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Had a date with a gorgeous, Redpill textbook, wall approaching ex party girl. Admits to a 50 partner count.

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July 27, 2015

Summary: After riding the CC for a decade and leading a party lifestyle, date is ready to marry sooner then later. Off Birth Control. High partner count. Red Flags.

This post is going to be divided by a bit of game advice and also a field report from a recent date. Instead of creating two different posts I decided to combine them into one.

I've been doing the same routine that's been easy on me time and money wise and so far provides positive results. I have a bar about 15 minutes away from where I live. Its small, mostly quite. Its kinda out there, location wise. I always insist on this bar even if it's far from the girls. I start the entire interaction on the right foot as they will enter my frame and follow my lead. If they don't want to meet there I make it clear its that or nothing. I figure that if they are willing to make the effort and drive all the way here they are into me. I arrive five minutes early, order a double shot of whiskey and a nice draft beer. The date comes we grab a table and after the first beer and shallow introductions and conversation I tell her about the "questions game". There are three rules:

  1. You must answer truthfully or not at all.

  2. If you are uncomfortable with the question you can pass and get asked a different one.

  3. You cannot ask the other person the same question you've been asked yourself. (this last one is great, as you can ask her things that she won't be able to turn against you and also keeps the game moving and interesting).

It seems silly, but the thing is, it works. Instead of the early shit interview conversation, you get to really know the person and ask her "inappropriate" questions that now are totally cool because they are under the guise of a "game'.

After she finishes her first beer, and its my turn, I smile and ask, "do you want to keep it PG13?". They always always say no. Here is where the fun begins. My personal favorites are:

What is the strangest/coolest place you ever had sex at?

What is the worst/most embarrassing sexual experience you ever had?

What is your favorite sexual position?

What is your most depraved/wrong sexual fantasy?

Within twenty minutes tops she will get another drink and all of a sudden the energy in the air is sexual and lustful with big eyes and blushing answers. This is where you start to kino. Look at her earring and touch it and compliment on it. The same goes about a necklace or a ring she has. Next is the hair, nonchalantly touch it and make some observation. If she doesn't recoils and is down with it, you keep touching her hair until you literally pull her hair with a slightly tight grip close to her scalp. They really like it because it looks sweet and innocent but gets the tingles going speed light. You lean for the kiss and it goes well. You show you are in control and pull away first. Maybe sniff/touch/lightly kiss her ear. That's it. Then there is more kissing and there is 50% she will want to watch a movie at your place because, hey its so close to here, what are the odds. If not that night, you already kissed so next date sex has very high probability.

So I went on a date a few days ago with a beautiful woman. The Red Pill truths and clichés she kept spewing made me almost ask "can you repeat that?".

From all the online dating I've done so far, she is the prettiest one, by far. Thin, very nice body. Attractive face. Long beautiful black hair. At 28 she is a hard 8. In her early twenties definitely a soft 9. She came dressed very nice and a bit overdressed for the shit bar we are in.

Here are some highlights of our conversation.

Her kino. As a very attractive woman that used her sexuality as currency for more than a decade her own kino was like poetry in motion. Most guys kino, including myself, is clumsy, crude and unrefined. Her's was very subtle, arousing, and covert. She would lean her foot for a few seconds to touch yours. Would touch your body to make a point, leaving it just a micro second longer than necessary. Like a master that put 10,000 hours in his trade, she was a natural.

Admitted ex party girl. She was going to Cancun for many years starting before she was even eighteen. partying, drinking and "dancing on tables". Used to love heavy drinking. She is a very good dancer. She has found the light so to speak, and decided to calm down, go back to school and get married and have babies asap. A classic, CC in her twenties, approaching the wall and now ready to cash out with Billy Beta.

Longest relationship is six months. After fifty random dicks in various colors, shapes and lengths the longest relationship she could hold was half a year. She is going to get married without knowing how it feels being in a long term monogamous relationship with all its boredom and compromises.

No longer on birth control. The moment she is done with her CC, its time to get off birth control and start hunting for beta bucks online. A surprise pregnancy is a matter of time.

Previous boyfriend was a 58 year old wealthy man. She said they were together for two months. had sex only three times. She hated the sex, he couldn't get and stay hard. The only reason they split up is because she is wanting children and he has a vasectomy (I almost laughed when she said it, because I'm seriously contemplating to do one myself exactly for the same reason that dude did it. Not knocking up some random whore). Ready to settle with a wealthy secure man that she had unsatisfying sex with three times in a span of two months. Bails out when she realizes that dude shots blanks and won't reverse his vasectomy.

Admitted to 50 partner count. During our little question game I try to ask how many guys she has been with. Including blowjobs, handjobs and anal. (no hamster loopholes apply). 9/10 times they will pass this question, but my girl tonight, inspired by our chemistry and our apparent honesty actually answered.

Her: "haha, I don't know, I lost count"

Me: "well, is it 20 or 200?"

Her: "I guess about 50, is that too high?"

Admitted to fifty. According to various formulas it might be double or triple that figure.

Her next question was funny and shifted the dynamic of the conversation. At this stage, I kissed her a few times, we talked about sex, she thinks I am an excellent BB candidate.

She asks: "when was the last time you had sex?". She wants to gauge how successful I am in the SMP and also how desperate I am for her poon.

I answer: "two days ago".

Imagine taking a hamster and injecting it with anabolic steroids in potency and amount intended for an aging 400 pound gorilla. The entire dynamic changed. If before she was confident in her sexual appeal and power over me, now she knows she is just another girl that I can bang or not, while still having my balls emptied.

She says, confused: "ehh, do you have like, a fuck buddy?"

I grin, sigh and chuckle: "did you say a fuck buddy or fuck buddies?"

Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life.

She says: "more than one?!"

The thing is. I have two plates. Both are younger then hers. One is 21 and the other is 24. I already scheduled to meet with my main plate later this evening, after the date. I know for 100% I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who. This type of abundance cannot be faked. If you get laid on the reg, even a very attractive girl suddenly loses her leverage and value.

We briefly talk about my situation. She keeps using fuck buddies. I tell her its an ugly description. We date casually, I say. "do they know about each other?", she asks. "no, they don't. They just know that we aren't monogamous." She keeps using fuck buddies and trying to shame both them and me. Jeez lady, for someone that hopped on fifty dicks with very little commitment to show for it, you sure don't have the higher moral ground.

We kiss a bit more. We get a tab. I walk her to her car. We kiss a bit more and I leave. I don't think I'm going to peruse this further, because having protected sex with someone not on birth control and that professed their strong desire for children whilst showing a ton of red flags is a gamble i'm not willing to take, especially when younger, less sluttier, and BC protected poon is abundant.

I can see it already. She will find an aging, socially inept, out of shape CPA type. Will get knocked up by him in a month's time. The thing is, the CPA type will think he won the lottery, and truly if you wait long enough and don't give up you will find your beautiful and loving angel. Not knowing that his sweet little wife was getting railed in Cancun in exchange for some cheap shots of tequila. He'll understand and empathize with his sexually distant wife, understand that "she doesn't like blow jobs" that she is "not that type of a girl" whilst his wife is disgusted by this frail, desperate, naive shell of a man. There will be cheating, there will be a divorce, there will be decades worth of child support and alimony. He will do everything that The Blue Pill matrix taught him, leaving him in an emotional and financial ruin in exchange for a few years with a used up slut, past her youthful prime. Be happy and thankful, gentlemen. Without The Red Pill, you could have been that CPA type. I know that I could have been one, that's for sure.

Lessons Learned: Abundance mentality and plate spinning is crucial and cannot be faked.

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Title Had a date with a gorgeous, Redpill textbook, wall approaching ex party girl. Admits to a 50 partner count.
Author redparadigm
Upvotes 676
Comments 180
Date 27 July 2015 03:50 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/35027
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[–]cmiovino 241 points241 points [recovered] | Copy

Her: "I guess about 50, is that too high?"

My response: "Yeah, too high"

Her: "Ok then, how about 30?"


[–]ColdIceZero 39 points39 points [recovered] | Copy

Actually, I would like to know ways to respond to a female in this situation. Do you acknowledge the number? Do you ignore it and move on to another question/topic entirely? Do you explore the issue further?

Of course, I'm sure the response depends on your endgame. I'd just like to hear how a guy might address her count and how it relates to his endgame with her.

[–]waylandertheslayer 90 points90 points [recovered] | Copy

You want to make it seem like you don't judge her (even though privately, you do). Basically, if you come across as though you think the number doesn't matter, she's more likely to increase it - with you.

So you should say something like "I like women that know what they want" or "It's great that you're so modern about it" or something else that feeds the hamster by saying that you're fine with it, but also with a little bit of non-directness.

[–]TamingDebt144 points145 points  (1 child) | Copy

"It's great that you're so modern about it"

Hahahaha you speak Hamster fluently. Beautiful.

[–]the99percent118 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Spoken like a true Mach.

Conceal your intentions, and you shall get the truth.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's great that you're so modern about it

This is going to become my new backhanded compliment for women. This is the best thing that I've ever fucking heard, because, if we're living in their reality, it actually should be a compliment, right?

[–]BrunoOh7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

And then don't actually judge her for it. When she starts nagging for commitment, don't tell her "ur a slut gtfo", but "I'm not ready" or bullshit like that. Don't set off her asd for the next guy.

[–]waylandertheslayer10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, enjoy your turn then pass her along to the next guy in as good a shape as you can.

[–]DuncanMonroe4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love this attitude. No reason for a scorched earth policy, we're all in this together. As far as ravaging that pussy and leaving it a loose mess for the next guy, sorry, can't help you with that.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours17 points18 points  (8 children) | Copy

Take whatever she say x3, or better yet 3.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I know I've been responsible for propagating the x3 rule.

However, I honestly think that the higher the number they're willing to admit to the lower the multiplier you need to apply. A girl admits to 8 dudes... you can safely multiply that by 3 and come to the conclusion she's had 24 dicks. If she admits to 50 dicks then you probably only need to use a x2 multiplier and she's probably had 100 dicks... If she's said she's had 250 dicks well at that point do we really need to use the multiplier system that's way too much dick.

[–]NidStyles3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she tell's me she's had 250 dicks I'm googling her name to find the video.

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she says she's had 250 dicks you're probably talking to Sasha Grey.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just add 1531 to the number bro...

[–]onepill_twopill16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

nah, add 1776.


[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Might be a tad high for some, but I know a couple who could be there.

[–]Hatorader1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's at least 150 probably higher. Holy fuck.

[–]newls10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Act like you're not really bothered by it, maybe even outwardly say that it doesn't matter all that much. She might feel compelled to give her count, she might not.

Girls are very aware that a low partner count heightens their SMV, but most will never admit it.

Obviously a high partner count has a profoundly damaging effect on a woman's psyche and LTR suitability. But what do you gain from telling her that? She then associates you with judging and negativity.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or don't act. Simply don't be bothered.

Imagine you go to a car rental place. Now normally, you can afford to hire some family Honda, but today, today the sales guy pulls back the curtain on a 3 year old mazarati, which he's offering for less than the Honda. Sure, there's dings in the fender, and questionable stains on the seats, but fuck, you're not actually buying it, and it's a fukken mazarati.

Have your fun, do some doughnuts and race at the lights. Just don't buy out the lease, and don't let the cum stains detract from the fun too much.

[–]trpdownunder2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just say "respect..." with raised eyebrows. It's a definitive enough gesture that it counts as some sort of answer but she never really knows whether or not you think she's a slut. Of-course, it is important to remember that she is always a slut.

[–]pcadrian 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Lie and tell her it doesn't bother you. You don't want her to smarten up and lie to the next guy.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone else here is saying to act.

For a plate? Doesn't matter. Why should it? Go get an STI test, come back when you're done and we'll have a night. shrug

If you are looking for an LTR, that's a disappointment. Be honest about it. Informing her that you figure that puts a wrench in things means she can honestly face it.

If it's not the end of the world, but still a thing, then make sure that's clear too. She'll be brought to bargain, sacrifice a few things, and may be more conscientious of some of her own behaviours that can help her be a better LTR. Things like actually trying to stick it out when something doesn't go easy, and keeping you updated at the right levels and about the right things.

If it is a show-stopper, telling her that will help her. Whether it helps the next guy? Probably not, since she'll just lie about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When a girl told me it was 36 I acted all relieved and was like "whew that's a relief, from the sounds of it I imagined it was more like 200"

She felt good it was only in the 30's and I gave her a strange back handed compliment. Her hamster: so does he think I look/act like a whore or that I'm so pretty it could be in the 200s?

[–]199639-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

It depends on what your endgame really is. I don't care because I assume any woman I'm pursuing (attractive, willing to bang after just barely meeting me) has fucked plenty of guys before me. I wouldn't ask that sort of question and honestly any attractive woman who casually dates (a few fuck buddies in social circles, a few fuck buddies on tinder, etc.) is probably fucking 2-3 guys at a time anyway. They probably don't even know their number, after a while you lose count. If you have some personal prohibition against a high partner count then I guess you could just make an excuse and end the date early, but if that's how you roll I'd say you will only meet your ideal woman on Christian Mingle or some shit and you're wasting your time in any bar, party, or tinder/online.

Otherwise, the same advice as always applies. Be funny, be sexually forward. Don't shame her for the number, you're only going to encourage her to throw up LMR/ASD.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've tried to write them all down, get a different number every time. I have to think of what car I was driving at the time to get an idea of them. I remember all kinds of shit from decades ago, but damned if I can remember every bitch I've fucked. At least Korea is easy, two over there, two in the states. Longest dry spell since the 80s.

Anyway, if I can't remember 100 girls with a very good memory, there is no way a girl can unless shes fat, ugly, or a religious nut....especially at my age.

[–]1grendalor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


I mean, this is just for sex, so it really doesn't matter what her count is. And in 2015 any woman who is attractive, and doesn't have hangups about sex, has a very high count anyway -- we all know that. It's irrelevant -- she's just a plate, and higher count women do sex better for the most part anyway, so it's all good.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Just tell me what to sayyyyyy..."

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal422 points423 points  (28 children) | Copy

Don't worry, r/ sex and r/ relationships will there to tell her future husband it is all his fault when his wife is sexually bored and does not bother having sex with him after the kid shows up. Later, he will make Facebook posts declaring his love for his wife, before there is an eventual divorce.

The guy will start to clue in when he sees his alimony and child support payments go towards paying off some paroled, tatted-up bad boy's Harley, when that guy moves into his old house with his ex, and the kid(s). Kids will be dumbstruck at the changes, but they will try to pretend everything's okay, because mom demands it. The stress level in the house will be through the roof, as mom pretends she is happy, the kids live in dread of making the new boyfriend mad, boyfriend treats ex and kids like crap, and dad gets to eat ramen so he can pay for his ex wife's new sexual mistakes.

Welcome to Marriage 2.0, young men. Now, who wants to risk that outcome? Sign right up!

[–]En_sigma83 points84 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've been married over 20 years (to the snowiest snowflake that ever flaked snow!!) but this is the version I give my son. Don't do, son, I know WE did it, but things are different now.

[–]1RedPillJax7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sage advice.

Just because you did it well, doesn't mean the same rules apply.

Kudos for 20 years so far, and keep raising your son to be a man.

[–]billcosbyeatsbabies0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking eh, you nailed the long run buddy. Good on you for gathering your son properly

[–]RPthrowaway12384 points85 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ouch. That's so accurate it hurts.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

doesnt matter had mediocre sex for a bit... right?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or if she's anything like my mother, reap the money your father stored for your college savings and spend it on wine, pills, and vacations for her, the new boyfriend and his kids and not inviting her own biological kids.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dont forget that MOST of these chumps never learn and REMARRY.

[–]LionLaw10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

So what you're saying is.... We should all strive to be the new boyfriend with the Harley?
Ok, I gotchu

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (6 children) | Copy

Nah, no point in dating/moving in with a single mother.

[–]LionLaw29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

Idk, having some beta pay off my bike while I pound his ex wife sounds pretty good.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

To each his own.

I don't want kids, no point being around or dealing with kids that aren't mine. I'd rather look towards women without the stretch marks or time restraints.

Plus, she has a track record of hooking men into this crap... I'll pass on that alone. One, I don't support that behavior and two, no matter how smart you are, someone else is better than you. I'd rather bypass this additional risk of taking on the seasoned professional.

[–]LionLaw3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Id bail at the hint of danger lol, but best to exploit a person whose exploiting another anyway

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Risk takers will get caught more often than those who avoid them.

If I saw some major loss on my end avoiding these women, I'd reconsider. But in this case, I'd actually prefer to avoid this woman even if there no risk. It's a simple opportunity cost of a higher quality woman elsewhere.

[–]NightGod1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

20 minute trip to the urologist can ensure that you never fall into that same trap...

[–]RP_Student4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're 90% right except for the part about it NOT being the beta's fault.

It 100% is his fault for buying into an idea (sex and loyalty in exchange for duty and provision) that is so clearly no longer true. Its also his fault for NOT being the kind of guy that excites women, almost any guy can be such a guy if he expends his effort in the right channels.

[–]ProductivityMonster3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

yes, courts can't enforce sex and loyalty, only provision (and unequally at that).

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

And a guy who fits the image can fail at it because he loses his edge over time.

[–]Tom_The_Human4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thing is, it would be his fault; he fell for a beta seeking ho.

[–]rossiFan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think that could be any more concise than it was. Great wordsmithing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So fucking accurate it's actually causing me physical pain.

[–]guest121[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You forgot to mention in between the r/ relationships post and the divorce, there will be a r/ deadbedrooms post where he will be encouraged to do more chores. Because she is tired, and that's why she doesn't want sex.

[–]pantsoffire4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yuck. A while ago I would of laughed at that truth. Now it's just- pitiful.

[–]king_of_red_alphas146 points147 points  (1 child) | Copy

That line about "I already know I'm getting laid tonight. The question is with who." is beautiful and the ultimate pressure relief / abundance in action.

Ironically, this is precisely how any 4+ woman feels any night of the week she goes out and is feeling horny.

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points  (9 children) | Copy

If she was a party girl and is approaching the wall then her partner count is at least in the 100+

[–]fjhlacrosse 191 points191 points [recovered] | Copy

"If her pussy got over 10 body counts, It's dead💀. Pussies🐱 only got 9 lives" ---wise negro proverb

[–]Hoodwink 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy

Is this actually said or did you just make it up? I can almost believe it being said and passed down.

[–]the_number_261 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, he gave her a range of 20 to 200, so to her he must think 20 is a really low number. Okay, don't want to sound prude. He thinks 200 is high... shit, if only he knew my REAL number. I'll say something low to seem normal but not too low to seem prude or undesirable.


[–]anecdotal25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

She said she was partying before 18, and she's what (did the OP say?) 28 ish? That's 120 months of party life. Even if she had one new partner a month, that's 120. Probably closer to 200, but she dated an older man for money which shows her hypergamy may contain a little pragmatism.

Regardless, lol. I don't see how any self-respecting man could sign a contract with someone like that.

[–]1RedPillJax2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always hard to fault a woman for pragmatism, but she'd have to be a perfect 10 to get me in there after Donald Trump.

[–]rossiFan6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, for cheating bitches, there is the 20% rule, and it's been verified many times. If they say they've been with 2 guys, it's 10. I wonder if it's the same for party girls. So, more like 250? If she was passed out drunk in Cancun at 18 (or rohypnols), many trains have been run on her, I promise.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shit yeah, that's only 10 guys per year; not even 1 a month.

[–]grewapair60 points61 points  (2 children) | Copy

I probably know a half dozen women like the end result you forecasted for this one. HB8, well above average, suddenly stops dating good looking losers and settles down with the most boring , slightly chubby guy on the planet. The guy thinks he's hit the jackpot. Little does he know that he's the jackpot, and he's about to be hit.

Three kids later, and when the youngest is a year or two past Kindergarten, and thus, in school for most of the day, the hardworking guy gets hit with divorce and can't figure out what happened.

The woman gets the kids, the car and the house, and sufficient payments to keep her life going while working minimally for the next ten years while she returns to the CC.

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or what my buddy heard during tea time:

Succubus: "I just stop having sex with my ex-hubby, start getting side-dick, and when he is so desperate for sex. He end up cheating on me with his secretary. I guilt trip him during the divorce process, so I end up with the house, the kids, and tons of money and free time for afternoon teat at these type of places all in less than 5 years!!!"

Friends: "Did you get a lot of money from the divorce?"

Succubus:"(Laughs) He had to surrender his monthly salary before we married, and he only had allowance to spend."

Mind you: This is in Asia, so that blue-pilled buddy is retelling the story like it's nightmare on the Elm street.

[–]2popthatpill33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

She keeps using fuck buddies and trying to shame both them and me. Jeez lady, for someone that hopped on fifty dicks with very little commitment to show for it, you sure don't have the higher moral ground.

Guffaw. Women are shameless like this.

[–]tjc145034 points35 points  (5 children) | Copy

Girlspeak: every 4 partners = 7 partners

Work at a rather nice Country Club. You just described about 1/2 of the younger wives here. Can't understand why guys 'buy' rather than 'lease' these types.

[–]newls44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

If it floats, flies, or fucks, it's cheaper to rent.

[–]tossabily11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

For all the wealth some of these guys seem to have they sure do have a bad habbit of investing in something which will only depreciate with time.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Soak up that knowledge and continue to share.

[–]doritoesNcoffee3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Multiply their partner count by 3 to be even more accurate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I worked at an extremely upscale country club. The women were reserved, beautiful, well dressed, and for the most part within 5 years of their partners age. However, it's not like I would even know if any of them were shitty, though I would say that the younger ones there did generally have a lot of kids. Like 3-5.

[–]1Dark-Ulfberht31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of truth in your story, there. But I fixed one thing for you:

Will get knocked up by someone and will be financially supported by him in a month's time.

We need to stay realistic and grounded here.

[–]1Zanford28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy

Sounds like the end of the date went south? You phrase it as if it was you dodging a bullet (which is true, and is the right abundance mentality) but I'm also getting the impression that the date devolved into an argument over your fuck buddies (aka you didn't keep things light and fun amidst her shit tests) and she stomped off.

Sounds like you kind of blew it to be honest and are glossing over the details. That said, your attitude of 'her loss' is the right attitude to have, whatever the reality, and it's probably just as well you didn't score given her high pregnancy and STD risks.

Even when you decide you don't want the bang, you should try to leave HER wanting it, as it's good practice for your game, and will help your abundnace mentality with your next date and your plates.

Also, about your logistics game - sounds like the place required driving for both of you, or at least you if you were taking her home, but you were drinking heavily?

[–]redparadigm[S] 12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

No argument. It was more teasing. I was not apologetic about my arrangements.

Also we walked to her car afterwards and kept kissing so it didn't end on a sour note.

I do think that she understood that I won't commit nor BB her so it's either NSA sex or nothing. I think she's done with AF for now at least and is in full BB search mission.

[–]RedHeimdall5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think she's done with AF for now at least and is in full BB search mission.

Yeah see this is what I was thinking, so when you said "two days ago" and "multiple fuck buddies" I thought nooooooo bad move if you want to bone her. In situations like this I would always undersell my sexual situation ("it's been a while... maybe a month or so") and let them continue thinking I might be a BB possibility. Then again, if you didn't care you didn't care.

[–]dr_sust-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

What does AF mean in this context?

[–]CorsairZero 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

BB Beta-Bucks AF Alpha-Fucks

Women fuck alpha males and use beta males for resources.

"Billy Beta" used in the OP's post was another way of saying "Beta Bucks."

[–]dr_sust4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ahhh, gotcha I totally spaced. I knew what BB meant, AF confused me because I read it as "as fuck".

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

"About 50" I guess she lost count?

So apply the Rule of Three and factor in she's had an STD.

[–]ShitfacedBatman 39 points39 points [recovered] | Copy

Women sometimes admit to high partner count and crazy boyfriends the same way that men might talk about smoking, drinking, or eating greasy food.

It's an admission that they're having trouble, they don't understand men, and, for whatever reason their messed-up-ness is like a merit badge or sign of "cool" amongst the female gender. It says, "I've put up with some real shit." I believe this is why sometimes a woman's troubles are the first thing they tell you about. Sometimes it looks like they can't wait to tell you. As far as they're concerned, they're telling you they're a badass blues guitarist with street cred - as if they've earned and deserve a high value male. But to males, it has the opposite effect and comes up as red flags.

Women don't want their high partner count any more than a man wants his regular visit to the bar... Lol, which means they kind of don't mind their high partner count any more than a man minds his bar tab. Cognitive dissonance.

If you drink, then as an exercise try lying about it or exaggerating how little you drink.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't get what you're saying. Alcohol lowers a man's SMV?

[–]tallwheel8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, it's fine to tell a woman you smoke, drink, and eat greasy food. Might even raise your SMV. What you don't want to show are the negative results from it. What she really wants is a thin healthy guy who shows invincibility to all of those things.

[–]braking_point1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is truth. Woman saw me eat like a monster, and said I'm so jealous of you. A couple of months later with a bigger tummy, my smv dropped like a rock.

[–]BetterRedThanRed17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her: "haha, I don't know, I lost count"

Me: "well, is it 20 or 200?"

Her: "I guess about 50, is that too high?"

If you had said "well, is it 50 or 500?" she would give you a umber between 50 and 500.

"I guess about 100, is that too high?"

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't think I'm going to peruse this further, because having protected sex with someone not on birth control and that professed their strong desire for children whilst showing a ton of red flags is a gamble i'm not willing to take, especially when younger, less sluttier, and BC protected poon is abundant.

I am glad to hear this. A lot of dudes (at least 50 of them lol) would take the gamble, and one of those poor bastards will lose.... bad.

When will we get to control our own reproductive rights? When is male birth control going to be an option.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy

How old are you man? You gota be close to 30 no? If so how the f do you plate a 21 year old? Those kids are fucking insufferable.

[–]TheyHaveToGo2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

You can plate a 21 year old at 30 without knowing anything about her pop culture. Just be strong, straightforward, and confident. Those traits are rare in their cohort so you will appear to be even more alpha than the most alpha man her age.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've been told that I am way too old by those chicks. And I'm 27!

[–]TheyHaveToGo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah man you aren't too old at all. Just root yourself in your masculine traits and girls that age will be attracted because it is something different and unique that is also what they crave. Keep it up and you will be fine. I had three 22 and under plates in the past year until I entered my most recent LTR. You will do well.

[–]Burner1701-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

My 49 year old brother recently dated a 21 year old, fell in love with her, wanted to marry her, then she smashed his heart into tiny little pieces and went immediately back to her abusive and shitty young ex.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What'd you think was gonna happen?

[–]Burner17010 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Me? I thought she would break his heart. Her parents were dead against him and he still doesn't understand why. That was 2 or 3 "girlfriends" ago though, and who knows how many hookups, but he is still mooning over her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even the best of us falter. Your brother's cool.

[–]Burner17010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Me? I thought she would break his heart. Her parents were dead against him and he still doesn't understand why. That was 2 or 3 "girlfriends" ago though, and who knows how many hookups, but he is still mooning over her.

[–]slutnip2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I plate 18-21 year olds, and I am 33 get a new one every weekend, I have yet to find one I like more than a weekend but there are amazing ones out there, full of energy and sass. Next the insufferable ones and keep looking

I wouldnt date a girl over 25 unless she was cool as shit. They seem to lose their spunk/zeal and have nothing left when they hit this age and you can watch them start to Kaboom into heffers

[–]RojoEscarlata0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

PFF what? if you are into your late 20's and 30's you should plate ELUSIVELY 18-22 y.o. tops.

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

I remember when I first became a physician and posted a pic of myself on social media with a whitecoat and stethoscope on.

I got bombed on by ONLY 28-29 YEAR OLDS

Good times.

[–]epixs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bet you get bombed on by all the nurses as well.

[–]FrameWalker7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Are you so upfront with all girls? I dabbled with laying it out explicitly and communicating strongly. Always lead to resentment., even though they were seeing other guys at the same time. I wait for them to bring it up and i deflect for many months first.

[–]redparadigm[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, I'm trying to be honest. I know that a lot of girls won't accept this arrangement but I am fine with that. With certain girls it activates constant dread and a huge preselction tingle fest. "If other girls are fine with that arrangement, I bet this guy is something special and worth a try".

The key is to be subtle about it and not rub their face in it. Never mention other girls. Just be clear at all times that your are not monogamous.

[–]sabinmightyfist11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Really great post. Junior accounting student though and the CPA comment is right on point. Most CPAs are extremely overweight and socially retarded.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Same with engineers too. Really most high paid professions.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe flogging some dead horses but a thoroughly well put together post. It's been too long since I read one.

[–]rossiFan6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

did you say a fuck buddy or fuck buddies?

Fucking classic comeback, dude. Nice thinking on your feet.

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[–]BramRhodesDouglas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's exactly how I felt. I go to a pretty conservative southern university and there are plenty of chicks I know who bang a different dude every week and sometimes even more. It's crazy how high these chicks' number count is.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If it flies, floats or fucks, it's cheaper to rent." - Rev. Lawrence Shannon

[–]urmomsacct5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

CPA type checking in. This man speaks the truth. FML

[–]puppy20100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What does CPA mean?

CPA is an accounting qualification (which i'm studying towards) but I don't think it means that in a redpill sense.

[–]urmomsacct3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, it means accountant. He just means a safe, hardworking sucker. No offense to accounting, it is a great profession.

[–]ericatx2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are a lot of CC riding women like this out there who are smarter that this chick was at hiding their real intentions. In vino veritas worked in your favor man. Good post.

[–]FaustoRMD3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life." Fucking lol

[–]Burner17011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, she found out you are casually screwing two other girls and so lost interest in you. Isn't that exactly what she should be doing? If she had continued to throw herself at you she would have fit the mold but she didn't.

[–]chadchadington3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"The thing is. I have two plates. Both are younger then hers. One is 21 and the other is 24. I already scheduled to meet with my main plate later this evening, after the date. I know for 100% I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who."

You sir, have gained 'Baller' status. Bravo.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

50 means 500. always add a zero

[–]mrmeyhemn4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

she admitted to 50, we all know the rule, double or triple that. aaaand you kissed her.....wtf man.

[–]mryddlin43 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy

'She was never yours, it was just your turn'

Remember that phrase and come to terms with it, it applies to all of them.

[–]mrmeyhemn10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

oh i get it, i just don't want to be the guy that gets his turn at 150...

[–]mryddlin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

totally fair, high partner count suggest many things that are ultimately going to be negative.

If you're out to slam pussy then just make sure you dome up and wash up right afterward. Keep an eye out for the safety red flags (doesn't insist on condom, pussy smells like dead fish, gets awkward over the STI testing questions, etc)

Smart CC riders take care of their pussy health, they know it's their main asset. It's the fucking dumb ones you have to be careful of, low hanging fruit is easy to pick but goes bad the fastest.

The lower the fruit, the faster the rot.

[–]TechnoRaptor-4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy

i dont think it applies to realistic numbers. if she said like 6 i would say okay 12?

[–]Purecorrupt6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say 50+ is realistic if they admit to being a "party girl" and procrastinate stuff like school until they are 28 with the inclusion of being a soft 9 or solid 8.

[–]docbloodmoney-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

realistic numbers for who, a 16 year old? Any 28 year old 8/10 will be in triple digits for sure

[–]TechnoRaptor3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

triple digits? you think thats commmon ?

[–]Drogoe 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

No, it's extremely uncommon, despite what you might hear around here.

[–]flightmac1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I loved this post. Sometimes this sub gets a bit over the top with theory, I found this to be a treat to read. The truths you spoke were spot on and I learned a great deal in a short read. Thank you for your time

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solid post, well written, great mix of theory, FR and advice. This is what I come here for. Thanks.

[–]RojoEscarlata1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sex is so incredibly available for the "average good looking woman", and add that to the insatiable sexual nature of women and you have a pretty crude reality of sex that even most RP men don't see.

OP, if that girl "admitted" to a 50 partner count, she is well deep in to the triple digits.

[–]RedPillscientist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Now the already over excited hamster can no longer contain itself and starts spinning so fast that its tiny wheel is jetted above the atmosphere, shooting to explore other planets that may support hamster life."

Lol great touch with the recent discovery of Kepler 452. Very much enjoyed this little gem.

[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You guys are actually doing the multiplying?

You do realize we are talking about partner count, right?

so random fling/ONS/drunk blackout/ don't count.

Now add those random encounters into the final count.....

And OP kiss her multiple time through out the date?

[–]1nowboarding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a bar about 15 minutes away from where I live. Its small, mostly quite. Its kinda out there, location wise. I always insist on this bar even if it's far from the girls. I start the entire interaction on the right foot as they will enter my frame and follow my lead. If they don't want to meet there I make it clear its that or nothing. I figure that if they are willing to make the effort and drive all the way here they are into me

Great! Would you mind sharing an example of a text interaction where the girl is initially hesitant to come out that far and of how you insist, leading her to agree? I find that I cave in too easily to meeting somewhere closer to her or sound pushy/needy when girls don't agree to this, while you've found the middle ground.

[–]hirjd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Woman fantasy is to tame the womanizer beast. If you aren't a womanizer she can't tame you. She has to believe. Good job dude.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Kinda late but OP, one thing I will steal from you is when she asked when the last time you had sex was. I will give the same answer as you from now.

[–]Kaitohi-4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Your question game sounds like something 13 year olds play

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

The younger and sillier you act the more they eat it up. What do you think gaming a girl is? Having long drawn out discussions about historical trends? Act like an overgrown kindergartener that dgaf and you'll be golden.

[–]BramRhodesDouglas3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude big kid game gets me laid constantly in my little college town. It helps women feel safe and like they're having lots of fun.

[–]1independentmale22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women eat that shit up. Look at any women's magazine, they're full of lame games and surveys that teenagers would play. Yet adult women buy these magazines every day.

There's a reason we call women "the most responsible teenagers in the house."

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

ah the all too prevalent shaming of men's game. The questions game has been in the community for years now and is great.

[–]NiceTryDisaster7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The question game is one of the strongest tricks in my game

[–]pillpapa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree! Sounds like a perfect game to play with the most resposible teenager in the room!

[–]Lhtfoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post is all that is man... This is text-book work, my friend. Coupled with a remarkable analysis! You are on top of your game buddy! You just basically told a hard 8 to fuck off... because you KNOW you're better than that! This is a victory for all us Red-Pillers... Bravo motherfucker! Bravo!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

50? Yeah fucking right. It's far more than that if she's relatively attractive.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The last paragraph wasn't exactly necessary, was it?

[–]Kid_Crimson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid post Op! Good detail and nice actionable tips with the question game bit description.

[–]tdh4u0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep in mind the slut filter when even a girl trying to be honest tells you her number. They often don't count the ones they are ashamed of or were just ONS. When I was full blue pill last year, I was orbiting a girl, full wall, recently divorced and just turned 30 and we talked and texted all day everyday. She would tell me who and when she was dating and so would I. Although, I was secretly hoping she would end up picking me, but that's a different story. Anyways, her number was 3, the guy she married as a virgin and then 2 guys post divorce. I knew she had sex with a fourth guy she met a few months earlier at a golf driving range. They met, went out a few nights later and they had sex. She never heard from him again. In a random conversation, she mentions her number was 3 and I reminded her of the golf guy she hooked up a few months earlier. Her response was, "oh yeah, that guy". So sometimes women just don't count every guy. Especially when it didn't mean anything.

[–]TheyHaveToGo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like the energy but I think the guise of a "game", is unnecessary to turn her on and data mine. It worked but it just isn't my style but I may just be a cranky olde. Keep up the good work.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

From my experience all women have had sex with a prime number of people.

[–]Burner1701-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

My wife's number was zero before me, no prime there.

[–]GoldPisseR3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lucky fuck.

Most guys can only dream of marrying a virgin now.

She didn't suck any dick before right?

[–]Burner17010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hi, nope. She's tall, the kind of tall that makes some girls shy and nerdy. She was in a nerdy awkward girl group in highschool to judge by her old friends, then her uni friends are mostly religious (though she is an atheist). Then she met me. Frankly I think the fact that she has never been a drinker is a big factor.

[–]Sherlock--Holmes-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy


But is that midlife crisis coming up? Just curious what you are doing on redpill?

[–]Burner17011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ha, no I'll get another new car and keep the sweet wife.
I've been a redditor for a while, on another account. The redpill interests me intellectually, though I'm far from agreeing with it all. I'm 46 so older than a lot of users here, and have had a very different life experience from the redpill ideal. Marriage has worked for me and the more I read here the more I realise how lucky I am with my wife. Her brother is a natural alpha with a long history of relationships, one nighters, affairs, dating younger women, hell he is 49 and his girlfriend for a while last year was 21, but he is depressed and all he wants is to find a partner for life, actually a wife. I find it all interesting. Some of the young hotheads are idiotic of course but there are morons on all subs.

[–]asianmasaccount0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude this is a really good field report.

Although maybe I'm just bias cuz I also had s cozy nice little neighborhood bar I took most girls too.

My approach wasn't as smooth as your "questions game" thing though, but was workable. Your shits genius.

[–]franklyforthright-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I can't wait for four years from now when all the women my age start hitting the wall! I'll be still climbing and they'll all turn to dust

[–]VancouverSucks3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm. Witnessing it as an speak. It's awesome.

[–]Garathon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Man, that sounds pathetic. Work on improving yourself instead.

[–]franklyforthright0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll still be climbing / I'll still be improving

[–]1cover20-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

To me the PIV penetration count is important. Only that causes the woman's body to release oxytocin to bond her to a man. Those are the guys she might fantasize about. Those are the guys who injected their DNA. (Does swallowing cum have the same effect of DNA transfer? I would assume not since it goes thru the digestive system, and we don't absorb DNA when we eat a steak do we?)

It was good to probe alternative forms of sex she may have had, but I would want to have the PIV only total broken out too.

Why is it impossible to fake abundance? Fake it til you make it is a great rule of game. If you're not desperate it should be doable. Whereas if you're desperate it's hard to act as if you're not.

[–]redparadigm[S] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Faking abundance is hard. If you haven't gotten laid in two months and an attractive girl is touching you and there is the real possibility of getting laid your frame is weak and you'll likely will jump through a lot of hoops that you would ordinarily not.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why it is important to cultivate real, life long abundance by going out a lot and seducing a lot of women. And when you're rejected, moving on to a new one immediately. That takes time and it takes effort and it isn't easy.

But when you've done the seduction process enough, when you know you can get with girls of at least moderate attractiveness without much effort anymore, even not fucking someone for months isn't really an issue (though arguably you'd only experience that in self-imposed situations, like monk mode).

[–]JumpXVI0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Eh, I landed one LTR after not having gotten laid for over a year (graduated in a LDR and a shitty job market). The frame you should really be projecting is one that doesn't place that pussy on a pedestal.

I had her (new girl not LDR girl) in bed within three dates, after swatting away the "I have to know the guy is into me" shit test and the "my third HPV dose is in three months I shouldn't have sex until then" shit test that was evidently only slightly less subjective. I just didn't care how fast I got into her pants.

I may be more "relationship" oriented than "plate spinning" oriented, and it is honestly very powerful to be able to say/think "I'm going to get laid tonight, the question is by who". Not being able to claim that shouldn't sway your frame, though.

[–]WishfulTraveler0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What did you say to each shit test?

[–]JumpXVI0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Basically, I said "Oh. Okay." To both. That's it. They both came at the same time as a literal numbered "list". I'd call it LMR (last minute resistance), but like I said, I wasn't interested in sealing the deal asap for some +1 notch count.

We were being intimate, but I wasn't escalating aggresively, so she wasn't "resisting" as much as she was checking her own desire to fuck. And then hamstering it away the next date when I similarly did not aggresively escalate.

We were fooling around again, and she literally said out loud unprompted: "...well...that first point I brought up...I don't think that's a problem...and I was looking up online earlier about the HPV thing, and one site said it's actually okay to have sex...so..."

So yeah. Without me fixating on boning her, she literally looked for reasons to fuck me, and soon enough we were fucking up to 5-6 times a week. "Sweet humblebrag bro" and all, lol, but I think this is a really crucial takeaway.

[–]loin_fruit-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

So many red flags. I find it fascinating when women finally tell the truth about their partner count. Most women especially feminists, will complain about how it's ok to be a slut and how it's absolutely fine to sleep around, yet you ask them their count and they lie.

[–]CorsairZero 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

Look up cognitive dissonance.

[–]loin_fruit-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I know about the term. Thanks though.

[–]iamz3ro-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would like a follow up on this OP. No doubt she will contact you tomorrow or some time soon.

[–]NotRAClST2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

too late, she's already spread the herpes to you, bro.

[–]oddMahnsta-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yikes calling out an entire profession has never been so harsh. some young bright cpa bound redpillers seriously reconsidering their career choices after that note at the end. Rip to that profession.

[–]bnine_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like the question thing. But my sex life is without much of experience, quite embarassing.

Should i lie about that playing it?

[–]beginner_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

50? Probably means anything from 100 to 1000. If I had banged say 200 chicks, I would have no clue how many it actually would have been. So saying "50" (a lot) does sound like a standard answer.

[–]tjc1450-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Would it be better for all y'all if she'd had only one long term partner -- if he was successful and good looking with a thick 10" that made her come all the time for years ? Or despite having received miles more dick, would she just be a better person ?

[–]Deeze_Rmuh_Nudds-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That last paragraph niiiiice/brutal.

Also...the fuck is plate spinning? lol

Ok downvoted me but don't tell me what it is. It sounds dumb as fuck. All I can think of is like those clowns or something.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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