what grabs the attention. The rest of us who are well-adjusted men who do NOT 'hate' women but realize there is a gender dynamic at play and want to learn how to exploit it for mutual benefit get drowned out by the shrieks and howls.

See: the entire field of public relations.

taco_roco · 2013-11-25T15:53:34+00:00

As someone who's been lurking for a couple months now, and still on the fence on how to define TRP, I'll say this:

It's not that the TRP is wrong (all the time), it's just put in an asshole manner. People don't respond to that well, be it truthful or not.

Side note, the contradictions that pop up from time to time are a bloody mess..

Women are evil because they try and manipulate men (i.e. shit-tests), but when men do it it's perfectly okay and should be encouraged.

Back to lurking...

pro_skub · 2013-11-25T14:38:49+00:00

Stockholm syndrome methinks. Simplifying a lot, women are inherently more evil than men. Many men refuse calling them out of their bullshit to avoid the can't-get-laid shaming and instead side with them, which also brings them a marginally increase in the amount of pussy they get (normally, at a high price anyway).

griesuschrist · 2013-11-26T21:10:05+00:00

It's always windiest at the top of the mountain.

Also, idgaf.

Tastysalad101 · 2013-11-26T01:59:54+00:00

It's funny because i never heard about TRP until someone was saying how bad it was in some comments so i checked it out to see how bad it was now i've been subbed here for like 3 months.

HarleyWalker · 2013-11-25T16:40:52+00:00

They fear the implications of our veracity.

trudatness · 2013-11-25T17:28:59+00:00

For the same reason memes about the Friend Zone get brigaded and downvoted into oblivion on /r/adviceanimals.

If you were successfully running a con and someone else started pointing out the tenets of your con, you would want to shut that person up.

TRP debunks the Feminist con.

Hateblade · 2013-11-25T16:51:18+00:00

Because it's something that is real, cold and hard and unyielding, as opposed to warm and fake and emotion-charged like 99% of everything else out there in the world, AKA, the blue pill.

Mouthpiece · 2013-11-25T19:08:53+00:00

Because it threatens their own world view, one they depend on others believing.

remotemaster · 2013-11-25T15:00:50+00:00

first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

looks like stage 3

FuckOffSRSCunts · 2013-11-25T23:26:31+00:00

It's about looking at things objectively when it comes to subjects people speak about only with emotion. To outsiders it might seem like pessimism, but reality isn't kind. It's cold and ruthless, and that's the red pill.

[deleted] · 2013-11-26T05:21:48+00:00

Meh, not something I use too much of my brain power on. I could not care less what the typical reddit user thinks.

TheDoctorMouse · 2013-11-25T20:28:57+00:00

For lots, I expect that they were either told that TRP is full of scum and villainy. Others probably read the headlines here on a... less wholesome day and were unenthusiastic about the titles (lots of alpha/beta, slut and whore words, etc.). The tone here can at times be a bit angry or frustrated, and little to nothing is sugar-coated.

I personally find these to be arguments from ignorance or worse, hypersensitivity. However, there are in my opinion a few legit complaints that people may have.

There's a large ratio of anecdotal evidence to scientific research posted here with regards to some of the foundational philosophies of human behavior on TRP, in terms of quantity at least. I personally find this a bit of a turn off, but that may just be my background as a psychology undergraduate.
The language here is rather bro-ey and certainly can carry a know-it-all patronizing tone. To a person unfamiliar with the more underlying ideas of this subreddit, this may be alienating, especially since words with heavy cultural connotations are thrown around lots (e.g., slut).
TRP has a stated goal of helping individuals with self-improvement in a post-feminist world where culture and laws may be unequally skewed against men. /r/MensRights specifically focuses on making society and law more fair for men. This disconnect in focus can be grounds for conflict, especially when the former advocates for exploiting gender differences in society while the latter advocates nullification of gender differences legally.

Collectively, TRP needs to decide which if any of these factors are deserving of change. Personally I only think the first point should be addressed.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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DevilishRogue · 2013-11-25T21:36:39+00:00

Cognitive dissonance. Everything they see here rings true but goes directly against everything they've been told and think they've known.

[deleted] · 2013-11-26T00:17:52+00:00

It's not that you're loathed. It's more that you're sort of the laughing stock of Reddit in my experience. Seriously when I first heard of this place I thought it was a parody subreddit "The Red Pill", "Alpha" or "Beta" it's awesomely hilarious. It's like reading greentexts from 4chan but in self post form.

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AlfredTheGreatest · 2013-11-25T18:09:32+00:00

There is nothing more unpopular than the truth.

StasisNation · 2013-11-25T20:23:18+00:00

I read the perfect explanation a few days ago that pretty much sums up TRP;

"People hate to hear the truth. Lies/mistakes do not bother people, you would not scream death threats at a child who tells you 2+2=5. But a child who tells their mother she's fat? That kid's in for a world of hurt".

LouisWinthorpIII · 2013-11-25T20:42:55+00:00

It's loathed because it makes many people in our society uncomfortable (women and BPs)...compounded by the fact that deep inside they know that TRP is actually the truth.

DoctorsHateHim · 2013-11-25T20:43:04+00:00

Who cares if it's loathed

sagginpus · 2013-11-25T21:39:14+00:00

Seriously... Been telling one of my best friends about it, and even though he is married I feel like there is some good info on gender roles that all men should understand (even if they choose not to love by those rules). He's my boy, and his wife is really cool, but I know that he is beta when it comes to a lot of things with his relationship. His attitude is "I have to please my wife and make her happy in order to have a good relationship, and TRP is all a bunch of mysoginistic shit that is counterproductive to what I want to achieve." But then again, he doesn't read the articles I send him either... I don't get it. Maybe some of the "bros nailing dimes" talk doesn't sit well with a married guy, but at least try to abstract the points and realize that there is some base human gender role shit that is relevant to sexuality and therefore maybe some shit that could put your LTR into perspective.

LuciusExitius · 2013-11-25T21:53:35+00:00

The biggest complaint I hear is actually about the "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house" on our side bar. They think we hate women and that we are all rapists. They couldn't differentiate between someone venting and getting upset and the core values of TRP which is basically, men and women are different, have a strong frame, be the best person you can be physically and mentally, and strive to be a leader. But if you watch was /r/thebluepill posts its usually a selected comment or a post taken way out of context. Its like they don't understand that anyone can post on these subs.

weirdinternetstalker · 2013-11-26T00:37:17+00:00

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”

[deleted] · 2013-11-26T00:44:42+00:00

It's just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance plain and simple.

Holding two contradictory sets of beliefs is extremely uncomfortable for a human being, it can't be done. So they'd rather trust the devil they know than the devil they don't.

The intense backlash is also just that, coupled with jealousy to an extent. Here we are living by our own rules that we defined through science and the collected observations of thousands of men, that is in direct defiance of the principals engrained in their minds. They hear this and hate it, because we are getting what we want in life by doing everything that they cannot do. To them it's simply unfair that we can do this and get away with it, when they have to continue pretending that the shit they shovel is worth its weight in gold if they want to keep their world intact.

Notice the key marker of someone "swallowing" the red pill: it's when society's rules finally took everything from a man that he usually makes it here. When he has nothing left to lose he no longer has to desperately cling on to defunct ideas and live in a perpetual myth. There is nothing more that society can do to him, so he begins to look at things clearly for the first time.

MarkarthAlchemist · 2013-11-27T02:37:38+00:00

They are loathed because of self-hating white knights who are deluded to the extent that they think "beta game" gets you anywhere.

Also, Reddit is a hotbed of trannies who are the most insane feminists around other than, well, feminists.

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watermelonpickle · 2013-11-25T20:47:11+00:00

Because almost nothing posted here is peer-reviewed or based on peer-reviewed research, yet you all claim to have this vast amount of knowledge that AFCs don't get.

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Simmz · 2013-11-25T21:08:49+00:00

For the same reason ALL truth movements are loathed....

We live in a world of lies.

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[deleted] · 2013-11-25T23:46:05+00:00

Everyone else hates TRP because feminists hate TRP and feminists dictate the public discourse on how men and women should act together. So if you are RP, you are anti-feminist, and thus you HAVE to be anti-woman according to them. This is the sort of bully-tactics feminists use these days.

BenevolentGandy · 2013-11-26T00:00:38+00:00

This is one of the few places that are sane, but most of you deny basic things.

Things like genetics, face, body, money and status are not even mentioned. Instead it is all about game which in my opinion doesn't exist.

alfabro91 · 2013-11-26T12:19:44+00:00

I'd say most guys acknowledge how accurate and correct the red pill worldview is when you talk to them in a guys only environment.

When there's a pussy present, even if its a virtual pussy on the internet like on reddit, men start acting differently. The White Knights on reddit are 20-something, nerdy, shy etc. the kind of guys who women see as their asexual friends. The White Knights think that by shitting on the red pill truth teller, they're going to raise their own value in the eyes of women.

We've all seen this dynamic in real life where a beta male thinks that by siding with the women he is raising his own value. Its the exact same process happening on a larger scale on the internet, except these internet white knights have yet to realize that getting pussy through a copper wire is physically impossible.

HappyJerk · 2013-11-25T17:17:16+00:00

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

Obviously, if you ask TRP people why they are hated they are going to say that everybody else is stupid. But here is the truth:

The obvious reasons TRP is hated is because in our modern, liberal world (which reddit is an extreme example of) its simply not politically correct to say that there are any differences between men and women. There are lots of hard-core feminist-y people that deny men and women are even different in terms of physical strength. This is just a dogma of our modern times and it has the same fanatical irrational support as religion does. And of course multiply this by 1000X when the differences you are opining on cause women to be submissive to dominant men and cause women to do cruel things to men they are in relationships with.

That said, another reason people hate TRP is because this place of full of misogynistic douchebags. Most men naturally don't gravitate towards TRP ideas on their own - most men that are here are here because they've been fucked over by some woman (likewise, most hardcore feminists are only there because something caused them to hate/fear men). That's fine, but those men are probably also going to carry some emotional baggage and misguided anger. I've seen some extremely woman-hating shit on this forum which is extremely gross.

Finally, a lot of the concepts around PUA what is an "alpha male" are very complicated and they can sound extremely dumb and angry in the hands of a stupid person. I saw a post on this subreddit a few days ago by a guy who was like "Why won't my wife listen to my orders" - that is not an appealing thing for anybody to hear, much less from a guy who was unemployed and whose wife was supporting him. Likewise, I also read a "field report" here a few days ago where a guy basically admitted to raping a girl. Any community like this needs to quickly weed out its extreme/ugly/stupid members, but its not happening fast eno ugh.

Title	Why is r/theredpill so loathed?
Author	DevilishRogue
Upvotes	92
Comments	306
Date	November 25, 2013 2:22 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1rf1tg/why_is_rtheredpill_so_loathed/
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