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[–]d_nijmegen 2963 points2964 points2965 points 6 years ago (239 children) | Copy Link
Cheers! Accountability! I love it!
[–]erapuer 1567 points1568 points1569 points 6 years ago (129 children) | Copy Link
I knew a guy who's baby mama stayed in the apartment they lived in after they broke up. She had the kids with her most of the time but he would come and visit on weekends. The apartment building she lived in belonged to his parents so she lived rent and utility free and he would give her like $1000/month cash to help out with the kids. She demanded more, took him to court and got them to up it to $1500/month. His family told her to find a new place to live. The apartment she was living in for free normally rents for $1800/month...
[–]koukijimbob1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (102 children) | Copy Link
Damn she had it made and then decided to be petty, what a fucking retard
[–]Doge_Is_Dead 165 points166 points167 points 6 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Black Phillip was right, they have no discernible quality other than having a pussy.
[–]rhoo31313 70 points71 points72 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
God I miss Patrice...
[–]maybe_you_wrong 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That man is a treasure, at least we still have the black philip shows
[–]UncleMadness 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Black Phillip needs to stop going around offering the taste of butter and pretty dresses all the time
[–]MuayThaiYogi 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Onlyfans proves this point to be true..
[–]Born_on_the_bay-7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Meet other women bro...I feel awful for that POV you have lol
[–]Doge_Is_Dead5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Hope being a simp works out for you.
[–]DJCHERNOBYL1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (94 children) | Copy Link
That's the typical woman
[–]Meathead89gonzo 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The broke women hustle. Typical AF
[–]JohnnyG30 114 points115 points116 points 6 years ago (59 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that’s spoken like a 14 year old that’s never actually dealt with women. I love browsing some of these stories on this sub and watching smug feminazis get a dose of reality; but don’t act like this is all women. That shit just makes you looks like an incel.
[–]beaver1602 96 points97 points98 points 6 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
Or someone that went through an awful divorce. My homie was married to this chick and she was nuts. Wouldn’t let him see friends. Wouldn’t leave his side 24/7. She got a job where he works so she could be around him more literally wouldn’t leave him alone. Sure enough they had a kid and 5 years after that she divorcees him. He has to pay $1,000 in child support and $1,000 in alimony. She has a nice apartment and living the dream dating drug dealers and shit. Meanwhile he can only afford an apartment in a less than ok neighborhood now and she won’t let him see his kid unless he goes to her his parents house because his house is in such an unsafe location. Dude hates woman so much after this one day just stated he was bisexual and now only fucks dudes. I think that woman just broke him cause that man hates woman now.
[–]jcutta54 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
We have a family friend that got divorced. 2 kids she made something like $90k a year, he made around $20 an hour. When they divorced he was ordered to pay $1500 a month in child support nearly half of his gross income. He was basically poor while she went on to buy a huge new house and live the good life, and made him drive over an hour each way to see the kids because she refused to drive them anywhere to meet him.
[–]beaver160239 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It’s crazy how much courts fuck people on shit like this
[–]nads2026 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
especially us guys
[–]d_nijmegen37 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's a situation that can drive a man to desperate acts
[–]jcutta23 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He kept it together, both of his kids are over 18 now and he did the best he could. It wasn't an easy 10 years for him though.
[–]ExpediteTheProcess_7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fuck I get annoyed with a hard month or so, but not an easy decade?? Fuck all that.
[–]JohnnySkidmarx10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
A man with nothing to lose is a man to be feared.
[–]d_nijmegen8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Especially if he has a clear source of that suffering.
[–]DJ_8Man5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're damned right.
[–]TCBinaflash5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not saying this isn’t true, but I find this hard to believe this was deemed equitable enough for the man’s legal council to advise signing off on. At least, without more detail. Did the man get a house or something? Was this arrangement agreed to beforehand and just signed off before a judge and he had no lawyer?
It’s more likely a lesson in being properly represented in court rather than anything else(if even true).
[–]jcutta14 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This was over a decade ago so the exact details of the agreement are not super fresh in my mind, but I know that she had a lawyer and he did not. He didn't get a house because she allowed their family home to go into foreclosure before she filed for divorce. He had no money for a lawyer, she controlled all the finances during the marriage, he definitely screwed himself by not keeping any separate finances during the marriage. It's exactly why my wife and I each have our own checking and savings outside of our combined money.
He got screwed in a similar way to how my mom was screwed back in the 80s when my dad left. He had a lawyer that got his child support order to be $75 a week even though he had a good job at the post office at the time. My mom and I were left to welfare and food stamps.
[–]TCBinaflash6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thanks for clarifying. That def sounds more likely.
I was in a similar scenario and was paying about the same without an agreement until I got a lawyer.
Now, I pay ZERO because I was due alimony. I made $55k she made $95k. I was clueless, had no idea I could get alimony or even deserved it.
As my layer put it, “it’s not wife-imony, husbands are entitled to the same protections under civil law”
So we called alimony and support a wash and that’s that. No one owes each other anything.
[–]JasHanz16 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How in the fuck is alimony still a thing in 2020? Talk about cherry picking the patriarchy!
[–]beaver160216 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Court sanctioned sexism
[–]nads202-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
this aint the feminist subreddit
[–]JasHanz2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Whoosh.
[–]WorthlessDrugAbuser3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
When a woman fucks you over so badly that you’d rather take a dick in your ass than deal with them.
[–]Youreapuss2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Tell ankther fucking story
[–]FloofBagel3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
ankther?
[–]pallladin0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My homie was married to this chick and she was nuts.
He has only himself to blame for making a bad choice.
[–]beaver16025 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sometimes love is blind. Sometimes people become scientologist
[–]asparaguscoffee-11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Your homie was gay the whole time which led to the divorce. Retarded story though, thanks.
[–]beaver160212 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah dude some people are just bisexual.
[–]asparaguscoffee-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh no doubt. Your phrasing implied he decided to become bisexual because of how much he hates women. Thanks again for the fake story.
[–][deleted]-15 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No offense, but I don't give a shit about your anecdote. You don't insult an entire gender based off one person. Do you want to be judged by some other man's terrible choices?
That shit happens all the time. Chicks decide to hate dudes and judge them all the time. Mans depressed and hurting if he wants to blame a whole gender who am I to be like no you can’t do that. I would never say that to a chick that was raped and hates all guys. It’s some people get so put off to stuff they hate it. I bit into a rotten pork chop once and now I’m skeptical of all pork chops.
[–][deleted]-9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I bit into a rotten pork chop once and now I’m skeptical of all pork chops.
Love like you've never been hurt, dance like no one is watching. Spreading your bitterness won't help anyone.
[–]beaver16028 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You can say any quotes from coffee shop bathroom walls all you want. It doesn’t change the fact some people go through real trauma and it’s important to understand their view is just as valid. You really out here trying to all lives matter me. We get it few bad apples.
[–][deleted]-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're trying so hard to be a piece of shit and it's hilarious. Your views are illogical and shameful.
Enjoy your salty, bitter life.
[–]noshadsi 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You dont know what that man went through...maybe he had a few awful experiences and now is generalizing, but i agree with him as women tend to lean in that direction more than men
[–]jayb20133 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm pretty sure he said 'typical' which is another word for average or common. He didn't say 'all' and it seems like you just wanted to get your rocks off.
[–]Objective_Bumblebee 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's not all women, of course. It's the typical woman. This is how the typical woman acts when placed in the situation described.
[–]Jd90011 points 6 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
You realize the word tyipcal by definition does not mean "all" right?
[–]JohnnyG300 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I do. And I also realize it means “the average or standard” which is still not accurate. The bad ones are infuriating, but you would see that they are definitely the minority when you actually get out in the world instead of basing opinions off of a collection of the worst gathered stories on the internet.
[–]jayb201331 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Let me guess like with the police there are a few bad apples and we just focus on the positive experiences we have with cops....PLEASEE
[–]JohnnyG30-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Haha I knew this false equivalency would come up. Sorry dude, I’m sure it makes you feel better to believe most women are “bad apples.”
“...PLEASEE” lol I can hear your sexual frustration through your comment.
[–]jayb201335 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Choose your words wisely instead of letting your emotions seep in....and yeah I'm soooo sexually frustrated, as well an incel, and a misogynist lol
You're really good at this 🎯
Yes, you do seem quite frustrated. And you’re right, I should have been more concise with my wording. Had I done that, I could have avoided 15 identical comments from nice guys telling me that “typical” does not mean “all” just so they can poke the only tiny hole in my statement. Good talk though.
[–]jayb201333 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Glad reality set in and you learned your lesson. Good job!
[–]frank_the_tank__-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah. These all sound like distance anger inducing stories. I havent met a woman that wronged me like that.
[–]ToraChan234 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’ve never met a murderer either, but I wouldn’t doubt their existence based on other people’s experiences
Never said i doubted anything.
[–]crossfit_is_stupid-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
And you've spoken that like a 12 year old who's never been on the internet before. Don't feed the trolls dumbass.
[–]zerrff-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This entire sub is filled with incels.
[–]ToraChan233 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Including you, based on your existence here?
[–]zerrff-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
/r/all
[–]twothumbs-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Verified simp
[–]nolanwa-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah, hes just not a virgin like you 😂
[–]serenityharp-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
i no u r but wat am i
[–]JackJaminson-7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Such a ridiculous blanket statement for him to make. Probably wipes up his wank with pages from Elliot Rodgers’ manifesto.
Edit: got banned from r/femaledatingstrategy for this.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women act like children
[–]CanadianKaiju 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
No, it isn't. Get that stupid toxic shit outta your head.
[–]Qaeta 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Like they're going to take advice on human relationships from a ravenous monster from another dimension...
[–]BlamefulWorm4357 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Canada is not another dimension
[–]Qaeta5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I live there, I think I would know if I wasn't from another dimension.
[–]Medianmodeactivate2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Well that must be where Manitoba is, because it doesn't exist.
[–]Qaeta2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah, New Brunswick lol
[–]CanadianKaiju-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Better a Kaiju than a misogynist fuck. Who's the real monster, y'know?
[–]Qaeta4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
... Cleary missing that I was just making a Kaiju joke...
[–]papalouie274 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's okay, I appreciated your joke.
Thanks. You're the best.
[–]CanadianKaiju-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, I got it...
I was just saying I would rather be a literal monster than act how that dude be actin'
I rephrased.
[–]Jotarow 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Simp
[–]ArkyC-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's radiation poisoning going by their username.
[–]TheReaIOG 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'll upvote you.
You're right, after all. Rustled plenty of jimmies around here, but you're absolutely right.
[–]DJCHERNOBYL 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol it worked out well. Some of my better jimmy rustling
[–]BlueFalcon51 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Downvoted, but you're right.
[–]ExceedingChunk 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's survivorship and confirmation bias you got here. You won't hear about all the people who are NOT like this, only the women who are.
[–]Vaskre-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The fuck is wrong with you.
[–]FendarBender-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If that’s your idea of a typical women I’d say you have been around the wrong women. I would say in my experience it’s the opposite most women aren’t like that.
[–]DJCHERNOBYL5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My mom, my step mom and all 3 of my sisters pull this crap
[–][deleted]2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
When I was in the army, I saw too many dumbass privates marry predatory chicks just to get out of the barracks, and on too many occasions they would wait until the annulment period was over and then demand a divorce. Had one guy's wife do that to him while he deployed, and they got married right before we left.
[–]CherryStitches0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sounds like your dad has a type and their kids turned out like the people who raised them.
[–]Lolusernamechecksout-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sounds like you have great genes
[–]OnionKnightReturns-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
... have you met a woman?
[–]IAmTheMilk-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Get laid you fat piece of shit
[–][deleted]-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s a typical person you small dicked moron
Shitty people come in all shapes, colors and genders.
[–]gride9000-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not true, generalized sexism is gross.
[–]Drifter_OnTheField-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Spoken like a true incel
[–]cheezy_thotz 152 points153 points154 points 6 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
And now the kid suffers. Honestly this whole women usually gaining custody shit is like 3 generations past due.
[–]TimeBrah 67 points68 points69 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
It's part of the single women matriarchial society bullshit. Even university women think single women stats of poverty are to be ignored.
[–]cheezy_thotz 55 points56 points57 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Women have it better in every statistic lol. Even when it comes to domestic violence it’s completely unreliable because men don’t report it.
[–]bplboston17 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
DV is fucked. There’s cases where men called the cops because his gf/wife was beating him with objects and cops showed up and arrest the guy.. you can’t win if you are a guy getting abused..
[–]11bNg2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you going to jail for dv might as well earn that charge
[–]TroyMcClures-11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not income....
[–]Itisme12912 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes income. There is no wage gap. Women choose to go into careers that pay less. When they work the same position as men, they get paid the same.
[–]ParkingWillow0-8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So women basketball players make the same as men basketball players?
[–]Itisme12910 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sports are not the same as regular jobs. They are entertainment. And as such, you are paid a share of the revenue that you bring in. People don't pay to go see women's basketball as much as they do men's.
You wouldn't expect a C list actor to be paid the same as Tom Cruise for the same reason you wouldn't expect women's basketball to pay as much as the NBA.
But even more than that, there's no rule against women playing in the NBA. If they have the physical ability and skill there's nothing stopping them from playing. The only thing holding them back is biology.
[–]pcyr99995 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There aren’t any women in the NBA that make less than the average man in the NBA. Same thing reversed with men in the WNBA.
[–]fuuuuuckoff-18 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Murder rate domestic violence isnt usually self reporting you dolt https://globalnews.ca/news/4735054/domestic-homicide-study-women/
Dont pretend that women arent more vulnerable when violence escalates.
[–]vincentpontb22 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're putting your head in the sand if you don't think there's a shitton of bad women out there profiting from their genders to put down and hit their boyfriends frequently. Nobody is going to report slaps :/ psychological violence / punches from a girlfriend to his boyfriend, that's if she doesn't only do it in private.
Doesn't mean women don't have it bad, just don't ignore what's bad for men too.
[–]fuuuuuckoff-19 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sure. It happens. Not denying it.
I obviously forgot which sub I was in, but you're full circle, head out of sand right up your ass if you think it's nearly equal rate of abuse per gender. Nevermind the more severe consequences of male on female vs the opposite
[–]vincentpontb12 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're so hell bent on fighting a gender wars. I never said it was worst for men overall.
You're acting as if because women have it bad, men can't have it bad too.
I don't care for group politics. Both gender have troubles.
[–]TheRealSoro7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
you're right it's not nearly equal, its statistically equal. reported domestic abuse cases have the Male as a victim around 50% of the time
[–]lumpkin2013-13 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Came here from all. I've no idea what this sub is but I'm getting a pretty good idea. You are 100% correct.
[–]Reddit_IsPropaganda10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women are not more vulnerable to violence. They have thousands of outlets to go to. They antagonize men and basically try as hard as they can to be beaten. Its something women enjoy, ducking with men. Like little robots, constantly fucking with shit that has nothing to do with them.
[–]fuuuuuckoff-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol.
Maybe its them. Maybe you're not well adjusted?
Women are people. Some are good some are bad. You seem like a bad people.
[–]cheezy_thotz3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
“I shot him in self-defense. Hold me, Officer O’Brian.”
[–]fyberoptyk0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Honestly the judges in my area have basically admitted they would never want to be burdened with kids so they view it as punishing the mother to make her deal with them.
But you know, I live dead in the middle of the Bible Belt. Half our systems have a sole purpose of punishing women.
[–]AlsmaricXII 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because of the mom's stupidity.
[–]autonomousfailure 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kids won’t suffer because they can live with the dad and/or his parents.
If the mom can’t find a suitable place to live then the dad can win custody.
[–]ManvilleJ 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats a 1300 loss per month. damn
[–]bplboston17 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good she’s a massive cunt... free 1800$ apartment and he still gives you 1000$ a month and you take him to Court?? What a major bitch. So she went from getting 2800$/month to 1500$ 😂, she’s brainless
[–]Gmontiel716 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Baby mommas are petty as fuck.
[–]jerseypoontappa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Retard negotiating 101
[–]serious_grey[S] 356 points357 points358 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
One of the few loveable things
[–]French_Bulldog 102 points103 points104 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Equality
[–]mackafat 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who's turn is it to post this next week?
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mom said it's mine.
[–]Mosec 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay but dad has custody and he said it's my turn
[–]KenshinX90-13 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Check your priviledge
[–]French_Bulldog10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Which privilege is that my dude?
[–]KenshinX90-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm being ironic
[+]openyourojos -19 points-18 points-17 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
is the drake picture really the one you want to use?
the man who famously denied his own kids existence?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6654097/drake-secret-son-porn-star-sophie-brusseax-new-album/
[–]BlackHawksHockey 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s a meme
[–]TheresWald0 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for coming out.
[–]BrianDawkins 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He didn’t but ok
[–]DavidsGotNoHoes 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The pic is of future to relay the message that this woman belongs to the streets, drake just happens to be there.
[–]Lcbrito1 92 points93 points94 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some guy I know works freelance at construction. Problem is, he gets paid cash, which to the government basically means he is unemployed. So we are talking and he tells me about his daughter, how he paid 500 reais a month for her upbringing, and some stuff like new shoes etc.
Then her mom got greedy and said she wanted more, but she was clearly using the money to herself. Took him to court. Due to his irregular work condition, she couldn't prove how much money he actually made.
Ended up having to pay only 120
[–]Walter_jones 49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (93 children) | Copy Link
I thought people wanted the financial abortion option? I've seen lots of posts where the father should have the right to sign away financial obligation of the child if the mother has the baby.
Why would the financial abortion option not be allowable in this case?
[–]JeebusChristBalls 55 points56 points57 points 6 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link
Because she could have had the real abortion but for some reason didn't. Financial abortion is only for men because men don't have the option to tell a woman what to do with their body. Just like you shouldn't be able to tell someone not to get an abortion, you can't make someone get one either.
[–]sadacal 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
But what if the father wants to keep the baby but the mother doesn't? If the mother is willing to carry the baby to term and have a financial abortion instead, isn't it in everyone's best interests to make this possible?
[–]Coal_Morgan 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That would be covered under surrogacy laws in some places. Just get a legal contract saying you’re paying her to have the baby for you and that she voids rights and responsibilities after the birth.
It’s not iron clad though and a lot of surrogacy co tracts haven’t been tested in courts.
[–]JeebusChristBalls 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If she agrees to do that then yes, I would agree with your statement. That is basically an arranged surrogacy. The problem is that that didn't happen because financial abortions aren't a thing in the legal sense as far as I know. I am pretty sure if two adults came to a decision like that, and then then, down the road, the father decided he wants money, then the courts would get him the money.
To force a woman to become a parent would be a no-go. That is the same thing that goes on with men where they are forced to be a parent (at least financially) just because a woman wants to have a kid. The woman has all the choices during the short window of early pregnancy to make a decision on whether she wants to be a mother. The man never has a decision at all but has the live with the choices the woman makes. It is her body BTW.
[–]sadacal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was not talking about whether financial abortions are a real legal thing or not, but your statement that they should be only for men. I think women should be able to get financial abortions too for the reason I described in my previous post.
[–]Demi_God430 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Protection is the only cure.
[–]Sweatycocks 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Great idea on paper but I have a really hard time seeing conservative legislatures not abusing a clause like that to make abortion de facto illegal. Just normalize the process of abortion, chip away at the stigma, and don’t give any avenues to criminalize it or further stigmatize women making this decision.
[–]ExpediteTheProcess_ 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s crazy to me that the conservative solution to abortion is an outright ban coupled with terrible sex education. Those two things are proven to only make things worse.
The solution is clear as day. Better sex education, access to female and male contraceptives, and legal abortions. That’s it. That’s how you get there to be less abortions, but for some reason that’s not what conservatives want.
[–]sockedfeet-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No. Pregnancy and childbirth are life altering and can potentially be traumatic/fatal. Women should not have to put their mental and physical health at risk to be host to a child they do not ultimately want.
[–]enerccio2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
that will be fixed eventually with artificial wombs, very soon<sup>TM.</sup> We need this AND paper abortion be truly equal.
[–]Walter_jones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In many states abortion is very expensive, she could be disowned from family for it, medically she can't do it, it's nearly illegal, a variety of reasons. But I don't think that's the main issue.
I don't see why physical abortion removes the financial abortion option. A guy can't get pregnant but the woman can physically sign a financial abortion document. So I don't really see why we need to ban the mother from that route if we're actually establishing the financial abortion structure.
[–]JeebusChristBalls 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think I would gladly pay for an abortion than take on a child. If I didn't have the money, I would find it. These are not good reasons in my opinion to not allow this. If you cannot raise the child and the other person doesn't want to either then it shouldn't be brought into this world.
Also, I'm bored of this topic as it is all fictional anyway.
[–]Defensive_Axiom-11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't get that line of thought. Women can only have abortions because they're the ones carrying the kid. That's a biological difference, not a legal one. If men could get pregnant, they'd have the same rights. Why should men be compensated for biological differences?
[–]d_nijmegen11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Are you being obtuse or really don't understand
Ok
A woman doesn't want to raise the kid She can abort and let the kind be adopted. No financial burden what so ever.
A man. Can't have the pregnancy aborted on his wishes and can't refuse the financial burden because it's his DNA it's his money on the line.
The argument is. If a woman has a baby without the man's consent, he should be able to refuse to be involved.
Her body her choice her problem
[–]Defensive_Axiom-10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Men do have a choice, but their choice starts before pregnancy because of biology.
It sucks, but biology isn't fair.
[–]JeebusChristBalls8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Men don't have a choice because the law says they don't. That could be changed. If you come to me and say you are pregnant and I say I don't want to be a father then you should either abort it, arrange for adoption, or plan to raise it on your own. No one should be forced to take on a burden for something that is avoidable.
Now, if you agree to be a father and help raise it but then later dip out, then you should have to pay for child support. Unless you agree to raise the kid and then find out it isn't yours then you shouldn't.
[–]d_nijmegen4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Agreed 100%
[–]behamut-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The guy you respond to has a point but you (chose to) misunderstand him.
The choice the man have starts earlier they could have chosen not to fuck a woman (without a rubber).
[–]Dazzling_Rhubarb3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I have to disagree with that, we live in a hook-up culture and the only people I know that don't have sex early in relationships are radical Christians, so a pretty large percentage of the population wants sex.
Condoms don't always work, people forget (or intentionally forget) to take birth control, sometimes it's not available in their situation.
It's not really a choice if you choose to stay totally alone until you're ready to be a father, women don't have to do that if they don't want to.
[–]behamut-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Condoms work most of the time.
It's just more enjoyable without a condom, it's childish to not be responsible and do it without a condom and then don't want to deal with the consequences.
[–]Exedus-Q2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Most of the time"
Ok so what about the times where it doesn't?
I always see this argument presented with the rebuttable presumption that abstinence is something we should reasonably expect from the population of people who don't want children.
People will have casual sex, accidents will happen. There should be a legal framework to provide choice to both parties AFTER the accident happens.
[–]behamut2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
After the accident happens the priority should be the child and it having a good life.
Maybe after the child is born, but there is a window before that time where both potential parents should be given a choice.
Modern society currently provides that choice to women, and it should provide it to men too.
That's really well said, I knew I wanted to be a dad and an expected pregnancy happened before I was ready but we decided to commit to each other and keep the baby together, now after a rough few years we're a happy family and I wouldn't trade my kids for the world.
But I was a lot luckier than most, my wife is a reasonable person and gave me a choice and because I could make that choice on my own I was happy to put myself aside and be there for the unplanned baby. A lot of men don't have the choice, and they probably resent the mother for not respecting them as the other parent then expecting them to against their free will to step up as the other parent, regardless if they've even wanted to in the first place.
I just feel like giving men a similar choice to women (abortion is a difficult choice to some women for completely different reasons) about raising a child will result in more whole families. And it'll help with individuals that rely on multiple pregnancies and multiple forced child support take a little more responsibility for their own choices.
[–]Exedus-Q1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Well said, I can't agree enough. Thank you for sharing your experience!
[–]Dazzling_Rhubarb2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As someone with a we-were-safe-and-used-a-condom-but-it-still-didnt-work baby, I have to continue to disagree.
You are saying true facts, I think condoms work 98% of the time (which is most) and it is childish to go at it completely unprotected, but you're ignoring the fact that a lot of people are having sex.
if one couple has sex twice a week and they use a condom every time, with 98% success rate the theory is they could have an accidental pregnancy two times in a year. So even if it is childish to not use protection there's still a lot of unplanned babies out there, and women have options for abortion and the plan B pill while men have no choice (besides staying completely alone or begging the woman to get an abortion if they choose to keep it and if they choose to tell him).
[–]Sk4Ll12vk3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That point is moot. The woman also has the same choice to not fuck the guy.
The discrepancy is after conception.
[–]NyranK2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Contraceptives break or fail or be sabotaged. Women can lie. Men can be too incapacitated to properly consent, let alone suit up, and then there's straight up rape.
As it is now, a male victim of rape can be forced to pay child support to their rapist, even if, as in the case of Hermesmann v. Seyer, the male is a child himself.
There needs to be enough room in the law for a little common sense.
[–]behamut0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I agree to an extent, but I believe these are rare cases.
Putting a condom on your willy should be second nature to people who hook up often.
[–]reedmore1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Random anectode: girl fucks literally everyone and anyone, doesn't even know the dudes names etc. without protection, regularily scared of being pregnant. One of her hookups tells her he has a STD, she refuses to get tested and continues to fuck around without protection. She tells me all that, like it's completely normal. When I remark that she is irresponsible and is putting herself and her sex partners in danger, she responds with: "I don't feel like the circles I'm fucking around in have particularly high rates of AIDS/STD, also my female friends do the same thing and never have any problems". Remember, she said that after her hookup told her she should get tested... Moral of the story: always wear/insist on protection.
[–]JeebusChristBalls1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I did not chose to misunderstand him. I completely understand that it can be avoided by abstinence. The problem is that abstinence is a dumb policy that does not work. The example you give is very specific in that you have now painted the (hypothetical) situation was caused by the man not wearing a rubber. I would say that it is both members responsibility to ensure that precautions are taken. If we want to continue hypotheticals, what if the rubber broke? What if her birth control failed? What if, what if, what if? Either way, the result is still the same. There is a pregnancy and now you are going to live the next 18 years paying for a 20 minute mutually consensual action.
The other reason I think that the response was flawed was that there is a choice that can be made. Biology does play its part in matching semen with eggs but ultimately we are the masters of what happens next. Do you just let weeds grow in your garden because biology isn't fair?
I get that religion and whatnot limit the options of some people but if religion is so important to these people who refuse to get abortions, then maybe they should practice abstinence in the first place. Oh that's right, that doesn't work either because humans are humans and they are going to have sex despite what their imaginary god says and then get all religious when the results come out.
[–]Girlmode4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think having sex once and someone deciding they want to have your kid regardless of if you want one or not, is different to getting pregnant and deciding to go all the way through pregnancy and bringing a life into the world only to wash your hands of responsibility and dump it on the father.
To me there should be different rules for consciously bringing a life into the world and abandoning it, to having sex with someone and them deciding to force responsibility on you for decades against your will because they want a kid.
I don't think fathers should automatically get out of responsibilities without situations being considered. But it's a line of thought I think is thousands of times more rational to consider than a woman not taking birth control, not getting an abortion and then abandoning their child as they don't want kids.
Mothers have way more control over this than fathers due to their biology, thats why the legal side of things should be looked at differently. Someone that conciously chooses to bring life into the world has more financial responsibilities for that life than someone like a one night stand should.
[–]elriggo44-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That is a very specific case though. Having sex one time and ending up with a kid doesn’t happen that much. So you’re arguing your entire point from the extreme. That’s a slippery slope argument, which is invalid. Sure, there are cases where this happens. But you don’t create a law based on the worst case scenario.
[–]Girlmode3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't see how I am arguing my point to the extreme. I state that I don't think fathers should automatically get out of responsibilities either because I believe there are plenty of situations where men should be responsible towards paying for child care, even if they decide that they don't want a child certain situations mean they are still responsible. I couldn't be more middle of the road on this argument... I'm not advocating for total dismissal of child payments for men based off of one night stands, it's just an example out of dozens because it's an obvious circumstance where parental obligation shouldn't be forced all the time (or at least has some grounds to argue over unlike intentionally getting/staying pregnant and abandoning a kid after).
I am not going to list every different life circumstance where fathers responsibility for full child care shouldn't apply, so that I can make a point on Reddit. I'll just state the blatant reasoning why there are differences in how people should be treated legally. I also don't see how any of my thoughts on the father responsibility side of things invalidates any of my beliefs on how women should be treated in these circumstances due to the level of control they have over it. This was the majority of my post and I don't see how you can invalidate everything I said because of one example of how men could be looked at as non responsible parents.
To me I just think it's impossible to argue that a woman who doesn't take birth control and doesn't get an abortion, has any right to just refuse to look after or support looking after that child financially. Where as there are multiple situations where I think there is room to argue that men aren't responsible for child care, because they have far less control or ability to make choices that avoid it. And of course there are plenty of situations like long term relationships where men showed desire to look after a child where they should be held to it.
You don't see anybody arguing over the legal intent and responsibility of mothers and their children, because getting/staying pregnant and carrying a fetus to being a baby is one of the most intentional things you can do in life. I am not arguing the finer points of when men should pay and when they shouldn't, I am just arguing that there isn't really any excuse for women not to if they can afford it. There is at least some moral and legal ambiguity about unwilling male parties paying for children they didn't ever want.
[–]elriggo440 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Again, you’re arguing from the extremes.
A woman who doesn’t take birth control? You can get pregnant while on birth control and using a condom with spermicidal lube on top. So you’re trying to create a law for men to be able to financially disentangle themselves of responsibility if they’re tricked by a woman they’ve had sex with one time if she isn’t on birth control? What about if he refused to wear a condom? Does that come into play? Doubtful, amirite?
The problem is that if you allow some men to financially divorce themselves from a baby they’ve made, then no men would pay child support ever. What about a woman being able to sue a guy for getting her pregnant in the first place?
You’re operating from the assumption that all women are scheming to get themselves knocked up in order to get child support and or alimony. That’s just crazy talk.
Obligation isn’t forced all the time. That is what judges are for. If you don’t want to potentially be obligated, don’t have sex.
[–]JeebusChristBalls2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No one is compensating men for being men. The idea is that a woman has all the power when it comes to her body. A man cannot tell a woman what to do with her body. A man should be able to say legally that "If you have this kid, then you are on your own raising it as I will have no financial responsibility." It isn't a compensation, it is saying to the woman that she needs to make a decision because having a kid and expecting someone else to take on a financial burden for 18 years is total BS.
[–]elriggo44-11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That makes no sense.
[–]JeebusChristBalls7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm sorry you are having trouble understanding this concept. I don't know what to say to your comment because you didn't provide any context. Do you not understand the concept of body rights? Financial abortion? I'm now confused because I thought it was pretty straight forward.
[–]Equilibriator7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It makes perfect sense.
Financial abortion is when men get the right to abort all responsibility while the baby is still abortable. Then the woman can make an adult decision if she wants to raise that kid alone, instead of if she wants to get free money every month and swap her job for being a parent.
It doesn't apply here because the baby is already born and because she was the mother, there's no way she didn't know about it before it was abortable. She chose to have the baby.
To a woman, aborting responsibility IS abortion. Men don't have that choice.
To clarify, if a man gets a woman pregnant intentionally, then later regrets it, he can't financially abort responsibility. It is already done. He waived that right back when they were fucking with intent to baby make.
Financial abortion is more about giving the man a choice in the case of an accidental pregnancy, instead of putting him completely at the mercy of this random woman who currently holds all the cards. (She may have tricked him, the law doesn't give a shit. This is bullshit.)
Even then the situation still isn't equal. If a man wants the baby and she does not, she can abort it. Fair enough. So what we are actually asking for is less than what women have but still people bitch about it because they refuse to ackowledge how one sided parental law is BeCAusE ITs HeR bOdY (yet fuck the dudes body as he overworks himself to pay for her choice).
[–]fidgetthrowaway1 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For two reasons. First, until the financial abortion option exists, we have to try to make the current system as equal as possible. Second, if enough women are forced to pay child support, their chances of supporting financial abortion and its likelihood of getting passed go way up.
[–]rattleglorious 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If it was a real option, I'd be fine with it. It's not, so seeing cases where the woman gets the system on here for once is nice. Also, I'd imagine she decided she wanted nothing to do with the kid after it was born or at least too late for an abortion and saddled the father with all the responsibility.
[–]ThatDamnedRedneck 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because it's not actually a legal thing a thing anywhere right now, that's why we're asking for it.
[–]Gg_Messy 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because it's not available in the opposite case
[–]techieguyjames0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Because that is not in the best interest of the child. The state wants the baby's father to pay, or whomever it thinks is the baby's father. If you can make the state change it's mind on whom it thinks is the father, then good on you for doing so.
[–]Dr_Mix-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think that works more as a punch line in Dave Chapelle's stand up than an actual policy.
Not sure if this is legit, but I heard that if you sign over any and all parental rights, you don't have to pay child support. Sounds like it goes in line with this financial abortion option.
So technically even the mother could have this option, but not many people would be willing to forfeit their parental rights entirely.
[–]The_Real_Bobby_Hill10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
but I heard that if you sign over any and all parental rights, you don't have to pay child support
wrong also financial abortion option isnt even a thing
[–]colonel801 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Its not too clear but generally if there is a support order in place, its really difficult to terminate it without two parents. So if parent A and B both decide to remove parent B's rights, if there is a support order in place, it will remain unless parent A has another parent and a judge agrees. If there is no support order in place, it is now very difficult to obtain one as parent B is no longer legally a parent and has no authority for visitation or parenting at all.
So if a woman bags out on a guy after getting pregnant and the guy doesn't even know and he never has any parental rights, the he finds out and the court agrees to remove his parental rights at the consent of both parents, the woman will likely not be able to get support from him after that happens. Hence, doesnt really happen a lot.
[–]Dr_Mix1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Did you even look into it?
"Terminating a parent's rights means that the person's rights as a parent are taken away. ... The parent no longer gets to raise the child. The parent usually has no right to visit or talk with the child. The parent no longer has to pay child support."
[–]The_Real_Bobby_Hill1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
yes they still have to pay child support lmao
[–]d_nijmegen7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Even a boy of 13 molested by a teacher who get pregnant is liable for child support.
Its simply not fair
[–]Lexi_Banner-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Child support is for the child. I know a lot of women abuse it, but in the end, it's about the kid having financial assistance.
My mom and dad divorced in thr early 80s when child support was not a common thing, and my dad never had to pay a cent for my brother and I. There were a lot of lean times in which the only reason we had enough to eat was because the church gave us food baskets (our rural community didn't have a food bank).
So yeah, the system in place is not great and prone to abuse on both sides (the person who should be paying support could just work under the table so his income is too low to be required to pay support, for example), but in the end, it's better to ensure that the child will not go hungry because of the parent's decisions to split.
[–][deleted]4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Maybe don’t try to raise a kid you can’t afford then.
Maybe it's not that simple. Abusers coerce their partners into having kids to further entrap them. One partner could have an affair that ruins the relationship. Etc, etc. Child support is to protect the child's best interests regardless of the choices their parents make.
[–][deleted]5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So what happens when a person is coerced into having a kid, and then the abuser gets custody of the kid. The victim is now paying a high percentage of their income which dramatically impacts their quality of life, under threat of jail time, because of kid they never wanted.
But as long as the kid gets money (which is not even that black and white since there's nothing stopping the parent with custody to abuse the child support) then that's ok? Sorry that's not good enough of a justification to potentially cripple someone financially against their will.
[–]Lexi_Banner-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a kid who grew up on the verge of starving because there was no support, yeah. It is a justification. I agree the system is flawed and open to misuse. But the alternative is not acceptable either.
[–]EarnestQuestion4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If your father was a 13 year old child and your mother molested him, no it was not a justification.
[–][deleted]3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There are other ways to provide for children than fucking over abuse victims and people who literally cannot afford to give up any of their income.
[–]Lexi_Banner0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You say that, yet in a world where the child support system exists, there are still children who live below the poverty line and only get to eat when the school provides a lunch.
So it sounds like child support doesn't work, and it should be replaced with a system that will always make sure children have the basic quality of life if they are born into a household below the poverty line.
Sure. That would be great! No one should live on the verge of starvation. So how are you going to raise the money to fund this program? Don't forget, people HATE taxes. And they really hate having to fund food stamps for the poors. And don't you dare ask them to consider health care as a right.
I have already said that I agree the system ain't perfect as it stands. But it is better than nothing, and at least gives some protection to kids. Until they find a way to give financial support to everyone who needs it (universal basic income ftw), the child needs to be supported by both parents.
Those people can go fuck themselves. They already pay tons of money for medicare as well as the military through their taxes. Re-allocate and spend wisely, and no one's taxes need to go up. How do we do that? Vote for people who are competent and actually have citizens' best interests in mind.
Those people need to be outvoted, not used as a justification to not fix problems.
I have already said that I agree the system ain't perfect as it stands.
It's not just imperfect, it doesn't work. Your story is testament to that.
Let's say a father or mother is ordered to pay support, and they don't. They go to jail. Child gets nothing, and will continue to get nothing because good luck getting a decent paying job with a prison sentence on your record. Every single person is worse off than they were before.
[–]d_nijmegen2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The best thing for a child is to be born to parents that want it. If they don't the best thing for all involved is abortion.
Youbdont have to agree. But the unwanted children of today are the problem adults of tomorrow
[–]Lexi_Banner1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Except that sometimes parents who wanted their children separate for various reasons - and those splits are often acrimonious. Affairs, incompatibility, e.t.c. Not every child is born unwanted, and the child support system is in place to protect them regardless of the shitty decisions made by the adults in their lives.
I've said this on other subs. I think pregnancy tests should be free. I think a man should be informed of a pregnancy on time for a abortion. He should legally commit to the child. If he does it's 100% responsibility.
If he doesn't the woman has the option to either go fo abortion, adoption or single motherhood.
Everyone involved now has a choice. As it should be
It's not a perfect solution (the dude could just pretend to be busy or avoid her efforts to contact him long enough to get past her deadline), but it's certainly not the worst I've heard.
You of course build in that he has to sign to have received the documents. Like getting served works as I understand it.
People who don't want to be served will avoid it at great lengths. Which starts to put too much burden on the woman. She has no control over time and cannot stop the growth of a fetus. This would force women into decisions they don't want to make because they don't have the luxury of avoiding reality.
Sure, you can shrug and point out the option to give up the kid (one way or another), and say they don't have to raise a kid if they don't feel ready, but that is painfully shortsighted. Minorities in particular have already been forced into this corner, and it is detrimental to them and their culture. You'd be punishing women who did not intend to get pregnant from a one night stand (using BC and condoms still has a failure rate), and who cannot get a hold of the father because he skipped town. Should she have abstained from sex? Maybe. But why is she the only one under the burden of getting him to agree? He also could have abstained and didn't.
There is no easy solution. Hell, even adding the option to abort is problematic. Don't forget, abortion was straight up illegal until 1973, and there are a lot of people doing everything they can to force a return to those times. There are already major restrictions to how far into the pregnancy you can abort, and some women aren't even aware of being pregnant for 3-5 weeks.
So it isn't black and white or easy. Some women are going to abuse the system, and so are some men. The same problem exists in the welfare system. You don't base your system on the failures, you base it on the successes.
The system is now
Women: 2 get out of a pregnancy free cards.
Men: 0
Change that, is all I'm asking
[–]liproqq-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You make the decision to get the baby when you don't use protection. After that it's not the father's decision anymore.
Not true. Birth control can fail. Men need a get out of jail free card too Women have 2 we have 0.
[–]businessboyz-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
thought people wanted the financial abortion option?
Not people, childish men who throw a hissy fit at the fact that they can't make women get abortions.
And they will never be a thing.
You're just being a idiot is a woman that has a abortion childish?
[–]businessboyz0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Stop sniffing glue, its making you dumb.
No, women who have abortions are not childish.
Men, who are pissed they can't go through a traumatic surgery or chemically induced abortion to save themselves from being a parent, are childish when they advocate for financial abortion. They want to literally be able to walk away from any responsibility over their own child and fuck over everyone involved.
I want a shield from the weaponisation of pregnancy. If I don't want you to take part of my body and run of with it to make a baby. I want to say fuck you ill never speak to you again.
If I agree to try for a baby I expect to be responsible for it. Because it was my choice.
You don't have to agree. I'll never change my mind over this
Either women and men can legally distance themselves, or we botch shouldn't be able.
[–]businessboyz-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol, weaponization of pregnancy??? HAHAHA oh the things pathetic MRAs will come up.
Don't have sex with women. Done. There is your impenetrable protection. Glad I can solve this problem for you once and for all.
Neither can legally distance themselves so looks like their isn't an issue. You do realize an abortion isn't a legal action, right? It's a medical procedure.
Anyways, I dont know why I'm arguing with you on this. The courts are on my side and will forever be on my side. And deadbeats will continue to rightfully be dragged into court and forced to support the children they produce.
And I'll sleep peacefully knowing so.
[–]d_nijmegen3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The courts are on my side and will forever be on my side. And deadbeats will continue to rightfully be dragged into court and forced to support the children they produce.
See weaponised, you just proved my point, when it's about money, we produced the kid. If it's about custody, it's the child YOU brought into the world.
Thank you for being such a blatend sexist, it helps others to see it
[–]businessboyz1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why do you hate children and want them to suffer?
Thank you for not denying what I said is true
Do you hate men? I have a baby on the way. I support the pregnancy and want to be a father. That's the only way I think a man should be held responsible. I consent to this, so I agree to take on the responsibility.
But I have a wife that actually shares my view about equality. I have a high value woman. I was able to get better than the women that see me as a atm. She actually cares about my agency in my life.
Oh so you just hate other people's children. You don't care as long as your baby is taken care of.
But you are alright with other children going hungry, homeless, and unloved. Just as long as the man gets a "get out of all responsibility" card. You don't care that more children would likely become a ward of the state. Nope, just as long as all things a "fair".
I'm a man myself ya punk. I just also believe in taking care of things you are responsible for creating. Especially a child.
In every consensual act of PIV sex is you consenting to the chance of there being a pregnancy as a result. That is true for both man and woman. You cannot consent to pregnancy. It's not an opt-in status that women can just hop into. You consent to sex which had a chance of resulting in pregnancy
After that, it's a different fucking game. A woman can elect for a procedure which impacts HER body because of body autonomy which states that a person's control over what happens to their body is ONLY up to that person unless they are physically incapable of providing input at the time i.e., coma.
But I have a wife that actually shares my view about equality.
What does any of this have to do with equality? You think equality means men should be able to walk away from the financial burdens of parenthood because women have the ability to elect for an abortion? What kind of sick fuck are you?
The child still exists after a financial abortion. How hard is that to understand? They don't suddenly stop needing food or shelter because your selfish ass signed a legal document.
Like, I'm actually disgusted by you right now. You keep talking about "equity" in reference to the fact women can elect for abortions. Which means you view abortions as some sort of sick gift women have been given to wield against men. It's clear all you give a shit about is money because not once have you shown consideration for the innocent child that suffers from all this.
You just wanna be able to do whatever you want to do and not face consequences for unintended results. Which is the definition of selfish.
We're not going to agree, period. 21 years of financial responsibility for a choice you didn't make is Ludacris.
I will never back down on that. You be all the kinds of simp you want. I'm not going to be treated as a atm. Does it take more difficulty screening women to weed out the entitled ones. Sure. But I can be done.
But the system isn't fair. Period.
a choice you didn't make
You made the choice! When you go sky diving, you don't get to say, "I consent to have a safe fun time but I don't consent to any accidents happening." You can't consent to an act AND simultaneously say you don't consent to the risks associated with that act. Doesn't work that way.
I can't deal with you anymore. You don't believe in personal responsibility and frankly that makes your opinion worthless.
I'm equally unimpressed with your views on equality. So let's be happy we will never have to discuss this ever again.
[–]enerccio1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You don't get it, do you? Let's count ways woman has to control birth:
She, btw, keeps ALL those rights even if man doesn't want that.
what are the options for men:
How is this fucking fair? Artificial wombs (soon <sup>TM</sup> ) will solve when man wants a child and woman does not. Better birth control for men (also soon <sup>TM</sup> ) will fix shitty birth control situation for men. And paper abortion will fix when it's too late but woman wants to raise the child. These will literally solve ALL problems and actually make women and men equal.
How is this fucking fair?
Omg you petulant child. You are actually counting the ways the two genders can control pregnancy risks and comparing them. I could not think of a more shallow way to approach the topic of "fairness" than this.
Do you throw a fit when people get gifts on their birthday and you don't?
Women tend to see OBGYNs on top of their normal physicians. Do we need to make up a special doctor for men to see regularly as well just to be fair?
You have the mentality of a small child. Literally counting things and comparing them to determine fairness. Grow the fuck up.
not getting a gift on birthday does not have a life long fucking debt that is one of the rarest form of slavery - you don't pay, you go to jail.
Also, feminism is all about women getting some more rights, yet men wanting something back is somehow childish? Nice way to refute arguments, ad hominem is really nice.
Btw men do see andrologists.
[–]spoonguy123 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
is babys momma fucking rich?! how do they run the accounting on these things?
[–]SnooSnafuAchoo 1273 points1274 points1275 points 6 years ago (331 children) | Copy Link
She must be making over $10k a month then
[–]Slaynne 358 points359 points360 points 6 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Not necessarily. There are a couple states that are notorious for standard child support levels being through the roof. I was making ~$55k - $60k when I was in the military and California made me cough up $1700 monthly.
[–]OverlordWaffles 141 points142 points143 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It probably depends on each state but I know in my home state, they could take up to either 51% or 50% of their income for support.
So with that calculation and worst case scenario, she makes $42,000 a year or just over $20/hr.
[–]WeAreBeyondFucked 63 points64 points65 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
i was friends with a guy who made 30k a year and had to pay 1000 a month
[–]Slaynne 34 points35 points36 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah. It's not a simple percentage calculation. It depends on a LOT of things. Mostly how much time the kids spend with the non-custodial parent. Health insurance and tons of other things go into how much is owed.
One thing that is not considered very heavily is the situation that the non-custodial parent is put in. Which is unfortunate.
[–]naughtymarty 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was paying close to that and making about the same because of daycare. This month it’s is dropping by 400 because he is starting school.
[–]bitches_be 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know a dude just like that. Kids in 4 states and he just married and had another kid. I don't it
[–]WeAreBeyondFucked 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this guy only had one kid, he had to live in basically a shitbox and generally didn't enough money for food most weeks. I hired him on the side to do some small labor projects under the table so he would have some extra money... and I really didn't have much money myself, but at least I could afford the necessities without a problem
[–]SamBBMe 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Christ, that's nearly half your net, isn't it? That's nearly twice what people in your income bracket spend on a child annually, if Google is meant to be believed.
[–]Slaynne 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. It was. I had to move and get roommates to make it work.
[–]connecteduser 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is ridiculous when you think about it. It is like the calculations include shelter and childcare. Something parents provide at no additional cost. I went to my states website to calculate the cost of child support for my kids and it would cost me significantly more in child support than what I pay now.
Technically, you would think I would be saving money because I have one less mouth to feed. Nope.
/I love my wife and kids. I was just curious.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thank god I kept my dick in my pants and always used condoms.
[–]Slaynne 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good choice. This was after a 16 year marriage and I found out she was cheating on me. Lots of failures on my part with that situation.
[–]ZeroSchool 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I got a vasectomy in my early 20's. Best fucking decision I ever made.
[–]Samoman21 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn! That much? Were you still able to afford food and rent and all?
Had to move and get a couple of roommates. Cinched the financial belt. No Netflix, or eating out really. It sucked for a while, for sure. All good now though.
[–]GremlinsIIGumbysBack 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, it’s expensive to raise a child. Someone has to pay for it, so we make it you, the deadbeat dad, instead of us, the taxpayers who know how to wrap it.
[–]Slaynne 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's a lot of assumptions my friend. You want to show me on the doll where the bad man touched you?
[–]GremlinsIIGumbysBack-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sorry you have to spend a percentage of your income supporting your child.
What assumptions did I just make in that sentence?
[–]Slaynne2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Alright. Let me rephrase the question then. Show me on the doll where I said anything about not wanting to support my kid?
[–]GremlinsIIGumbysBack-7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s a really funny joke so I don’t blame you for not wanting to let it die, but I can’t show you on a doll. I can show you your comment, though.
There are a couple states that are notorious for standard child support levels being through the roof. I was making ~$55k - $60k when I was in the military and California made me cough up $1700 monthly.
So, you gave your situation as an example of a state’s “notoriety for standard child support levels being through the roof.”
As an example of that notorious, evil act of making a dad pay to support his child, you claimed without evidence that California made you “cough up” less than two thousand dollars a month to suppprt a child that I’m assuming you’ll now claim to love and be a great father to, right? Despite the courts having to force you to support him or her adequately.
[–]Slaynne3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ahhh. There are the assumptions. I'm sure you have some more floating around in there. Please continue. I'm sure you're very correct about all of them.
[–]kangarooninjadonuts 222 points223 points224 points 6 years ago (257 children) | Copy Link
That's not all that unusual.
[–]Ger-Bear_69 455 points456 points457 points 6 years ago (137 children) | Copy Link
No. of people making $10k/m <<<< No. of people who lie on Twitter for likes
[–]puppy_mill 100 points101 points102 points 6 years ago (129 children) | Copy Link
I'd even say that its unlikely that someone is responsible enough to work a job that pays in the top 10% of income earners but not responsible enough to handle even part time custody of a kid or smart enough to understand how child support works.... but im sure stranger things have happened so who knows
[–]visual_account 67 points68 points69 points 6 years ago (118 children) | Copy Link
The woman who has the drive and work-ethic to rise to a position to earn $10,000 a month, is exactly the kind of woman who is reluctant to raise a child and give up her 70h-week job.
[–]meltedwhitechocolate 40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link
And if she had that drive and work ethic she would understand how child support works and that 500 a month to get rid of the problem is a fucking steal with her income.
[–]visual_account37 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She might still be a sexist who has never heard of a woman paying childsupport and refuses to believe that it's possible.
[–]meltedwhitechocolate9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Or you could just accept that it's the Internet and people lie here more often than not lol
[–]throwaway54326842 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Or you could just accept that people of both genders can be equally sexist and stupid.
[–][deleted]0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Um. No. Everyone knows that women can be ordered to pay child support lol.
Sounds like you have a straw-woman misandrist character you created in your mind to force this scenario to work lol. It’s just not likely at all that this happened.
Someone who makes over 100k a year, but doesn’t know how to manage her own birth control? Who informally abandons her child and then makes the dumb decision not to take a steal of a deal on child support? Because she’s “sexist” and “doesn’t know” that women get ordered to pay?
Even though it’s common knowledge that mother and fathers pay child support?
What a strange and odd scenario to force yourself to believe, rather than admit it’s an internet lie designed to fuel men’s resentment toward women 😂
[–]thegrand1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
you're making just as many assumptions, if not more, than the user you're replying to.
this is a just a dumb meme, your commentary on it says more about you than it does the meme itself. the fact you felt it necessary to inject all these assumptions about sexism and misandry into a discussion about a silly twitter post absolutely speaks volumes.
[–][deleted]1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sounds like you have no point and you’re just mad 🤷🏻♂️
i did make a point. sounds like you have no response. insert moronic emoji here
So you’re all out of ideas and just repeating my own comment back to me?
fuck. didn't realize you were a troll. you got me, i admit it. fair play. at least you're just trolling and not actually this braindead, quite the relief actually!
carry on, have a nice day
you’re not being trolled bro
lol cmon buddy. the username, the sheer amount of mass downvoted comments. it's obvious.
i already admitted you had me going, but im not THAT dumb, lol! no more fun to be had here, carry on, and have a good one.
[–]zeekohli2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If she was smart she would have just gotten an abortion
[–]BoatshoeBandit2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s the motherfuck of it all. She can terminate the pregnancy and her responsibility. The dude doesn’t have that choice.
[–]dontdonk1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If she was smart she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant. Either with protective sex, birth control, abstinence or a variation of all three..
Killing this guys future child because you’re a lazy piece of shit and can’t handle the repercussions of your choices is exactly why republicans want abortions banned.
[–]kw20241 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol no it isn’t
[–]dontdonk-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How uh.. alive would this guys kid be if she aborted it?
[–]xTheBigShow2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s like saying “surely that doctor wouldn’t be dumb enough to drive drunk” smart people do dumb shit
[–]TrueCrime1012 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's not like that at all. The doctor still knows DUIs exist before he does it.
And this woman knew child support existed before she did it.
[–]TrueCrime1011 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Child support is the alcohol. Increased child support is the DUI.
[–]xTheBigShow1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]meltedwhitechocolate1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
smart people do dumb shit
Yeah like believing that a fake twitter story is true.
[–]xTheBigShow0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Who cares if it’s true I’m just here for laughs
I’m just here for laughs
Try not taking things too seriously then man lmao what I just said was a joke.
Well it didn’t really land but that lmao put it over the top
Really seems like youre here for laughs my man...
[–]sluttymcbuttsex0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nothing you’ve said is funny, dawg.
Do you feel better about yourself now man?
I WILL NOT feel better until you say something funny.
[–]throwaway54326840 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
And if she had that drive and work ethic she would understand how child support works
Those two things arent related.
[–]here_for_the_meems 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
None of this matters because it's fake as fuck.
[–]MrMoonFace10000001 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What really? I just spent the last 10 minutes reading comments believing this shite.
[–]packardpa 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of sweeping generalizations in this comment.
[–]kw2024 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That happens with men too and idk if that’s actually true.
Tbh 10k/mo pre tax isn’t a ton of money. It’s $120k a year. Plenty of white collar jobs pay that much.
[–]36105728437281 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Especially in big cities. Here in NYC saying you make $120k/yr while not bad is also nothing to brag about.
Yeah, I make a little less than (in NYC) that and I’m only 22. It’s not really uncommon.
Also work 40 hours a week
[–]36105728437282 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Exactly. The Wall Street firm Jane Street is currently offering $70/hr plus housing valued at $5,500/month for software engineer interns. They require you to be at least a senior in undergrad so 21. The Wall Street firm I work at pays that much with similar benefit for people with a degree in finance or economics for a junior analyst position.
$120k for a young person with a degree from a good school in a desirable field is pretty average.
[–]zombifiednation 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol making a lot of generalizations there.
[–]MocDcStufffins 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are many jobs that pay super well and are full of incompetence and laziness. Way more than you would think.
[–]literal-hitler 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't worry though, I'm sure well over 10 people who earn under $1000 per month will step up and have several kids each to make up for it.
https://youtu.be/sP2tUW0HDHA
[–]ThrowawayToggg0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you're making 10k a month you can afford a nanny
[–]Extra_Intro_Version5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not in the US. Not even close.
[–]kbotc3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Let me put it this way: A nanny in Denver runs about double the child support payment mentioned in the article. It was just about half my monthly take home.
[–]Extra_Intro_Version1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That seems more realistic. The only people I’ve known who could afford domestic help were Indians in India or Mexicans in Mexico. Not common in US. Only the wealthy can afford it. $120k annually is not near enough.
[–]ChateauDeDangle -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago* (51 children) | Copy Link
10k a month is like around $130,000 salary before taxes. That’s not really a 70 hour work week salary.
Edit: I can tell the amount of people who don’t work here based on how many think my math is wrong. Most people don’t get paid monthly folks, they get paid weekly or bi weekly. Now divide $130,000 by 52 or 26, multiply that over a month, and let me know what you come out with.
[–]ILikeToArgueALot4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
10k x 12 = 120,000.....
What is the 13th month? Mecubuary?
[–]GreedyBeedy2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The last month is taxuary
[–]KungFluIsolation2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Depends where you live in the world. I've been paid 13 times a year. They take a month as 28 days or 4 weeks. You get paid every month and then twice at the end of the year.
[–]ILikeToArgueALot3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
365 / 28 = 13
Damn you make a good point.
Guess it depends wether you are paid "per week or 4 weeks" or on "a monthly salary"
[–]Faithlessness_Top1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's a horrible system though. You're losing 2-3 days of pay every month (except February) that could grow if you bought funds or stocks instead of letting the company sit on it until the end of the year. You're basically paying the company for not giving you your money. If you ever have the choice, do not choose to be paid based on 28 days.
[–]Andre271 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That would really depend on when they pay you no? If they just pay you every 28 days youre still getting the same amount of money per day with no company "banking". Infact that may be better since you get money more frequently if your bills and such are tight or something.
Still a bad system because you'll end up getting paid on different times of the month throughout the year. Which of course isn't a huge deal, but it fucks with routine and budgeting.
In this specific case though he said that they get paid every month like normal (so like a monthly salary but only for 28 days) and then got double payment at the end of month 12.
[–]KungFluIsolation1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
but it fucks with routine and budgeting.
again, depends where you live in the world. You can get weekly, fortnightly, monthly and yearly payments for bills. You just do the fortnight and have a bills account like you should do anyway.
In this specific case though he said that they get paid every month like normal (so like a monthly salary but only for 28 days) and then got double payment at the end of month 12
With a phat bonus they don't have to pay us. I'm not really complaining. I guess it could be abused.
But it's not a bonus. It's your money they've withheld from you.
It is a bonus when it is on top of both pays that month. I am not getting the second pay and a bonus mixed up, they are separate things and covered way more than the few % of interest i would have gotten. Without the bonus though I see your point.
[–]JohnnySkidmarx1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you’re paid every other week, then you are paid 26 times a year (52 weeks / 2).
[–]ChateauDeDangle1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
People aren’t paid by the month. They’re paid by the week. $130,000/ 52 weeks (or 26 if laid bi weekly) = $10,000 a month
[–]scalorn1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
People aren’t paid by the month.
I've only been paid monthly for over 20 years.
You'e in the minority. That sucks too, unless your monthly pay is based on the weeks you work. I had a job once that paid on the 1st and 15th of every month (i.e., only 24 pay periods instead of 26) and it was 100% to avoid paying employees an extra 4 weeks per year. I got outta there.
I've been salary for over 20 years. Generally 40 hours a week but no one is tracking the time closely. It's all about getting whatever was supposed to be done - done.
No overtime but on the other hand I know exactly how much I will be getting and when.
Took some getting used to initially but once you get your budget under control it's not a big deal.
[–]oowop2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My ex made 120 with a 40 hour work week lol, it's definitely not impossibl
[–]MocDcStufffins1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’m gonna make 160k this year on a 40 hour a week job. There are way more good paying jobs that allow laziness and incompetence than you would imagine.
[–]autonomousfailure1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Like what?
A whole lot of IT jobs. IT project management is a big one.
[–]thebigdirty2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
/r/theydidthemath
[–]Back_To_The_Oilfield1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
My life would definitely beg to differ. Well, my life a few months ago. Corona kinda fucked up the oilfield.
It certainly did. I hope you’re back to work soon!
[–]Neccesary1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Wtf are you talking about? It doesn’t matter if you get paid bi weekly or weekly, if you make $130000 a year it’s $130000
Check the posters below me. They don’t realize people are paid based on the weeks they work so they think $10,000 a month = $120,000 a year, but are wrong so I felt obligated to edit it since so many people are incorrect lol
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
very true.
[–]Nac82 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Wtf
[–]kw2024-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
High earning women bad!! Make small men feel insecure!!
[–]Nac822 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Right?
[–]chickencat443-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
?
It reads like an incel wrote it. Now the question is how many incels are going to pile on in defense.
[–]puppy_mill1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
are you talking about what I wrote??
[–]kw20242 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, the guy who responded to you
[–]DrMcClimateChange1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
There are plenty of successful people that are just garbage at child raising and relationships.
Employment is not a measure of goodness or morality.
[–]uhoogaloo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea, I think that guy underestimated how many people fail upwards. Hell, as someone making 9.5/m, I know plenty of people who make similar and, while not incompetent they primarily did so by job surfing.
Once you get a decent resume you can start hopping jobs and getting bumps far greater than you’d normally see in raises. %20 increases multiple times go a long ways. It doesn’t always take that long or that much skill.
I work in software engineering fwiw. I’m not all that talented (but I work hard). I consider myself lucky more than anything.
[–]bulletproof-ish 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While this isn’t exactly the same, my stepsons mom moved 9 hours away and married a man with his own 3 younger kids. She plays the victim and keeps trying to make the stepsons move to where she moved and was not paying much in child support (based on a verbal agreement before her move). Took her to court and she was to pay $2800 a month based on her income but we ended up only asking for about half that, because we don’t need that much for the kids. Plus she kept telling the kids we were trying to bankrupt her by asking for child support.
TLDR: Just because you are a high earning mother doesn’t mean you are a good mother
[–]ZeeMyth 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe she got there with the ruthlessness she showed here or something, you never really know
[–]CaptiveNIowa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know some stupid doctors...
[–]SmokeGoodEatGood 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Real estate
[–]-Mariners 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
However being a stripper, bikinirista, onlyfans can make good money but not scream "responsible"
[–]Ronaldoooope 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Or she’s a stripper lol
she wouldn't have to report cash tips as income
[–]_145_ 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
math checks out
[–]Maxmidget 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I work with a lot of wealthy people and i promise you they are just as petty and online as the rest of us.
[–]stoopid_dummy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Assuming this is real, part of this could be arrears tacked on. Could be... that's all I'm sayin. Still obviously would one helluva monthly income to be that much either way.
[–]NewFuturist 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I bet there are more people people in the US that earn above $10K a month than there are real active users in the US. Twitter monthly active users is reported to be 48 million, but there are many fake accounts. $10k a month is nearly exactly the 10th percentile.
[–]AtomicKittenz -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hell, we have a world leader that is the best at it. Believe me!
[–]YeshuaMedaber0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why didn't you type out "number"?
[–]nobbert6660 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
<<<<<< people on Reddit who are too poor to fathom that other people are capable of making $10k a month
[–]ShooterMcStabbins 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago* (26 children) | Copy Link
For just 100k pre-tax
“According to new data from polling company YouGov exclusively shared with Yahoo Finance, just 9% of Americans are earning $100,000 or more a year.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-millennials-have-higher-salaries-than-gen-xers-boomers-185011477.html
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the median weekly earnings across all ages, races, and both genders was $908 for the most recent quarter of 2019. That translates into just over $47,000 for the year.
120k even before taxes for a single individual is still pretty damn rare if you ask me
https://www.census.gov/content/census/en/library/publications/2018/demo/p60-263.html
Edit: Who doesn’t love a good semantic argument? Me that’s who. I should have known before I posted any stats that this would boil down to a semantic argument about what “rare” means. I apologize for opening this box of worms I have only myself to blame. 120K is a ton of money to me and in my community you would be one of the richest people in town and that amount obviously means something absolutely different in SanFrancisco or NewYork so there’s another debate to be had about weighting the numbers based on cost of living. Still, for me, less than 10% would constitute rare especially when the upper percentages include the extravagantly wealthy. It’s not just 10% making 100k that’s simply the poorest of that top 10%. It also seems many are confusing household income with individual so keep that in mind. Again, my apologies please use your own judgement. Keep in mind plenty of people who make 200k a year still see themselves as middle class or even poor; wealth can seem quite relative once you get past the point of worrying about survival which many people are not.
[–]davdev 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Entirely depends on where you live. Where I am from cops, nurses, fireman, electricians etc all make well north of 100k after about a decades worth of experience.
[–]TheBasik 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here. Chicago electricians easily make 100k a year if you work steady.
[–]1Random_User 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
In 2018 the NYC teacher's salary cap was raised to 128k if I recall.
Even famously low paid jobs can make decent cash in some areas.
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
in places where cheap rent is 2500 a month
[–]1Random_User1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You do the thing everyone else does and don't live in Manhattan. Either live in an outer burrow or live in *shudder* Jersey. Though NJ teacher salaries are above average too, so the commute might not be worth the 10k average salary bump.
I also said *decent* not highly paid. The median household income in NYC is like 57k, which is about the starting salary for a teacher in the city. Earning the median income of a household in your area right out of school is not *bad*.
[–]slyrz 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
which city is that if I may know? I'm an electrician trying to move away from FL.
[–]davdev 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am just outside Boston.
[–]UncitedClaims 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You make it sound like somewhere between 1/10 and 1/20 people make 120k a year pre-tax.
So it's not the norm, but it's not very rare either.
[–]hiimbob451 points 6 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
9% is between 1/10 and 1/20.
[–]UncitedClaims 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, and a little under 9% of people make 120k a year, so it's honestly fairly common.
Nowadays you probably aren't rich if you make that much.
[–]SamBBMe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is that median household or median personal?
[–]An_Antagonist 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
But that’s still almost 30 million people making 100k+. I wouldn’t necessarily say “rare”.
[–]danzilla0071 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
It's actually ~14.5 million people because it's 9% of the work force.
[–]An_Antagonist 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You right.
[–]KayIslandDrunk 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Still about 50% more than the entire metro area of Chicago.
[–]theoldwisemen 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wonder if that takes into account the labor force or the actual population and if it includes household income or by capita.
[–]danzilla0071 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a percentage of the work force, unless otherwise stated. This is standard because 24% of US are under 18, and another 15% are 65 and over. So 9% of total would become 22% of ages 18-64 making $100k+, which is absurd.
[–]theoldwisemen1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ahh okay that helps cause I'm pretty sure the guy above me was assuming 10% of the actual population which was odd.
[–]Arcosah 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's like 5% of Americans, it's rare dude.
[–]ysisverynice 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People with 100k+ salaries are going to be concentrated in high cost of living areas. So for some people it will seem rare but for others it's much more common.
[–]BrokeAssBrewer 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I doubt that figure it weighted against cost of living. There are so many pseudo-6 figure salaries on the coasts and in major cities that are as economically effective as making 35k in a less desirable market. 6 figures is the poverty line in most of CA
[–]UltimateSausage1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Depends massively where you live. If you live deep in NYC, the Bay Area, or other high cost of living places, you need 100k pre-tax just to live.
[–]Dr_Mix 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you make some great points. It definitely is not the most common wage.
[–]yaboyjiggleclay 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
With OnlyFans rise in popularity I can def see it tbh
[–]truth_sentinell 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why Is that
[–]rabidbot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That would put her in like 8% of all Americans
[–]here_for_the_meems 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
TIL being in the top 8% of US income levels is not unusual.
Why would you post such a dumb comment, and why would so many people upvote it...
[–]oiuwej06081 points 6 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
How much of that 92% is part time or entry level work? I’m in my 30s and a good percentage of people I know are making 6 figures.
[–]truth_sentinell 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's exactly what confirmation bias is. Do you know there are like 300 million people in the US?
[–]gagnonca -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Stats don’t care with your circle of friends.
[–]Jmsaint 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
8% of Americans is 26 million people. Itshsrdly unbelievable that this 1 person could be in that group.
[–]geodebug 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Closer to 10%. It’s not typical but it is hardly unusual.
Consider only 2-6% of people have natural red hair and yet they aren’t hard to find.
[–]stoopid_dummy 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... to be loved by anyone
[–]JoshAllenforMessiah 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For a woman abandoning a child... it really is.
[–]drunxor0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Damn I dont wanna be unusual then
[–]Ryann_4200 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Wise up that’s an insane amount of money to make.
[–]scientz3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Depends on the area. In high cost of living areas the incomes are high too. 150k is a mid-to-senior IC level software engineer salary for example. I know many late 20 year olds making that on East Coast. Its statistically a lot, but far from "insane".
[–]IIceWeasellzz2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm an early 20 yr old and I'm making just shy of that. it's not that uncommon as people want you to believe.
[–]Ryann_4201 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Americans are so out of touch
[–]scientz1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not sure what you are talking about. I come from an Eastern European country where making 25-30k a year was really high salary. I moved to the US and on the East Coast that was comparable with about 100-120k a year in terms of cost of living. Its not about comparing numbers but also the context. 120k a year back at home I would be rich as fuck. In the US that puts me in a comfortable position but nowhere near being wealthy.
Fair enough
[+]TheHadMatter15 -23 points-22 points-21 points 6 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link
Yeah except I'm pretty sure that a woman making over $10k a month wouldn't go through the trouble of giving birth only to ditch the kid and never pay for it.
If women don't care about the child, they have an abortion, they don't give birth (which is also the reason why dads end up ditching a family 95% of the time).
[–]kangarooninjadonuts 83 points84 points85 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, because women are predictable and never do anything crazy. Lol
[–]iApolloDusk -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
It's not a matter of predictibility. It's just more so statistical likelihood. The idea that a woman pulling in 6 figures becomes pregnant, doesn't want the child, doesn't abort it, and then abandons said child is infinitely less likely than it being a made-up lie that so many people want to believe because they're tired of seeing women do the same shit to men. Just statistically speaking here, people of higher socioeconomic statuses (like the woman mentioned in the Tweet) are just far less likely to do that type of shit. There's less overall child abandonment among the rich than among the poor and it's ultimately from a lack of education, instilled family values, and personal responsibility.
[–]PartypantsPete1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Ah yes, because women who make money are never opposed to abortion. Everyone know that if you have money then you’re perfectly fine with abortion and all moral objections that keep the average woman from getting an abortion just go out the window, eh?
[–]iApolloDusk0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Statistics don't lie bud. https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-income
Mind you, I never said impossible but highly unlikely. Regardless, that's one of three parts of my argument so I don't know why you focused on the one that is mostly easily proven with statistics lmao. Poor people get abortions more often. Women of higher socioeconomic status keep their children and are less likely to abandon overall.
[–]steamd-rice-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’m not the redditor you’re arguing with but both of you are completely one sided. You gotta fuckin stop and remember that both of you have very valid points. Stop fucking each other and listen to each other
[–]InstigaTORxx 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Totally agree with you and it’s a logical conclusion to what’s more likely , it doest mean that the other option is impossible but logic says it’s less likely is all.
The guy below doest want to even acknowledge that there are other possibilities because it doest fit the overall hate .
Bam my logical conclusion :p
[–]iApolloDusk1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah. This sub has really gone downhill. It used to be bus drivers punching women cuz they were being cunts and even being physically violent to them. It was about breaking down that protected female status of them being allowed to be violent and cunty without repurcussion. Now it's just become a load of incels and broken men that have of mix of being either too unattractive, having no personality, having unrealistically high standards, or just overall not being a good person being cunts to women. Not saying that the hypothetical woman (assuming she's real) in this post wouldn't deserve that, but the dudes on here eat that shit up. It's just another subreddit just like r/MGTOW. I'm not a feminist by any stretch of the imagination (especially not on-board with most of the third-wave shit), but good God the women hate on here is bad. Yes, women have a societal advantage while holding legally equal rights- but it doesn't give you an excuse to be a cunt to womankind because they won't mate with you lmao.
[–]AllAloneAgain21670 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Your using statistics and all but here’s the thing, your statistics still say it happens. Just because it doesn’t happen as often doesn’t just invalidate that part of the statistic.
It’s one of the many many probable outcomes in someone’s life, they succeeded in getting child support for their kid as a single dad, they post it on Instagram, it grabs the attention of people and ends up in hot or whatever they call it over there, it gets cross posted here. That isn’t an impossible situation, just an unlikely one.
Fair, but I never said that it was impossible, I just said highly unlikely. Given the fact that it's infinitely more likely that it was made up to make broken men feel like there's some equality in justice in the world, I'm siding with that given the likelihood since there's just really no proof. People make shit up. It's the internet and the stats side with me given how unimaginably unlikely that they fulfilled all three aforementioned criteria and had a judge mandate that the woman pay that much. This could would be a 1/100,000,000 occurrence. So yes, possible, but far more likely to be a BS story.
Your stating how you never said it’s impossible, then immediately contradict yourself by calling it “infinitely unlikely” and “unimaginably unlikely”. Both terms that quite frankly are just a buttered up version of “impossible” that takes the smallest possible note of the existence of the other possibility.
Could it be a lie? Yes everything on the internet could be a lie made with an agenda, good or bad, but to use a statistic as a means to say this is a lie is a whole other story.
Let’s use another example. Women sometimes falsely accuse men of rape, even fewer times the woman is punished for it. If someone were to post about their success story, would you say based on statistics that it must or be “unimaginably likely” that it’s a lie?
Simplified: Would you demand an interrogation of every detail to even slightly believe something in the statistical minority but completely believe someone with a story that puts them hugely in the statistical majority?
Now I’m going to show my own biased in this last part. Are you aware that statistics only show probability and that much like the 0 on a roulette table, there is a possibility and it’s far more than unimaginable that the ball lands on it despite the low likelihood? Are you aware that some (keyword some) statistics, even government backed, use targeted audiences to achieve the results they desire? Are you aware that statistics require information they can’t always fully gather, such as things that are unreported or so minor that they escape their radar or simply decide to ignore? Are you aware there are currently several billions of humans on this earth each living their own lives, not cookie cutter this way or that way lives just because a statistic says this many people are this and this many people are that, and are changing every single second of every day adding even more factors to those already (temporarily) finalized statistics(/have to wait for a means of collecting that new information that again cant cover the unreported) and that statistics have to be seen with a grain of salt that humanity is ever changing?
It's not a matter of predictibility. It's just more so statistical likelihood.
omfg you are so fucking stu...
Forgetting the "It's not X it's just X" you started the paragraph out with; you do know statistically if it says 90% do X or will do X; that infers that 10% do not do X.
So when you talk about "statistical likelihood"(PREDICTABILITY) you're not really saying much here. You also are making assumptions you do not know to be true.
You keep saying things like "IF SHE MADE X; IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY FOR HER TO DO Y STATISTICALLY" okay back that the fuck up with sources right now or fucking stop saying it.
Even if you did back it up; unlikely =/= wouldn't do it. Just given a sample size of women in her age range; income level she would be unlikely to do it statistically.
But you know the worst part of all this? Statistically 100k is not a lot for a stripper or an escort to make. Religion is a hell of a drug as in family pressure.
HUR DUR HOW COULD A WOMEN MAKE 100K A YEAR LEGALLY BUT ALSO GIVE UP HER BABY NO WOMEN WOULD DO THAT.
Your reasoning is a fucking joke. I don't care if she's a stripper or an astronaut; I don't care if the story is true.
I'm just saying your reasoning is dog shit.
God you're such a triggered little cunt aren't you lmao.
Okay, to provide sources for my statements:
Poor people having unwanted pregnancy more commonly: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/unintended-pregnancy-united-states
Same site for poor people aborting children more commonly to further support the aforementioned statement: https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-income
By this logic, it can be reasoned (drawing a conclusion based on the numbers) that women of higher socioeconomic status are less likely to abandon their children as frequently as poor people simply because they have fewer unwanted pregnancies which leads to fewer abortions.
I never said that it was impossible, just that the stats made it seem unlikely. The fact that you read what I posted and went, "HURR DURR HE THINKS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. ANGRY FAILED STATISTICIAN KEYBOARD WARRIOR MODE ENGAGE" says leaps and bounds about your readint comprehension. I get how statistics work. It's not impossible, but when things are less likely to be true than so it makes more sense to bet that way. The odds that a woman making a significant income (likely being of higher socioeconomic status since strippers and the like are an enormoue minority of people in that bracket) becoming pregnant and not wanting the kid, not getting an abortion, not giving it up for adoption, and then finally not even hiring a full-time nanny- which would undoubtedly be cheaper- are just so enormously low. Not only that, but to also find a judge that makes a woman not only pay child support, but at a significant rate too, also adds to the unlikeliness.
To reaffirm, I never said that this situation was impossible- just incredibly unlikely. It's far more reasonable that the post was made by a broken man for other broken men hoping to give them justice boners- or just the same an incel giving other incels justice boners cuz women bad.
[–]KongQiuBBQ 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What if they regret giving birth?
[–]DisWastingMyTime 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They'd still support it, what you're talking about is pretty much a statistical anomaly at this socioeconomic bracket, for women none the less.
It's a lot more likely that the twitter guy is lying
[–]Jiigsi 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And that's it, isn't it? It's just less likely to happen.
Why are people acting as if statistics invalidate any kind of anomaly from the norm
[–]DisWastingMyTime1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Statistical anomaly doesn't imply it's just less likely to happen, it implies that it's unlikely to have happened in quite a margin.
It's truly a magical world you live in if you're willing to believe a lucky anomaly happened instead of someone lying a bit on the internet, of course anomalies happen, but it's still be pretty silly to go with that when you're trying to understand if it actually happened
[–]Jiigsi1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, it's silly to assume a person is lying just, because that thing is statistically unlikely to happen. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to perceive any news story at all -- yesterday a city bus driver have gone off road and crashed, cuz he was high on amphetamine and it was the first accident like that ever recorded in my country. According to you it didn't happen - he was just drunk
I live in real world, not some computer generated stimulation. He could lie, he could also be telling the truth and stats aren't a clear indication of what happened there.
Verifiable news report of a mundane event, even if rare when you go into details != Some guy boasting on twitter on how he owned his ex.
Id be suspicious about him even if it wasn't an anomaly, it's the full context, the setting, content and individual coupled with the statistical anomaly that makes me choose to believe it didn't happen, but yes, the key word here is believe.
People lie about the weirdest smallest things when it comes to ego battles on social media
[–]MazeeMoo 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some women won't have an abortion, even if they don't want to raise the child. Some give the kid up for adoption. Some give custody up to the baby daddy if they want custody before adoption takes place.
[–]I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Im glad to hear you know all families in the world!
[–]iApolloDusk-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's just more statistically likely based on how people within given socioeconomic classes act. Upper/Upper-middle class people are far less likely to have an unwanted pregnancy, go through with the birth, and then the woman give up the child. Men are also less likely to abandon their children in said status. Unwanted pregnancy, birthing said child, and then either parent abandoning it is typically the actions of people in lower socioeconomic statuses, statistically speaking. It comes down to education, family values, and sense of responsibility (or lack thereof in all three categories).
[–]I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are guessing and it’s hilarious!
You also make a judgement about someone you haven’t met, based on no real research. You are tying to seem smart, but when you say things like “I am pretty sure” you really just look like a fool.
I'm not going to keep re-arguing this same shit because I've posted sources twice already and, quite frankly, you're not worth copying and pasting for. If you care so much, go search the thread.
So I'll simply say this. Sure. I don't know them, but it's far more likely to be fake than it is to be true given that incels make this type of shit up to give other incels justice boners all the time.
Keep up your ignorance it looks great on you!
Okay bud. You've literally said nothing to counter any of my claims, meanwhile I've cited sources. If you refuse to seek them out because your fragile little ego is so afraid of being wrong- then that's on you. I'm muting this comment because you have nothing to offer this conversation. Shoo pathetic insect.
[–]I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Keep pushing false narratives and fake straw man arguments and feel like a big man lol.
You can’t see that when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
PS: you didn’t post any sources or facts that proved anything.
[–]Tonroz 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah because people are always rational
[–]iApolloDusk-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's not a matter of rationality, it's a matter of statistical fact. It doesn't speak for all people of that socioeconomic status, but if you're pulling in 6 figures (which 10k/month for a year would do) you're in such a social class that it is infinitely more unlikely for a woman to
A.) Have an unwanted pregnancy
B.) Have an unwanted pregnancy and proceed to give birth
and,
C.) Have given birth to an unwanted child and then give them up to the man.
That's typically the kind of stuff that poor people do. I'm not trying to make this a rich vs poor thing, but it ultimately comes down to social class and the respective education of said groups. People of lower socioeconomic are just statistically status more likely to fulfill the three criteria above.
[–]CapitalMM1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This person is absolutely right.
You just would not hear about this, unless they made the money due to being celebrities.
[–]SubmissiveJew 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Sadly you obviously dont have an open mind ... Think of it this way
Woman makes over 10k a month gets pregnant but knows getting an abortion comes with some serious risks so she paranoid and decides to have the kid but gives the father full custody so she doesnt have to feel bad in anyway about potentially giving the kid to Child Services and she can continue her career since she is most likely a materialistic individual ... I know 2 women growing up that abandoned their children with their biological fathers because the mothers are deadbeats like this one
[–]QuintenBoosje 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
isn't childbirth riskier than abortion?
[–]Cizuz1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you think people make rational decisions; and do you think rational decisions only mean the decision you would make?
I.e. while abortion is rational religion exists; and while that may not be a "rational reason" you would use to make your decision; women do use that reasoning to justify not having an abortion. That and family pressure; the want to have a child; and also peer pressure.
Hell most people have no issues assuming dads are dead beats but when it comes to moms "SHE MAKES TO MUCH WHY WOULD SHE ABANDON HER CHILD" like... WE WANT EQUALITY; MEN AND WOMEN ARE THE SAME; YET WE JUST PRETEND ALL MEN ARE JUST DEAD BEATS AND IT MAKES SENSE HE'S AN ASSHOLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE MAKES... but "NO WOMEN WOULD EVER DO THAT HUR DUR!!!" and it's just stupid.
[–]QuintenBoosje1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
you're directing your energy at the wrong person. I could not give two shits tbh
[–]SubmissiveJew 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you are 100 lbs having a child ya probably but I mean child birth has had its risks since the beginning of time abortion can cause women to not have children again .. lose all feeling internally ... period alterations from scarring heavy flow from light flow list can go on I'm naming the ones I can think of
[–]QuintenBoosje3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Mhm, and I have worked at ob-gyn ward for quite some time and have no idea what you mean by "lose all feeling internally". But I do know that pregancy has a higher risk of causing women to not have children again due to many factors including scarring, rhesus-related issues, hormone imbalances etc. not to mention mental health issues that have a much higher risk of presenting when carrying to term.
The amount of readmission after abortion is significantly (and I mean significantly) lower.
[–]potatopotatopot1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, you’re just plain wrong. Medical terminations performed by trained professionals are incredibly safe procedures for women. Please find out the facts: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/how-safe-is-an-in-clinic-abortion
[–]wtgreen 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both my nephew and a friend had their baby momma abandon them with their child. Usually happens when they meet someone else and they don't want to be tied down with a child.
[–]zaxes1234 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yes women. The most obvious and predictable 50% of the population. Asshat
[–]oleboogerhays 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So confidently wrong, I'm impressed.
[–]chxlarm1 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound 15 years old
[–]dekachin5 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
OP claims she makes $150k a year. Unusual? yeah it is:
First, OP is in pakistan, so the post is fake.
$150k/year for an individual (not household) is very high.
Women make mess money than men. Younger people, which these are, make less money. Let's say age 30. That puts this woman in the 99th percentile if true. She's basically the 1%.
On top of all that, she appears to be black. Not "Obama" black, either. Actual black. "I ain't givin you shit" black. These women grossly underperform other races in income. So she's not the 1%, she's more like the top 0.1%.
If she was real, which she isn't.
[–]Indecisively 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You realize that OP did not post this on Twitter right?
[–]serious_grey[S] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
“OP is in Pakistan so the post is fake” If racism had a face
[–]dekachin5 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Explain to me how the nation you are living in being inconsistent with your story implicates racism.
If you were living in Russia, I'd have called you out as fake all the same.
[–]bonbonbon- 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How are people this ducking stupid? OP and the person that posted the tweet are two different people
[–]serious_grey-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ohh you are living in america got it.
[–]Three-Witches 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but the guy in the screenshot used the phrase "baby momma". People who use that phrase usually aren't having kids with doctors and lawyers. And anyone making that kind of money would most likely be educated and probably knows that $500 is a steal for child support if they were actually making bookoo cash.
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
lmao people in every field use the term baby moma thats fucking dumb
[–]Three-Witches 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
uhh...no they don't. where are you from that you consider this normal speech? I hate to break it to you but this phrase belongs to the language of the uneducated lower class.
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
you sound like a dweeb incel. baby momma is popular speech by now. its on television and in music, everyone uses it and the fact that you think 1. language is devided by class and 2. someone who makes 6 figures is automatically a higher class thats speaks differently, shows that you are poor yourself and don't socialise with others very well.
[–]Three-Witches2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
baby momma is popular speech by now. its on television and in music, everyone uses it
Name me some famous people who use the phrase in a SERIOUS manner who aren't rappers or people who came out of poverty or who aren't just trying to appeal to poor people by mimicking their speech.
I make 100k+ a year qnd I use that term what do you think of that
[–]Three-Witches1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'll ask you again: Name me some famous people who use the phrase in a SERIOUS manner who aren't rappers or people who came out of poverty or who aren't just trying to appeal to poor people by mimicking their speech.
You can have money and still be low class.
any person I say you will just claim doesn't count. plus we arnt claiming this person is a celebrity just that this person makes 100k+ a year which doesn't make them some sort of socialite or fancy pants!
[–]Three-Witches0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm going to lineman school in a month. the only thing that I'm nervous about is if I'll be able to find a job when I get out. is there a good job market for them?
lol. you're blue collar. you grew up around other blue collar / low class people who use that phrase and you think it's normal. It's not. I get that you think it is because it's all you know but it's not normal American speech. Deal with it.
P.S. RELEVANT
you sound like an elitist asshole but chances are you arnt even elite you are just an asshole
and you grew up with some silver spoon and that makes you better than me??? fuck off your just mad because I started off with less than you and I have more than you at 24 years old. ass hole what have you done
ass hole what have you done
I'm an engineer. Got laid off recently which sucks though. but at least I'm honest. You said you were just starting lineman school. Have you even finished? You know you have be an apprentice for a while right? Do yourself a favor and stop telling people that you make 100k a year. That shit's only going to bite you in the ass and make you look bad when people realize it's not true.
I hope you do eventually make 100k a year. Anyway that's not what this is about. I've just been trying to tell you that most Americans don't use that phrase in any serious way. It's slang that only a tiny portion of the population uses.
yeah I finished school and just started my job and yeah it pays 100k+ cause of overtime and per diem
[–]serious_grey[S] 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Child support for one kid is about 12% so the father asked her to pay 500 but she denied and he took her to court the judge asked for her financial, now she was doing tax evasion so she settled on something.
Or she is just rich.
[–]OSHA_certified 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link
It depends on the state, and alimony could also be present, and there are also a lot of other determining factors. There are some cases where up to 60% of wages were garnished for child support only, not including alimony.
[–]Predicted 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck do you even do in that situation
[–]maschetoquevos 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Take a plane to Argentina and never come back, fuck them. Fake your own death also can be a good plan.
[–]MyDogSharts-7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It doesn’t happen, which is why there’s no source in that comment. Don’t fall into the Reddit mysogyny trap.
[–]Predicted7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
According to this https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/is-maximum-amount-can-garnished-wages-child-support.html its not.
Granted, i just googled 60% child support, and i have no idea if thats a real lawyer, but it was the first i found and it explicitly states that you can have up to 60% of your wages garnished.
[–]MyDogSharts-9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Granted, i just googled 60% child support, and i have no idea if thats a real lawyer, but it was the first i found
Well there you have it, folks! Why even go to law school anymore, this guy figured it out just like that! 🙄
People, seriously— don’t just believe the shit you see on Reddit. Often it literally is based, at best, on the kind of in-depth research described above.
Im getting a feeling youre projecting your own lack of research onto others.
I of course cant guarantee my source is correct based on what i stated, but it seems like its a credible website.
If its wrong i would love to see it, but right now you seem like youve got an ideological axe to grind.
[–]MyDogSharts-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Are you asking for the most extreme judgment possible on a child support case, or how could suppprt works for 99% of the population?
[–]TMADeviant8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
do you know what up to means?
[–]MyDogSharts0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So you want to find what some billionaire pays and pretend that’s what everyone would experience.
[–]AnonymouslyJordan3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes cause that's exactly what up to means. And I doubt billionaires are paying 60% of their earnings. They can actually afford good lawyers to help get that down.
[–]MyDogSharts1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lawyers have nothing to do with it. There’s a set equation that tells you what you owe.
Lawyers are for things like custody.
[–]TMADeviant2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
do you know how % works?
[–]Dullgouge301 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Could be including back child support. So that may be a short term number. Once the back payments are done they will get lower.
[–]S0CIOPATH 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It depends on the state
or a country. US is not the only one using $ symbol for the currency.
[–]OSHA_certified 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, that is also a fair point.
[–]micksack 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you really think this is real.
[–]timski9000 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No shot. Wasn’t real the first several times it was posted either.
[–]Hippo_Operator 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought the same thing.
[–]serious_grey[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
About 150k usd yearly
[–]RDwelve 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Somebody making $150k a year is not going to risk a court trial over $500
[–]skipearth1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Used to work in court those are exactly the people who risk and fight for giving nothing
[–]RDwelve-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't believe you
[–]Whiskey-Papa 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just because you make 150k doesn't mean you make good decisions. Plus depending on where you live 150k isn't that crazy.
[–]RDwelve0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah, but it's a lot more likely that you're able to avoid bad decisions for a longer period of time.
[–]1_Bearded_Dude1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I don’t know. I don’t make 150k, but I do make over 100k, and I don’t like to give up my money. Currently my wife is upset because I don’t want to spend 10 dollars on an extra toddler potty seat for our downstairs bathroom, so we have to carry him to the upstairs potty every time he needs to go.
It’s not quite “risking a court case”, but I understand the idea of not wanting to give up any amount of money until forced to.
[–]Vloff 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not the greatest analogy because your option is spend $10 or dont. It's not the same as risking thousands more by not getting it.
She obviously makes good money and in no world was she going to get off with paying less than $500 a month.
I dont like giving up money either but it would be like skipping routine maintenance on a car to save money and then having to buy a new car. Foolish.
[–]nicematt900 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The more money you have, the more want.
[–]RDwelve1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you're making $150k a year you'll understand the basics of rationality and law. You're not going to risk a case where you might lose many times that while having NO defense at all. Let me make a wild guess and assume that you don't make $150k a year?
[–]sootoor2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You know what you're talking about. The rest of this thread thinks 150k a year is "pretty common"
What a delusional sub
[–]nicematt901 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Im referring to the increasing marginal utility of money power and drugs. Im guessing you're not familiar with that term?
Are you?
[–]TheRapistsFor800 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She may have really pissed off the judge as well.
[–]taytaydivvy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I make over $10k/month (gross) and if I had to suddenly give up $1750/month - holy shit, that would be hard.
[–]Chri5ti4n733 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably has a fans only
[–]Japjer 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Came here to say this.
My ex and I have joint custody of our kid and see him just about equally. Due to the fact he spends literally six hours there more than here I pay child support.
My ex just puts all that into a savings account for him, so I've never bothered to actually go to court and reduce it.
I pay the standard 17% gross. It comes to about $240/mo. I make $50k/yr.
If 50k/yr has a normal, unaltered support rate of $250 per month, the OP here must be making... $250,000 per year?
[–]MiscllaneousShitPost 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or, more likely, it's fake.
[–]aurortonks 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In some states, child support can be up to 60% of the parent's gross income. So, she could be making less than 5k a month and still have to pay this amount.
[–]charmandaaa 497 points498 points499 points 6 years ago (60 children) | Copy Link
People are so quick to say this is fake. Have you guys ever been through court for child support? Because I don’t think you have lol. Based where I live in order to get this you’d simply have to make over 100,000 a year which is definitely not unheard of. They don’t base child support on monthly income, they base it on overall gross yearly income, before taxes and they don’t give a shit about your bills. Judges also tend to be much harder on someone who refused to step up and help raise their child.
[–]cantadmittoposting 189 points190 points191 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I got 692/mo when my gross was $55k, the child support calcs in some states are absolutely fucking garbage
[–]throwaway75693 49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I pay $525 a month and grossed just under 35k last year.
Oh, and I have my kid for over half the year with the way our schedule works
[–]cantadmittoposting 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that adds to the insanity, paying during the months you have custody. I asked about that and iirc at 50% custody the monthly payment would have only gone down about ~20-25% and I would have still continued to pay monthly for the half the year I had custody as well. Which is absolutely nuts, it's basically paying a straight up penalty at that point.
[–]charmandaaa 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That absolutely is garbage ! I live in Canada and one of the most expensive provinces to pay child support. My bf got lucky and made an agreement with his BM but his BMs new husband pays a lot more than this per child and he makes roughly 200k a year.
For all we know this judge could’ve also made this BM pay back pay for months she’s missed over who knows how long, it could include alimony or as I said the judge straight up fucked her because she refused to be a damn adult and take responsibility for her shit.
[–]pbj986 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I pay $400 a month myself for my four kids and their mother only has them 1 day a month more than I do.
[–]drunxor1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (35 children) | Copy Link
Can you share this simple plan to make $100k a year pls
[–]davdev 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Go to nursing school and then move to the Northeast. In less than 10 years you will be at 100k. In 20 years you will be getting closer to 200k
Source: wife is a Boston nurse.
[–]greeneyedbaby190 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Apparently I need to move to the Northeast....what's that cost of living look like though? I'm an ICU RN (3 years) in the Southwest making nearly 70k gross. I work at the highest paying hospital in a 300 mile radius.... Anywhere else would be 17k less per year.
[–]Marialagos 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In Boston? RIP paycheck.
[–]davdev 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In Boston rent for a tiny studio in a crappy neighborhood will start at 2k a month. In the burbs it will start at 1500. I live about 30 minutes from downtown and there is no housing inventory under 500k even for condos. That only goes up the closer you get to downtown Boston.
[–]Teasea1000 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hit the jackpot I guess. I make over 100k as a nurse but I don’t live in a super high income area. It’s California but it’s not crazy high
[–]Agent_Dutchess 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://i.imgur.com/LNSskOt.png
[–]hivebroodling 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah but then you live in the NorthEast
[–]davdev 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You mean the civilized part of the country?
[–]charmandaaa0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The states is much much different than Canada I’d say. To become an RN where I live it’s 3-4 years and roughly 100k to start.
Doctors of course make a shit ton more but also put in a lot more schooling lol.
[–]jankemisgoodbruv7 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Holy fuck, I should have became a nurse instead of a drug addict
[–]CouldWouldShouldBot3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's 'should have', never 'should of'.
Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Damn next time I should of used should have i'll think of you.
[–]CouldWouldShouldBot2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Damn I should of used should have again. I just keep forgetting. Thanks bro.
So should have not used should of got it.
[–]davdev2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Residents make absolutely nothing though. Attendings of course make good money but their paychecks are significantly less than nurses until they are in their mid thirties.
[–]JoshAllenforMessiah2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
100K Canadian...
[–]charmandaaa-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What do you even mean “ simple plan “ ? It’s called get a decent job? Lmao. My bf makes over 100k a year, each one of my parents makes over 100k a year, plenty of people make over 100k a year. No I cannot share a simple plan because it’s going to vary depending on where you live. My bf drives a train for a living, my moms a teacher, my dads a fire chief, I have friends who are electricians who break well over 100k, I have health care worker friends who make just 100k or a bit more. Really isn’t that hard if you have an education and pick the right career path.
[–]TGY_75-702 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What job is decent I really want to know
[–]Pakaran2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Software engineering is a good one
What about welder ?
[–]DrunkWino3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There's usually way more work than there are welders. If you want six figures, go into underwater wielding.
[–]charmandaaa1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I just named a few... lol
[–]Adyx-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Swear you Americans have massively inflated wages.
The same person in England would earn 50k for a decent union train driving job which would be way out the norm. But goodluck getting into that position as it's based on nothing but unions as you need no education to do it. Know the right people kind of deal Teachers.... lol, 25k? Maybe even less starting. 30k if youre a head of department etc? Fire chief? No idea, but firemen under 30k. Electrician 30k, maybe 50k+ if overtime and surplus of work. But again this is very up and down
Healthcare workers? Minimun wage.
[–]TheBasik2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s the thing people don’t talk about when it comes down to America vs Europe. We don’t get things guaranteed like health insurance or PTO but our wages are much higher and our taxes are generally much lower. I make just under 100k a year in the States as an electrician and that’s after taking 5-6 weeks of unpaid vacation time. Last year I think I took like 7. But if I got laid off I’d probably have a bigger struggle than someone in Europe for the time being. Pros and cons to everything.
My boyfriend works for one of Canada’s largest rail companies, he’s been there for years and doesn’t even make remotely close to what people who have been there for 20+ years make. Those people are almost breaking 200k, as I said it’s going to vary where you live but you also need to account for inflation... we have some of the most expensive housing markets in the world. Want a run down beat to crap 1950s 2bdrm 2bath? 1mill for one of those. Anything nicer? You’re easily looking at over 1.3 million dollars. A two storey home is on average 2.1 million.
Edit: source
[–]jankemisgoodbruv1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
In America the average person in these careers is probably making closer to your numbers
[–]idothingsheren1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Keep in mind that America is fucking massive. I’ve been offered 70k USD on one side of the country, and 140k USD on the other for the exact same work (data science)
California alone is 3x the size of Britain. The US has huge variability in wages because we also have huge variability in the cost of living
[–]angels-fan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I always thought it was based on a formula.
How can a judge be harsher than the formula?
[–]The_Real_Bobby_Hill 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
cause judges can do whatever they want
[–]The_Real_Bobby_Hill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
they base it on overall gross yearly income
for both mother and father combined
[–]DaftyMcCuntflaps 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s fake because it’s either a parody or just a clout chasing tweet. I see the exact same tweet a couple of times a month from several different twitter accounts. Most are from the perspective of the baby mother, this person has just flipped the genders.
[–]spicyboi619 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's such a scam. I know some ppl need it but my mom made more than my dad as a kid and he just did construction and odd jobs. They asked him for something like 1500 a month plus he still had to pay rent and phone bill and all that.
When he couldn't pay he'd get locked up, you still have to pay while in jail so he'd get out and be about 5k behind what he already was. Get locked up again for the same offence. Also it's for the state, not the momma/baby daddy. My mom mailed the state capital and went to court saying she didn't need the payments and it was ruining my dad's life. The state said "oh no honey you need those payments and we like those taxes."
Even after I turned 18 and I was in my early 20s he still owed the state back child support money that probably didn't even go to my mom, funny thing is it never went to me. They should take a percentage of that money and put it in a secure child's account no one can access until they're 18. Sorry for the ramble just my 2 cents, I hate the gov lol
[–]lonnie123 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How can a judge be harder on someone if the number is based on income?
[–]dekachin5 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
People are so quick to say this is fake.
Because it is.
[–]ThrowAway-47 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So OPs asking about Pakistani customs taxation there. Sounds like people googling the person from the tweet are finding a single dude with no kids. Seems like the friend of a friend of a friend scenario at work.
Oh well, give it a few weeks and it'll be a regular repost.
[–]dekachin5 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP claims to know the facts of this case personally.
Him being in Pakistan make that very implausible.
[–]Skadumdums 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post? It's already posted like every couple months. Then people come on and argue about their child support for the entire thread.
[–]HorseLoyal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wrong link
[–]dekachin5 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No it's the right link. It's op posting 9 days ago saying he is in Pakistan.
Now think about how this story could possibly be true with OP being in Pakistan.
[–]HorseLoyal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why does the OP being in Pakistan effect if the story in the Twitter screenshot is real or not?
OP posted a bunch of replies stating facts like he has personal knowledge of the situation. Obviously that's not true.
The twitter story is fake too, though. The dude who posted it was just trying to go viral to get clicks and sell merch.
[–]OSHA_certified0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah it depends on your area, too. In some cases judges have ordered up to 60% of your monthly income go to child support.
[–]chumkinson2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not for one child.. maybe multiple children or taking into account back pay.
This list breaks down typical pay out by state for one child support. None are more than 25%
[–]OSHA_certified1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's only looking at it on the most basic of costs. There are other factors for one child that can make it skyrocket. I said up to, not guaranteed to it.
[–]polskapeopleyay1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
The downside is the mother can demand to see the child.
I for one rather be piss poor than have my child's schizophrenic junk bum mother in our lives. 20% of her minimum wage earnings isn't worth being around that instability.
[–]serious_grey[S] 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she left her child theres not much seeing and a child shall not live in poverty unless u live in first world country where the definition of poor is different
[–]Roundaboutsix 167 points168 points169 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
After my parents died, I exercised an option in their will to buyout my two sisters’ share of the family homestead. A local real estate agent set a price range. I used the midpoint to establish a “fair” market value. My older sister sued me in court insisting it was nearly two hundred thousand dollars undervalued. The judge looked at all the evidence and instead of raising the price, he actually lowered it. Icing on the cake: He also allowed me to add an extra 10K to my share to recoup money and time spent fixing up the house while the estate owned it!
[–]junkmeister9 70 points71 points72 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Your sister is an asshole.
[–]dirty_cuban 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Humans are greedy little creatures. People throw away family relationships all the time just to squeeze an extra few grand out of an inheritance.
[–]junkmeister9 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I have also seen friend and family relationships destroyed by people's attempts to monetize their communities with MLM schemes.
[–]xB7zM22k1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I also have been on facebook.
[–]junkmeister9 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My aunt caused an ongoing schism in our family that has lasted a decade at this point, all over AmWay. It’s fucking disgusting. But she thinks no one supports her because we won’t buy overpriced low quality garbage. AmWay is one of the most cult-like MLMs because they tie it to religion and the prosperity gospel and anyone who won’t join or pay you is therefore an agent of evil.
[–]danielandtrent 141 points142 points143 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I thought it actually said he was asking his mom for money and was like, wtf.
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Since when the fuck do people call their mothers "baby momma"?
[–]Steelwolf73 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alabama has entered the chat
[–]danielandtrent 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk, that’s why I said thought lok
[–]throwmeaway562 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s not his mother. A baby mama is the chick you had a kid with.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes.
[–]Needmeawhip 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Since people have no idea of slang
[–]entropylaser 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
smh they need to get a piece of the American pie, and take a bite out
[–]USBayernChelseaLCFC 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Since someone invented dialects and didn’t use the same lingo uniformly.
[–]Unpopular_OpinionBot0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Cool story....
That's awesome.
[–]iamonlyoneman 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is, but how is it a pussypass being denied? This is just plain accountability.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good. This should definitely work both ways.
[–]DreamingDragonSoul 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lovely. If you want to make a baby, should you also be willing to at least make sure it is safe, feed, sheldert and recieve education (when it is older).
I am all for equal right and responsebillitys for men and women.
[–]laughing-tree 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with you 100%. I don’t think this is post has anything with “pussy pass”. I think the mother is just a bitch that didn’t want to take care of the child she gave birth to. But for every woman in this scenario there are just as many men. I work at a preschool and we have a ton of single parents... it’s just about equal for single mothers vs single fathers.
[–]DreamingDragonSoul 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you are right. We just hear more about the single women.
[–]rebelolemiss 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who’s this guy Bill responding to?
[–]Boogereater42069 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
According to your 12% theory she is pulling in around $175,000 a year.. do you know if she is still single?
[–]serious_grey[S] 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Prolly works in a law firm , let me know if u find her, we can compete with each other and see who gets the price
[–]disco_pancake1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
If she's a lawyer, then she would have basic knowledge of how child support payments work and would know that $500 was a steal. She also would not want it to go to court because it's very possible that word could get back to her peers/clients about it. Abandoning a child can be a career killer for professional women due to the beliefs that women are supposed to be motherly and put their family above all else.
If this post is true, I'd bet anything she's not a lawyer. A lawyer would probably take the $500 and make it so she gets the child one and awhile so she can keep up the appearance of being a family woman.
[–]Nukken 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're probably right, but my anecdotal story is my wife is a paralegal and there are plenty of stupid, spiteful lawyers out there.
[–]ILikeToArgueALot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Could this work in reverse though? Like she is so arrogant about being a lawyer she thinks shes good enough to win the case? and then fails.
[–]disco_pancake1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can win a child support case if you're not caring for the child. You just have to pay whatever the judge/laws say you have to pay.
Aside from that, in a professional setting most women wouldn't want it to be publicly known that you abandoned and wont support your child. It can just be so damaging to your career. Some of the women (and men) I know feel pressured to have families because their firms/clients value that family man/woman vibe. It's worse for women since there is a lot of 'there must be something wrong with her' sexism in the workplace when it comes to women who don't have a family as they get older.
[–]ILikeToArgueALot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah true. Well I dont think she was a lawyer then. If the pic is true she most likely was a woman in a high end job that thought women always win.
Though it doesn't make sense either. A well earning career woman wouldn't usually have the kid in the first place if she didn't want it. Just get an abortion.
[–]SpecialSause 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not going to argue with y po u but there's lawyers out there that know the law and still do absolutely stupidly illegal shit. Look at good ole Rudy. Prine example.
[–]serious_grey[S] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough.
[–]Nitrome10000 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Being a lawmaker doesn’t preclude to knowing anything about divorce court.
[–]jrcprl 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nobody said it was 12%, could be even higher. It really depends on the case.
[–]Gliderh2 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
12%? Many states go all the way up to 51%
[–]Hippo_Operator 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
1750USD per month? Damn, what a broken system... or she's making 10's of thousands per month.
[–]Moondo13 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why’s it matter how much she makes? Shouldn’t there a be a “this much is required to raise a child” limit?
[–]Hippo_Operator 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I agree with you. It should be based of what it costs to raise a child, but it's actually based off how much you earn as an individual.
They don't factor in, bill's, rent, medical expenses etc etc.
Its based on income. Because a child shouldn't have a worse life just because one parent is richer then the other. Still kinda BS though
[–]iApolloDusk -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's a six figure income easily if they're taking that much lmao. It's just so fucking fake that it hurts. Rich people, especially rich women, are just so infinitely unlikely to have an unwanted pregnancy, not abort the kid, and then go and abandon it that this story just does not hold up. The type of behavior being presented just does not correlate to the typical lifestyle, background, and family values of a person that would be pulling in a massive salary. I mean it very possibly could be real, but I have some huge doubts.
Youre totally right pal, I couldn't agree more with what you are saying.
[–]Yolo_Quant 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk if its fake but when I was in Boston I dated a nurse who made over 90k and had lost her child custody and paid child support..
Also dated a Marketing director who made six figures and she was easily the most selfish and fucked up person I ever met.
So your guys give too much credit for people who goes to college and work their way up, you don't have to be smart just lucky sometimes.
[–]iApolloDusk 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You'd have to be making about 150k or more in some places in order to be mandated a payment like that. I'm not saying that it's impossible, it's just that given the three aforementioned criteria PLUS the unlikelihood of a judge actually handing out a gender-equal order is just insane. It's probably a 1/100,000,000 chance this happened to the poster, meanwhile it's feasibly more likely that it's someone making shit up and trying to give broken men a justice boner.
Statistical likelihood doesn't mean that I'm right, but if the story seems to good to be true- it probably is.
[–]send_tweet 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Someone above got 50 upvotes for saying, "a woman with the work ethic to earn that much is exactly the kind of woman who wouldn't sacrifice her career for kids," as if that makes this post more real. They're right that those women are career oriented, but that just means their pregnancies are planned and often happen when they're in their 30s and they're settled into their career trajectory.
It's the same for men. Higher income and higher education are correlated, at which point the likelihood of a child out of wedlock, divorce, or an unwanted pregnancy being carried to term all drop precipitously.
Precisely my point. If a woman didn't want her child and she's in that socioeconomic status, she's far more likely to abort it, give it away for adoption, or at the very least hire a full-time nanny. It'd be so much cheaper to just have a nanny take care of your kid if you're being ordered to pay $1700 in child support lmao.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The system is broke, hence why my father threatened my mothers family to keep her from going for custody
[–]alucard4124 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Get that money king !!!!
[–]DlSCONNECTED-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Spend it on a Dodge Charger!
[–]BleedinSkull1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Only trash parents spend their entire child support monies on themselves.
[–]i-am-not-Autistic4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Like women who leech off child support?
[–]DlSCONNECTED1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It was a joke. Chill.
[–]rpizzzzle 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
1750$ a month is honestly insane. I’m not saying she shouldn’t pay, I’m saying something doesn’t add up here..
[–]BitchinIndika 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's based on income. Make more, pay more.
[–]Faithlessness_Top 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Which is still insane. It should be based on how much a child costs to raise. A child doesn't cost 2 million a month just because someone makes 20 million.
[–]BitchinIndika-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So rich people should get a pass to do whatever they want? Money buys anything?
[–]Faithlessness_Top4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How in the everliving fuck did you read that into what I wrote? Rich people should also pay child support. A reasonable child support. You should not be able to become rich simply by having a child with a rich person, that's fucked up.
[–]BitchinIndika1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're right, their unwanted kids should not be a burden to them.
[–]JoshAllenforMessiah0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How many successful women do you there are out there abandoning their children outright and with zero concept of how child support works?
[–]horonlapsi 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe they live in new york where even cops make almost 100k
[–]Moondo13 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If in the US, our custody and child support laws are so wack.
[–]Zach-Attaque 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because it's made up
[–]waltwalt 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Still not going to pay you anything,but at least now it will fuck up her credit?
[–]Astramancer_ 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nah, you just go back to court and get a garnishment. Then their employer takes the cut before the deadbeat even sees their pay.
[–]waltwalt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ooh spicy!
[–]JeebusChristBalls 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Some states, I believe, will toss you in jail for not paying child support. I don't agree with that but it's a thing.
[–]waltwalt 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Jail does no good unless they're sitting on a pile of money that can be automatically garnished for support. Putting them in jail just cuts off their income, possibly permanently.
[–]JeebusChristBalls 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't agree with that but it's a thing.
I understand it is like modern day debtors prison. I was just making a statement that not paying child support could put her in jail.
[–]waltwalt 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh so like weekend jail, not lose your job and start getting raped frequently prison.
All srates do if you do it enough and try and block there other ways of getting the money.
[–]sikagoon7 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think court judgements have any affect on your credit whether or not you pay them. Unless it's a bankruptcy.
Courts get their money out of you in other ways.
[–]waltwalt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well the court gets paid, but now that there is a court order to pay support that can be taken to a different authority and either garnish their wages or show they're not paying support and that counts as unpaid debt which hurts your credit rating.
[–]sikagoon7 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not an expert in this but there are different types of debt. Debt to creditors that can be sold to collections and written off affects your credit. The company has to write off your debt and sell the rights to it to a collections agency that will open an account on your SSN
Child support and alimony debt are not typically sent to collections if you're behind. I've never head of a single mother selling her child support debt to a collections agency and the state won't pay you missed child support and then sell that debt either. Will it show up on your credit score as debt? Maybe if it is reported by your baby mama... but who thinks to do that?
Collections is recourse for a creditor you spurned. Courts will just garnish your wage. They're way more powerful that way.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's how it's done either way. I go by the government table for child maintenance. When I left a very good paying job due to my health (graveyards for 10+ years) and asked her to sign a form accepting the lower payment due to a wage cut. The bitch said NO, that's not what the Court order says was her reply. Wtf? I'm not your personal income? So have to take her to court to change the court order it cost me $9000 in legal fees to take a $20,000 pay cut but my quality of life and health has gone up exponentially.
The best part of all of this is that her lawyer gave my lawyer things that I should "do" to prepare for the case and the last minute tells her client that they are going to lose and bilked her of her money without ever going to court. I won and she doesn't get one dime over what I had asked for in the first place...
[–]JonSnowLovesBlow 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Wtf? The reverse of this happens all the fucking time. How is this on here?
[–]mayrunal 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
thats kinda the point—the reverse happens all the time. she was trying to avoid paying bc she’s a woman but the court held her liable.
[–]JonSnowLovesBlow 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, i meant guys get away with not paying child support. How many dead beat dads are there vs dead beat mums?
[–]mayrunal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
oh i see. you’re right about that; but then again, there are also a lot of fathers who are forced into paying child support when they shouldn’t have to, so it just goes both ways i guess
[–]JonSnowLovesBlow 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah i see what you mean
[–]BabyStockholmSyndrom 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First, it's likely fake. But how is this because she's a woman? No one said that. The post just says she said no. This post clearly is just a woman hate train. People in this sub rail against support all the time when it's the woman demanding it lol.
[–]mayrunal 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well she said she wasnt going to pay shit & probably assumed she wouldn’t have to, though that’s only a guess.
but you’re probably right, it probably is fake—it’s really unlikely that a court would ever rule in favor of the father
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women: WE WANT EQUALITY!!
Also women: WAIT, NOT THAT EQUAL, HOLD UP
[–]prrg 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stories that seem even slightly unlikely in the internet:
Reddit: R/tHaThApPeNeD
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Not sure if this is real. If she fully gave up her rights as a parent she isn't required to pay child support. If only custody as in the child just doesn't live with her at all but she is still part of the child's life legally then she may be required. I am sure this is different for certain countries.
[–]Ed98208 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She just gave up custody. It's really hard to get out of your legal responsibility as a parent. You would need someone to accept that responsibility for you and agree to no financial support. You can't just say "I don't want to raise this kid or pay for it, take me off the title" or every deadbeat parent would be doing it.
I agree
[–]TheCrowGrandfather 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's not how it works in the US at all. Even without parent rights you are still legally responsible to provide for that child.
Seems dependent on the situation.
If you google it that is not what it says.
[–]Faithlessness_Top 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
$1750 a month? That's a whole fucking salary in child support, what the fuck?
[–]serious_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
12% of salary after taxes
[–]CantHitachiSpot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
$14k a month 😔 literally can't imagine what I'd do with all that
[–]spdtla 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pay a lot of taxes bro. A LOT.
[–]serious_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ll save for 4 months and start a side business
You mean up to 51% before taxes, are what every state is allowed to go up to if the see fit.
[–]Friendral 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A $1,750 month child support order means baby mama is more like well-off gal making around $9,000.00 a month, at least in consideration of NV child support laws.
[–]MerliniusDeMidget 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Imagine saving 1250$ a month by just being a decent person
[–]youlovejoeDesign 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This exact thing happened with my ex. I literally asked for $500... Ended up with 1200$..
[–]legend_kda 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a parent has decided to give up custody of a child, I firmly believe they shouldn’t be required to pay child support regardless if they’re a man or woman
[–]AgreeableGoldFish 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You must make an insane amount of money to be forced to pay 1750 a month
[–]fabianrobot956 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In Texas that would be around 110k a year.
[–]AgreeableGoldFish 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even at 110k, 2 grand a month is a big hit
[–]Drayelya 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reverse card activated!
[–]jazzy3113 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And this women decided to have the baby even though she wasn’t ready. Awesome.
Does anyone know what happens if people stop paying? Do they go to jail or just a slap on the wrist?
[–]iamonlyoneman0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Deciding to have the baby is the bare minimum. You shouldn't kill someone because you aren't ready for them to live.
If she stops paying then it depends on the location and judge but the ultimate penalty is probably jail time.
[–]Geggamojjan 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congrats.
My ex took me to court few months ago and tried to get full custody of our 6 year old son. It's been a fucking nightmare but now afterward I feel very pleased with having full custody of him and he sees her every other weekend.
[–]nice2yz 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Record is 69 children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children). Nice.
[–]thesmoothest18 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
😌 Equality
[–]SeleniumF0rest1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The rest of us how to live my life. Think I’m all of a sudden It’s tedious and annoying and I hate it when it has already been answered bubby, they were probably an asshole, thus the opposition from Asian Americans for Equality
[–]jth02 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t drown me in downvotes because it’s not a popular opinion but why is this here? This subreddit is meant to be when people play the pussy card and it’s revoked, not just any punishment / recourse that so happens to be happening to a woman. I know divorce payments, child benefits etc are usually from man to woman and this is special because it’s woman to man but nothing from the post suggested that the woman the guy is talking about tried to use a pussy pass. If it was like “I’m a girl I don’t have to pay you shit” I’d understand but this just looks like people are happy that a woman is being punished and it fuels the fires of people that say the sub is just for shitting on women.
[–]Matias_RGT 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What the heck is a "baby momma"? It's like the sugar daddy female version?
[–]Note_Ansylvan 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just the woman who has had a man's baby.
Example. If someone had sex, had a child, and then later got into another relationship, the original mother would be their baby momma.
[–]Matias_RGT 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh I see now
[–]JohnnyBA167 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for you brother.
[–]AquaticCobras 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
CITY BOYZ WE UP
[–]Transpatials 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Fake as fuck. They could at least have used a plausible dollar amount.
Edit: Changed math to dollars because someone wants to whine.
[–]online222222 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They didn't use any math...
[–]Transpatials-8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fixed, thanks.
[–]Alphy101 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey dude, dropped this 👑
[–]Even-Understanding 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey FYI it’s completely out.
[–]watch_over_me 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A woman paying 1750 a month in child support? That's when I knew this was fake.
You want your mind blown? Look up the gender disparity percentage of all alimony and child support.
[–]Sage_of_Space 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Or she makes a lot of money?
[–]watch_over_me 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you look at the number where both the man and woman make the exact same amount of money, and have equal parenting time, men still always pay child support, and at higher rates, compared to woman who typically aren't ordered to pay child support at all.
The most sexist institution alive, is the Friend of the Court. And looking at any number of stats proves it.
Scarlet heart ryeo flopped hard in Korea
As soon as he did to the USFL.
[–]yesiknowimacunt0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Mmm marvel at my mighty justice boner
[–]smokencookie0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Brother I can’t upvote this fast enough,stay strong and raise that baby up right. Cheers to the victor!!!
[–]ronin10660 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Don't extend the silent vowel, it means nothing.
[–]dalinprome2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
don’t complain about everything, it’ll waste your timeee
[–]mza820 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Glad this guy got his due.... But 1750 for one kid watdafuk!? They should really cap it at 1k + special needs/extracurriculars ... Do normal kids really cost more than a K a month to raise? I hate seeing child support go to someones rent or car note, those are your responsibilities to begin with.
[–]apple_cheese2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As to your rent comment, if the person did not have a child they could live in a one bedroom place. Having a child means they need a larger space and thus have to pay more for rent. Depending on the city this could be hundreds to a thousand more.
[–]sneakycurbstomp1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
1750 a month is absolutely fair. Daycare alone can easily cost more than a thousand a month, with higher end facility start around 3k a month. There are so many more expenses as on top of that.
[–]arcphoenix131 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If your raising a kid right. And not just the bare minimum like most parents are capable of now a days. The expected cost of raising a kid to 17. Is about 230 thousand dollars.
[–]I-Post-Sans-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She belongs to the streets!
[–]TheMailman2420-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I dont think you know what anecdote even means. But thanks for proving my point. 2000 for 2 kids is a lot less than 1750 for 1.
Try again next time sport
[–]darby-dev-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So basically, you need a penis
[–]juliosmacedo-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
next time use condoms instead me using a baby as leverage. Fuck both of them.
[–]orangekirby0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why is asking for child support "leverage"
[–]lol_camis-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It's great that the man won for once. Love that. But this still illustrates how broken the system is. Raising a kid absolutely does not take $1750 a month. I'm not saying it's cheap. But it's not $1750 a month. The amount you get should be based on how much it costs to raise a kid of that age first, and the income of the person second.
About 230 thousand dollars expected costs in raising a kid to 17. If you are doing it right, and the not bare minimum. 30k a year for some colleges too.
$1750/month is too much for 1 kid. This is a systemic problem. $500 is a bit high, yet magnitudes more reasonable than $1750. If the payers of child support hate having to pay more than a necessary and reasonable amount, especially if the receiving parent is a selfish bitch/bastard, then we should hate receiving more than necessary and fix the systemic problems, not try to get even.
All this shows is this guy is no better than any other woman who demands the exorbitant amounts. How? By accepting the exorbitant amount.
[–]Poor_Culinary_Skills2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
fairly clear you’ve got no clue how much a kid costs
Not that much. As long as (1) the receiving parent isn't a goddamn selfish Karen or (2) the receiving parent isn't deep in poverty, $500 should be plenty. Only one of these is excusable.
Also, all incomes to the home need accounted for.
Goddamn dependapotamuses.
[–]Somerandomyankeee-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Repost
[–]FinFinnigan_-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Book of misogyny verse 12
[–]serious_grey5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Feminism 101
[–]breakyourfac-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
r/thatneverhappened
This sun is nothing but incel bait, y'all will believe anything as long as it backs up your prejudice "woman bad". Fucking clowns.
[–]serious_grey2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I am not a incel or a nice guy, i am a karma whore
[–]Pugduck77-5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Child support is immoral in either case. This isn’t a win.
[–]Gnubeutel-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nobody worried that it says "I'm getting [money]"?
That money is to pay for the child's expenses. The dad isn't supposed to make an income of it.
[–]serious_grey6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No need to take things too literally but yes u r technically correct
[–]TheMailman2420-11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What makes you think they live in NY. What makes you think this woman has a masters degree.
Usually people with masters degrees are much too smart to get knocked up with a kid they dont want.
[–]iAmWinterCoat_3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Majorly false.
[–]TheMailman2420-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nope. Nothing but true
[–]ironkozak-12 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He isn't getting anything. Trash people are going to be trash with or without a court order
[–]MyNameIsChrisHansen81 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Well her alternative is going to prison so....
[–]steamd-rice-12 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I tried talking and you had the meltdown, I just don’t deal with Id-juts like you. You care about karma apparently with thousands and thousands of it stacked up. You’re not clever, you’re not cunning, you’re a fat ass behind a keeb.
[+]TheMailman2420 -18 points-17 points-16 points 6 years ago (93 children) | Copy Link
r/thathappened. I know people who have 4 kids and dont pay anywhere near 1700$ a month in support.
[–]Nerd_9001 102 points103 points104 points 6 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link
“Based on her income”
[–]TheMailman2420-63 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So shes filthy rich? Highly doubt it
[–]Nerd_900151 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don’t know maybe u can go look it up im not going to
[–]TheMailman2420-54 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nor am I. Ill just continue to call bullshit on this bullshit story. Idk why people feel better about themselves by posting lies.
[–]Nerd_900132 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There are multiple times where due to not paying child support people where made to pay more than double what they where before, why is this one any different
[–]Faded105-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Just waiting for the time my failure of a father finally pays child support after a few years
[–]TheHadMatter15-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Because it's a woman. I understand this sub might be a bit touchy on the subject, but women don't go through the trouble of childbirth if they're gonna abandon the kid.
[–]Nhiyla8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
but women don't go through the trouble of childbirth if they're gonna abandon the kid.
Are you new to this planet or something?
Thats completely not true.
[–]Nerd_90015 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Have u been on the internet, there are mothers so trashy that they abandon their children and celebrate losing custody of them, some one not wanting to pay full child support is not even close to unreasonable
[–]stuiiful3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s not true at all. My “baby mama” abandoned my daughter with my parents when she was 2, I was at work. Didn’t think much of it because she loved dropping her off. But she just... never came back My daughter hasn’t seen her birth mother in 6 years
[–]micksack-8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Can we get some examples please. Someone earning over 10k legally a month isnt stupid enough to allow something like this to back fire on them.
[–]Nerd_900113 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
“Isn’t stupid enough”, look we all know how stupid people are including rich people, anything and everything can backfire
[–]micksack-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
And we also talking about rich stupid americans so ya anything is possible.
[–]ollomulder3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Trump earns way more, and look at him...
Because that's made up as well. As someone who paid child support for 18 years and know many many many many people who have paid child support. Everything your saying is a lie. Exactly like the post.
[–]Nerd_900111 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sorry that u couldn’t be there with your kid but saying that “all the people I know” have/do this or that means nothing. “I was pulled over multiple times, they where all easy to resolve same with my friends, there is no such thing as police brutality” is your sort of argument
I was there with my kid. We split 50/50 custody and I paid 100$ a month. Another example of you dont know shit about how child support works. Oh and by the way... when you sign over rights to a child you are no longer obligated to provide anything to that child ever again.
Ps. There is no such thing as police brutality. Comply with what they say and you'll be fine.
[–]BaldEagleNor5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This dumbass really just said police brutality doesn't exist
[–]TheMailman24203 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It doesnt. No such thing. Made up 100%
[–]BaldEagleNor3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Right...
[–]hugo91524 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This a troll, just move on
I can tell
[–]HowlingRat96394 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is so wrought with ignorance and misinformation. How callous to even say "when you sign over rights to a child" like someone just signed over title to their car when you don't have any back story from OP.
Custody is about who gets primary Guardianship of a minor. Joint custody is shared while sole custody is one parent. When a court grants sole custody it does not automatically mean the other parent loses all visitation rights or is absolved from future financial obligation. There are plenty of cases of sole custody with alimony and child support being paid by the non-custodial parent. Picture a non-alcoholic stay at home Mom who might get sole custody from a court, or a different spin: a traveling salesman who is on the road 3 out of 4 weeks in a month who might not be granted sole custody due to the nature of their job and all the time away. Every case is different and you have no idea from OP if the other parent fought and tried to get joint custody and lost, or what the circumstances might be.
[–]TheMailman24200 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The fact you dont understand that a parent can absolutely 100% can sign over their rights to a child and be 100% absolved from all obligations. Be it financially or emotionally or just being there for a kid proves you dont have a clue
[–]HowlingRat96393 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The fact that you resort to sweeping generalizations and can't parse information like OP's and mine and come to a reasonable understanding of the context and thus conclude there are a lot of variables unaccounted for explains a lot. With your anger issues it seems like you were lucky to even get joint custody.
Idk how much more there is to explain. Sorry you're stupid. OP clearly states she didnt want anything to do with the child and she "aint giving him shit". Really pretty clear cut. Dumbass
Here is what more there is to explain to you, an angry simpleton: from OP's post we can determine that she gave up custody but still had an obligation to pay child support. So, in point of fact she still has something to do with the child - paying child support. She may have given up her rights of guardianship but she was not able to "sign over" all her rights as the court left her with the financial obligation of support. Thus she is tied to this kid until likely the child turns 18.
So stupid. Lmao. I'll leave it at that.
Progress. Smartest choice you have made in this thread.
[–]ephula3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]Amorganskate3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're not very smart 😂
[–]fatty_tingmn1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That last bit just gave away the fact this is just really long bait, nice try
[–]Sir_Donkey_Lips1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ok but you seem to be the only one who seems to care.
[–]ositola6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"I have anecdotal evidence to support my opinion so that means it's not true for anyone else"
[–]TheMailman2420-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You sound really stupid
[–]Korpseni3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
so does your original message
[–]TwyJ1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
RICH PEOPLE BE CUNTS MY BRO.
[–]Honeybadgerxz0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol i know a guy who makes 80k a year and pays 2k a month in support so no not filthy rich.
[–]TheMailman24202 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol. I know a guy who makes 90k a year and pays 800$ a month for TWO children.
Exactly everybody's different, thats the whole fucking point. But no, you have to be "filthy rich" to pay that much.
[–]TheMailman24201 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That. Or you and OP are lying sacks of shit.
[–]Honeybadgerxz1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I mean i could just as easily say your lying so..
[–]relicmind 34 points35 points36 points 6 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
"I dont know anyone who makes that kind of money personally so there's probably no one who does" big brain 200iq shit
[–]TheMailman2420-8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're right. I dont know anyone who makes a quarter million a year. Especially someone who is irresponsible enough to have a child they dont want anything to do with.
[–]ponds66615 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Except the countless celebrities that are doing just that as we speak?
[–]TheMailman2420-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh so this guy knocked up a celebrity. Sure. I believe that.
[–]ponds66614 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are a fucking retard seriously.
[–]ILikeToArgueALot9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You don't need to be a celebrity to make a lot of money.
Theirs thousands of guys in business's, ceos, and stock market tycoons that wipe there ass with the money you make and you will never hear about them.
They are too busy doing cocaine and hookers.
[–]ponds6663 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeh but rich people are always well put together people with no issues in this fuckers dream world lol
You're right. I dont know anyone who makes a quarter million a year.
The fact that you think 120k is a quarter of a million is probably why you can't even fathom a story like this.
The fact you brought up 120k when I never did proves you're an idiot
[–]Nhiyla6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This comment chain is on the basis of 10k monthly income.
Nice try tho.
Keep delivering mail for peanuts.
I'm sure you dont make 10k a year much less a month.
You're assuming it's based on 10k.... idk why
I'm not actually a mail man. Dipshit.
[–]King-Toxic3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Holy fuck, you might be in the top 10 most retarded dumbasses I've ever seen on reddit. Good job.
[–]pheromonekvlt1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Everyone in this thread is a retard except me
[–]UncitedClaims3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah, that mail guy specifically is being dumb all over this thread. They said police brutality doesn't exist lmfao
[–]pheromonekvlt-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I didn't even read I just saw you all fighting like little girls
[–]Gogo2021 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, u! ... wait.. no, me
All of us bröther
Boobs. As funbags. This is just plain retarded
[–]relicmind3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So because you don't know anyone that makes a quarter million a year, that means no one does? And you think people who make good money don't get divorced? That is impressively dumb.
Says nothing about marriage. Said a woman doesnt want a child.
[–]relicmind2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh okay well that changes everything! so people who make good money dont split up and take each other to court for child support?
People who split up dont normally say they want nothing to do with their child.
[–]Even-Understanding1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Kaitlyn sitting between Nick’s a good woman.
[–]hotpotato701 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Making that much is very reasonable in finance in NYC. Most those people have masters in related fields. You don't need to be a super star trader, those get compensation which is a lot higher, this is just working in office figuring out... finance stuff (don't confuse with accounting). If you're looking them up on glassdoor, don't be intimidated with titles like Vice President, that doesn't mean they manage anyone, the title is how you get paid.
I'm only saying this to encourage people to not put a cap on their own future. If you're young, and can go for masters in math or such, this salary (probably including bonus) is achievable.
[–]Zach-Attaque 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
You can easily find this guy's Instagram, he clearly doesn't have any children. And every response to this tweet is him promoting his business.
[–]DizzyFish9 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh no, facts! Reddit’s worst enemy
[–]TheMailman2420-13 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol. Go ahead and post my Instagram for everyone to see. Please do it. I'm begging you.
[–]Zach-Attaque17 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm not talking about you, dumbass, I'm saying that guy who posted the original tweet clearly doesn't have any kids, thus no baby momma and huge child support
10-4. My bad. I was laughing cause I'm not even on Instagram. I was waiting for some innocent person to get blown up. I didnt realize you were talking about the OP
[–]Zach-Attaque8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I was like, I'm agreeing with you!
Yes. I get it now.
[–]Hellview1524 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You suck dude.
[–]Dooty_Shirker3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He just wants to argue even if it's with someone that agrees with him.
[–]granolanutbars-10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
idk how anyone was supposed to know you’re talking about the guy in the tweet
[–]MoranthMunitions9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Because the tweet is the topic of the whole thread, and it was like a second level comment. It's not exactly rocket science, there was only two options and only one of them was going to be relevant.
I don't understand how the other person, or apparently you, thought he was talking about the other user's Instagram.
[–]granolanutbars-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
“This guy” I thought you either meant the person who posted this, or the person you’re relying to, no idea it was the guy in the tweet lmao.
[–]BitchinIndika 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cool story, but support is income-based and your friends probably make less.
[–]serious_grey[S] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are rich people in the world
[–]FSUfan35 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I know someone that was paying his ex wife 1500 a month for 2 kids that he had 50/50 partial custody of. Anecdotes are fun
[–]TheMailman2420 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]FSUfan350 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He would have been paying 3k if she had full custody, which is pretty close to 1750 per kid
Bullshit
[–]FSUfan351 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Good point
What else can you say to a liar?
Why would I lie about what my friend paid in child support?
Internet points.
True true
[–]Unnamed-Visitor 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, that kid's getting the good shit for life
[–]atlas794 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice
[–]Even-Understanding 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hugh Pugh Pugh Barney McGrew...
[–]anicebigrodforyou 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that happened
[–]FindingKeeping 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah like I am supposed to believe everything on internet
[–]GeorgeYDesign 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It exists,there is something with those royal bloods
[–]PizzaCatSupreme 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With every passing day Drake looks more and more like DJ Khalid.
[–]codynw42 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How much damn money does this dudes baby momma make lol
[–]serious_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]codynw42 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Quick mafs!
Edit: where do you shop for 150k/yr baby mommas??? I didnt even know they made thoae
[–]Lowtan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuckin beautiful. Should have just did the $500.
[–]Andoche 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats fucked. 1750 usd is a fuck tone of money.
[–]ZippZappZippty 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Iroh can get it._.
[–]luger718 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Shiiieeeet my mom use to ask my dad for $50 a week and eventually he stopped. He got off lucky.
Depending on several factors she may be able to get the entire amount awarded by the state and he'll have to pay it.
[–]charlesg82 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
King shit
[–]aalleeyyee 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stairs?! I can't climb stairs! Noooooo
[–]Xkirbyx 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congrats king
[–]Gnostromo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me: dammn I need to cross post this shit to pussypa... Oh
[–]E_S_E_2000 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God's plan
[–]Cristipiot7 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]hippopots 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doubt she's paying nearly that much.
[–]madwill 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God damn... The court has insane idea of what amount of money one person can give the other.
It's made to protect one but it's actually insane. I have my kids 50% of the time, but because I thought I'd help a good person out of a difficult situation( I was retarded, she was not, its a classic I wish someone had done this to me help moment but I should of just helped myself). She never got better, was a complete narcissistic manipulative person who lied to me about all her interests for so long. Turns out she's a stupid trash radio listeners, that love to eat at McDonald and buy stuff at the dollar store.
Well that said, after taking care of that bitch for 6 years at full cost, wondering when she'd wake up. Something happened to me, got sick. She left for someone else. That person dumped her... we have 2 kids (that she forced on me) she tried to come back. Telling me all the things about family, respect and how no other people can offer us what we can have. She spent all that time yelling at me and we split again.
On an everyday basis that weird behavior of pointing all my mistakes, shutting me down like she's constantly trying to prove that "I'm not THAT good". 4
Well... now we have split custody, 50/50. Because she's a lazy fucking bitch who is not about money. Bitch does not work. Bitch get 950$ because of it. She lives in the pool of some other douchebag thinking a good person needs a little help. She's kind of a bitch to the children too. Not lose custody bitch... just controlling, too hard/too soft parenting style,
I'm getting through but my life is absolutely ruined.. non only did I have to quickly sell the family house that was out of town but I can't ever imagine a future in my current direction... at 950$ all dreams are out... It makes no sense to me. I think I'm going to have to turn to something illegal... or start my own business and get out of having revenues... She's an adult, she's got multiple diplomas with 90%+ score on exams.
Fuck I hate the court.
[–]BigHaircutPrime 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Holy shit, how much money does she make?! That's like two and half months rent for me.
its like a month rent in america for a good apartment in a good place
Never get married. Ever. I pity anyone who has kids and or a wife
[–]harcole 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
where does it say in the tweet that the woman used her gender as a handicap or an excuse to act like an asshole?
I know someone paying 10,000/month in child support. That was the settlement outside of court, he was looking at 12,000.
[–]FakinUpCountryDegen 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn man... Good for you! What area do you live in, may I ask?
I'm telling my son to move there before he has a kid and never leave. I got a better outcome than a lot of men in court, but literally had photos of my ex wife's fucked up shit. Then she manipulated my daughter, ending with her taking the girl the majority of the time and I keep the boy. So she split up the kids because she's a needy, manipulative fucking sociopath...
....ok my blood is starting to boil and it's been 10 years. I'm gonna leave it at that. Again, good for you!
[–]senorchinchilla 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cheers brother!!!!
[–]CheezGaming 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
WHAT IS HER INCOME GOT DAMN
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
how much would she make a year if she had to pay 1750 a month?
About 150k yearly
[–]Yungissh 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
King
Homestuck2 is now coming for you gig gurl
[–]Faddeyfolf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Karmas a bitch, just like your baby momma
[–]colonel80 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can confirm. My ex wanted a 1300 a week paycheck from me. I said I would give her 500 a week. She declined and took me to court. Judge scolded her for lying about expenses and ended up at 300 a week and she owes me back 8k in arrears. So 250 a week for the next 3 years roughly.
[–]serious_grey[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro 500 a week ? U earn 6 figures too?
[–]colonel80 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Barely. I literally was taking home 40% of my pay after taxes and support. And my ex was making 98k as a school vice principal with a masters degree. After the divorce she got fired and now works as an English teacher making 60k. She also accused me of being grossly under employed in court, the judge chuckled.
[–]KiloVelo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BOOSH!
[–]SunnyGay73 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i bet hes going to be a great father
[–]tomgoatb88 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 broooo
[–]Xonadras 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Unless this woman is pulling in 6 figures a year that is insanely high. I'm paid 21.20hr and my child support is 167.75 a week. I make under 50000 a year.
[–]booster1000[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
According to to my monkey math if she is providing support for one child she is around 135k / year... if this is even real.
[–]nice2yz 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love that she wears too much highlighter
Right? That's a good deal of linear algebra.
[–]JeanClaudeVanGlutes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congratulations, you played yourself playboi.
[–]YerBoiMeatloaf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yaaass slay king
that Rakitic tackle. he was a charlatan.
[–]JimmyColder 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This makes me Sooo happy!!
[–]TheCrowGrandfather 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well we know you don't like in California.
[–]A_Walt_Whitman 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And that, my friends, is how it's done.
“Straight up factually wrong” ick it’s annoying
[–]B3xIE 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Know someone who refused to sign paperwork on agreeing for $300 a month thinking it was too high, went to court and now they are paying over $800 a month.
[–]Scalermann 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the reminder to wear condoms! Perhaps even get a vasectomy if it can eventually be reversed (don’t want kids for 8-12 years)
[–]IDislikeTheSummer 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a fucking king.
[–]yoshimutso 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Again!?
[–]mustangguy32 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As you should good job
[–]Skow1379 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit she makes good money
[–]Kazahaki 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Somewhere... SOMEWHERE... Future is laughing
So sorry you and your baby had to go through this. ALWAYS keep receipts, etc., and if you're receiving your payments through the court, leave it that way. NEVER allow her to pay you directly or in cash. Just don't, for your baby's sake and your's.
[–]YeetGodOfScandinavia 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]JonathanOlding 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brõtgers we must rally
"Nah man, it's a corporation!?
WAFFLES
[–]mekkibalboa 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I got exactly 168.70 Euro from my father lmao.
[–]YoursTrulyNico 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But but but... strong female shouldn't be punished!
[–]stevrevv59 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s a nice additional source of income for him. Happy day.
[–]guckygluck 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]StockedTree54 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congratulations you played yourself
[–]sirpaulthegreat 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I was facing
8k alimony/ month 6.5k child support /month
My gross income is obviously really high. But at the end of the day 6/12 months I take home about 14.5k after taxes etc. The other 6 months I am somewhere between 14.5k and 23k take home
She makes 50k/year.
I would have had to basically hand over my entire pay check 6/12 months and the other 6/12 I would get a fraction of what I earn.
Feel good story: I got her to sign a marriage agreement capping child support and eliminating alimony. We will probably divorce but at least I know now I am not gonna blow my head off out of necessity one day.
Family law is FUUUUUUCKED.
You are the type of people i approach for my startup. So heyy 😂
[–]sirpaulthegreat 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What are you starting up
I’ll dm u
[–]beto_747 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yess king!
[–]Ryssaroori 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh shit nice! There's that famous equality
Every time a black father takes accountability for his child, an angel gets its wings
[–]fishdj2 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ouch🤕🤕
[–]hoozent28 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re gonna learn one way or another jezebels
[–]Lars_Ebk 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this actually pretty rare that the mother has to pay? It feels like it's usually the father that gets gutted for child support, not the mother.
[–]Seymour_shaft 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s rare that the father gets the child to begin with, even if the father is more capable and loving.
Thats why its in pussypassdenied
[–]babyfartmageezax 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]69yeetabix01 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very nicu jenkins-chan
[–]unsupervisedwerewolf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make her pockets hurt woo
[–]bplboston17 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn she must make bank lol, good on this guy for raising his child and fuck the baby momma.
[–]-caughtlurking- 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mike bought the drinks!
[–]oodlesofnoodles74 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ZazzooGaming 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stripper deff a stripper thats so much money to pay a month its fucking nuts lol shes prob making atleast a rack a night
[–]slezzzy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]reallyreallyspicy 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Repost I think
[–]Marchosias666 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Calling bullshit....that means shes making, what, 6k a month?
[–]arcphoenix130 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What. you never heard of a stripper? Or maybe she is a strong independent career focused women. Which is why she did not want a kid. I don't consider 6k a month a lot In the modern world. When there is a guy making that like every quarter of a second.
[–]MuayThaiYogi 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I raise a curved horn to you Sir!!!!
[–]BnSMaster420 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Willing to bet she tries to talk you into a relationship in the future.
[–]analogic-microwave 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/UpliftingNews
[–]Note_Ansylvan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/Justiceserved
[–]OgBigSlime 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
YAAAS KING!!!
[–]MyCatisaStripper 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well if you cant believe a 150 character story on the internet...what can you believe?
[–]MagaLikeUMeanIt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FOX6740 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yaaaaas KING!
[–]tideshark 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking win!
I tried paying my sons mom money just to have my son part time and couldn’t make it happen without rerollint court sessions.
Now she’s fucked up out of her skull on drugs and have given custody to me and my sons little brothers father (amazing dude and kid, TOTALLY welcomed into the family, and they welcome us to theirs).
She’s so messed up she gave us (the two fathers of both her sons) full custody and thanks us for being such amazing dads for picking up everything in her doped up leave of absence.
I’m not saying this in any vengeful way at all. Please know that everyone. This is just something that everyone called out would happen eventually where our legal system gives the mom the automatic full parentship from the start.
I love my son but his mom and I do everything I can to make peace and we been good for years but she been dating a dirtbag pos who has kept her influenced away from what is important I. Her life (her two amazing, beautiful sons)
She cooperates with everything that happens in court with us (the fathers) taking full custody of our sons. It was always something everyone expected would happen and in NO WAY something that is sex biased towards either parent being the “better parent”.
I am so fortunate enough in the chain of messes she has started that everyone works together for the kids sake and with us dads having custody of our sons that she turned over without a fight, that in this mess we all work together for the two kids.
I don’t know what it’s worth but just saying, even when someone is totally messing up their own life with drugs or whatever, that they CAN still do what is right for the best interest of the kids. It’s not common, but it can happen. I am so fortunate for the people involved for things being how they are.
While it’s happening, I’m working to help his mom with her addictions and abusive relationships she has been Involved with since as much as possible, making sure she can see my son (her sons, we both help as much as possible) even though she doesn’t show up often enough that we don’t ever tell the kids they will see their mom later in the day and just let them find out if it happens on their own because it’s often enough that she says she will show up and doesn’t.
It is a Jerry fucking Springer show. I know, but I could not be more grateful for how much EVERY party involved works completely towards what is best for the kids, even when they know they are giving up custody of their kids.
Drugs are fucked up. I wish more than anything that my son(s) mom can get past them because THEY NEED HER. And not only that, we all (her family, her kids, her exes family, my family) miss the good mom she used to be and will do whatever we can for our kids to have their mom choose them again over going out for a night where she will get to snort shit up her nose.
I know I’m rambling and ending it now, but just trying to make it aware, that in the most intricate of messes, that good things can still happen.
It isn’t something that all people are able to do for sure. I have a best bud since we were kids who isn’t the best person himself and his babies moms do everything they can in using when he can see his kids against him because he can’t afford to get things settled in court with their cooperation, even though he would HAPPILY take them half the time (and as much as possible after that) if he could.
This could be just as well reversed towards a deadbeat father (like my best friend, who many day is deadbeat but really just can’t afford to make things fair custody).
Just trying to put the message out that everything isn’t always what it seems, your enemies can also be who you work together with for something better and bigger, and that even when things fall apart for shit reasons likes drugs, it doesn’t always mean everyone smites that person for everything they can crit on them. When it comes to the kids, WORK TOGETHER AND NEVER USE VISITATION as upper arm against the other parent.
The kids will grow up and be able to see/investigate the story for themselves. If my son ever decides to look into this when he gets a little bit older, he WILL KNOW that I did everything I ever could to help his mom in every possible way. And not that I would ever bring the light of it to him myself, IF he investigates enough he will see that his mom threatened me and her sons other father with every last threat of taking them from us and never seeing them again. At the same time they will see that since her being fucked up that the dads AND HER did and cooperated in every last way to doing what is best for the boys.
This story is almost NEVER the case in breakups and parental court orders, but I’m just trying to put a message out there that if more people didn’t use their kids as bargaining chips, they could make their kids lives so much better faster.
Again, just stating thus could be a story going BOTH WAYS. There are just as much dads out there who aren’t the best people as the moms. However this story can help anyone, I’m happy for sharing it.
[–]lpt5703 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately a rarity but good on this dude
[–]LordRedBear 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh fuck this brings me joy
[–]Popiipop 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats stonks man!
[–]KEEDLife 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This man is lucky he didn't get aborted
[–]dekachin5 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So it's fake. OP is pakistani.
[–]Ed98208 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OP just posted something he found on Instagram. I don't think he's trying to say he's Mike Jenkins.
He posted a bunch of details like he knows the people involved.
I just checked and it's a real twitter post, but people on twitter called the dude out as being full of shit. Dude replied to himself trying to sell merch, so it's pretty obvious he was just trying to go viral to get clicks to advertise.
It's very, very implausible to say the least. Like 99.9% implausible.
[–]Chance_Oblivion 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hahahahahahaha as a single parent I applaud this 🤣
[–]bloodthorn1990 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
based.
[–]ShadyK55 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shoulda taken the 500, arrogant bitch
[–]TheDankHoo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here King, you dropped this 👑
[–]Shape-Beater -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
E Q A L I T Y
[–]Boutta-finna-yeet 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I sure do love me some of that eqality
[–]The_Drunken_Whale 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I too like equity
[+]theKickAHobo -11 points-10 points-9 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I'm against the whole idea of forced child support. If you want to keep the baby and the other person doesn't that sounds like it's fully your choice and you should take on full responsibility.
[–]Fizzwidgy 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People should have to pass a test and get certified to have children.
Change my mind.
[–]serious_grey[S] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
You both produced a child now fking pay for the kid, alot of times a parent is forced to take custody of the child either the child father or mother is idiot and one has to sacrifice. To care for the kid one parent gets to sacrifice while the other give his her share of price
[–]Zadien22 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If a woman doesn't want a child, she gets to abort it. If the man doesn't, tough shit, he's gotta pay for that for 18 years? Fuck that, and you.
[–]granolanutbars 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I hate people who talk about “you both made this child now you have to pay”
Suck my balls bruh, I’ve had chicks have abortions without telling me. I’ve been told again and again I have no right to be angry, it’s her body. But if they ever decide to keep it, suddenly it’s “you both made this child, now you have to take care of the consequences”
[–]openyourojos 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
stop. that thinking is seriously outdated and harmful.
women get a choice. if they don't want to have a kid and you do... they can kill your kid. if you don't want to have a kid and they do they can force you to have one.
there needs to be recourse to say "I will not be a part of this child's life and want no rights or responsibility"
if they choose to then go through with the pregnancy knowing that its 100% on them.
this whole conscription buillshit is super fucked up ESPECIALLY when the state doesn't even give a shit if they have the right guy.
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/man-forced-to-pay-child-support-despite-dna-test-proving-he-is-not-the-father/77-f0f77af5-409c-40e4-8c6e-3336123e1f85
this shit is disgusting and needs reform. its not 1950 anymore. women have high paying careers and can work and have all the same rights I do. there's no reason to force men to subsidize their children for them anymore.
alot of times a parent is forced to take custody of the child
you mean a lot of times fathers are kept from their children because of outdated and harmful beliefs about mothers being more important? is that what you meant?
To care for the kid one parent gets to sacrifice while the other give his her share of price
you're disgusting.
give his her share of price
seriously? absolutely abhorrent. THAT'S A FUCKING CHILD NOT A HONDA CIVIC YOU DISGUSTING MOTHERFUCKER.
[–]serious_grey-8 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The fuck you trying to say actually?
Some parent is forced to take a kid because the other parent is retard and acc to law a women shall pay too idk why u think its disgusting how stupid you are?
Also you talking about law like this is International law, other countries exist self centred thug.
[–]Faithlessness_Top2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Can you try writing that in English?
[–]openyourojos1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Some parent is forced to take a kid because the other parent is retard
ok. since you can't even put together a grammatically correct sentence I'm gonna go ahead and ignore you.
and acc to law a women shall pay too
and? that isn't the case more often than not because of the bias in family courts (that feminists have lobbied for extensively over the past few generations I should add) toward mothers.
why u think its disgusting how stupid you are?
because it is. it is outdated backwards disgusting thinking from a previous era that we need to be rid of.
I'm talking about the law as it applies to the person in the post.
[–]serious_grey-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
First of all when idiots have nothing to say they pick grammar and i am not a native english my english is like Donald trump
Second since when women equality is backward thinking, Just shut up karen
[–]openyourojos3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
first of all I litterally went on to say quite a lot you dunce.
ummm ew what the fuck? are you too stupid to understand what I said? LMFAO.
[–]Dirtyfingerteemo3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You can't even put together a coherent argument. That "Karen" is exactly right and you look stupid now.
[–]msunicornspace2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you want a child have a child with someone who wants a child as well?
[–]theKickAHobo-6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm saying if one person doesn't want anything to do with the kid the other should have to take that I to account when they make the decision to keep the kid.
[–]_Tydomistius_-3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Are u stupid, dumb or stupid? Huh?
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nice repost
[–]serious_grey[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Straight from insta to Reddit
[–][deleted]-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This has been posted in this sub multiple times already
[–]JustVega -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wasn’t ready to raise a child or have one.
Then you shouldn’t of opened your legs in the first place girl. This also applies to guys too. If you think your pull out game is on point and even if she’s on the pill plus maybe you wear a condom. Always know there’s a chance it can still happen. That’s one a few reasons I ain’t trying to get fresh with girls. I’m in no position to support a family, not just a kid. I’d be there for my child no matter what, but I’d like to provide them with everything they need and what I didn’t have if possible.
Lastly, I’m not eager for another big reason. I don’t trust anyone. If you can and I can provide proof we’re both clean, then I’m all for it. I’m definitely not gonna get something off someone. I feel like plenty of people go in silly nilly then come out with something. That’s an easy pass from me
[–]aivfieavpi 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol just fuck guys instead no need to worry about pregnancy
[–]dalinprome0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
ok boomer
[–]doorkn00b-46 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Niceeeeeee"
The E is silent. It's literally the only sound you couldn't linger on when saying this out loud. Never once has anyone ever said "Nice-eeeeeeeeee" to emphasize they thought something was nice. So why the fuck do I keep seeing this shit. Do you people not know how speech works?
Haha, fastest triggering in the west. Learn speech and sentences, children.
[–][deleted]27 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh suck a bag of dicks you pedantic arse crumpet.
[–]stegg8816 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I second this.... Arse crumpet!
[–]ChickenDestruction-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He's right, you know
[–]doorkn00b-14 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Aww, are you expecting a free pass on being an idiot? Wrong sub dummy.
That comment literally makes no sense whatsoever.
[–]RoscoMan11 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That scared the shit out of your own.
[–]doorkn00b-10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Is reading conprehension also beyond you?
[–]--shaunoftheliving3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Cringe
TIL saying nicceeeee in casual conversation classifies you as an idiot.
[–]Vann7711 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lick my balls you annoying bellend.
[–]Somaliancreamcheese11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Shut the fuck up you pussy pimple popping piss fart
[–]serious_grey10 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Stop over thinking
[–]doorkn00b-4 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Stop under thinking.
[–]King-Toxic5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Literally nobody gives a fuck, and nobody is triggered. The only person here that I see getting triggered is you, and you're getting triggered over some meaningless ass shit like "niceeeeeeee" fucking dumbass.
[–]doorkn00b-2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Nobody" except the entire crowd of people that got upset about my comment. Don't go on the internet if you can't handle criticism.
Nah, they aren't triggered, they're annoyed with your shit, there's a difference. And it's not like you can handle criticism either, you do the same ass shit they do, except they're insulting you for being fucking annoying for no reason, while you're insulting them for insulting you and disagreeing with you, they're reasonably annoyed, while you're triggered. You're a hypocrite.
[–]doorkn00b-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nah, I've decided that you're the one being fucking annoying for no reason. I pointed out someone doing stupid shit and the collective response here was just to throw insults and tantrums like children. If you call "lick my balls" criticism instead of a manchild tantrum, then sorry, you're mentally retarded. You just don't like me calling out your stupid shit, you just want to fire off a comment and slink away, so you call a response "being unable to handle criticism." That's called a kafka trap, and it's a fallacy. I can sit here all day calling you out for stupid shit and guess what, as long as you keep saying stupid shit, I'm in the right.
But hey, if you disagree with my assessment, all you have to do to not be a hypocrite by your own standards is bend over and spread your asshole for me. Just don't respond at all and let me call you a fucking annoying ass crumpet because you deserve it for saying anything at all. Go on. Do it.
[–]King-Toxic2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Mhm, cool, nobody fucking cares about your wall of text. You really think you're insulting me, don't you? Pretty cute, but I have thicker skin than you, buddy. It's pretty obvious that you're trying to get me angry, but unlike you I'm not an easy to provoke little bitch.
[–]doorkn00b1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol. "Reading is too hard so I'm just gonna insult you." "I have a thick skin." LMAO. Thank you for proving everything I said, which means I can go ahead and block you because you're out of things to say. I can already see you fuming because you won't get the last word, which I know is what little bitches like you hinge your self-esteem on.
Hahaha you're gonna block me? Damn, guess I was right about you being a fucking pussy.
[–]MyNameIsChrisHansen82 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How does that make you feel??!! They’re not gonna let you get the last word so you have obviously been outmatched.
Damn, guess it's over for me, without the last word I'm fucked.
Sending you my prayers.
I'll need them. I don't know how I can cope with not getting the last word.
[–]Somaliancreamcheese1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I only responded because I thought it was funny. I actually don't care what you wrote, if that helps?
Don’t go on the internet if you get that offended by niiceeee.
You should be more niccceeeeeeeeeeeee to people instead of being miserable.
[–]anonredditor08104 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
r/iamverysmart
[–]francis0118-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ok boomer
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[–]spoonguy123 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SnooSnafuAchoo 1273 points1274 points1275 points (331 children) | Copy Link
[–]Slaynne 358 points359 points360 points (30 children) | Copy Link
[–]OverlordWaffles 141 points142 points143 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]WeAreBeyondFucked 63 points64 points65 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Slaynne 34 points35 points36 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]naughtymarty 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]WeAreBeyondFucked 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]SamBBMe 8 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Slaynne 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]connecteduser 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Slaynne 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]GremlinsIIGumbysBack 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Slaynne 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
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[–]kangarooninjadonuts 222 points223 points224 points (257 children) | Copy Link
[–]Ger-Bear_69 455 points456 points457 points (137 children) | Copy Link
[–]puppy_mill 100 points101 points102 points (129 children) | Copy Link
[–]visual_account 67 points68 points69 points (118 children) | Copy Link
[–]meltedwhitechocolate 40 points41 points42 points (43 children) | Copy Link
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[–]throwaway54326842 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]throwaway54326840 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]here_for_the_meems 7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]MrMoonFace10000001 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]packardpa 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]kw2024 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]zombifiednation 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]MocDcStufffins 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]literal-hitler 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]ChateauDeDangle -2 points-1 points0 points (51 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Andre271 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]MocDcStufffins1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]thebigdirty2 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]Nac82 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
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[–]AtomicKittenz -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]YeshuaMedaber0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]nobbert6660 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]ShooterMcStabbins 25 points26 points27 points (26 children) | Copy Link
[–]davdev 8 points9 points10 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]TheBasik 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]1Random_User 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]slyrz 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]UncitedClaims 10 points11 points12 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]hiimbob451 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]UncitedClaims 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]SamBBMe 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]An_Antagonist 13 points14 points15 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]danzilla0071 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]An_Antagonist 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]KayIslandDrunk 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]theoldwisemen 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]danzilla0071 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]Arcosah 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ysisverynice 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]BrokeAssBrewer 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]UltimateSausage1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]yaboyjiggleclay 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]truth_sentinell 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rabidbot 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]here_for_the_meems 6 points7 points8 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]oiuwej06081 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]truth_sentinell 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]gagnonca -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Jmsaint 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]stoopid_dummy 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]JoshAllenforMessiah 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]drunxor0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]scientz3 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[+]TheHadMatter15 -23 points-22 points-21 points (46 children) | Copy Link
[–]kangarooninjadonuts 83 points84 points85 points (17 children) | Copy Link
[–]iApolloDusk -2 points-1 points0 points (16 children) | Copy Link
[–]PartypantsPete1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
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[–]InstigaTORxx 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]AllAloneAgain21670 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]AllAloneAgain21670 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]KongQiuBBQ 9 points10 points11 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]DisWastingMyTime 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Jiigsi 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]MazeeMoo 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA 28 points29 points30 points (6 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Tonroz 15 points16 points17 points (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]CapitalMM1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]SubmissiveJew 7 points8 points9 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]QuintenBoosje 2 points3 points4 points (5 children) | Copy Link
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[–]SubmissiveJew 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]zaxes1234 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]chxlarm1 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]dekachin5 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]Indecisively 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]serious_grey[S] -1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]dekachin5 2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]bonbonbon- 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Three-Witches 0 points1 point2 points (13 children) | Copy Link
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]Three-Witches 0 points1 point2 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]puppy_mill 0 points1 point2 points (10 children) | Copy Link
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[–]serious_grey[S] 24 points25 points26 points (16 children) | Copy Link
[–]OSHA_certified 13 points14 points15 points (15 children) | Copy Link
[–]Predicted 4 points5 points6 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]maschetoquevos 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]MyDogSharts-7 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]Dullgouge301 point [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]micksack 20 points21 points22 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]timski9000 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Hippo_Operator 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]serious_grey[S] 1 point2 points3 points (13 children) | Copy Link
[–]RDwelve 1 point2 points3 points (12 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Whiskey-Papa 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]Vloff 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]nicematt900 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]TheRapistsFor800 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Chri5ti4n733 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]MiscllaneousShitPost 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]charmandaaa 497 points498 points499 points (60 children) | Copy Link
[–]cantadmittoposting 189 points190 points191 points
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[–]throwaway75693 49 points50 points51 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]cantadmittoposting 21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]charmandaaa 22 points23 points24 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]pbj986 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]drunxor1 points [recovered] (35 children) | Copy Link
[–]davdev 11 points12 points13 points (18 children) | Copy Link
[–]greeneyedbaby190 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Marialagos 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Agent_Dutchess 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]davdev 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]JoshAllenforMessiah2 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]angels-fan 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]The_Real_Bobby_Hill 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]DaftyMcCuntflaps 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]dekachin5 -1 points0 points1 point (7 children) | Copy Link
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[–]OSHA_certified0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]chumkinson2 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]polskapeopleyay1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]serious_grey[S] 31 points32 points33 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Roundaboutsix 167 points168 points169 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]junkmeister9 70 points71 points72 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]dirty_cuban 29 points30 points31 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]junkmeister9 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]xB7zM22k1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]junkmeister9 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]danielandtrent 141 points142 points143 points (9 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Steelwolf73 21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Needmeawhip 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]entropylaser 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]USBayernChelseaLCFC 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Unpopular_OpinionBot0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]iamonlyoneman 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]DreamingDragonSoul 17 points18 points19 points (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]DreamingDragonSoul 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Boogereater42069 20 points21 points22 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]serious_grey[S] 15 points16 points17 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]disco_pancake1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]Nukken 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ILikeToArgueALot 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]disco_pancake1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]ILikeToArgueALot 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]serious_grey[S] -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Nitrome10000 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]Hippo_Operator 3 points4 points5 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]Moondo13 3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]iApolloDusk -1 points0 points1 point (5 children) | Copy Link
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[–]alucard4124 19 points20 points21 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]DlSCONNECTED-6 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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[–]rpizzzzle 7 points8 points9 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]BitchinIndika 5 points6 points7 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Faithlessness_Top 4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]JoshAllenforMessiah0 points [recovered] | Copy Link
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