PUA tactics work and prove that attraction is very formulaic

Lovers691 · 2023-05-18T23:09:43+00:00

I am tall, attractive, wealthy and socially confident

Do you not believe this heavily contributed to your success because a lot of PUAs say their methods work independent of LMS especially looks

Enough_Chemistry3258 · 2023-05-19T01:23:43+00:00

Unfortunately some tactics work by lowering other peoples self esteem but yea it works... until they figure it out

topredhat · 2023-05-18T23:57:16+00:00

One of the biggest benefits of pua is learning how to deal with people, how to persuade, influence others and attract women on a basic level. Inner game is like a mental framework.

Out of anything I'm thankful for redpill when it was valuable adding is introducing me to the concept/idea of inner game. Learn how to be charismatic, dealing with the cause of my anxiety, meditation, habit building techniques and changing my beliefs systems that was stopping from performing well in life and dating. Has had the most Profound impact in my life.

EugeneCezanne · 2023-05-19T00:23:33+00:00

Generousity, kindness, being playful, deep conversation

You can be like this AND have game. You just didn't have game. Stop concluding not-being-an-asshole doesn't work just because you, personally, were not good at it.

jellyroll8 · 2023-05-19T00:31:25+00:00

what you described doesnt really sound like an "asshole" to me, i assume when you say "putting her down" you mean teasing?

when you act cool and unfazed by women, you are making yourself out to be an individual rather than someone who is dependent on pussy. making yourself out to be desperate in any capacity is a pretty big mood killer, it signals that you're not good enough for a partner so you have to try hard

DicamVeritatem · 2023-05-19T13:21:39+00:00

The biggest beneficiaries of game are attractive men who previously had shitty game. Truly transformative.

And sobering. As one wise manosphere scribe put it, “success with women is more demoralizing than failure”.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-05-18T23:58:22+00:00

Those tactics will work on the subset of women who are either interested in casual sex and are actively looking for a playmate or are so damaged that they are vulnerable to blatant manipulation.

Those tactics are far less likely to be successful with well adjusted women and those who aren’t specifically looking to get laid and merely selecting a penis owner.

To use the fishing metaphor you guys love so much…your choice of lure dictates your possible catch 🤷‍♀️

KayRay1994 · 2023-05-18T23:02:24+00:00

its part having the confidence of a successful salesman and part use of basic manipulation tactics - just like any proven manipulation tactic, it works to get you what you want, but often at the expense of the other person

AngeCruelle · 2023-05-18T23:39:44+00:00

It's not who I am or what I want to be

Well there are two possibilities here then, because something isn't adding up.

You're going to wind up deeply unhappy at the end of this road, because what you're doing is at odds with who you fundamentally are, and at some point when the sex stops fulfilling you you're gonna step back and wonder if it was all worth it.
You're being exactly who you are and what you want to be. You're in denial because that would require admitting you are and want to be an asshole.

Safinated · 2023-05-18T23:10:43+00:00

If PUA was that successful, every man would use it to wet his dick. Who’s gonna say no, except the religious and the severely mentally/physically disadvantaged?

Novadina · 2023-05-19T00:11:44+00:00

Acting more confident, more chill, putting her down rather than up, being sexually assertive and stuff. The results? Women fall in love with me, cook for me and I get laid. They also think I’m less creepy.

But now I’m so confused. Why is it that being an asshole gets me laid?

Have you tried everything you mentioned, but not being an asshole? Why are your so sure it was the asshole part that increased attraction, and not the traits that nearly everyone prefers to hang out with, like being confident and chill?

wtknight · 2023-05-19T02:04:48+00:00

I don't think that there is some "magic formula" of pickup tactics that is going to work on every single woman. PUAs get rejected all the time still. So I don't agree that it is "formulaic".

But a guy just being more confident is going to make him more successful than when he wasn't confident, and that's what PUA does.

Any-Chipmunk5197 · 2023-05-19T08:44:35+00:00

Acting more confident, more chill, putting her down rather than up, being sexualy assertive and stuff.

Lol, one is definitely not like the others. You're wrong to associate confidence, chilness and assertiveness with PUA tactics. These are healthy traits to have and have nothing to do with PUAs and definitely not with putting anyone down. Or with being an asshole

Ecstatic-Status9352 · 2023-05-18T23:12:10+00:00

I wonder why I am not like other women. I wonder why I want the blue pill. Does that mean something is wrong w me if what other women want is not what I want ?

AbdelBoudria · 2023-05-18T23:34:58+00:00

I'd not say that PUA tactics don't work, but they aren't going to change your dating life if you're not attractive, to begin with.

JumboJetz · 2023-05-18T23:56:33+00:00

I’ve found far more success in NOT using PUA methods but hey, different strokes. I do think men should be wary of any PUA tactics that are harassing or immoral though.

puddingbike · 2023-05-19T05:13:50+00:00

CMV Disagreement

Some of your post might have some truth, but you're not the one to be making the argument.

You say:

I am tall, attractive, wealthy and socially confident...

Well, you're already checking quite a few boxes there. And, it doesn't sound like you're really using anything particularly involved from "PUA tactics." It simply sounds like you're being more aggressive. Shit, you don't need to study PUA to figure out that an aggressive sort of confidence is a prerequisite for this stuff.

Based upon your self-description, I have no confidence in generalizing your conclusions.

BunnyFlopped · 2023-05-19T05:55:45+00:00

People like confidence. 2 and 2.5 are you saying that you are confident.

1 and 3 unless stated directly could literally just give the perception that you are independent.

If you told women these sentiments directly they would not like you (probably). It’s the way you frame it because, as you mentioned before, you’re used to be kind that makes them interpret it as less cruel.

Women do not want to be treated horribly. I date both women and men. Every girlfriend I have had hates that. I fit into the same categories that you do as well (except for women), and I have never had a problem with people because I am confident and polite. Men also do respond in the same exact way.

Det_Steve_Sloan · 2023-05-19T08:21:47+00:00

As an ex-model...

I am tall, attractive, wealthy and socially confident, but I grew up with a blue pill mindset from childhood on. My success with women was very limited.

Being attractive and having shitty game does not really lead to limited success with women. They compromise, they don't care, if you're attractive and shy it's 'cute'. If you're attractive and too nice you're a 'catch'. So maybe you're not as attractive as you think.

I've been down and out, reserved, depressed, broke... I still had family members confronting me about alleged affairs (I wasn't, it was simply taken women hassling me).

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2023-05-19T01:13:58+00:00

So has any of this led to an emotionally supportive and fulfilling relationship or?

eefr · 2023-05-19T00:25:42+00:00

I absolutely agree that PUA tactics work on a sizeable proportion of women. Manipulating people works.

I just think that if you care more about getting laid than about the basic emotional well being of the people you date, you're a terrible person.

It's not who I am or what I want to be, but simultaneously, I have sexual needs that have to be met.

In other words, it is who you are, because for you, meeting your sexual needs at the expense of women's self-esteem is morally acceptable, and you keep doing it.

the-lone-squid · 2023-05-18T23:35:15+00:00

I am tall attractive and wealthy

So you're playing the game on rookie mode?

Yea, if you act like a mega weirdo you won't get much. Doesn't mean you have to be an ass ethier.

Just try being normal

Cobra_x30 · 2023-05-18T23:52:21+00:00

Pretty much everywhere else in the world it's not shocking that this stuff works. The fact is that we have allowed Feminists to lie to our faces all day long and anyone who challenges their lies gets knocked down.

The reason we chose the "Red Pill" term is because we are living in a feminist build matrix of lies and deceit... this false reality. It was a call to wake up and fight. But this was impossible because there is no brotherhood of men. The blue pill asshats refuse to make a change that benefits all because they think they can use their careers and feminist talking points to sleeze their way to the top. The prototype of success for all blue pillers is Harvey Weinstein and Matt Lauer types. They literally hit the peak of success and become crazy when the women still act like they are lame creeps.

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Zabadoodude · 2023-05-19T00:00:01+00:00

Sure. Flirting is a skill. You can learn to get better at it like anything else. Giving men some tips to point them in the right direction is good, but PUA does have pretty mediocre success rate:

Follow these rules, then talk to 1000's of women and you might get laid. Seems like you can skip the first step and have better results just by interacting with women and seeing what works for you and what doesn't.

WilliamWyattD · 2023-05-19T01:15:18+00:00

No idea why this is CMV. It's more about questions than the initial assertion.

Yes, superficial (though they run pretty deep) aspects of attraction are formulaic. Both men and women are attracted to strength in men since that is the male ideal. In general, being an asshole is attractive because it mimics (or even includes) aspects of being strong. With women, it is a bit more complex than that. There are inherent aspects of assholery that are somewhat attractive for more complex reasons.

That said, you can be more than sufficiently attractive to men and women by being a strong man the right way. It will also be a more real, sustainable attraction even if sexually it does not peak quite as high.

jackedsoon · 2023-05-19T02:39:09+00:00

Pua does not work. If youre not larping your results are due to your looks. Once you meet her threshhold what you say barely matters, just being confident and knowing how to socially interact is enough.

There is no such thing as magic words(game) or reading books to attract women that arent into you. You either have the looks or not.

medlabunicorn · 2023-05-19T02:49:29+00:00

Not all women want The same things🤷🏻‍♀️

satisfiedmind- · 2023-05-19T07:50:21+00:00

“putting her down rather than up, being sexually assertive and stuff”
What do you mean by “sexually assertive”? Putting her down isn’t something to be proud of? You’re essentially saying you’ve learned from YouTube how to sleep with women who have trauma. That’s not a flex. It’s low hanging fruit. The reason these women respond to your abuse is that you remind them of a past abuser which gives them a sense of familiarity.

obviousredflag · 2023-05-19T09:58:04+00:00

. My success with women was very limited.

What age are we talking here? When did you start following PUA and when did you become successful at getting to meaningful connections in romance?

2023-05-19T10:27:42+00:00

In my experience, "tactics" will only work if women are already attracted to you. You can both be an a-hole and a sweet mf-ing monk and both will work, IF you are attractive enough. From your description I recon you are. Maybe you now show more confidence because this approach might suit you. That's okay, but then it is just: you had the physical abilities all along, among with the financial and social security that comes along, but you didn't have the confidence yet.

Or as they would say in a fairy tale: ✨you had the heart all along✨

RedPill115 · 2023-05-19T12:34:51+00:00

Before we all get up in arms, I've actually noticed that some of these tactics work equally well on men for friendships.

The dynamic for both is that people often want to find others for doing things they aren't doing themselves.

They might look for people with skills they don't have, or they might look for people to take risks they don't want to take themselves.

My new approach is just being a fucking bad ass.

As a guy, I get one of two things:
1. I watch and learn you doing it successfully
2. You fail, and I learn the lesson to, without getting hurt

YveisGrey · 2023-05-19T12:44:07+00:00

Nobody really likes a doormat. This concept is very similar to the “why men marry bitches” concept. It’s not about being an asshole or a bitch it’s about not being a doormat/people pleaser. When someone acts like that they 1. Devalue themselves and 2. Come off as inauthentic

Maybe you have some people pleasing tendencies that you refer to as “your true self”. Lots of us have those but yea it made you look desperate which is unattractive.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2023-05-19T13:52:38+00:00

I am tall, attractive, wealthy and socially confident

But were you confident around women or were you purely platonic around them? You talk about becoming confident with PUA and becoming more relaxed and chill which indicates you weren't confident.

Generousity, kindness, being playful, deep conversation: these things NEVER led to any meaningful connection in romance. Nearly every relationship turned platonic.

Acting this way is needy and approval seeking. According to the mainstream this is called anxious attachment.

Acting more confident

Again this is mainstream advice.

more chill

I'm pretty relaxed, comfortable, your beauty does not phase me at all.

Often non-chill means anxious or fight or flight. From a mainstream perspective less anxiety will obviously get results.

putting her down rather than up

I thought PUA was about push pull not just putting her down all the time.

being sexually assertive and stuff

From a mainstream perspective being assertive is always better when they want the same thing too.

They also think I'm less creepy.

From a mainstream perspective being nice with this hidden sexual agenda is creepy. So being more honest and respecting consent is actually better.

You're not special I could leave for someone else better at any time

You're hot, special and important to me.

It sounds like you went from the extremes of needy to detached. There is a middle ground here.

I'm better than everyone else at everything, but I won't try to prove it

How about just be confident rather than narcissistic?

I am always the leader of the group

Leadership is suggested by the mainstream too.

Why is it that being an asshole gets me laid?

Do you really think assholes are acting like assholes around the women they are initially dating? No they are pretending to be nice. I've seen this many times.

I get regularly approached in the city and at the gym. And by that I mean once every other week. I also notice them noticing me.

Women approaching you is based purely on how you look through physical attractiveness, and body language showing confidence and looking approachable. Again mainstream stuff.

It appears most of what you are doing is applying mainstream social skills and psychology and calling it pua. I'm not sure you are always putting women down because of conflicting statements. If you are putting them down all this time its better to do push pull, and its even better to be authentic so push pull comes naturally, so we are back to mainstream advice.

The reason you are getting better results is before you were anxious, needy, and platonic and that sabotaged the interest you got from being physically attractive. When you stopped acting this way and applied mainstream advice you were no longer sabotaging the interest you were getting from your looks along with just playing the numbers. However you go overboard with being a dick which you are doing out of neediness. If you were just not a dick, authentic, and less needy you would do even better.

2023-05-19T14:16:43+00:00

just lol, what kind of youtube channel are you following?

4ktx · 2023-05-19T14:23:47+00:00

Nah man most dudes are ass kissers.

4ktx · 2023-05-19T14:28:16+00:00

Cause your game is trash

nemma88 · 2023-05-19T14:47:02+00:00

Do you now have a meaningful connection in romance? You mentioned as BP never being able to obtain this, but you don't follow this with PUA having obtained that either.

I've never found a asshole attractive, so the whole thing is pretty foreign to me, I certainly don't believe its required.

Yupperdoodledoo · 2023-05-19T16:11:22+00:00

I’ve dated two guys that tried negging (on the first date) and it was an immediate turn off and it ended there. Same with other women in my social group. If that works on a woman, she is not a healthy person.

PUA tactics work and prove that attraction is very formulaic

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