Vitamin D/Zinc - It works

BigG123 · 2015-09-26T12:26:11+00:00

Any sources to these claims?

redpillbanana · 2015-09-26T12:33:54+00:00

I had a noticeable change in my libido after supplementing with 5000 iu/day of vitamin D3. It almost felt like I was taking a Cialis pill.

If you live a modern lifestyle of staying in a building all day and going out at night then you're probably deficient in vitamin D (which is more of a hormone/steroid than a vitamin).

From what I've heard, most people don't need more than 5000 iu/day and 2500 iu/day is recommended. I know some guys taking 10k iu/day which is a bit extreme.

http://www.ergo-log.com/bodybuilder-poisons-himself-with-vitamin-d.html

Vitamin D3 should be at the top of every supplement-using athlete's shopping list. It’s the only vitamin that nutritionists agree on unanimously: we don't get enough of it in our diet. But of course you can take things too far as well, as the Brazilian doctors who have now treated more than a dozen bodybuilders for vitamin D poisoning know.

...

When the bodybuilder described the substances he was using the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. He'd been giving himself intramuscular injections for two years, and the products he'd been injecting included veterinary products containing vitamin D. For two years he’d been injecting himself with 50 ml of an oil that contained 50,000 IE vitamin D3.

letsberealistik · 2015-09-26T13:55:57+00:00

If you take anything over 20mg zinc daily you need to eat it with a large meal and you'll need to also take a copper supplement. Sometimes you can buy zinc/copper combined supps

... You'll also bust insanely huge loads

LordCruelman · 2015-09-26T11:03:41+00:00

I would also recommend taking Magnesium.

30mg of Zinc and 450mg of Magnesium after dinner or 1 hour before sleeping will do wonders to your rest and recuperation.

Also take good forms, avoid Magnesium Oxide, take something like Magnesium Citrate.

nastynickdr · 2015-09-26T12:29:11+00:00

If you are worried about vitamin d toxicity research about vitamin k2. Vitamin d increases calcium absorption, and k2 is what redirects calcium to where it should go - bones and teeth, and keeps it away from where it should not be - soft tissues like arteries. I read a book that says that vit d toxicity is nothing more than vit k2 deficiency, and taking vit d increases your need for k2. If you are buying it i recommend life extension super k.

Eltakiam · 2015-09-26T12:40:55+00:00

even if I wanted to try to experience Ecstasy or other drugs, I'm allergic to morphine which is included in most drugs.

Morphine and its derivatives are highly addictive drugs. One should keep away from them not just because one is allergic to them.

Don't listen to the recommended dosage, but your own body.

That's some fucked up advice.

eserai · 2015-09-26T15:00:49+00:00

people, I know there can be nothing wrong with pill taking, but why have pills when you can consume it in the natural way. Chick peas contain amazing amounts of magnesium, iron, b-6 and zinc. add some salmon to your diet and you got now b-12 and both the omegas. as well as eggs in the morning and flounder at night and you have enough vitamin D

RPmatrix · 2015-09-26T14:07:25+00:00

I highly recommend magnesium supps too! Here's why; And easy on the calcium for reasons outlined below:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201106/magnesium-and-the-brain-the-original-chill-pill

Let's look at the mechanisms first.

Magnesium hangs out in the synapse between two neurons along with calcium and glutamate. If you recall, calcium and glutamate are excitatory, and in excess, toxic (link is external). They activate the NMDA receptor. Magnesium can sit on the NMDA receptor without activating it, like a guard at the gate.

Therefore, if we are deficient in magnesium, there's no guard. Calcium and glutamate can activate the receptor like there is no tomorrow.

In the long term, this damages the neurons, eventually leading to cell death. In the brain, that is not an easy situation to reverse or remedy.

And then there is the stress-diathesis model of depression, which is the generally accepted theory that chronic stress leads to excess cortisol, which eventually damages the hippocampus of the brain, leading to impaired negative feedback and thus ongoing stress and depression and neurotoxicity badness.

Merck (link is external) tells us that magnesium seems to act on many levels in the hormonal axis and regulation of the stress response. Magnesium can suppress the ability of the hippocampus to stimulate the ultimate release of stress hormone, it can reduce the release of ACTH (the hormone that tells your adrenal glands to get in gear and pump out that cortisol and adrenaline), and it can reduce the responsiveness of the adrenal glands to ACTH.

In addition, magnesium can act at the blood brain barrier to prevent the entrance of stress hormones into the brain.

Emily Deans M.D. Evolutionary Psychiatry Magnesium and the Brain: The Original Chill Pill Learn more about this vital nutrient. Posted Jun 12, 2011

Magnesium is a vital nutrient that is often deficient in modern diets. Our ancient ancestors would have had a ready supply from organ meats, seafood, mineral water, and even swimming in the ocean, but (link is external)modern soils can be depleted of minerals (link is external)and magnesium is removed from water during routine municipal treatment.

The current RDA for adults is between 320 and 420mg daily (link is external), and the average US intake is around 250mg daily.

Does it matter if we are a little bit deficient? Well, magnesium plays an important role in biochemical reactions all over your body. It is involved in a lot of cell transport activities, in addition to helping cells make energy aerobically or anaerobically. Your bones are a major reservoir for magnesium, and magnesium is the counter-ion for calcium and potassium in muscle cells, including the heart.

If your magnesium is too low, you can experience muscle cramps, arrythmias, and even sudden death (link is external). Ion regulation is everything with respect to how muscles contract and nerves send signals. In the brain, potassium and sodium balance each other. In the heart and other muscles, magnesium pulls some of the load.

Magnesium is an old home remedy for all that ails you, including "anxiety, apathy, depression, headaches, insecurity, irritability, restlessness, talkativeness, and sulkiness." In 1968, Wacker and Parisi (link is external) reported that magnesium deficiency could cause depression, behavioral disturbances, headaches, muscle cramps, seizures, ataxia, psychosis, and irritability - all reversible with magnesium repletion.

Stress is the bad guy here, in addition to our woeful magnesium deficient diets. As is the case with other minerals such as zinc, stress causes us to waste our magnesium like crazy.

Let's look at Eby's case studies from his paper:

A 59 y/o "hypomanic-depressive male", with a long history of treatable mild depression, developed anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and insomnia after a year of extreme personal stress and bad diet ("fast food"). Lithium and a number of antidepressants did nothing for him. 300mg magnesium glycinate (and later taurinate) was given with every meal. His sleep was immediately restored, and his anxiety and depression were greatly reduced, though he sometimes needed to wake up in the middle of the night to take a magnesium pill to keep his "feeling of wellness." A 500mg calcium pill would cause depression within one hour, extinguished by the ingestion of 400mg magnesium.
A 23 year-old woman with a previous traumatic brain injury became depressed after extreme stress with work, a diet of fast food, "constant noise," and poor academic performance. After one week of magnesium treatment, she became free of depression, and her short term memory and IQ returned.
A 35 year-old woman with a history of post-partum depression was pregnant with her fourth child. She took 200mg magnesium glycinate with each meal. She did not develop any complications of pregnancy and did not have depression with her fourth child, who was "healthy, full weight, and quiet."
A 40 year-old "irritable, anxious, extremely talkative, moderately depressed" smoking, alchohol-drinking, cocaine using male took 125mg magnesium taurinate at each meal and bedtime, and found his symptoms were gone within a week, and his cravings for tobacco, cocaine, and alcohol disappeared. His "ravenous appetite was supressed, and ... beneficial weight loss ensued."

Eby has the same question about the history of depression that I do - why is depression increasing? His answer is magnesium deficiency. Prior to the development of widespread grain refining capability, whole grains were a decent source of magnesium (though phytic acid in grains will bind minerals such as magnesium, so the amount you eat in whole grains will generally be more than the amount you absorb). Average American intake in 1905 was 400mg daily, and only 1% of Americans had depression prior to the age of 75. In 1955, white bread (nearly devoid of magnesium) was the norm, and 6% of Americans had depression before the age of 24. In addition, eating too much calcium interferes with the absorption of magnesium, setting the stage for magnesium deficiency

Redasshole · 2015-09-27T19:21:01+00:00

Spent 10 minutes to write a long reply but it wasn't saved somehow.

Tl:dr is: you are a fucking moron for saying things like

Don't listen to the recommended dosage, but your own body.

Who the fuck are you to give advices? Wait what, you speak based on experience? Well yeah, YOUR experience. The experience of ONE individual, based on your feeeeelz.

You give dangerous advices. The gym rats also give dangerous advices but I'm not mad at them because they want to make gains and their advices works.

But you! You! You give advices that are dangerous AND useless.

To anyone who wants to know what's BS and what's not about nutrition, THIS is the reference.

Now go fuck yourself and keep ruining your body if you want but stop preaching your bad decisions to other people.

Moron.

doritoesNcoffee · 2015-09-26T11:16:18+00:00

Make sure you take your zinc after your meal and NOT before. If you take it on an empty stomach you'll feel really crappy. Also, if you take zinc for more than a month or so, add in a copper supplement.

thewrightstuff88 · 2015-09-26T13:15:23+00:00

30 mg zinc is a good place to stay at, going into the 50 mg range led to heart palpitations so you don't want to over do it. I mainly take mine at night and notice very vivid dreams whenever I do take it.

nodiggity9721 · 2015-09-26T16:30:46+00:00

For those who have shit skin, Zinc is a great one. After taking Zinc for two weeks you'll notice a sharp decline in the amount of acne and blemishes but you'll also notice a nice change of tone to your skin, a slight golden tint. Now of course, this combined with vitamin D and legit daily sunlight will give you even better results.

Skin in the human body acts in a way, as a reflection of our current health and state. That is why we notice "dull" skin on sick individuals and "glowing" skin on healthy ones. It's the quickest way for us to not only identify the health and sexual strength/compatibility in others but also to identify this in ourselves with just a quick look in the mirror.

VodkaTankerSpill · 2015-09-26T22:17:09+00:00

MDMA and ecstasy do not contain morphine. Where the fucking fuck did you get that stupid idea?

cheeky_throwaway101 · 2015-09-26T11:06:21+00:00

Yeah I got some Zinc picolinate in liquid form at the beginning of this year. Drop it into my morning water, shit works wonders. Nails are like steel, mood improved 60%. More energy, and my semen went back to being thick white and viscous rather than pale and watery. Can't recommend enough.

balmylips · 2015-09-26T12:33:54+00:00

Do you have any actual scientific papers to back up any of these claims? Otherwise, your testimonial sounds like a commercial.

oldmanwho · 2015-09-26T14:22:24+00:00

no, it doesn't.

all co-enzymes require the enzyme.

health nutters.

NevrEndr · 2015-09-26T13:08:41+00:00

I take D3 in the morning for mood and zinc after lifting. Positive state of mind and buckets of cum. Wifey loves it

anti_erection_man · 2015-09-26T14:57:59+00:00

I can also vouch for you (don't have any studies or sources, own experience).

I took mega doses of zinc in cycle combined with copper (zinc depletes copper and can become dangerous). Last time I did such cycle I did around 1000% RDA zinc for a month.

Noticed effects: aggressiveness, better gym endurance, hyper sex drive, increase in ejaculate volume by 300%. Like a lot. Also faster replenished.

I can also vouch for Tribulus as many people claim both good and no results from it. I absolutely feel it. It's not as strong as zinc mega doses but it's definitely worth a try. 1500mg daily

Started taking it again after a long while, every night before sleep. Had sex dreams every night. Trib is also good for popping it before knowing you will fuck later that day.

These two combined will make you a cum machine. Don't stay on the zinc mega dose for too long tho as it will kill you sadly.

turn30left · 2015-09-26T13:28:46+00:00

These supplements also assist in increasing your loads. Along with some other supplements. There's a long running thread here: https://www.thundersplace.org/male-supplements/holy-grail-of-cum-load-increase.html

tresconik · 2015-09-26T14:09:50+00:00

If you're taking a zinc supplement, be careful of the zinc/copper ratio.

gnt_1 · 2015-09-26T14:14:15+00:00

Alright, so how much D3 and Zinc do I take? In SI unit system please.

OscarWhisky · 2015-09-26T15:11:41+00:00

I'm going to advise checking how much dietary Zinc you currently intake before jumping right on the supplements. I found out I was going a fair bit over the daily dosage for quite some time taking ZMA.

Zinc isn't one of those grey area ones either, generally you don't wanna take too much.

Bakkie · 2015-09-26T15:17:59+00:00

Vitamin D has long been prescribed for bone health, to strengthen bones. It is a precursor to, and a possible way to avoid meds for osteoporosis, a concern of silverbacks. The docs up the doses for people in cancer therapy.

Here is the link to the PubMed listing of ( currently) 4160 articles in peeer reviewed journals on the topic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Vitamin+D+bone+health

The stuff is good for you, but if it does what you suggest there would be a large number of little old ladies looking pumped up beating the crap out of wimps and betas. Not happening in my town or at least Fox News hasn't picked up on it yet.

Zinc taken orally at the very early onset of cold symptoms (think first time you realize the tickle in the back of your throat could be a cold) has been shown to make the cold less intense and shorten it by a few days.

Here is the link for an article about the efficacy of zinc against the common cold aka rhinovirus

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15496046

If it works for your energy, concentration and sex drive, cool, but don't confuse science with Dumbo's feather.

WarmApfelPi · 2015-09-26T16:01:34+00:00

ITT there's the one's saying take this and that. There's the ones saying listen to your body, which is only good if you are aware of how your body responds to things already. If you're not sure, get a blood test and want advice that's best for you, ask for a full metabolic panel. It covers all the major nutrients that you are told to do this or that about. If you're low or high on anything, find out why that could be and diet around the issues. Don't fly blind if you don't have to.

PedroIsWatching · 2015-09-26T17:11:43+00:00

Be careful with zinc though, don't take it on an empty stomach. You will vomit for 4 hours if you do so.

texture · 2015-09-26T20:26:50+00:00

I'm allergic to morphine which is included in most drugs.

This is so far from correct.

geenomike · 2015-09-26T21:28:35+00:00

Nobody cuts drugs with other expensive drugs.

CptDefB · 2015-09-27T12:31:30+00:00

I've seen it commented a few times, so I think now is the opportune moment to get some help in clearing this up for myself.

1: Paraphrasing: "There is nothing wrong with taking pills, but getting your vitamins and nutrients via food is the best way, because that's how we're designed." Okay, fair. Appeal to nature fallacy, maybe.

2: IIFYM, and particularly supplementing with protein powder (which seems to be the only thing on which no one has an issue with when it comes to synth vs natural), go on the idea that our body can literally ingest anything. Your body doesn't really care where the macros or micros come from, as long as it gets them.

Extrapolating on 2, all the things that 1 so kindly backhands would be just as viable as eating regular food. True/False? Imagine living like astronauts on Earth, all food is powder or some shit that doesn't even resemble what we here on Earth take for granted? They aren't there for prolonged times, but disregarding the effects of 0g and orbit and whatever, could they eat the same way on Earth forever?

This is a slippery slope, as it invites legitimization to even those crazy Brasilian guys because... "Who knew?" Now we know. Maybe, now that they know the limit, they would take a dosage of whatever concoction that plays within those lines... because gains?

Just conjecturing at this point, but thoughts on 1 vs 2 would be appreciated.

cocaine_face · 2015-09-26T12:01:05+00:00

Since we're on the topic of supplements; and I also highly recommend the Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc combo you can get OTC. It's good for all those things, and particularly for immune boosting. I'll definitely have to throw in Vitamin D, though I am outside in the sun quite a bit already.

But what are your thoughts on Nootropics? Like piracetam.

Eloni · 2015-09-26T11:26:13+00:00

Be careful not to get too much vitamin D. The long term side-effects of too much can be pretty bad.

Jackrabbit710 · 2015-09-26T13:11:09+00:00

I'm taking ZMA at the moment, really helping with my sleep, and feeling of wellbeing

aazav · 2015-09-26T13:23:57+00:00

Also check out D-Aspartic acid. I bought the research paper and it can raise testosterone by 33%. I've used it and it works and it's affordable.

From the paper:

Concerning the LH pattern, the results demonstrated that after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, 20 out of 23 (87%) participants had significantly increased concentrations of LH in their blood with respect to basal values (the value of LH found in the same subjects before starting treatment). Statistical analysis demonstrated that the value (mean ± SEM) of serum calculated for all the 23 subjects treated with D-Asp increased by 33.3%.

whatsazipper · 2015-09-26T13:53:57+00:00

Vitamin D+K

Zinc Monomethionine

Magnesium, chelated

Also remember to take a walk outside daily to get some natural replenishment. This is especially important for the office dwellers.

Nymik · 2015-09-26T14:02:25+00:00

I take 5000iu of Vitamin D, B Vitamins and Probiotics each day and 400mg of Magnesium Citrate at night.

rockinhard130 · 2015-09-26T14:58:05+00:00

Just remember D3 is fat soluble, so take it with a meal with some that has some fat in it. Also, Zinc on an empty stomach and cheap zinc makes me fucking sick. Take zinc with a meal or ZMA before bed, ZMA never fucked my stomach up.

Gnometard · 2015-09-26T15:21:33+00:00

I sell vitamins and supplements, and one of my employees is a med student (soon to be doctor ) and he would agree with you. I've been taking vitamin d and others for years, it makes a huge difference for a lot of people

0638003094 · 2015-09-26T15:22:16+00:00

Think this depends on the person as well, I took Zinc and Vitamin D for at least a year consistently and didn't notice much change. Now that I stopped taking it I feel exactly the same.

IronMeltsinmyHands · 2015-09-26T17:34:32+00:00

I used to take 5000 or 3000u of vitamin d3, but I stopped when these moles started showing up on my body.

moveon4ever · 2015-09-26T19:17:58+00:00

In my country, believe or not, you can't find zinc at all

But, there is Calivita 50mg Zinc, is that fine?!

moose_war · 2015-09-26T20:33:36+00:00

I take a good amount of D3 every day and Zinc every day and don't notice much of a difference. I take a supp that blends zinc/calcicum/magnesium but sometimes I opt to take a straight up Zinc pill which is 50mg. This is not really a good daily dose, 25mg is safer, but I do take the 50mg on occasion and usually notice the next day or day after that my hard on is temporarily strong as is my orgasm etc. I'd try the 50mg for like a week straight but I hear that much Zinc is a real bad idea. A week might not hurt me though, I'll give it a go.

ChewbaccaFart · 2015-09-26T20:46:50+00:00

I've always had almost a phobia about taking any sort of supplement. Because when I do eventually run out or stop taking them for whatever reason, wouldn't it then make me feel like shit? Essentially rendering you dependent on the supplement?

Edizok · 2015-09-27T06:50:34+00:00

I have tried it and it's wonderful. The only problem is that I suffer from stomach ulcers and taking this before going to bed makes me wake up feeling so hungry and it's bad for the ulcers.

redpillersinparis · 2015-09-27T07:59:03+00:00

ITT: lotta broscience with no sources

unicornh_1 · 2015-09-27T11:10:30+00:00

i eat overnight soaked figs for zinc. it really works..

schoolboyQueue · 2015-09-27T15:19:37+00:00

I'm allergic to morphine which is included in most drugs

This is not true. Morphine is a potent analgesic which is a controlled substance pretty much everywhere around the world. It is therefore a) not handed willy nilly by doctors b) far more expensive than other things recreational drugs might be cut with - meaning almost all drugs on the street won't be cut with it.

instaswole · 2015-09-27T19:42:18+00:00

Anyone on here have experience with Nootropics? Always read about them but never gave any a chance.. just wondering if its bunk science or not.

trevoris · 2015-09-28T06:56:18+00:00

What does "Try taking 2 times 3400 IE" mean? Does that mean taking 3400 IU's of D3 twice a day?

Nice post, but the specific dose recommendations you gave are difficult to understand and made me frustrated.

nishnasty · 2015-09-28T19:02:45+00:00

How much zinc is everyone taking? 28/M

Burger_Sliders · 2015-09-29T00:42:06+00:00

Question, is it safe to take zinc, magnesium and 5 htp at the same time before bed?

Snufek · 2015-09-26T11:37:38+00:00

I can't find it now, but there was an article stating that it is very important to take Vitamin A if you're doing D. I think you should be fine eating more carrots though.

MoneyStatusLooks · 2015-09-26T23:55:28+00:00

Cool post. I can confirm Vit D helps.

My regime is a bit more advanced, but this stack helps:

Breakfast: Bulletproof coffee + grass fed butter + MCT oil. Supps: Multi, Vit D. Cortisol supression: Vit C, phosphatidyl Serine. Calming: L-theanine (any time I have caffeine). Phenibut on rare occasions, low dosage. pre/post workout: creatine before bed: ZMA.

Diet, generally fairly bulletproof/paleo. Lot's of veggies, animal protein, nuts, few carbs, butter.

I feel like god :)

pluvoaz · 2015-09-26T13:22:39+00:00

That's it, GLO's next project needs to be TRP multivitamin.

Maybe call it Bro-pomine??? GLOpomine might even be to self-serving for him.

laere · 2015-09-26T12:07:32+00:00

Can you post the brands of bitamins you use?

_ClearPiss · 2015-09-26T13:12:23+00:00

Any good vitamins you can buy online? I don't want to eat shit they provide for you in the pharmacy or just a normal shop. I want quality shit, even if a bottle of multivitamins costs me 60 bucks a month. Help appreaciated.

gerwig · 2015-09-26T16:57:52+00:00

Can we stop making posts about vitamins? This isn't a health subreddit.

dave843 · 2015-09-26T16:15:08+00:00

This is all a placebo effect.

Title	Vitamin D/Zinc - It works
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