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[–]Ellen_Pao17 [score hidden] 7 months ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit lads I've figured it out. Women actually want to be disrespected by a man in bed and respected in public. I read somewhere online they want a thoughtful, intellectual conversation at a restaurant and then want to be choked in bed after. Beta males can't do the latter.

I tried this at a club yesterday by acting like a confident prick who didn't give a fuck and it worked lol. I literally went up to the hottest chick there and said I'd like to get to know you and was actually interested. This might sound fake but it's 100% true. I've realised that the girls are just as insecure as us and all the makeup is a facade, which is why they flock to douchebag chads who just talk to them nice once in a while and just pump and dump em and not the guys who will treat them right, because they have low self-worth JFC i'm an idiot for respecting women lol...

[–]wild_squirrel_Purple Pill Woman [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]grillopieThats like, your opinion Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]autistic_cool_kidSelf-made Chad 38yo (Man) | Buddhistpilled & Autismaxxed [score hidden] 7 months ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ThatBitchARetired Promiscuous Woman [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Lift_and_LurkMan: all pills are dumb [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago (59 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Fancy-Scallion-6682Purple Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]attendquoiwoman....pills are dumb 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago (37 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (36 children) | Copy Link

[–]attendquoiwoman....pills are dumb 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago (35 children) | Copy Link

[–]Fancy-Scallion-6682Purple Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago (33 children) | Copy Link

[–]attendquoiwoman....pills are dumb 7 points8 points9 points 7 months ago (32 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago (29 children) | Copy Link

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[–]attendquoiwoman....pills are dumb 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]SleepyPoemsin2020 10 points11 points12 points 7 months ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Scary-Mouse4817Purple Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]grillopieThats like, your opinion Man 5 points6 points7 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago (11 children) | Copy Link

[–]Fancy-Scallion-6682Purple Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 months ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 4 points5 points6 points 7 months ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 3 points4 points5 points 7 months ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war [score hidden] 7 months ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]N_Count_CouncilRed pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Lift_and_LurkMan: all pills are dumb 8 points9 points10 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Desperate-Exit7423Black Pilled Man 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago (72 children) | Copy Link

[–]lastrevolutionsRed Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war [score hidden] 7 months ago (18 children) | Copy Link

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Men preferring low n count is equivalent to women preferring whatever thing doesn't have to do with security for baby. Women preferring height is equivalent to men preferring whatever thing doesn't have to do with security for baby.

This is a nothing statement.

Women's income preference goes far beyond security for baby, moreover.

So does men’s preference for submission and easy access sex going beyond wanting to innocently feel “desired.” Hm.

It’s almost as if men and women need to find somewhere to meet in the middle when they date each other, because they prioritize something different from each other in a long term relationship.

becsuse if it were as bout security for baby the standard wouldn't be must earn equal or more to what I do

That’s not really accurate. If a woman wants to keep up a similar standard of living that she already has, and wants a man who can keep up with her so she doesn’t have to end up paying extra for him, then it makes sense to want someone who’s at least in her same income bracket. The vast majority of couples are from the same socioeconomic background anyway.

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[–]lastrevolutionsRed Pill Man [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]MuscletovMaroon pill man [score hidden] 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war [score hidden] 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]autistic_cool_kidSelf-made Chad 38yo (Man) | Buddhistpilled & Autismaxxed 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Desperate-Exit7423Black Pilled Man 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]autistic_cool_kidSelf-made Chad 38yo (Man) | Buddhistpilled & Autismaxxed 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 6 points7 points8 points 7 months ago (35 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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Just go find someone who shares the same beliefs as you instead of being malicious to other people.

All the women on here say sex isn't a big deal and that men are pathetic and desperate for wanting sex, that men should just be happy being sexless and not receiving sexual validation.

If sex is so meaningless then what are women losing by having sex with some guy based on a false impression of him?

Either sex is sacred or its not. Stop with the wishy washy gaslighting bullshit.

There is a reason for the term "White lie". Lying is often just a way of communicating to avoid friction and make sure both parties have a smooth interaction.

The woman loses nothing from having sex with a man without commitment. Just like the man loses nothing if he has sex with a woman who then REJECTS him because of his SEX SKILLS in bed, which all women on this sub say is perfectly legitimate.

Fuckin hypocrites.

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But men seem to share this preference in an attempt to get women to care and change their behavior for them

Men have disliked promiscuous women as long term partners for YEARS. It’s a natural reaction for a lot of guys, an “ick” if you will. It’s women that hear this and then all of a sudden they act like they also care about a man having a high body count, in retaliation to men caring about theirs in an attempt to change their behavior (get men to stop caring about body counts). And it’s not like they’re asking for a change because they genuinely feel a certain way, they’re demanding it out of spite. Whereas the men are asking for a change because they genuinely dislike promiscuous partners. This is clear as day.

Yes yes I know there are women who genuinely do care and there’s men who genuinely don’t. But on average, men don’t want to have a long term relationship with promiscuous woman. And women often prefer their man to have experience, at the least they don’t care about his body count whatsoever (mainly because if his body count is high, he’s most like exceptional in some way women find valuable. Hence the sex).

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Still trying for personal attacks. Can’t win an argument without it? Sad.

You said women should either teach the man she’s dating how to make her cum if he is bad at sex or don’t complain that he sucks.

I agreed and said that most women won’t date those men and also don’t stay in sexually unfulfilling relationships. Women cheat just like men do when they are not sexually satisfied. It is delusional to think they won’t. Plenty of people outwardly discuss their cheating IRL and online. Not hard to figure out.

I said nothing to indicate that I am a cheater because 1) I’m not 2) I’m sexually satisfied with my husband who I have never had to give step by step instructions for how to be a good lover. 🤷‍♀️

Sounds like his entire conversation touched an insecurity of yours about being a poor sexual partner. Might want to go work on improving that. Good luck.

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It's a red flag for many people when someone has never had sex past a certain age. It raises the question, has this person been trying to have sex and failing consistently? If so, what's wrong with them that I might not see?

Or are they a virgin by choice? If it's by choice, it may be less of a red flag.

If a woman is an adult virgin, it's generally assumed to be by choice, because demand for sex and especially casual sex is high among men. I would speculate that the vast majority of women who are adult virgins are virgins by choice, not because no one wanted them.

If a man is an adult virgin, it's more likely that he's a virgin involuntarily. That raises the question of, what's wrong with him that I might not see?

It's sort of like real estate. If a mediocre looking house has been sitting on the market for over a year in a city where most mediocre houses sell within two weeks, moat people would question what's wrong with that house.

edit- All that being said, the hypothetical question of would you date a virgin is sort of irrelevant, because you typically don't know whether someone is a virgin. A 25 year old, tall, 10/10 guy who happens to be a virgin could go on tinder and hook up tonight if he wants to. It's never even going to cross her mind that he's a virgin before they have sex.

For the most part, men are virgins because they're undesirable, so women assume a hypothetical virgin is undesirable. In the real world, it doesn't matter if a guy is a virgin as long as he's desirable.

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https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/s/yeJIZvSsJM

The comments are overwhelmingly hounding OP’s bf, calling him a sexist and a pig for believing a man’s n count and a woman’s n count are not the same thing. When will people acknowledge the elephant in the room? I feel like everyone knows but a lot of people just play dumb. OP’s bf is right, of course they’re different.

Women are much pickier than men when it comes to who they sleep with. So in order for a man to have slept with a bunch of women, he would have had to of been deemed “worthy” enough by many different women due to desirable traits he posses. And these traits are require either a lot of time and effort, or just dumb luck. Ex: Face, physique, status, height, “rizz”, money, etc. This is why women often like men that other women desire/are experienced with women. It’s also why many people see it as an achievement when a man has a high n count. In order for a woman to sleep with a bunch of men, all she needs to do is not be fugly (I’m talking a 0-2 out of 10), exist, and decide she wants to sleep with a bunch of men. Sprinkle in a dash of effort (and I mean a dash) and that woman can sleep with plenty of men she deems desirable. Some wayyyy above her league. It’s not the same thing at all. Two completely different experiences. And like I said, people understand this but just play dumb.

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I mean the reason many people - myself included - are unimpressed with this line of reasoning is because, even if granted, it's ultimately irrelevant to the reasons body count even matters to people.

For example:

For a virgin waiting until marriage and wanting another virgin, all it means is this dude put in more effort to fuck up.

For the person who has a restricted sociosexuality and wants someone who views sex similarly as something intimate to be shared with someone you love, the fact that this dude had to work at being a slut doesn't suddenly make him compatible or desirable.

For the dude who wants a low N count woman because he gets the "ick" from a high N, finding out a high N woman who is interested in him only fucked guys who took a lot of effort to seduce is very unlikely to change his mind about her.

Ultimately, studies show that both men and women prefer someone with a low to moderate N count. While high N men can still usually get a partner, so can high N women.

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Getting laid isn't rocket science. You just have to meet a woman who's both attracted to you and horny. If you put a modicum of effort into your appearance and social skills you'll meet women who fit that criteria after a flirtatious first date or night at a bar. You don't need height, a physique, or even money to do this. Getting laid isn't some Herculean accomplishment for men.

Some women have higher body counts because they went through a phase or they weren't interested in a serious relationship for a period of time. Some women have low body counts because they settled down with their high school sweetheart. The low body count woman can go through her own phase after a tough breakup or loss and the high body count woman can settle into a happy relationship if her priorities change. But the body count itself isn't important, no matter how difficult or easy it is for women to get laid.

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Adapting to an environment yields certain behaviors.

is that men not just insecure and hate sex

Women are insecure (most people are). I wouldn’t say they hate sex, but it’s clearly harder to get that from a woman than a man.

I can't have experience, try it out and then realize that i don't like it

For me this would just be chemistry. As an example, I liked anal by myself as a guy before I ever lost my virginity. It’d be really stupid of me to try and date some conservative vanilla woman

I can have moods, i'm obligated to act in a same way. I can't have different reaction to different people, no they are all should be equal

I can have moods and choose other dating options if I want to. Because that’s literally how online dating tends to work, I would talk to a bunch of people and see who it is I like. I compare people to my preferences and choose the one I want.

Also, people tend to act a certain way when they like me a lot. If I have 4 people that want to sleep with me, I’m not going to notice the 5th person who’s “in a mood”, or whatever

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CROSSPOST FROM A VENT SUB

I’m sorry but hookup culture is terrible and is ruining relationships. And I’m tired of being forced into thinking it’s ok

It is. Sex does not mean anything anymore. It’s not a gender issue. Everyone is equally to blame. Sex is the such a intimate, bonding experience. It’s the closest and most intimate you can get to someone. But it’s just completely ruined now. I feel absolutely nothing. I feel the same way holding a girls hand as I do having sex. I lost my virginity with a girl who also lost her virginity with me. And that was the only time I’ve ever massively enjoyed sex. It was over 2 years ago and I still genuinely get a bit emotional when I think about how good it was, how pure it was, how we felt in that moment. Sadly that relationship ended due to circumstances out of my control. And it annoys me because I feel like I’m being robbed of having that experience with anyone ever again because hook up culture is just so rife. I’ve never had sex with anyone outside of a relationship. So I don’t feel like I’m contributing to the issue. But it doesn’t matter because I still don’t really feel anything while having sex, like I said I genuinely feel the same intimacy holding hands with someone. Because sex isn’t something you just do with people love anymore, It’s not an intimate bonding experience anymore because we are in a culture that promotes having sex with people you don’t love. It’s lost all meaning and feeling

I hope this doesn’t come across as slut shaming, I mean I guess it technically is but again it isn’t a gendered issue. Everyone is responsible

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You technically don’t have to participate if you don’t want to, but with the way dating works at big state universities, it is absurdly clear starting from a young age that guys are better off being decent at the whole “sober hookup culture” thing (drunk hookups aren’t the same concept).

Sober hookups were far from the norm at my university. A lot of times I would meet a girl sober and maybe we would flirt and it would be established that there was chemistry, but usually the actual hookup came with some alcohol (at least the first time we hooked up). For casual sex after the first hookup, sober was much more common.

Even so, I haven't seen any difference between my success in a college environment vs. my success in NYC on dating apps. The women I met post-college were just as high quality as the ones I met in college. My girlfriend meets all the relationship compatibility requirements and even works in the same industry as me.

So I wouldn't say sober hookups are the key predictor. It's more like, is the guy able to consistently be with the women he desires in college? A one-off drunken hookup with someone out of his league isn't that. But if he's able to consistently pull it off, that's his league.

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Experience matters and women knew that for a while. All those jokes how men want virgins who would be like sluts in bed showed that women did understand that women who aren't sluts can't really act like sluts, that's experience. A virgin can learn, but that's a work that needs to be done. It could be done in monogamous relationship, but as those jokes stated men want it all and now, not fantasizing how he will teach her. Another unrealistic expectation, but well. So women know that with men virgins it's the same. Experience matter. And we know that we need to teach them. And one thing is if we like that guy and he is good. But if we just want something easy and casual? I want to have already good sex and not teach some man and dance around his ego and insecurities and unrealistic expectations and whatnot. Men also not really good students and they need to like to to actually put their ego aside and learn.

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I'm sorry but no, and you can't convince me because you didn't try to teach men sex i assume. As a woman at that. Seriously you're arguing with me based on what? "men are good"??

Most of them are unteachable at all, so i'm aiming to find someone who will already do what i want. Best case scenario is that i can try to show something, he will ignore that and say something along the lines "i already know what to do, i'm already perfect" and next time he will actually do what i've asked but pretend that it's his idea and skills all along. That's best case, which is not that often. Most of the time it's stops on being ignored. And sometimes cherry on top is that i'm blamed for not thinking he is perfect and mantrum.

The different story is when the man likes you a lot, and does move his ego aside.

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Simping is just an attempt to purchase interest, which is why it doesn't work

… unless it does work, or a person receives enough simping that it becomes a prerequisite, instead of an option

And sex is absolutely effort for women when they don't want it at that time and/or aren't in the mood for it

I agree, but women seem to often find the motivation to at least give me oral if I start making out with them

and some get numb to pussy

Tbh I don’t think healthy guys actually can get numb to condomless sex. Stuff like cigarettes, alcohol, medicine, age, or whatever can affect it, but if I have not had sex at least for that hour, I’m up for it. And then personally, I’m also comfortable with condoms for a couple rounds if I haven’t done anything that day

Once again, no uniform way of behaving, and no correct way for women to behave to have a relationship with one

I agree it’s not uniform, but the question is “What criteria and standards go out the window if you really want someone?”. This creates an awkward tiered approach to how people seem to date around. Because of course there are going to be certain guys a woman would probably realize she’d split the bill for, even if she usually wouldn’t.

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… unless it does work, or a person receives enough simping that it becomes a prerequisite, instead of an option

Simping doesn't work for the simple fact that it by nature involves a woman who has already ruled out such men from dating eligibility, regardless of whether or not he's aware of it, for whatever reasons

Hence why he has to try to purchase her affection in the first place. And oftentimes it's not even a financial exchange, it's just pathetic groveling and pedestalization

If simping worked then the so-called friendzone wouldn't exist

I agree, but women seem to often find the motivation to at least give me oral if I start making out with them

Okay? It's still effort, which is my point

Tbh I don’t think healthy guys actually can get numb to condomless sex. Stuff like cigarettes, alcohol, medicine, age, or whatever can affect it, but if I have not had sex at least for that hour, I’m up for it. And then personally, I’m also comfortable with condoms for a couple rounds if I haven’t done anything that day

Once again, not only am I not talking about you, you are a sample size of one

There is a range of sexual desire - even for men. The idea that men who can and do get laid as often as they want would be just as desperate and horny for sex as the incels who inhabit this sub stretches the limits of common sense and reason. I maintain my opinion that not all men with options act like horny 16-year-olds, nor do they necessarily have to be "unhealthy" for being different than you. It would be nice if you internalized that you are not the only man in existence, nor do you have ultimate authority over what is normal or not

I agree it’s not uniform, but the question is “What criteria and standards go out the window if you really want someone?”. This creates an awkward tiered approach to how people seem to date around. Because of course there are going to be certain guys a woman would probably realize she’d split the bill for, even if she usually wouldn’t.

This is an imaginary hypothetical that can't be used as proof of anything. My point is logical, completely irrelevant to made-up hypothetical scenarios. And that point is that women have no logical reason to change our behavior when the expectations of men are just as varied as the expectations of women. The women who want to split will find the men who want to split Aura okay with splitting and the women who want or expect men to pay will find the men who expect or want to pay.

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If simping worked then the so-called friendzone wouldn't exist

And yet, simping works sometimes. Not everyone is friendzoned.

Once again, not only am I not talking about you, you are a sample size of one

I’m a relevant sample. I know what it feels like to be numb from sex, but this is not a long lasting feeling. I’m familiar with what death grip and being tired from sex feel like, and I’m naturally less sensitive than average.

I maintain my opinion that not all men with options act like horny 16-year-olds, nor do they necessarily have to be "unhealthy" for being different than you

Correct, but it’s the way things tend to play out. Men on platforms such as online dating in particular seem infinitely horny.

The women who want to split will find the men who want to split or are okay with splitting, and the women who want or expect men to pay will find the men who expect or want to pay.

If they have really strong opinions for no reason, maybe, but both intelligent, calculated people and people who act on a whim tend to be flexible when they realize there’s something they want, and they can do something to get it

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And yet, simping works sometimes. Not everyone is friendzoned.

Pathetic groveling and flattery has never worked to change a "no" into a "yes." A simp by definition is unassured and pathetic. These are not traits that arouse women.

There are some women who enjoy a degree of simping within the context of a relationship, for someone she's already into and said yes to.

I’m a relevant sample. I know what it feels like to be numb from sex, but this is not a long lasting feeling. I’m familiar with what death grip and being tired from sex feel like, and I’m naturally less sensitive than average.

I don't care how relevant you say you are, you're still just one person.

Correct, but it’s the way things tend to play out. Men on platforms such as online dating in particular seem infinitely horny.

When did I say anything about online dating??!!

Are the only men "with options" who exist on OLD?? I'd venture to say more of them aren't than who are.

If they have really strong opinions for no reason,

No one has "really strong opinions" for no reason

maybe, but both intelligent, calculated people and people who act on a whim tend to be flexible when they realize there’s something they want, and they can do something to get it

"If they don't behave the way I say they must then they're stupid." No, people can have morals and integrity and backbones regardless of how many "opportunities" they lose, especially when there are always other people who won't require them to change

Well it's been great chatting with you as usual

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I was today years old when i finally realised that men see women as prostitutes.

Comes from my satire post when one guy said that he will pay for a dinner if i’d agree to do what his dates agreed to, which was anal. (Pretty cheap if you ask me. 300 for anal + how many hour dinner and sex?). I pointed out that it’s prostitution, which got him super angry (not surprising, he thought that if he bought them it’s still probably out of “raw” desire?) and i said that is it was the deal it’s the deal, and it’s prostitution. We argued and of course it led nowhere, but that got me thinking. 1) that guy told me that i’m calling every woman who accepted a dinner date a prostitute 2) there was a guy who also said something of the sort 3) i remember a conversation i had with another guy about how “we both know” what a man expects if he pays, and if he buys latte and i don’t put out then I’m breaking my end of the deal….and i think it’s not that rare of a view. I remember some conversations like this in real life too (one of a ways to make sure for a guy that he wouldn’t have sex imo). They really think that women are prostitutes. Makes sense to get angry too, and call it discrimination, if they think it’s a business that doesn’t serve clients based on looks. I feel disgusted with them. Ew.

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Idk to me leveraging sex to get sex is fine. It’s literally just “we are both doing what we want to do.” I can’t imagine having an issue with this.

Passport bros comes across much more exploitative to me, like “I can get a poor woman to do what I want, now she’s dependent on me for a green card and/or income.” You don’t see how that’s worse?

I don’t think women mind men “punching above their weight” for other reasons, for example Pete Davidson or David Spade with humor.

I’d agree someone like Leo or Belichick get some criticism from women for leveraging money for sex. That would be a red flag that would keep me from dating them I guess but clearly they’re not interested in me anyway.

If I met a man and he slept with Margot Robbie or something because she wanted to have sex with him, I wouldn’t be like “oh wow well he went out of his lane, I can’t date him!” That’s not logical at all.

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Idk to me leveraging sex to get sex is fine. It’s literally just “we are both doing what we want to do.” I can’t imagine having an issue with this.

Of course you do, since you're a woman. You see no issue with leveraging what's available to you to get a better deal than you'd normally get. The same way a western man can go over to Jamaica or India or the Philippines and get a hotter, younger woman. Clearly no bias here.

If I met a man and he slept with Margot Robbie or something because she wanted to have sex with him, I wouldn’t be like “oh wow well he went out of his lane, I can’t date him!” That’s not logical at all.

Sure you would, if he's comparing you to Margot Robbie. He's still thinking about the hottest sex he ever had, with Margot Robbie. He's got trauma from being dumped by Margot Robbie and still wishes he was with her. This is literally the exact same thing.

Besides, women can not come down from their highest setting. That's why they feel like they're "settling" even when they get with their looksmatch a lot of the time. Men can and will go downwards, with no issues. Female hypergamy makes it so women just fundamentally can't do this without some resentment or bitterness.

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You know what I hate.

I hate podcasts and podcasters. These things have popped up like some invasive species of weed, and completely taken over the media ecosystem.

And the absolute worst offenders are the masculinity podcasters. I don't really give much fucks about Fresh and Fit types because I don't live in the West, but this cancer has now reached my country and we have podcasters giving stupid fucking self help advice on masculinity and how to be a man and how it's so tough to be a man.

And like, I enjoy a good self pity session as much as the next guy, but the way these podcasters glaze the idea of male suffering and how suffering makes a real man, is just too much. Fucking hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE these losers. Talentless hacks with nothing good to say just invite other grifters onto their podcasts and interview them. And then cut Instagram shorts about how to be a real man.

Like, just fuck off from my feed, please.

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Imagine you’ve been in a serious relationship with a guy who’s perfect on paper. He treats you amazingly, great chemistry... but he’s weirdly stingy. Your'e always splitting everything 50/50 and he basically acts like he’s broke.

But after almost a year into dating him you find out he’s actually loaded. Private-jet, multiple-properties rich. And every single ex? He paid for everything. Designer bags on the third date. Fully funded month-long trips to Bali. One girl got a brand new Mercedes at the 6-month mark. He literally rained gifts and money on every girl before you... but with you? It's dutch on appetizers.

How would that make you feel? Would you feel like you're being treated worse? Would you feel decieved? Humuliated?

You can't with a straight face tell me that you wouldn’t be upset. I doubt you would just shrug and say “his money, his business, not my concern.” and continue acting the same way towards that man.

Or picture this. You finally get your “dream job” at a company everyone kills for. Six-figure salary, unlimited PTO, corner office... except you find out every previous hire got a 100k signing bonus, company car, and four-day weeks. You? They “changed the policy” the day you started.

That’s the exact feeling many men get when they learn a woman was extremely sexually charitable (acts, enthusiasm, frequency, kinks, etc.) with past partners and not you... When the girl begging for a ring now suddenly “doesn’t do blowjobs,” “hates anal,” “isn’t that sexual anymore,” but used to let fuckboys and Tinder strangers film her choking on it, no dinner, no call-back, just a “thx” and a ghost. Now she expects the current guy to “wife her up,” lock her down with commitment.

The way you’d feel like you ranked lower on a man's provider/investment scale than the girls in his past. A man feels like he's ranked lower on her desire scale than the guys in her past. Men feel “Why was every other guy ‘worth’ that level of sexual generosity but I’m not?” You feel like your not worth what they gave them.

It’s not about “controlling your body.” It’s about not wanting to be the sucker who pays the highest price (lifelong commitment) for the girl who already gave away the deluxe edition for free.

Wanting the best version of your partner sexually, financially, emotionally reserved for someone who actually commits is self-respect not entitlement. Entitlement is expecting a lifetime warranty after giving out test drives to the whole city.

[–]Axis_ControlBlue Pill Woman 2 points3 points4 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the exact feeling many men get when they learn a woman was extremely sexually charitable (acts, enthusiasm, frequency, kinks, etc.) with past partners and not you... When the girl begging for a ring now suddenly “doesn’t do blowjobs,” “hates anal,” “isn’t that sexual anymore,” but used to let fuckboys and Tinder strangers film her choking on it, no dinner, no call-back, just a “thx” and a ghost. Now she expects the current guy to “wife her up,” lock her down with commitment.

With sex, you try stuff with a guy say but just because you have done it before doesn't mean you liked it. Anal might be painful and uncomfortable, it's not exactly natural. It would likely be not liking 1 of those things not all of them honestly.

Jobs and similar things are meant to be more equal treatment between staff.

Women might get different vibes from different guys and be open to different things with them. It doesn't have to be the same. Enthusiasm is also different between guys. Especially if the guy turns out to be sexually selfish or bad at sex she may become less enthusiastic or refuse to have sex with him again.

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That’s the exact feeling many men get when they learn a woman was extremely sexually charitable (acts, enthusiasm, frequency, kinks, etc.) with past partners and not you... When the girl begging for a ring now suddenly “doesn’t do blowjobs,” “hates anal,” “isn’t that sexual anymore,” but used to let fuckboys and Tinder strangers film her choking on it, no dinner, no call-back, just a “thx” and a ghost. Now she expects the current guy to “wife her up,” lock her down with commitment.

Sorry, but this whole concern seems to involve a far fetched scenario that doesn't warrant spending a lot of time worrying about.

For one, most kinky/varied sex is had in relationships, not ONS. I've hooked up quite a bit and I've almost never done anal in a ONS, but I've done it with most of the women I'm actually dating. Other acts are no different. That's not to say that there's never any kinkiness in a hookup, but in my experience women tend to be much more adventurous when you're actually dating.

As for the "isn't sexual anymore" part, again that concern seems overblown. Most couples have sex between the first and third date. You're going to quickly get a sense for whether you're compatible and can just walk away if it's not the right fit.

This whole thing also ignores the fact that a lot of relationships start as hookups. Hookup guys and relationship guys aren't two distinct groups.

Entitlement is expecting a lifetime warranty after giving out test drives to the whole city.

Poor logic. I've had lots of no strings sex (gave out a lot of test drives), but that's because it was in situations where there was no expectation of commitment. When I'm in a committed relationship and we've agreed to be exclusive, I expect both of us to honor that agreement. Two different situations.

[–]Lump_Hudson_667 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The scenario isn’t “far-fetched.”

It’s literally the default dead-bedroom origin story on every relationship sub in 2025.“

She used to do everything under the sun with her exes / in her hoe phase, now she’s ‘not that girl anymore’ and won’t even give head.” That post gets 300+ comments of dudes going “same” every single week.

I already know your argument to that. Those stories are fake. Sure, bro. The thousands of identical posts across r/DeadBedrooms, r/relationships, r/sex, r/AskMen, r/marriage are all written by the same 12 angry virgins with 50 alt accounts, right?

We’re talking 10+ years of archived threads. Consistent patterns from guys in their 20s to 50s, every country, every income bracket. Wives/girlfriends literally admitting it in the comments (“yeah I did wild stuff when I was younger but grew out of it”) Viral TikTok/Reddit confessions from women themselves bragging about the exact switch

But yeah, it’s all one giant coordinated LARP that somehow perfectly matches the survey data showing women 18–30 reporting record casual partners + record low marital sexual satisfaction.

You say most kink happens in relationships? Cool, then explain why half the women on TikTok and Reddit are openly bragging about their “I was a total slut in college / on girls trips” stories while simultaneously posting “my husband thinks I’m a prude lol.”

And yeah, a lot of relationships start as hookups... which makes it even worse when the girl who was doing backflips in bed on date #2 suddenly turns into a starfish the day she gets the “what are we?” talk locked down.

You’re not wrong that hookup guys and relationship guys overlap. The problem is the exact same girl can (and often does) give the hookup version of herself to Chad for six months of situationship.. then give the relationship version (vanilla, low-effort, “I need emotional safety”) to the nice guy who actually marries her.

That’s not “two different situations.” That’s the same girl rationing her peak sexuality based on how little commitment the guy is willing to give.

You’re basically arguing “I personally never saw it happen,” while the entire internet is flooded with men living it right now including a semi-famous comedian who's getting his life roasted over it.

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There are some extremes and bad parallels in there that I feel like need to be pointed out.

For one, tastes and values change with time. I don’t think it’s offensive that someone used to spend more hedonistically, and then later realized that’s not actually how they want to value their money. For some women they may even like that drama and challenge, see the stingy guy as an injured bird and want to try to fix him lol. Not my style but those women are out there.

Two, sex as a form of affection is a lot more variable dependent than spending money on your partner is. Sometimes you’re both in the mood at the same time and sometimes you’re not, and desire throughout a relationship is not static because circumstances and behavior are not static. In general there are a lot more external factors that can lower desire that don’t have to do with settling on looks. It’s not uncommon for couples to start off with more spontaneous desire in the honeymoon phase, for reasons I feel like should be common sense. Novelty and anticipation, you’re both still on your best behavior, nobody’s let themselves go or got complacent yet, no monotony that can come with a routine life and living together, etc..

Also if either of you are spending money anyway and you never want to spend a little more to be generous, that’s very odd and extreme. Frugal is not the same as stingy, so the stinginess is obviously a fear mindset. There’s not even any extra effort needed to spend a little more while you’re already spending the food money anyway, like there would be if you were trying to pick out a gift or something. So generosity can be effortless in normal purchases. The dude keeps up multiple properties, so clearly he likes to still spend some fun money on himself and isn’t stingy literally all the time. So that’d be weird as hell.

For the job example, I’m under no impression that the company changed the policy because they secretly didn’t like me in particular…they have the power to just hire someone that they like better than me. Companies don’t hand out sign on bonuses to you because they think you’re so awesome, everything is a calculation against the rest of the job market competition. That’s not personal, so why would I be personally offended?

It’s about not wanting to be the sucker who pays the highest price (lifelong commitment) for the girl who already gave away the deluxe edition for free.

In other words you think women do you a favor if they don’t care if they could have you for the long run? A woman’s commitment to wanting to live the rest of her life with you is low value? You may as well never seek LTRs then, if you think a woman wanting one with you is less valuable than casual sex. You can go be an eternal bachelor.

[–]Lump_Hudson_667 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Instead of writing all that you could've just said “tastes change” and “sex isn’t money,”.

All of your counter-points collapses the second you apply them evenly.

“Tastes change, maybe he just got frugal”

Cool. Then when a woman goes from “threesomes in club bathrooms” to “I don’t do oral, that’s gross,” that’s also just “tastes changing,” right? Funny how only one direction of change is ever considered valid.

“Desire isn’t static, honeymoon phase ends”

The complaint isn’t “sex slowed down after year 3.” The complaint is the wildest, most enthusiastic, most depraved version was given away casually and the husband gets the leftover vanilla scraps. Honeymoon phase with Chad lasted 6 years; honeymoon phase with hubby lasted 6 weeks.

“Generosity with money is effortless”

So is swallowing, bending over, or doing anything else she used to do for top-tier guys. Effort isn’t the issue. Who it’s given to is.

“Companies don’t owe you bonuses”

Exactly and women don’t owe men their peak sexual self either. But if a company suddenly cut every perk the day you walked in while bragging about how previous hires got the red-carpet treatment, you’d still feel like the designated loser. That’s the feeling. Stop pretending it doesn’t exist.

“You think a woman’s commitment is low value?”

I think a woman’s commitment is high value. I think a woman who already proved she’ll give the absolute best version of herself away for scraps is now trying to sell the husband the worst version at premium price.

You spent ten paragraphs proving you understand the sting when it’s money, Then did cartwheels to pretend it magically disappears when it’s sex.

[–]Axis_ControlBlue Pill Woman 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 1 point2 points3 points 7 months ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Cool. Then when a woman goes from “threesomes in club bathrooms” to “I don’t do oral, that’s gross,” that’s also just “tastes changing,” right?

Yeah this is the kind of extreme thinking I’m talking about. Nobody pretends to go from loving threesomes to hating oral because oral is so basic and vanilla, maybe use more believable examples if you want people to think you’re serious.

The complaint is the wildest, most enthusiastic, most depraved version was given away casually and the husband gets the leftover vanilla scraps.

You need to be specific with what you’re complaining about otherwise this is just you ranting. Like what, you found out she experimented with anal and now realizes she doesn’t really like it much? Nothing wrong with that, just like there’s nothing wrong with a guy becoming more frugal after realizing he doesn’t like to spend his money a certain way. Those are equivalent, non-extreme examples.

So is swallowing, bending over, or doing anything else she used to do for top-tier guys.

Actually no, spending a little extra money on top of what I’m already spending on a meal doesn’t involve me physically doing anything extra. There’s no emotional effect either, if we pretend I’m filthy rich like your example. Way less effort than me having to perform a sex act that physically and emotionally turns me off.

But if a company suddenly cut every perk the day you walked in while bragging about how previous hires got the red-carpet treatment, you’d still feel like the designated loser.

No I wouldn’t because it’s not personally about me since I didn’t cause the change. It’s a dirty rug pull of a market move but that doesn’t mean it’s about me being inferior to the previous hires.

I think a woman who already proved she’ll give the absolute best version of herself away for scraps

Right, the “absolute best version” of herself apparently is decided by how much long term commitment she got alongside certain sex acts, according to you. You’ve defined that commitment is a sacrifice men make in exchange for kinky sex. So if that’s so valuable to you, then go look for kinky casual sex. Problem solved.

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“Nobody pretends to go from loving threesomes to hating oral because oral is so basic”

Wrong. They absolutely do. It’s the #1 most common dead-bedroom story on every relationship sub. “I gave road-head on the first date to guys I barely knew, swallowed, filmed it, the whole circus... now with my fiancé I ‘just don’t feel like it anymore’ and oral ‘feels degrading.’” Half the internet is women bragging about their “hoe phase” where literally nothing was off-limits, then turning into nuns the day they lock down a provider.

The next thing you'll tell me is those aren't real. Okay yeah The entire r/DeadBedrooms front page is littered with guys posting exact timelines. “She used to [insert wild act] for exes, now she won’t even kiss me with tongue after 10 years.” The thousands of “my wife admitted she did XYZ with her ex but says she’s ‘not that girl anymore’” posts that get 500+ comments from other men going “same.” The “girls trip stories” and “I was a hoe in college” TikToks with millions of likes and comment sections full of women tagging friends saying “remember when we [redacted] in Cancun lol.” The 2022–2024 dating-app data leaks and surveys showing women 18–29 reporting way more casual partners and kinkier experiences than the previous generation, followed by the highest dead-bedroom rates ever recorded once married.

This entire thread started with me literally handing women their own emotions on a silver platter

“Here’s exactly how YOU would feel if a guy did the downgrade to you. Now you know how a ton of men feel when women do it on the sex side.”

I wasn't attacking woman. I was using the one scenario I know will instantly click for most women. Yet instead of going “damn… yeah, that would suck the other way too,” everyone's spent 800+ words doing this...

Demanding I “use more believable examples” (like I made it up) Telling me I’m “extreme” and “ranting”

Nitpicking oral vs anal vs threesomes. Insisting nobody actually does this. Basically treating the post like I’m some bitter dude screaming at women personally

Your getting mad that the mirror is too clear and trying to smash it by making the guy holding it sound crazy.

I’m not the one who made it personal. You did, the second you shifted from “is the analogy fair?” to “you’re extreme, nobody does that, you need therapy.” If the shoe doesn’t fit, scroll.

But the fact you’re still here writing essays trying to discredit me instead of just admitting “yeah, getting the budget version would hurt either way” tells everyone exactly whose past this hit a little too close to.

[–]Corbast7Blue woman / Feminist + Leftist / no war but class war 0 points1 point2 points 7 months ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They absolutely do. It’s the #1 most common dead-bedroom story on every relationship sub. “I gave road-head on the first date to guys I barely knew, swallowed, filmed it, the whole circus... now with my fiancé I ‘just don’t feel like it anymore’

That phrasing is so male coded lol, but yes dude I’m sure all those raunchy advice stories by “women” are genuine and that men have timelines on their “fiancées” old passionate sexcapades in excruciating detail for some reason. I can fully imagine that you believe every inflammatory story you see on the internet is true and that nothing is ever exaggerated, botted, or creatively written for engagement that keeps you scrolling it. It’s also not even relevant to the other points I made directly answering your analogy.

If you’re going to keep fixating on that though then at least ask yourself, do you know couples like this in your personal life? Couples you know who have had these problems irl outside of your screen? The people who are in your company are the most honest examples to look at. Not the tiktok and reddit rage algorithm.

The 2022–2024 dating-app data leaks and surveys showing women 18–29 reporting way more casual partners and kinkier experiences than the previous generation, followed by the highest dead-bedroom rates ever recorded once married.

When I googled this I only saw sources that said that the literal opposite of what you’re saying here. That gen Z is still in a sex recession compared to millennials and older. So maybe link to what you’re talking about?

Yet instead of going “damn… yeah, that would suck the other way too,” everyone's spent 800+ words doing this...

Dude I answered the rest of your questions that you’re conveniently ignoring for some reason. I saw other women here point out a lot of the same holes in your post that I did. Is the problem that your scenarios comparing sex to money and job bonuses aren’t really the great parallels that you thought they were? So now you don’t like that you didn’t get the reaction you were hoping for? Because you’ve gone off topic.

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Cool, then commitment isn’t a reward for sex

Correct.

Glad we agree relationships are transactional

You're arguing that viewing sex as not a reward necessitates this conclusion?

Congrats, you’re the unicorn 0.1%

Lying, unicorn. Knew it would be something.

until you remember you’re also not entitled to his money, time, protection.

Correct. I also don't want his money or protection.

Yet here you are expecting all of the above while offering the budget bedroom experience.

Nope, now you're just pulling stuff out your ass. You know nothing about what I expect or what kind of sex I'll have.

You admit you’d feel entitled to the signing bonus and company car. You just think men should eat the L silently when the roles are reversed.

Nope, if a man gets shafted by a company that he's hired by, he can feel as righteously angry as he wants! I disagree obviously that this is analogous to what sex acts women might want to perform in a relationship.

[–]Lump_Hudson_667 -1 points0 points1 point 7 months ago (7 children) | Copy Link

“Correct. I also don’t want his money or protection.”
Cool. So you’re voluntarily single, child-free, splitting rent 50/50 forever, and have zero plans to ever marry or lean on a man for anything.

...Thought so. You’re still in the dating market expecting some dude to eventually wife you up, give you his last name, his time, his resources, and probably his kids. All while bringing the “I’m not that sexual” energy you learned was safer after the fuckboy era.

That’s the transaction, genius. You want the full husband package without bringing the full girlfriend experience. That’s literally the definition of eating your cake and having it too.

And yeah, you keep saying the analogy isn’t perfect because admitting it is would force you to confront that you’re asking men to quietly accept the exact downgrade you’d never accept yourself.

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Cool, so you’re a 100% self-sufficient, child-free, no-last-name, equal-or-nothing, voluntarily-celibate-for-12-years unicorn who’s never held back a single sex act and pays her parents’ bills too. You’re basically a Reddit myth that posts. If everything you just typed is true, then congratulations. This entire analogy literally does not apply to you at all.

You’re not the target audience. You’re the 0.0001% exception that proves the rule. Yet here you are, three replies deep, writing manifestos defending women who DO want his money, his ring, his kids, his last name, his protection

DO switch from “swallow for strangers” to “I need emotional connection for missionary” the day they meet a provider and WOULD lose their minds if they discovered they’re the only girlfriend getting 50/50 while every ex got spoiled

You’re not arguing from your life. You're defending the women who live the exact opposite of everything you just claimed. That’s why it feels personal. Because you know damn well the analogy is dead-on for 95% of the dating market, and you’re doing Olympic-level mental gymnastics to pretend it isn’t.

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You’re mental gymnastics are pretending the downgrade

It's a problem to view a change in someone's behavior so personally. Maybe she tried anal and just doesn't like it so that's why she doesn't want to do it. It doesn't mean her committed man is a "downgrade." Similarly, a man can throw around his money when he first starts earning a lot but then becomes more frugal, and so spending less money on a future woman isn't a downgrade.

It's one thing if a girl is too prude for you, or a guy isn't generous enough for you. Maybe it's just an incompatibility. But if you're happy with the relationship but then get in your own head if you find out they treated a past partner differently - I'd say thats immaturity, insecurity, and jealousy at play. And such emotions don't change the underyling principle that you are not entitled to your partner's past behavior and it might be stupid to blow up the relationship over it.

doesn’t sting exactly the same way in both directions.

And the problem I have with this is your assumptions that men and women are so different that comparing gifts to sex is more analogous than comparing sex to sex.

If a woman is attracted to her partner and wants to have sex with him, do you really think that her becoming insecure if she finds out her bf seemed a lot more sexually into his last girlfriend isn't the better analogy here?

[–]Lump_Hudson_6671 point 7 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

“maybe she just tried anal and doesn’t like it anymore”

Sure, and maybe the rich guy ‘tried’ flying exes first-class all paid vacations and buying them Birkins but now he decides he doesn’t like it anymore either. The girl he's with would still feel like the designated budget bitch.

The “insecurity and jealousy” cope only ever gets trotted out when it’s the man feeling downgraded. When women discover they’re the downgrade girlfriend, it’s suddenly “red flag, manipulation, love-bombing the exes.”

And no, the better analogy isn’t “woman jealous her bf was more sexual with an ex.” Because that actually happens both ways and nobody pretends it’s fine.

The real mirror is a woman finds out boyfriend used to drop 10k on vacations and jewelry for exes. She feels worthless. Man finds out girlfriend used to do every depraved act under the sun for exes. He feels worthless.

It's the exact same sting. You just don’t like admitting it because it kills the “sex isn’t transactional” argument.

[–]SleepyPoemsin20204 points 7 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And no, the better analogy isn’t “woman jealous her bf was more sexual with an ex.” Because that actually happens both ways and nobody pretends it’s fine.

So, the better analogy to men feeling hurt about his partner's past sexual behavior isn't when women is hurt about her partner's past sexual behavior? Oh really?

The real mirror is a woman finds out boyfriend used to drop 10k on vacations and jewelry for exes. She feels worthless. Man finds out girlfriend used to do every depraved act under the sun for exes. He feels worthless.

It's the exact same sting. You just don’t like admitting it because it kills the “sex isn’t transactional” argument.

It's not necessarily, though. What you all don't seem to get is that women like sex. They may be more cautious with it, but they generally want to have sex. Unless they be gold digging, they are not trading sex for resources. They're having sex because they want to and want that type of relationship their guy. And if the woman is gold digging well...she won't be hurt, just pissed lmao.

[–]ta060120221 point 7 months ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That’s the exact feeling many men get when they learn a woman was extremely sexually charitable (acts, enthusiasm, frequency, kinks, etc.) with past partners and not you... When the girl begging for a ring now suddenly “doesn’t do blowjobs,” “hates anal,” “isn’t that sexual anymore,” but used to let fuckboys and Tinder strangers film her choking on it, no dinner, no call-back, just a “thx” and a ghost. Now she expects the current guy to “wife her up,” lock her down with commitment.

Sorry, but this whole concern seems to involve a far fetched scenario that doesn't warrant spending a lot of time worrying about.

For one, most kinky/varied sex is had in relationships, not ONS. I've hooked up quite a bit and I've never done anal in a ONS, but I've done it with women I'm actually dating. Other acts are no different. That's not to say that there's never any kinkiness in a hookup, but in my experience women tend to be much more adventurous when you're actually dating.

As for the "isn't sexual anymore" part, again that concern seems overblown. Most couples have sex between the first and third date. You're going to quickly get a sense for whether you're compatible and can just walk away if it's not the right fit.

This whole thing also ignores the fact that a lot of relationships start as hookups. Hookup guys and relationship guys aren't two distinct groups.

Entitlement is expecting a lifetime warranty after giving out test drives to the whole city.

Poor logic. I've had lots of no strings sex (gave out a lot of test drives), but that's because it was in situations where there was no expectation of commitment. When I'm in a committed relationship and we've agreed to be exclusive, I expect both of us to honor that agreement. Two different situations.

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In reality, one woman might want a dude for casual sex. And another woman wants that same dude for a relationship.

Yeah but not exactly. Yes, therr are some cases where it happens as you say, but there are SOME men that can get casual sex easily with many women (yes, not all, I have to highlight it for reddit autist women who take everything literaly) and therr are A LOT of men who cant get casual if their life depends on it. So they need something extra to entice a woman, since they dint have enough raw sexappeal to get sex just by existing.

That "this guy is 10/10 for me and 2/10 for my best friend" bullshit reddit women say its exactly that, bullshit.

There are minority of men who are attractive to 99.9% of women, there are some of us who are atratctie to majority (OBJECTIVE good looking traits), some are so-so, and many who are not attractvie at all

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No, again this is stupid missunderstanding and taking shallow approach to it.

Needing to be in a relationship to get sex, and not being able to entice primal sexual desire from women withouy offering something else (transactional) is beta, and BEING ABLE to have a lot of casual partners that are happy to engage in just that, casual sex without you bringing any other value except your sexappeal is "alpha".

So, depending on your desires in life at that time, you can choose what you want, a serious parnter with a best possible girl you choose, or having a lot of girls. The truth of life is - majority of me WHO CAN PULL IT OFF, eill engage in a lot of casual sex with different hot girl , at least in some period of time. They they choose the best one and settle

There is a reason why majority of movie stars, singers, athletes.. fucking around in some period of their life. Because they just can

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CROSSPOST FROM A TRUE OFF MY CHEST SUB

I genuinely love my fiancé and I'm going to spend the rest of my life with him, but sometimes I quietly fantasize that our sex life is better.

My fiancé is really the best man I have ever met. He is sweet, funny, handsome, intelligent, and he treats me more than well. I love him more than anyone ever. We have been together for almost 6 years, engaged last year and plan to marry in July.
There is only one think that I am a bit sad about, and you can guess it from the title.

Our sex life has never been very good. At the beginning of the relationship, it was even quite bad. Over time, as a result of trial and error and communication, the quality has increased significantly. However, we probably reached a pletau in this matter somewhere after 2-3 years of relationship and it has stayed that way (and not for the lack of trying from both of us, belive me). Don't get me wrong, sex isn't bad, but it is... mediocre.

On paper, everything is fine, we have sex a couple times a week, we both usually have orgasms, my fiancé is very satisfied, but "that something" is just missing. I know it sounds a bit silly, but that's how I feel. I've had other sexual partners in my life and I kind of know how good sex can be. But currently it is usually not. To be honest, at this stage I have already accepted it. As I wrote, I love my fiancé more than anything or anyone, and I've decided that I'm willing to sacrifice great sex for everything else. Despite this, sometimes, like today, I fantasize a little about a better sex life.

(sorry for any weird grammar or errors, english is not my first language)

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Some perspective:

1) People on Reddit are trolls

2) At best, you’re arguing with a woman who has mentioned she’s high N, 40+ years old, microdoses on the weekends, and seems to have nearly no standards for who she sleeps with other than “personality”

3) Women have casual sex on “easy mode”. If she’s easy to please, high libido, willing to approach guys, and open to hookups, then the guys she’ll find who are probably relatively attractive compared to her will be a really fun time.

4) High N women are more likely to be on the “easy to please” side of the spectrum. The guys they complain about probably are truly annoying in bed. However, if you’re the type of person who can consistently give a partner orgasms without thinking about it too much, then what women complain about on Reddit will likely make no sense to you.

5) If I had to give you a point of reference for the most annoying types of guys to sleep with, picture if you ended up in bed with a guy who called you the N word in a Call of Duty lobby, or some random guy from 4chan. Likely someone who is a bit mentally off from the general population compared to who you’d find at your local Starbucks.

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Why would the two of us, who love each other so much that we decided to build our lives together for the rest of our lives decide to do the thing we both want?

You're avoiding the question, which is 'why do you want that?' I posit that it's the same reason most men don't want their girlfriends to have slept with lots of men before them.

And how would “your girlfriend” know she was “yours” (like she’s some sort of property)

Come on bro, it's common for women to say 'he's mine and I'm his', don't be silly

before she even knew you existed? What’s so special about you that women around the world need to hold off on the idea you might meet them one day?

It's not me, it's your future partner who you should save yourself for so that the person you spend the rest of your life with has a more special relationship with you than if you shared yourself with people carelessly? Now, you don't know who this person might end up being or sure, but it's not hard to avoid wracking up a 3 digit body count or whatever.

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What part of “because we love each other” is confusing?!

And it absolutely IS you. Let’s say you meet the most amazing girl. You two are amazing together, do all sorts of things but it just doesn’t work out. Well actually turns out, years later you meet someone even more amazing, more beautiful and she loves the same things you do. According to you the only right thing for you’re do is ignore her cause some other girl got some incredible experiences with you in the past so there’s no point in her wasting her time risking not being the best with you.

Who cares if she’s hotter than any other woman love ever met, you ruined yourself by dealing in love before.

You see how stupid that sounds. Oh but “it’s different” when it’s you tho? Why? What makes you do unique?

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