The Politics of Dating

leosandlattes · 2025-07-02T20:46:14+00:00

The red pill is not actually about socializing pussy. They accept that you either become desirable to women or get nothing.

This is analogous to bootstrapping your way into economic success (or failing) and operating within the confines of capitalism.

SteveSan82 · 2025-07-03T02:06:27+00:00

You clearly have no clue what the Red Pill is.

AllelWasHere · 2025-07-02T20:52:34+00:00

Why wouldn't you bother finding out what red pill ideology is before asking a question that requires basic understanding? That's some impressive laziness

DzejSiDi · 2025-07-02T21:51:33+00:00

I could be wrong here.

You're right here, you have no idea about redpill.

But for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship

...that's blackpill.

What I am questioning however is, it seems like most people who fit this view are far-right politically.

Yup, without digging deeper, there is a natural synergy between "do the work" attitude and right-leaning.

How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth gets hoarded by the top 1% (an actual literal metric as opposed to the fabricated "top 1% of men"), but have issues with it being unequal in the dating world?

During feudalism things looked similar, contrary to communism, where only 0.05% held some wealth, so now it's a bit better, but worse than after WWII. Anyway, indeed, sexual market is an example of deregulated, global, darwinian market, similar to what some lib-rights preache, where winners take all, but at least big brother is not meddling.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-07-03T06:46:45+00:00

I could be wrong here. But for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship

That is black pill.

Red pill is about understanding mating dynamics to be able to increase one's mate value if wanted, and attract higher value mates, or more mates, or mates for casual sex, or keeping mates attracted.

Red pill is very much about how to get the looks, get the body, get the status, get the whatever, that is helpful in mating. Red pill attracts men who don't have a relationship or access to sex, because of obvious reasons. But men who do have a relationship and casual sex are also interested in mating dynamics and the red pill.

What I am questioning however is, it seems like most people who fit this view are far-right politically.

Because far left rejects biology as a basis for human behavior or mating dynamics. They are social constructivists, nurture over nature, "blank slate" people. The idea that men and women are fundamentally different is toxic to them. They reject the science because it contradicts their ideology.

How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth gets hoarded by the top 1% (an actual literal metric as opposed to the fabricated "top 1% of men"), but have issues with it being unequal in the dating world?

The red pill has no issue with mating being unequal. It fully accepts it and offers information on how to become part of the male demographic who get more than others. Red pill does not want to equality in mating outcomes.

onlyaseeker · 2025-07-03T06:56:30+00:00

for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship.

Incorrect.

I am convinced that most people here who talk about the red pill don't actually know what it is.

What I am questioning however is, it seems like most people who fit this view are far-right politically.

Yes, though I'd like to see some objective research.

How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth gets hoarded by the top 1% (an actual literal metric as opposed to the fabricated "top 1% of men")

I don't.

but have issues with it being unequal in the dating world?

It stems from a worldview based on hierarchy.

For the record, I do not subscribe to this worldview. I would like there to be less or no hierarchy. I am not right wing. I don't subscribe to right wing solutions to what the red pill identifies about society.

Alone_Ambition_3729 · 2025-07-02T21:55:08+00:00

I think the redpill get's unfairly attached/confined to men who are seething mad about the whole thing.

I look at supply and demand in the dating world the same way as supply and demand in labor/industry. It can be brutal; some degree of human empathy and academic utilitarianism is a good thing, but ultimately our mental health stays better if the motivations that propelled us thru millions of years of evolution remain largely intact.

I'd also like to point out that the way you imply the redpill is doing some kind of hypocrisy also implies you're doing the same hypocrisy yourself but flipped. How do you defend body autonomy when you have issues with it in the economic world. Estate taxes to take some of the wealth from rich heirs who didnt earn it? Why not make attractive people have sex with the rest of us until they're looking at least a little bit run down? I'm joking obviously. I don't want to collectivize sex. But the reality is the way you perceive redpill and bluepill has BOTH of them acting hypocritically about collectivization vs autonomy.

FireFoxG · 2025-07-03T00:38:47+00:00

If I were to guess...

Women are 'marrying' the state... filling both the provider role and child rearing role(via primary school). Most of the jobs for women have been created by massive government spending and 'make work' regulations.

Without the safety nets, Actual capitalism would economically force most women in the west to confront reality to survive.

Ego73 · 2025-07-02T20:32:19+00:00

Who ever said I have issues with inequality in the dating world? All the red pill is about is accepting the responsibility to improve yourself and not giving in to the narrative.

I don't think easy access to sex has been that important of a driver for human achievement throughout history, but wouldn't that make hypergamy a force for good? To demand the unfit to be rewarded —whether in sex or otherwise— in the name of fairness is a massive insult.

OtPayOkerSmay · 2025-07-03T02:13:52+00:00

You're confusing red pill with black pill. Red pill posits that women like certain things, and a man can actively improve said things to become more successful. Black pill is the whole "it's over" from birth mindset.

LoudPiece6914 · 2025-07-03T07:32:06+00:00

I think you’re describing black pill ideology more than red pill. Red pill is more understanding female nature and adjusting accordingly. Some use this to make informed decisions in dating with a goal of finding a wife while others, unfortunately, use this to manipulate as many different women into sex.

While I’m not your target audience, being red pill and socialist. Most RP don’t believe a better way is possible, that we can be less individualistic and work together so that everyone can succeed. So the natural extension of that, if you understand female nature and don’t believe that we can collaborate in a more equitable system that benefits everyone in all aspects of life. (economically social more so than sexual.) The natural conclusion is that everyone should be paired. So we need a system where men are more economically viable than women because it’s bad for families if women can’t find a man they can look up to.

Ultimately, I think more people need to come to the conclusion that we are better together and the only group screwing over everyone else is billionaires.

Werevulvi · 2025-07-03T08:00:31+00:00

The red pill isn't about accepting being perpetually single due to shit genetics, that's black pill. The red pill is focusing on how the dating market works, and many red pillers believe in self-improvement to improve one's own sexual market value. Some red pillers hate that competition, but some embrace it as part of life, or as fuel to do better.

Being red pill doesn't necessarily mean you're far right, just because it's incompatible with the far left on dating and biology specifically. There are red pillers who are for abortion, for LGBT (may even be part of the LGBT themselves), have socialist views, etc. There are plenty of red pillers who are centrist or left-leaning, and plenty who are right wing. Just because red pill in itself is a conservative view (sort of) doesn't necessarily mean you have to be conservative in every other political opinion you have. Unlike gender, politics is indeed a spectrum.

However, since I'm personally in favor of capitalism (I'm center-right, fyi) I'll answer that question for you: the way I see it, capitalism is the most fair in regards equality of opportunity, which is a core value I have. Only in a capitalist society do you have the chance to become super wealthy, if you have the social and professional skills to work for that. If you work hard and have a lot of ambition, anyone has the potential to become rich. The government isn't gonna steal your money if you earn "too much" assuming you're not breaking any laws to obtain it. You're allowed to earn as much money as you want.

And even though I'm personally kinda poor and officially disabled, I like that this opportunity simply exists. Because I believe I can do better. But in a socialist society that doesn't reward good behaviour in regards to the job market and finances, that doesn't reward hard work, that would stifle my personal growth, and thus my happiness. Because the key to my happiness is being rewarded for my hard work and accoplishments.

The dating market is kinda similar. If you put enough effort in (in some cases requires extreme effort, yes) you have the chance to get a super attractive partner. No one is forcing you to only date other 4's if you're a 4 yourself, and no one is forcing you stay a 4. Again, I like having this freedom, that it simply exists as an opportunity, despite I'm a 4 who so far has only attracted below average men. Because I believe I can do better, be better, and reap the fruits of my labor. Become a 6 and then date 6'es. Because that'll feel like I actually earned it. I do not want that reward now, when I have not yet earned it. That wouldn't feel good.

That doesn't mean I love capitalism, or the struggles I have in dating. There are tons of negative sides to both, but what I do not want, in either regard, is a pity price. I do not want to be rewarded for my laziness or excused for my failures. I wanna be told "do better if you want better" because that's what's actually motivating me to continue being a better person overall. And yes, I do resent people who lack that ambition. Who want special treatment and equality of outcome because life handed them a few bad cards and they don't wanna work harder to make up for that. It's pathetic.

It's not just rich people who are in favor of capitalism, it's not just attractive people who are in favor of the dating market being competitive. Some people just like winning because they've actually earned it, regardless of where they started.

And yeah I think in general people who believe in hard work and being rewarded for effort are probably more likely to be both red pill and capitalist, although the two are only tangentally related. You don't have to believe in hard work and rewards for efforts to be red pill. Red pill is a view of how the world is, not a script for how you should feel about it or what you should do with that information. That's up to each person themselves to decide.

James_M_Croft · 2025-07-03T14:33:21+00:00

You are describing the black pill but calling the red pill. Here is the crux of the issue.

Trp is about self improvement. Including in wealth, looks, and behavior. It is about finding the best relationship possible with those around us, including women.

If you want people who makes excuses and refuse to become better... go look for socialists and black pills.

Amiskon2 · 2025-07-03T18:31:31+00:00

How do you defend capitalism, the economic system where wealth gets hoarded by the top 1% (an actual literal metric as opposed to the fabricated "top 1% of men"), but have issues with it being unequal in the dating world?

Socialism and Communism do not guarantee equality, and in fact they are worse because they kill mobility... you are born into the party or outside of it and there is very little chances to go up.

Widespread capitalism lifted from poverty more people than any other economic system in history. Absolute poverty is actually going down, and technological advances because capitalism have improved life substantially.

In fact, URSS, China and North Korea were/are very unequal.

StopTheIncels · 2025-07-02T21:32:24+00:00

You are describing black pill "born into it or its joever". The just world fallacy and 'just be yourself bro' and you'll be successful is what I have issues with.

Dating is extremely capitalistic for men, arguably worse. People (mostly women) would say it's not but then immediately enforce the capitalistic side on men.

Where's the quote again...oh yes: "Women are bleeding heart liberals, but when it comes to dating they are rugged capitalists"

ViolentShallot · 2025-07-02T20:35:52+00:00

Red pill doesn't have any problem with "inequality in the dating world".

It merely tells you how to get ahead.

Also, it's not capitalism what fucked up dating dynamics, it was the female sexual "liberation".

I do however like capitalism. Under it, the average American lives an order of magnitude better than the wealthiest king two centuries ago. We have more than halved the amount of people living under the poverty line worldwide in the past 20 years.

And... we are yet to find a system that yields better results in populations over 500.

Certified_Dripper · 2025-07-03T03:15:54+00:00

The red pill isn’t just about women. All the red pill is, is just an uncomfortable truth about reality that is more or less purposefully kept hidden/not acknowledge or ignored by society. the red pill is used for many things like are you red pilled on race, on gender, on politics, on sexuality, on economics, on religion, on culture, etc. The reason you get a lot of far right people who more or less like this shit is because in the end following these “uncomfortable truths” and peeling back layers upon layers of percieved lies tends to make people far right.

Now most guys don’t usually start getting red pilled with politics or economics or whatever else because you usually need to do a deep dive to get that shit. Most men’s first red pill is usually women, and that’s because every guy deals with a woman at some point in time and starts to look at the power dynamics between men and women in a relationship. Once you more or less become red pilled on women, it starts to branch onto the rest of the shit starts to follow and they start becoming red pilled in other areas as well. Hence the “far right pipeline” that everyone talks about on the left.

To add, about the red pill regarding women. Being red pilled on women isn’t just “damn these women are hypergamous as fuck”. It sprinkles in a lot of other shit like women’s preference for height because biologically women were hardwired to find height attractive in men and the reasons why they find it attractive. It’s things like the dark triad personality traits, and why women seem to be fucking obsessed with men that have these traits and date men with these traits or consume books where the main love interest of the girl is a guy with that type of personality. It’s shit that gets into things like race, and why women who are nonwhite seem to really like white guys for some reason and why you had for example the Oxford study meme, and how that opens a door onto how race can play a big factor into dating. It’s how women kind of go through a Flowers for Algernon type of arc. It’s also not even entirely men vs women, the red pill for dating also gets into men vs men and women vs women as they compete against each other. All of these are in and of themselves different aspects that overall are part of the same red pill.

As for wealth being hoarded by the top 1%, I’m gonna be honest I don’t think too many people truly are ok with the 99% living in unlivable conditions. If you do earn your spot in the 1% that’s fine. I think most understand that results are unequal based on birth/luck/work ethic. But most aren’t gonna want the 99% to be unable to afford to eat and shit either.

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MisterFunnyShoes · 2025-07-06T16:51:48+00:00

You’re wrong. TRP is about accepting reality as it is and providing the accurate prescription to get the results you want.

IgorXY · 2025-07-02T20:36:31+00:00

I am an anarchist. I support whatever speeds up the Ragnarök. One direction supports status quo, the other one is capable of ruining it. Scorched earth.

Title	The Politics of Dating
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