She really predicted the future ...

samina_ · 2020-12-21T11:12:35+00:00

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IgetUsernameScraps · 2020-12-21T13:45:05+00:00

It’s funny she mentioned how men love 3rd wave feminism. I always thought they hated it but actually the men I know who love it realize it benefits them. “We’re equals! Pay for your own dinner (or “treat” me), drive over to my house to sex me, pay half the rent (but do 80-100% housework).” etc. While their broke ass worries about gold-diggers. It’s ridiculous the point where we’re being brainwashed and taken advantage of.

janetheautomaton · 2020-12-21T11:02:51+00:00

Truth. Women are being groomed into their own exploitation, by men and by other women who have been co-opted into the male agenda. They can no longer make us things by law or by violence, so now they are trying to do it with consent.

Thundergun3000 · 2020-12-21T13:37:08+00:00

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likejackandsally · 2020-12-21T14:33:22+00:00

Yeah, said this yesterday on a post and spent several hours being called everything in the book because I said porn was violence against women.

Men really don’t like being told something they like isn’t okay with all women. Because society has deemed it an acceptable type of violence, anyone who disagrees is the worst person.

Belgian_jewish_studn · 2020-12-21T14:56:43+00:00

I think social status also plays a role.

I used to visit a gym (pre Covid) in a nice part of town. Most women there had great careers or were “house wives” with staff. Majority of them would not participate in foolish things like going 50/50, obeying a man, letting a man let himself go. I think because a lot of them had healthy self esteem. None of them NEEDED a man.

But in university I saw a lot of girls from poorer/middle class backgrounds who were willing to do things that would not benefit them so at least they weren’t single. I guess because of lower self esteem.

So in conclusion I would argue that there is more work to be done in places were women have had less education or are the 1st generation to get a degree than in higher up places.

localgirlcult · 2020-12-21T12:36:43+00:00

For me it's how we as a social group continuously let ourselves be walked on and deceived and we're like "Oh lol yeah ok. That sounds great. Let's follow what those guys said!!". What's gonna be the click that happens in all of our heads that stops this? I just wonder what men have to do to us for this to fucking stop. They've already done every possible depravity, it seems. But I guess it only seems. It can get so much worse and it will. Whenever they feel any power slipping away, they fight back like this and a huge number of women accepts it. It's just always certain women going forward and a larger number of women grabbing us and pulling us back. We can talk about how it's not their fault due to this and that, but this has gone way too far and some personal accountability is needed. I've grown up in the same society as every pickme in my vicinity. I'm not some mega genius talking about academic feminism and any sort of complicated concepts that the average woman would have trouble relating to, I'm a normal everyday person with relatable, everyday struggles. There's no excuse for not getting it.

RojavaLover · 2020-12-21T20:00:38+00:00

A job where the lines between sex and rape are always blurred cannot be empowering.

Commodifying consent isn't empowering.

Being rejected by society isn't empowering.

Your kids walking with their heads down because someone saw their mother on only fans or youporn isn't empowering.

An industry where the majority are pimped and traded isn't empowering.

These women are 95% of the time victims of childhood sexual abuse and women with the least choices. They often feel this is what they deserve, it's a form of self-harm and punishment. Telling them they are empowered isn't helping them at all. Stop it.

samina_ · 2020-12-21T10:29:33+00:00

I'm not sure who the author of this card is.. if anyone knows please let us know

Equal-Ear2312 · 2020-12-21T16:06:11+00:00

Down is the new up, hate is love, 2+2=5.

This is the world we live in. The world of fake news and incel terrorism.

Orwell rolls in his grave. Dworkin rolls too.

2020-12-21T14:06:28+00:00

It’s funny how if a woman chooses to marry a sexist man who believes women should not work and instead cook and clean, who makes derogatory remarks about women, and who doesn’t believe marital rape can occur, that is suddenly not a feminist move. But she chose it right?! So that means it is ok right?! They will tell you that no, marrying a sexist man flies in the face of feminism.

And yet instead of marrying him if you choose to internalize the stereotype of women being just objects for sex (which also comes from a man) with no feelings then that is magically a feminist move. Boggles the mind really

lalacestmoi · 2020-12-21T13:19:50+00:00

It started with the “Girls Gone Wild” movement, which was led by a couple of dorky guys with film equipment, telling girls that it was empowering to act graphically sexual on camera. Porn has always been around, but once there was a whiff of fame alongside this “girls being girls” movement... this trash began.

yellow_pterodactyl · 2020-12-21T14:51:56+00:00

I have a few guys say I should join onlyfans and feel empowered.

What? Like ruin my career if I’m found out? Lord knows how easy it is to get doxxed these days. I worked too hard for my career to be objectified.

I also had a guy I dated for about a month tell me I was ‘pretty enough to be a call girl’. ENOUGH? That conversation never sat right with me and I broke it off with him. Good riddance, he later attacked me and told me I sucked at kissing and I needed to do a better job at shaving my legs.

the-red_woman · 2020-12-21T13:12:40+00:00

The way we can know we’re doing something right here on FDS is because men hate it!

punyhumannumber2 · 2020-12-21T16:35:11+00:00

Plus it doesn't fix anything. It doesn't fix the fact that women are paid less than men for the same job. Or how careers/industries become undervalued and begin paying less the more women join that workforce.

Instead society goes "well instead of making it equal why don't you just sell your body on the side thats fair right" no that isn't fair and it isn't equality. Why should we exploit ourselves further to 'fix' how our labor is being exploited in the first place?

Novemberinthechair · 2020-12-21T12:17:45+00:00

Hail, hail, Queen Andrea. She knew the score.

k_sugarplum · 2020-12-21T13:29:48+00:00

Absolutely true. Couldn't have said it clearer. Self-proclaimed feminists that serve the male agenda are rampant nowadays.

Andrea Dworkin got so much hate, but it seems that her radical views are turning out to true... I have been meaning to read her work. Any idea where to start?

elaenastonemoss · 2020-12-21T17:21:12+00:00

Andrea Dworkin has a very good memoir out called “Heartbreak”. A friend of mine had to read it for her Intro to Political Theory class and lent me her copy. Definitely worth a read!

bluberry_xx · 2020-12-21T19:32:31+00:00

All facts. Men being active feminists is like kkk members attending blm protests. It’s all bullshit and they have anterior motives.

gouttrout · 2020-12-21T12:55:50+00:00

Yep. Ugh.

Emergency-Feed8216 · 2020-12-21T19:09:39+00:00

There was a report on this. Most porn performers don't talk about the horrors they endured or witnessed until they age out, end up too injured and traumatized to work or otherwise retire, then the truth starts pouring forth.

I don't trust people who try to ignore that aspect of it. I recently got into a disagreement over this with a distant relative (through marriage, not a blood relation) who attended the International Meeting of Women Who Fight hosted by Zapatista women in Chiapas, Mexico in 2019. The relative-- who I'll call PickMelia-- who attended complained that the Zapatistas wouldn't allow the group of active sex workers in attendance to be heard. Of all the things that happened at the event, that's what she went on and on about.

I said I didn't blame the Zapatistas while PickMelia protested my view. I suggested that, at the next meeting, the Zapatistas invite a large group of outspoken retired sex workers to present their views so that, if the current sex workers want to make their case, they'll be confronted by people with real experience who understand that kind of denialism and cognitive dissonance.

PickMelia wasn't too excited about my suggestion and cut me off. I wasn't surprised. I've always had a problem with this relative. She bravely came out as gay years ago but there's no lesbian loophole for PickMe behavior. Worse, her PickMe-ism is outsourced, something I've seem more than once in my life. In short, she's a pimp. I find her to be rather "male leaning" in creepy little ways. For instance, she's a financial mooch and one of the ways she plies various men (often married or committed) for financial support for her various failed hippie ventures is by trying to pimp her straight female friends as an unstated quid pro quo. I suspect it goes further than that and she facilitates hookups for actual sex worker friends, but it's all glossed over with a neo-hippie, crunchy, groovy veneer. This is why I'll never agree to help sponsor her attendance to the Chiapas summit again. I don't like it when women couch internalized misogyny from behind a libfem mask. I won't pay to polish that mask.

In the end I don't think anything cohesively political is fueling her behavior and it probably even goes beyond pure, cold pragmatism. For such a big anti-rape activist, it was curious when my skinny little son was ogled by some peeper in a men's room at a restaurant and she blew off my alarm and basically shamed me for "overreacting." Also, since her father abandoned her family after cheating for years, it's like she's a covert enemy of monogamy. Not just an ethical non-monogamist but someone who gets off on betrayal and the destruction of relationships (she's never been in a long term relationship herself). Her expression of this is encouraging men (not so much women) to cheat on and betray partners. Just like Daddy.

Frankly I find her political justifications for this to be thin and poorly conceived. She's not stupid but suddenly sounds stupid on this issue. I think she's just trying to reenact a childhood trauma-- namely seeing her mother betrayed and abandoned-- in a psychopathic way. I wonder if her "support" of sex workers is subconsciously weaponized. I suspect something similar is at play for a lot of " sex positive" libfem apologists for the sex and porn industry. People with personality disorders often have a strange way of "sharing" their own past traumas- by making sure everyone else endures the same horrors.

thowawaywookie · 2020-12-22T04:15:14+00:00

I know parts of society are influenced by porn more than we realise.

Does anyone know where the idea that sex trade is empowering came from? Did certain celebrities endorse it?

Phoenix__Rising2018 · 2020-12-21T15:37:08+00:00

Queen Dworkin

level_up_always · 2020-12-21T18:32:49+00:00

it's the definition of manufactured consent.

Bubbly-Manufacturer · 2020-12-21T20:51:16+00:00

This reminds me of a tik tok I saw. A reaction vid. Supposedly in the vid an instagram model that showcases her butt was being harassed.And was yelling at some guys to stop looking at her butt.

The guy reacting to the vid did a whole “this you?” Type clip with photos from her instagram. Pretty much saying Bc she chooses to make money off her butt she shouldn’t say anything to creeps irl.

rwilkz · 2020-12-21T19:04:26+00:00

Rest in power Ms Dworkin ❤️

purziveplaxy · 2020-12-21T19:43:48+00:00

What's sad is that this is considered a controversial view. Like I'm scared to post this on my Facebook. Porn is like a drug religion for so many people.

GlaeWitch · 2020-12-22T01:45:23+00:00

Not very pleased with this line of inquiry. We are so far past this aren't we? Really, aren't we? No?

Title	She really predicted the future ...
Author	samina_
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Date	December 21, 2020 10:27 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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