In the past few years thereâs been a push to break down societyâs gender roles, which has led to more men becoming feminine. It was started by millennials and has been taken to new heights by gen z with the growing obsession with e-boys, femboys, and guys with the k pop aesthetic.
This would be fine if it was done in truly unselfish good faith and if it had an actual benefit for men and society. Unfortunately it doesnât and itâs very selfish when you consider the potential consequences.
When I hear women talk about feminine men itâs never in a relationship sense. It usually has to do with how they make life easier for women on a day to day basis. Theyâre thought to be easier to reject, make better friends, and are more in line politically. From what Iâve witnessed these men take rejection no better than masculine men and can even be worse at it. The only times they make good friends are when they revert back to the masculine roles of a platonic friendship. The political aspect is true but the US is bipartisan so there arenât many choices. Many view these men as purely friends and will have no problem with a masculine Man stepping up and marrying her.
This would be perfectly fine if there were no negatives from a societal standpoint, however this isnât the case. The cost of living is rising and the marriage rate is dropping. Women arenât getting married and most donât make enough to live comfortably on their own until retirement. Despite what many modern women say they have no problem with a masculine,providing man that allows her to be a SAHM. This isnât realistic for most people but the worst thing we could do as a society is sending mixed signals to young, impressionable men about what they should or shouldnât be. This is true especially if the people pushing the message have no interest in marrying them.
Do you think that feminizing men is a good thing? Why do you think theyâre being feminized? What affect do you think it will have on society in the coming years ?
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Thereâs always been hand wringing about this sort of thing from era to era, generation to generation. Nothing really changes. Whether it was the âfoppishnessâ in âtodayâs dandiesâ back in the Victorian era to the lack of manliness and morals in the jazz loving city boys in the 20s to whatever it is now people like to pretend society is going to collapse every time men look or act more feminine. Hereâs news for you. Itâs not
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Define effeminate. You mean guys who are into a lot of girly stuff and also kinda act girly? Or would a man whoâs simply not very manly due to being sensitive/anxious or not very dominant/ambitious be effeminate.
Because I sometimes consider myself to be feminine due to being more in like with the latter, but not because I act girly or like girly things.
Would someone into nerdy hobbies like regular gaming, tabletop gaming, or anime be effeminate since those arenât âmanlyâ hobbies? I mean they arenât feminine, either (though with anime itâll depend on what you watch).
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See, the thing is that men are waking up to find that they don't have to compromise for women, just like women stopped compromising decades ago. That in my opinion, is the greatest freedom from gender roles that men will ever attain. We don't care if masculinity healthy or not, it's our natural state of mind, and we don't have to change ourselves for the express benefit of women. If you don't like the food you ordered, well tough luck, cause there are children starving in the third world, so you gotta suck it up and eat everything. That's how men are raised, that the world is not our oyster and we always "gotta suck it up".
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So should we stop telling boys itâs okay to cry or seek out help if things like vulnerability and weakness are unattractive to women?
Should we teach boys to be stoic and hard?
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Actually men try to kill themselves more than women. The "higher number of attempts" statistic came from including things like self harm as a suicide attempt.
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A man whoâs stoic and hard is not likely gonna kill himself.
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Men kill themselves because they're considered worthless. Stoicism is the best way to deal with that.
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Because you posted an article with no data proving otherwise? They've got statistics about the higher rates of men offing themselves but there's no data for their assertion that "opening up" is the magic fix all for male problems. We're just supposed to pretend that undercutting toxic masculinity will make men mentally healthy while ignoring that exact social trend over the last few decades positively correlates with an increase of men killing themselves.
Academic sociology as a very very strong motivation to establish that women never advantaged over men in modern society. Any double standards have to work against women, full stop. When they look at women having a lower suicide rate they can only make the assumption that men imitating women's behavior is the solution because acknowledging that there may be a social bias against men is an unacceptable premise.
They'll always insist that men are raised to be stoic and withdrawn because of traditional gender roles and not that men learn to act that way out of necessity.
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Feel free to decide it's all just not true and go about your life. As a woman you have that luxury.
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Pretty telling that your goto was biological disadvantages.
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How about in situations where itâs serious?
Am I not allowed to cry in front of others when my father inevitably dies? Am I just supposed to shrug it off like it is what it is in front of my girlfriend?
Iâm not saying men (or anyone, really) should all just collapse at the slightest discomfort but the fact that being vulnerable about anything will cause nothing but bad things to happen to you really fucking sucks
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I mean Iâve heard tons of stories of women losing attraction and respect for men that weeped over serious shit like death in the family, a dying friend, trauma over being abused as a kid and so on. If thatâs the case, then how can I ever trust someone who I assumed is the love of my life? What am I allowed to even be open with her about?
Hell what if I just get depressed? Lik
Plenty of men will shit on you for being vulnerable. I would say.
Nowadays I find it extremely hard to open up to anybody.
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You guys say all the time that all women are like that, though.
This is one of the things that terrifies me most if I ever get a girlfriend going forward, not being able to ever be vulnerable without getting punished for it. Itâs one of the reasons why I have such huge trust issues.
Like I almost feel like that if someone isnât willing to allow you to be that (within reason, of course), that person doesnât love you.
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I mean Iâve been knowledgeable about the whole RP concept about never showing her weakness for a few years.
But I feel like Iâve never been able to come to peace with it. About how you can never turn to her for emotional support or whatever. But at the same time you gotta be her rock and be there for her. It can never be mutual.
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Well of course Iâm not gonna cry in front of other strangers but Iâm not even comfortable being so open in front of people I am close with.
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So should I punish my son for crying about anything or feeling sadness?
How to I ensure my some doesnât end up a pathetic pussy?
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Such as?
And what are the things where itâs okay to be sad about?
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The problem is a woman's notion of "sexual harassment"--snort changes depending on how hot a man is. Some unattractive or average guy will see a hot man do just that, and will try it out on some random woman and get himself in hot water.
Then there is shit like demanding (again, certain men only) being less assertive so you don't come off as a "mansplainer", sitting down while peeing, manspreading, checks on courtship behavior that desirable men get a pass for. There is a concerted political and ideological effort to change masculinity in such a way that benefits women at the detriment of men.
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I've seen men, including some I know and am acquainted with, "sexually harass" women (do things without consent) only for the women to love the "harassment", just because the men were hot. The guy in the video that got the woman snorting has clearly done this many times, and to be bold enough to do it on camera no less. And he isn't the only male either, you can be sure of that.
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From the most disciplined Armed Force taking on half the world, to walking in skirts because law enforcement can't do its damn job. What have the Allies done to Germany?
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