A wall of salty, but genuine questions. Answer all or none of them.
Are men somehow more psychologically resilient to the ego damage that results from being rejected? Do they possess some enzyme or neurotransmitters that dull the emotional pain of being turned down? If not, why are they expected to bare the burden of initating? Especially in the modern age where gender roles are being demolished by egalitarianism.
How does the ideal man handle rejection, and how did he come to be that way? To expand on the question. A man of perhaps 30, born in 1995. Lived through modern social changes, feminism, modernity, the erosion of gender roles, the rise of dating apps and hookup culture, social isolation and mass social media addiction, multiple economic collapses that made it nearly impossible for his generation to maintain any financial footing. Somehow, he manages to be an ideal 30 year old man in 2025. How? How was he raised? Was he brought up religious? Did he keep those values or replace them with the nebulous secular progressive modern mish-mash of modern cultural values that make up the average non religious person? What are his politics? Actually scratch that. If he's ideal to women he has to be a leftist as proven by many surveys. How did he come to settle on his political positions? What made him resist the pull of redpill maga influence that enraptures so many young men? What gives him his superhuman levels of security?
Resist saying he just has basic human empathy or he met a women before. Attempt to answer honestly.
What does he do for a living? As in what are some examples of an ideal man's job in the present economy? Labor jobs give you the ick, so how much does he earn and how did he come to gain that job? How did he manage to get hired over all the women who those types of jobs most likely are incentivised to prioritize?
What are his interests? How did he manage to dodge the many pitfalls that make most men undesirable like porn, videogames, redpill podcasts and liking alpha influencesr posts? How was he able to maintain robust social circles especially after 2020?
Do you think you can land him? Is he surrounded by female friends who also notice that he is miraculously ideal compared to the average man? What prevents him from playing the field and abandoning his instincts to sow his oats?
What compelled him to approach you and how did he learn to be so charming and socially adept when such a high ratio of young adults are socially stunted and neurotic?
Is this man even possible in 2025?
Feel free to answer all or none of these. The goal is to see if the ideal man can even really exist in the modern era or if he is pure fiction.
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