What percentage of men are either creeps or abusive?

goatismycopilot · 2021-07-09T18:36:12+00:00

Men are generally not creepy to other straight men so men have no idea.

Plus many straight men often willfully ignore some super super serial killer shit from their friends because they enjoy the same man hobby or they went to boot camp together or insert male bonding experience here. Like it never occurs to grown adults they are seeing one curated segment of a human and that other people are seeing another segment because that would be too much like nuance.

And they never believe that awesome dude they served with in Iraq/Afghanistan who was so loyal and was totally a brother would beat the fuck out of his wife/family/kids.

PeskyHijinks · 2021-07-09T18:53:29+00:00

"Creepy" behavior has been absolutely twisted by women. I've been called a creep for walking my dog in a public park and essentially ignoring everyone. Ive been called a creep for eating ice cream from a cone in public. I've been called a creep when an obnoxiously rude woman wouldn't move away from the apples so I had to reach from the side to get some. I've been called a creep for jogging at night. I've been called a creep for walking to my car in a parking lot that just so happen ed to have a woman in front of me also walking to her car.

I totally understand and recognize there are genuine creeps and actual danger in the world. But it's been so twisted and sensationalized that I don't even pay it any attention any more. It's gotten to the point where they are crying wolf.

Nation_of_Two · 2021-07-10T01:19:13+00:00

I have no idea the percentage, but men here are denying that their pals and brothers could be creepy or abusive to women simply because they never witness it. Why would they? Are you standing outside the home when he yells at her and the kids hide in fear?

Also, what ransoms do to act creepy is something straight men rarely see. Ask your female relatives and get the story.

OkLieThen · 2021-07-09T19:54:53+00:00

All .We are all abusive creeps. It's great. 200% .

Happy now?

layne89 · 2021-07-09T18:31:26+00:00

I don't think that many men are bad people. Less than 5% I'd say.

Generally, if women say a big percentage of men are creepy or abusive, they're surrounding themselves with weirdos.

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2021-07-09T19:39:21+00:00

Well terms like creep, abuser, and loser is very subjective. A billionaire might think a $100k/year earning professional is a loser. Some women would call anyone that isn't Chad or have perfect game a creep if he approached them.

So everyone will probably give you different answers based on their criteria.

TheDevilPutD · 2021-07-09T20:03:21+00:00

Any guy who overpursues women is a creep. The less interested in them you are, the more mysterious and hot you are. Weird, I know!

BarestBranch · 2021-07-10T06:06:36+00:00

Thinking of it in terms of men being creeps or abusive is kinda dumb. It’s not that most men are creeps and abusers in some kind of categorical sense, it’s that most men have engaged in creepy and even abusive behaviors. That doesn’t now mean they’re creeps or abusers for life. It means most women experience creepiness and abuse and have to be on guard around men. I can say that I have been creepy in the past. I may even have been abusive in some ways. I’m deeply sorry for that of course and being aware of it helps me become a better person and prevent such behaviors in the future.

So anyway, most men have engaged in creepy and (slightly) abusive behavior.

Philip8000 · 2021-07-09T20:20:38+00:00

Most men are not, but one evil man can hurt a lot of women. Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein had dozens of women come out of the woodwork, and those are only the ones who came forward. Wouldn't be surprised if some opted against it.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-07-09T18:38:57+00:00

Most Normie men have probably done something creepy in their lives lol. It's likely unavoidable for humans in general.

A much smaller percentage would probably be actually abusive, like 10-15% if I had to throw out a number.

trippingfingers · 2021-07-09T18:34:21+00:00

That's because some men don't show their creepy side until they're alone with a woman.

I think if you're a straight dude you should probably double whatever percent you assumed at first.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-07-09T18:30:05+00:00

There are at least as many creeps/abusers as there are white knights… dudes that aren’t creepy/abusers don’t go around announcing it and condemning that behavior for the sole reason of trying to impress the other gender

lolomotif12 · 2021-07-10T01:29:14+00:00

According to most women nowadays Men they don't find attractive are "creeps" and men they do fancy and have a relationship with are "abusive".

2021-07-10T12:06:20+00:00

The answer is the unattractive ones. So majority.

Comprehensive_Zombie · 2021-07-09T19:23:40+00:00

Straight up evil abusive, would kill or rape you if given a chance: 5%

Regular creep, won’t kill you might stalk or rape you: 10%

Brimming on creepy/externally manifesting shady shit in a conversation that makes you raise an eyebrow once in a while: 15%

Poor interpersonal skills or poor understanding of social cues that come off as bad but they’re usually fine people: 20%

Regular chill guys: 40%

Solid men I’d trust with my life: 10%

2021-07-09T18:25:47+00:00

The usual 1-2%.

stpaulgo · 2021-07-09T19:30:58+00:00

Can we define "creep" and "abuser" please?

After all, in our current environment, it's ok for a woman to call a man a creep for talking to her at a bar.

Kaisha001 · 2021-07-09T23:44:06+00:00

If you notice a trend on PPD. Women love to throw around insults. I've been called a creep, weirdo, incel, and autistic more times on PPD than in real life.

mydikishomofobik · 2021-07-09T18:35:07+00:00

Creep doesn't mean anything, so anywhere from 0-100% can be creeps ("that man looked in my general direction OMG CREEEEEEEEEP!"; "that man didn't look at me OMG CREEEEEEEEEEEEP!"). As for abusers, women seem to like them, so I guess a lot of the men women choose fit that category, but not a large proportion of the male population from what I've seen.

NDN2004 · 2021-07-09T18:33:10+00:00

Coming from a red pill guy is definitely say about 25%-30% of men are creepy in some degree and about 10-15 of that group is or can be abusive physically and sexually.

redditradishman · 2021-07-09T19:25:37+00:00

Every ex is abusive. So it seems.

biggestuzifanea · 2021-07-09T19:33:27+00:00

80%, women find 80% of men as unattractive and creepy/abusive just means unattractive to modern woman.

Realistically it's like 10%

Dirty_Purity · 2021-07-09T19:19:43+00:00

It is pretty simple. If a woman doesn't like a man - a man is creep. If a woman doesn't like how a man treats her - a man is abuser. You can start your calculations from here.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-07-09T21:29:13+00:00

We are all creeps. In fact some of the worst creeps I have seen over the years had tits and a pussy.

MrShakedown1 · 2021-07-09T22:42:03+00:00

80 %. That uglier part xD.

flowerwoven · 2021-07-10T00:47:08+00:00

Some men are more creepy than others, but any man who watches porn and enjoys it is absolutely creepy.

SnooSprouts1580 · 2021-07-10T01:38:58+00:00

Question for women: what was non-creepy about the men who approached you and slept with you?

desicockk · 2021-07-10T01:53:43+00:00

If you look like me and approach women IRL it's creepy. If you're chiseled jaw Chad it's confident.

That's life son.

Nice_Pass2393 · 2021-07-10T02:44:17+00:00

All men age 50 to 70. I don't know why but they are always the most rude and pushy guys in public. And not in a sexual way. Like yesterday I was eating out and the janitor came over and start spraying Windex on my table and cleaning it! I was right there. I think men that age are still in a old school less equal mindset and resent women's rights. Men below 50 usually have too much stuff going on to bully strangers, and men over 70 are either too weak or dead.

darkredpintobeans · 2021-07-10T03:13:53+00:00

It's impossible to get solid numbers on these things but since data is what you're looking for the cdc ain't a bad place to start.

" The most recent data, from the 2011 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), indicate that over 10 million women and men in the United States experience physical violence each year by a current or former intimate partner.

Further, over 1 in 5 women (22.3%) and nearly 1 in 7 men (14.0%) have experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime, translating to nearly 29 million U.S. women and nearly 16 million U.S. men.

Data from NISVS also show that nearly 1 in 11 women (8.8%) have been raped by a current or former intimate partner at some point in their lives.

Finally, approximately 9.2% of women and 2.5% of men have been stalked by an intimate partner in their lifetime"

I figured it would be better to use victim rates to get an idea of the scope, as opposed to conviction rates because our justice system is a bit scuffed.

ErrendeEbecee · 2021-07-10T04:36:50+00:00

80% of course

nemma88 · 2021-07-10T10:21:27+00:00

Probably <5% or so for creepy, but then the victims are a majority of women because people like creepy men creep on every woman they see.

I would not hazard a guess on abusers.

So it's prevelant from a small minority.

Edit; Someone mentioned normie men would have done something creepy in their lives and yeah, sure. For example I once had a friend just wander into my bedroom in the middle of the night and had to physically remove his naked ass from my bed when verbal discontent was being ignored . It's not something I personally harboured ill will for and the guys a good guy - but it's pretty rapey. And lots of people no doubt would have been on one end or another.

bxbatman1990 · 2021-07-11T14:47:13+00:00

I found out after the fact a group of females in my basic training platoon had a nicname for me, "Sniper [Last Name] ", alluding to me being a mass shooter type. One of the females admitted this after basic in AIT when they got to know me better. I never interacted with these females unless it was absolutely necessary in basic, almost as if fraternization during IET phase banned or something..., But that's women for ya.

I suspect that I did have one or two casual convos with a female the others didn't like may have not helped. Also apparently someone got the idea that I was gay and spread that around to others in my unit after IET, and all my male coworkers knew me well enough to know I'm not gay so little wonder which gender was saying that. Again, I don't really fuck with other females in the Army cause of SHARP's, not that it stops anyone else. God damn near everyone cheating on their husbands and wives out here on rotation, people do not care.

That's why you simply do not give a fuck what women say. It's all a shit-test. They say they hate being harassed and hit on, but be the one guy that actually minds his own business, is a professional in your workplace and watch how much time elapses before the women around you start whispering that you're a homo or a serial killer. Women fucking hate lack of attention from men and view it with suspicion, even the ones that complain about harassment.

CodeCody23 · 2021-07-09T18:28:22+00:00

I think about 25-30% that are creeps and/or abusive.

superlurkage · 2021-07-09T19:25:06+00:00

Motivated? 5-10% They’ll seek it out

Opportunistic? Add another 50-60%, as a conservative estimate. They’ll do it rarely, usually under the the influence of drugs or alcohol, and/or when they are confident they won’t get caught or suffer consequences.

Experience has taught me that a woman can trust very, very few men when they’re drunk and alone with you, even for a few minutes

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-07-10T02:04:00+00:00

I'd say about 50%. I've learned how easily men can hide their abusive actions when they want to.

SaBahRub · 2021-07-09T20:01:21+00:00

A lot. I’d say 3/4, at minimum, are capable of doing it at least once, especially if alcohol or anonymity are involved

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-07-09T19:14:05+00:00

Don't know. What women seem to think is "creepy" varies from woman to woman. Most of the time, it's just guys who "make them feel" uncomfortable. Sometimes that involves action and sometimes it only involves existing.

The percentage of guys who are abusive can be found in the percentage of guys that women date. Women seem to have a built-in radar for abusive men.

Dan240z · 2021-07-09T18:26:31+00:00

Give or take 1-5 percent.

TheChocolateBarsGuy · 2021-07-09T19:55:19+00:00

It's a pretty small percentage.

What women call " creepy " it just means a non attractive guy.

What women call " abusive " nowdays means he is not good looking enough for him to tell me what to do.

It's bunch of BS

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Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2021-07-09T20:18:43+00:00

On the internet in my experience about 60% of FR are creepy esp the ones you have no friends in common with , I'd say you gotta make sure your settings are set to private etc , learned long time ago . If not , you'll wake up to numerous and I mean numerous friend requests , message requests from Islamic dudes , and India guys . I'm a blonde, so I'm not sure if this is exactly why they friend request me and try to message me you're so beautifu,l you're hot ,and if you don't answer them you can see the messages get hostile , where they say something to you numerous times and then it just gets angrier and angrier because you won't entertain them. What's the point of message requesting somebody that's clearly married on their profile and has a SO all over their profile page , it just isn't making any sense, it's like they're putting themselves into a position to get pissed off because somebody won't talk to them, I don't care how beautiful you think I am , you are not relevant, and it clearly states on my profile that I'm married so leave me alone 😆

aerial_coitus · 2021-07-10T06:18:18+00:00

If you ask women, the answer is something like 92%. But if you look at reality, it’s likely less than 3%. But reality does not comport with the victim narrative that so many women find that they simply must perpetuate. So we have to live in this gynocentric morass of a culture to pacify the “fairer sex”……. 🤢🤮

insertcredit2 · 2021-07-10T07:31:59+00:00

A lot "abuse" is simply they have got into some kind of a relationship with an attractive guy with options.

They declare "he treats me like shit" and you ask how and they'll give you the same responses as every other girl.

"he doesn't give me enough attention/he'd rather hang out with his buddies than me"

Yeah, he's doing whatever he wants and he knows you can either put up with it or leave him and if you leave him he'll start seeing the next becky that's already in his DMs

He doesn't buy me shit/take me to places that cost money

Because he doesn't have to. Why should he buy you shit when not buying you shit works just as well.

he pressured me into sex

No he asked and you knew if you said no he'd dump you and start seeing someone else. You felt pressured because you didn't want to lose him to "that slut you hate".

They could start dating a beta who will treat them in all the ways chad won't. Billy beta will be in her previous position of having to acquiesce to all of her requests, afraid she'll leave him for another Beta who will do whatever he's told.

"creeps" are generally Billy betas who believe that being persistent and not taking no for an answer because they are blue pilled and women find this absolutely repulsive.

In terms of how many guys are actually abusive or actual perverts very few.

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Gvarph006 · 2021-07-09T19:32:25+00:00

Oul>the>l

What percentage of men are either creeps or abusive?

Men love to white knight themselves surprisingly even in RP about how many creeps ok lll look lllll>!!<, abusers, and losers are out there and how they are proudly above that.

Women, I mean... on the internet... it is as if there is a daily hurricane Katrina of creeps and abusive men falling from the sky in their city.

What is the hard number percentage out there? How bad is it?

HelloThere00F · 2021-07-09T19:34:09+00:00

10%?

Hoopy223 · 2021-07-09T19:36:38+00:00

Its infinitesimally small like .01% tops. I could do the math but its not worth the time.

cvslengthbucketlist · 2021-07-10T00:42:14+00:00

The problem is that whether a guy is a "creep" is heavily subjective and is going to depend on the woman, so you can't really ask a question like "what percentage of men." More like you'll have to do a survey among women rating particular men on an individual basis, and repeat this process for a large enough sample size of men and aggregate that somehow as its own percentage value. So like, out of 1000 men, 50% are 20% creepy, 20% are 50% creepy, or whatever.

"Abusive" is much less subjective, at least in terms of physical abuse. Although different people have different conceptions of the boundaries of psychological manipulation, but I have no idea what the numbers are. Again you might have to design a survey in the same way as the "what percentage are creepy" one.

Edit: Actually beyond being heavily subjective, creepy can also be a momentary thing, not a persistent character trait. Theoretically only behavior should creepy, not looks. So a guy who is otherwise charismatic and socially successful can say something like "man I can't believe I acted creepy in front of that girl" and be telling the truth, but still not let it define him as being a creep in 95% of interactions.

KurkTheMagnificent · 2021-07-10T01:59:14+00:00

All men are 'creeps' at core; meaning we all objectify women at the end of the day.

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2021-07-10T10:08:43+00:00

id say the actual creeps/losers etc would be anywhere between 5 and 10 %, but my best guess would be around 10 %, theres a difference between actual creeps/ losers and what women perceive to be creeps/ losers

example of the latter :

ugly guy talking to a woman = creepy/loser

__Vandetta__ · 2021-07-10T11:26:04+00:00

Look, if this question needs to be asked then, it's Female equivalent needs to be asked likewise.

Probably almost the same but reactions are different and outcomes are different.

WerewolfPleasant · 2021-07-10T12:11:34+00:00

I mean genuinely creepy or abusive? I'd say 10%

kindParodox · 2021-07-10T14:14:46+00:00

Probably same as creep women. Just there's a few more men in the world than women so the numbers look a little worse

4D-Alien · 2021-07-09T21:31:14+00:00

the amount abusive as in actually hits women, probably 2%-5%?

imo id say abusive women are higher because they can get away with it. probably 10-15%

EthanWaberx · 2021-07-10T05:22:37+00:00

The answer to that is largely dependent on whether or not you find the man attractive.

John_Oakman · 2021-07-18T06:21:52+00:00

The same percentage as the non hot ones, so something like 80%

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