What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?

SmurfESmurferson · 2019-03-12T15:49:00+00:00

You'll get a lot of hamstering about paternity, women's ability to pair bond, etc. But the truth of the matter is that some guys just have a visceral "ew" reaction to women who have high N counts - everything else is just trying to justify that response

Plenty of guys don't care at all, or very little. IME, guys don't care about the number so much as how his partner is perceived by his peer group - don't come across as a slut, and you'll be fine

blackedoutfast · 2019-03-12T18:40:27+00:00

if sluts want to slut, that's fine. the problem is that sluts think sluttiness shouldn't count against them when it's time to get a more monogamous LTR. sorry sweetie, but actions have consequences.

relationships are based on compromises and tradeoffs. men in a LTR know that they'll need to give the woman time and attention and emotional support and buy her things and shit like that. but in return, he is (hopefully) getting regular sex without a lot of effort.

but what is a slut? she's a woman who regularly gives out sex to dudes without requiring all that relationshippy stuff from them. but when that slut is in a LTR with a guy, she is going to expect her boyfriend to give her time and attention and all that other stuff. he basically has to "pay" to get what she was giving away to lots of other guys for free.

so there's no logical reason for a man to be in a serious relationship with a slut. why pay for something that you can get for free. have sex with her and use her as a slut, but don't have a serious relationship with her.

Modernlaugh · 2019-03-12T21:30:45+00:00

“Stop slut shaming” But “Men who don’t want sluts are insecure”

Lol the hypocrisy

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2019-03-13T05:16:41+00:00

Okay, so one of my plates had a body count of 32 ... at 23!! That's fucking insane. She was shooting for a relationship, but once she told me that, it was instantly over. Plate status.

Why does it matter?

Besides the visceral ew factor, it let's me know a lot about her, none of which is positive. But mainly, I want a woman that shares the same outlook on sex as me. Its supposed to be an intimate bonding experience. A woman with a 30+ body count let's me know right off the back that we don't share the same values. She doesn't see sex the way I do. I don't want a woman like that.

rabbitholemystery · 2019-03-12T18:57:21+00:00

So many slut threads

If you wanna be a slut, be a slut

Take dick and shut up.

And don’t give up a few years later and become some born again virgin charging $100 for admission when others were getting in for free through the back.

gunbusterxl · 2019-03-12T16:45:28+00:00

I dislike anyone who sleeps around, regardless of gender. #1 reason I'm not redpilled.

Is it immoral to be a slut? Idk, that's debatable, and mostly depends on the person's values. Morality itself is just a human construct, and ultimately meaningless. If being called a slut/thot bothers you, then maybe you should spend some time to reflect on why it does.

rus9384 · 2019-03-12T15:59:17+00:00

Do you want to get married? No? Too bad. For the purposes of this example, you do. Of course you do, the majority of women do. They may not say as much, but in the end most of them end up that way and push for increasing commitment.

Yet, few women would want to get married to a guy who has already been married 3 or 4 times. What about something preposterous like having been married 15 times? Wow, that would truly be repellent. If only there could be a word for such men. Let's call the "commitment-sluts".

It should be obvious at this point in the analogy that wanting a thing (sex, commitment, marriage, whatever) while disdaining people who evince too casual an attitude towards that thing - in effect devaluing it - is perfectly logical.

It is logical to want to get money while disliking people who toss money in the gargage or spend it frivolously on a pack of bounders and cads who they mistake for friends.

It is logical to be concerned with your own career prospects while being wary of applicants who have had 47 jobs in the past year.

Like it or not, how and when and with whom a person has sex is indicative of their values.

A woman who has tons of casual sex probably doesnt have great values.

HostileErectile · 2019-03-13T05:42:18+00:00

I dont mind sluts, but i wont date them seriously ever. And this comes from a guy who bangs sluts on the regular. Sluts are easy, and the girls I’m making real relationships are not easy. I’m a high standard male and I want the same in women.

Electra_Cute · 2019-03-12T17:34:02+00:00

People from more puritan/conservative cultures seem to think this is a problem. It seems to be highly tied to religious/patriarchal(which are almost the same) structures and ideas such as value in virginity and chastity.

darudeboysandstorm · 2019-03-12T17:04:29+00:00

There is none, there is something morally wrong with weak minded men who support thots instead of themselves and their families because they have become disillusioned or addicted to the transactions ect.

There is nothing morally wrong with being homeless, but when they ask for my money I usually tell them to fuck off. Same thing with young chicks who post thirst traps on the internet.

mydikishomofobik · 2019-03-12T16:03:00+00:00

Do a lot of men really complain about thots and sluts? I think a lot guys are angry if promiscuous women reject them or if they think she's their gf but she's fucking other guys. Other than that, I don't think most guys care that much.

Barely-moral · 2019-03-12T18:12:58+00:00

No moral fault at all. Still, men are free to reject those women or any woman for any reason. Even if the woman in question has no moral flaw at all. There is no need to asign moral value to the ammount of sex a woman has in order to reject her or find her not suitable as a potential partner.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2019-03-12T16:03:27+00:00

But muh traditional family /s

That's a non-argument that is hilarious coming from people whose lean highly individualistic. The traditional family structure in a lot of places is much more communal and collective.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-03-12T16:43:30+00:00

Honestly, is more of a yuck reaction about imagining the girl getting fucked by some other dude.

[deleted] · 2019-03-12T17:15:45+00:00

Why, if a woman tells me she had sex with 40 guys, I need to think 'whoa a slut' and not 'oh cool'?

You don't need to think it, but I think it. I think "not cool" because it puts images in my head of other guys she's slept with and makes me feel less special

I believe one of the roads to true sexual liberation is not assigning any moral value to the amount of sex you have.

I'm me. I like having lots of sex. I don't like dating women who have. I don't care if it's hypocritical, because I refuse to sacrifice my contentment for consistency.

ScootsScoots · 2019-03-12T18:36:42+00:00

It shows a tendency to risky low reward behavior. It's a self destructive lifestyle for a female.

What is the morale problem with heroin use? Meh, not a whole lot if they aren't hurting anyone else but that's not usually the case. They are usually TEARING APART their family,using people for drug money, etc. Sluts do the same exact shit. They drag people down into their cycle of bullshit.

It's basically a risky investment if a guy is thinking about committing. You gonna risk everything you worked for all these years on a girl who's done nothing but sleep around but is now totally like for real a good girl? Didnt think so.

BigMadLad · 2019-03-13T07:08:57+00:00

My problem is not with the slut/thot herself but rather any change in behavior. The second she gets upset for being called that or tries to "get right" and go monogamous after her slut phase is having her cake and eating it too. If a woman in her 40s says "yea I was a slut in college, still am", im completely cool with that. But you can't have your vag become roast beef and then complain when you get called out for it or get upset later why you cant get a husband. Thats like complaining about injuries after you had a career in sports- it comes with the territory and you made the choice to live life a certain way, so you must live the consequences.

gopher_glitz · 2019-03-13T08:14:43+00:00

Promiscuous women are promiscuous for a reason, those reasons make for bad investment.

[deleted] · 2019-03-13T11:39:37+00:00

They don't exactly make good wives for starters.

They're very likely to get discouraged in their 30s & 40s and settle down for a simp (but the pool of simps is decreasing) whom they then cheat on a year or 2 down the line.

There's no absolute natural moral fault for a woman who has sex with a lot of men (only Chads or whatever).

There IS a religious moral fault for women who have sex with someone who's not their husband. But that's a different thing.

But we already know (AND PPD CONFIRMS it constantly) that most "thots" secretly hope they can secure the continued commitment and exclusivity of a Chad if they fuck him and don't do it only out of physical attraction.

And giving in to (or offering herself to) guys with a lot of options is not a good way to get a partner.

Sex is not as important for those guys, it's closer to being just an itch to scratch. If they don't fuck Woman A this week, they'll fuck Woman B the next.

tuffrakkit · 2019-03-12T16:17:23+00:00

Many of us don't want closet sluts who are masquerading as reformed great potential mother material. We just don't think people change that much. Whatever made sluts sluts... isn't going away over the course of a woman's life.

Pretending like two comparably attractive women of the same age, but one with n=3 and the other n=30 don't have blatantly obvious differences in personality is beyond dumb.

Eastuss · 2019-03-12T15:48:22+00:00

I keep saying men complain about these

Well yes you keep saying this, I don't see them so often.

Workaholico · 2019-03-12T16:01:07+00:00

What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?

None. If you are not religious that is. But I will not enter the religious debate. It is worthless.

I keep saying men complain about these, while at the same devising strategies to get sex.

Your keep saying the wrong thing. An advice does not mean you are doing something amoral. Just that you are doing a counterproductive behavior.

I'm not sure how they can exist in the same world - where women are both easy but you need a lot of practice to get sex. It reeks of "Slut is a woman who has sex with everyone but you".

I am not sure the definition of slut or thots, but I know that high n count women are considered bad partners for LTRs by men on a genetic level just like a low n count male is considered bad for anything to women. If you wanna LTRs in the future being high n count is counterproductive. You can have sex or even become whatever you want, those people are just warning the consequences of your choices.

I know some people use others as sex objects (I was used by a woman), but that is a different and doesn't necessarily involve 'women who have lots of sex'. STD's are an issue, but it's not a moral issue. I don't go to sick people and tell them they failed morally.

No moral issue, like we always say in TRP, face reality, choices have consequences. Those men are just trying to help those women which want LTRs. So much so that you will never hear anything from a man if the woman states that she has no intention in having LTRs. No LTRs interests, no problem in being high n count.

So what is the problem?

Counter productive behavior.

Why, if a woman tells me she had sex with 40 guys, I need to think 'whoa a slut' and not 'oh cool'?

You don't need to, but the fact is that most of the men will think of them as being not so good for relationships.

PS. 40 partners is not exactly my definition of a slut. I think of the 100-200 range by 35 years of age. Which are like the top 5% of women.

I believe one of the roads to true sexual liberation is not assigning any moral value to the amount of sex you have.

We don't assign value, but the market has its own. you cannot change that, it is a fact.

rxbDJ · 2019-03-12T16:07:33+00:00

Because it’s a hard preference and a lot of times you can date a bunch of people and the one you wind up liking turns out to be the sluttiest

It’s like it’s hard enough to even get and keep someone and then you have to compromise against yourself which makes your pool nearly nothing

You can convince yourself it’s 2019 and sexual liberation blah blah but you just wind up lying to yourself is what happened to me it’s an unchanging hard preference but it’s not morally wrong on her part idk religiously I believe in sin but sin is against yourself and your own soul and one big sin is to judge others harshly

whichbladeN · 2019-03-12T16:31:18+00:00

Perhaps the disgust factor comes from a perception of lots of sex being dirty. In the same way most people feel a communal shower is dirty. Gotta wear shoes.

They always say that when you have sex with someone, you're having sex with all their partners, and those partner's partners as well.

decoy88 · 2019-03-12T19:18:02+00:00

Some people think they’re gross. Personally I feel the opposite. They tend to be more fun company, have the best stories, and more likely to fuck you.

Like a famous poet said “I love dem hos”

DaphneDK42 · 2019-03-13T01:09:30+00:00

"Moral value" - I've never heard anybody (outside various islamshitostans) assigning morality to promiscuity. I wonder how far back we have to go for this to be a common theme in the West. The 1950s? But no, not really. The Victoria Era perhaps. They greatly valued female virginity, but not sure they made it a question about morals.

The-Wizard-of-Oz- · 2019-03-13T13:03:16+00:00

None whatsoever.

There are simply a bad choice for a long term relationship.

Most men would sleep with Sluts. It's kinda exiting actually.

Secondly, there is evolutionary wiring inside a man's head that keeps him away with an utmost hate/revulsion (I can't really describe it) [with exceptions, read: those into hotwie practices] when your woman feels urges to bang other guys. You only want to be raising your genes' remember?

Oh, yes, and social value. Ie peer group perceptions.

Someone already mentioned the gem : some women you get into relationships with & others you just fuck. (even women have this. It's just buy displayed that we'll)

azngirl7689 · 2019-03-12T18:34:15+00:00

Their problem is that that thots and sluts aren't fucking them. It's a butthurt reaction to being rejected.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-03-12T16:30:47+00:00

Ugggh….it must be another Tuesday.

A PPD post lamenting that Granny was right and quality men will not wife up a slut.....

You know Granny wasn't just out-of-touch and wasn't "spilling the realz" to hear herself talk....she was delivering the deal and you should have paid heed.

It isn't reddit, TRP, manosphere, or PPD....it is simply the wider community and it isn't going to change.

Sir_Koopaman · 2019-03-12T19:47:07+00:00

Girls who sleep around tend to be less reliable partners because of lower impulse control and lower FTO. Not saying this is always the case, but more often than not my statement holds true.

Think about it: what demographic has the largest number of single mothers? And think about what type of culture promotes this behavior.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-03-12T15:50:42+00:00

Why would you care what other people think or tell you to think if you dont think it?

GradualDecomp · 2019-03-12T15:50:47+00:00

Morals are personal, not universal.

Some people hate sluts because they're jealous. Others because they think they're yucky. Others because they're religion or cultural teachings told them to.

And of course plenty of people don't give a shit.

kj1114 · 2019-03-12T16:48:00+00:00

it’s a woman that can’t be controlled that’s the moral problem for men lol

rosacanina_ · 2019-03-12T18:36:44+00:00

Thots is instagram models?

GridReXX · 2019-03-12T19:33:23+00:00

“Moral” is honestly feelings based.

Some people just think they’re gross and call it “moral” to feel like more of an authority.

German-pussyfucker · 2019-03-12T20:06:46+00:00

Whats the difference between thots and sluts?

maljo24 · 2019-03-12T21:18:35+00:00

Practice makes perfect.

ZodiacBrave98 · 2019-03-12T21:34:53+00:00

The most directly 'moral' question is, what if all women are like her? What happens?

We saw the other day that women don't like men treating sex as a reward for good behavior. But sex is one of the largest motivating factors for men.

The question becomes if sex is free, does society suffer? And if so should women be held 'morally' accountable. Whatever that might mean.

positivityatgunpoint · 2019-03-12T22:47:06+00:00

I don't think there is a moral problem with sluts, it's more that they're high risk for those who want a long-term relationship.

SkookumTree · 2019-03-13T03:31:28+00:00

There's some argument that sluts deplete the commons by having a lot of partners and decreasing the ability of human beings to pair-bond. This applies to sluts of both genders. There's also the argument that sluts harm themselves and that this harm is somehow bad for society as a whole. Also religious arguments. Those could all be applied to men as well though.

Bntt89 · 2019-03-13T17:21:36+00:00

Nothing is wrong with sluts we all know there is nothing wrong the guys who are complaining are ones who get none. But women also shame them too which is a big problem. The thing most guys say is we don’t care about a women being a slut but they are not the standard for a relationship. But, I means it’s pretty awesome I kinda wish women would stop lying about sex being some sacred thing. So incels wouldn’t believe it. I think it shakes a a lot of males perspectives too. For a long time I thought girls were these innocent super kind people. Then I realize they were just people. But I will play devils advocate.

I think the major thing is it confuses some men. If you want to act like sex is a prize with the said girl, then why do they run train so easily. The truth is guys think all women are either all sluts or all prude. I think some guys just want consistency so they know how to get all girls. Truth be told most guys would love to have bunch of casual sex then have a good LTR with a low body count girl.

That being said though I don’t think it’s s norm for women to have high body counts. If they do in most cases there are probably some issues. One girl that I hook up with casually, wanted me to rape her after she said she wouldn’t have sex at the moment. After that I stopped talking to her. It isn’t normal for a women to have such a high body count.

SeemedGood · 2019-03-14T03:23:36+00:00

No moral problem at all. There’s just a strong negative correlation between women’s n-count and thir ability to successfully pair-bond.

So high n-count women are great for casual sex partners but not so great for relationship partners.

Whisper · 2019-03-14T06:04:01+00:00

Who said there was one?

krypticNexus · 2019-03-14T08:30:15+00:00

There is no moral problem with sluts. "Ewww" doesn't dictate morality.

Problem is with the practical implications of sluts, if they're slutty, maybe they're more inclined to cheat. That would be a moral problem. But that's not exclusive to sluts, and there are sluts that can be loyal.

In general, I think it's just risk aversion that guys don't like sluts.

faissaloo · 2019-03-16T16:46:22+00:00

Sluts are just another example of unthinking pathological hedonism, sex and its consequences are extremely complex.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-03-12T15:50:32+00:00

Single motherhood, breakdown of the nuclear family, and the end of the social system that made the west what it is

goatismycopilot · 2019-03-12T16:41:00+00:00

There is not a moral problem, the only time men in PPD really complain about sluts is if said sluts are banging other guys who are not them.

insertthrowaway998 · 2019-03-12T18:45:05+00:00

None, the men who complain about the sluts and thots are usually the ones who aren’t getting casual sex from them. I got no problem with shallow people, I’m just sad I’m not good enough to be wanted.

reluctantly_red · 2019-03-12T19:33:42+00:00

if a woman tells me she had sex with 40 guys, I need to think 'whoa a slut' and not 'oh cool'?

Lots of over 30 women have numbers in that ballpark (not that they're advertising it). I'd be concerned if I met a 30 year old woman with less than 10 prior partners.

Willow-girl · 2019-03-13T11:59:13+00:00

Sluts are serving their own imperative, not the male one. This tends to make some men nervous ...

fuckdr11 · 2019-03-12T19:16:23+00:00

I don't have any moral problem with them, and I'm glad that they exist.

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AnonoForReasons · 2019-03-12T15:50:00+00:00

I see your mistake.

Women are sluts whether or not they sleep with me. A good number women who have slept with were sluts and I knew it going in o it (most of the time).

ifeelfuckingterrible · 2019-03-12T17:37:39+00:00

Nobody except religious zealots say that being a slut is immoral. Guys talk shit about sluts because they aren't good for relationships.

Title	What IS the moral problem with 'sluts' and 'thots'?
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Date	March 12, 2019 3:45 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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