I feel like all I see are women missing the point completely which as an unattractive guy myself kinda hurts my feelings tbh, it feels like a lack of empathy and understanding. Then you have the far redpill dudes who end up missing the mark the other way, usually guys that just needed to take care of themselves a bit more and get some direction in life end up doing fine but telling people very clearly less fortunate then them basic cliche tropes that if they did have just a little empathy they would know isnt feasible.

You've got the blue pill folks who seem to live in an idealistic version of the world, one which it would certainly be nice if we lived in, where people are judged more on the contents of the book (personality) rather than the cover page (looks), I just dont think its realistic.

Lastly you have the black pillers which in all honesty are the only ones bringing up the real issues, that in a good 95% of cases looks (which are genetics, like face and height ect.) Are the precursor for attraction, what I severely dislike about this group however is that is offers no solution at all, although it may be true at least in my eyes it's almost impossible to not carry around a very heavy depression with you after ingesting it.

At least the other pills try to offer solutions even if it would not work for us that fall into the unattractive category.

So to you, personally, what are you trying to gain from these discussions?

The goal seems to be consensus but none of the parties involved seem to see the others point of veiw.

No one really seems to address the fact that men are super depressed and effing themselves quicker and quicker or just living incredibly lonely and sad lives, I mean why do anything if you'll be alone forever right? and although they get some flack women dont have it as easy as you think, some of the struggles although a lower percentage compared to men have a similar issues, some have children to multiple fathers which is easy to throw hate at but its certainly not an enviable position as it makes it less likely to find a partner and some hit a certain age and dating become a steep uphill battle.

Instead of arguing over the dating politics and personalised veiw points that seem to lack empathy and at least an effort to understand one another, has anyone actaully offered helpful solutions to disenfranchised men who remain virgins or have sex almost never, who have crippled their mental health with lonliness? Or given true heartfelt advice to women so they dont end up lonely because society has told them they can run through all the men without hitting a wall at 35 or whatever.

It seems both sides have lost fulfillment in their lives and it is very saddening that there doesnt seem to actaully be any support given.