Is Polygyny the future?

januaryphilosopher · 2024-07-01T21:20:31+00:00

What would even be the point? They might as well not commit and have multiple part-time lovers who aren't committed to them compared to just one.

ConanTheCybrarian · 2024-07-01T22:04:00+00:00

no.

there is no benefit for women in this scenario.

That's why all societies and groups that practice polygyny have to use things like religious and financial coercion, abuse, and withholding education in order to keep women "in line."

apresonly · 2024-07-01T22:28:32+00:00

if women were okay with polygyny men wouldn't lie about pursuing other women

wtknight · 2024-07-01T21:17:44+00:00

No. Women don’t like to share men. They’ll stay single if they can’t find the right guy and maybe have a FWB who also sees other women, but they won’t openly cohabitate.

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-07-01T21:36:19+00:00

I think the future will be a lot less dating in general, which will eventually fall into some sort of communal social group once people become lonely enough. It won't be so much polygyny, since women are seeking more independence in general. Between staying single and sharing a man, I think most women would prefer to stay single.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-07-02T02:23:31+00:00

No. It creates far too much problems and need much more efforts than monogamy. And you have other things to worry about, adding even more issues to your life isn't what you want.

Muscletov · 2024-07-02T11:42:33+00:00

I don't think it will come to widespread formal, commitment-like arrangements, but we are definitely seeing a strong increase in constellations where a consistent but small amount of men keep a steadily growing amount of women in casual, sexual relationships. With the relatively recent, neutral term "situationship" indicating a normalization process.

It's basically the logical consequence of our sexual market becoming truly free. And like any liberalized, imbalanced market, we have a growing amount of abject losers and absolute have-it-alls.

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-07-01T21:52:38+00:00

No. Taking your numbers at face value, which I'm hesitant to do, dating is one thing, marriage is another, and as soon as you start having kids this kind of setup would become a legal/financial nightmare (which you can see if you've ever been part of a family where a man has a secret family or even kids from tons of marriages).

Also not to be too rude here, most women aren't desperate enough for partnership to be providers for men they don't even have to themselves, much less men they do have to themselves. There's absolutely no benefit there.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-07-03T20:07:13+00:00

Yes. I mean I practice unmarried polygyny. It's more and more popular. I don't see it so much women provide for the man. In a way I guess because modern women are "cheap" ie they come with some income assets etc. So they don't need to be fully taken care of financially but it's not some broke man with 5 wives... it's a rich man with 5 wives I think most likely.

Frisky_Eggplant · 2024-07-25T21:48:46+00:00

Here is a reality.

One% of men are incarcerated. In some racial demographics it is almost 2%.

In the new generation up to 20% of men identify as gay.

15% of men are convicted felons

What do you think is going to happen? 3% of men also die earlier than women. When you add it all up there’s at least 30% of women who are not going to find a spouse.

Of the men that are left only 5% make enough money to be polygynous. 5% of men will pick up the 30% of women. Either legally or on the side. It’s already happening.

Green_Raisin_8925 · 2024-08-16T13:14:35+00:00

twistednormz · 2024-07-01T21:33:37+00:00

online dating is only beneficial for the top 5% of men

According to whom? Where did you get this number from?

women only finding the top 20% attractive

According to whom? Where did you get this number from? You're going to reply that it's from "studies", that you have never even seen, you've just seen this "fact" (lol) repeated over and over again by the "manosphere". Can we not? I'm not going to accept made up statistics here. If you want to have a good faith discussion then bring real facts please.

it stands to reason the future will be households where one man has multiple working (providers) wives.

No it doesn't. Explain where you got this prediction from.

This is already present in short term dating with 30% of women single in their 20s vs 63% of men.

🙄

All these women are sharing the top tier guys!

No they aren't. This is another made up "fact" that you have decided to believe. Provide proof if you want to be taken seriously.

As women now can provide for themselves will they become providers of the future for their shared husband?

No, they will provide for themselves of course, the answer is in the question.

Cunning_Linguists_ · 2024-07-01T22:18:14+00:00

Polygyny is happening right now, women are just now realizing it with "Are we dating the same guy"

shadowrangerfs · 2024-07-01T22:45:36+00:00

No. Women have egos too. Very few women will ever knowingly share a man. Most will lower their standards in order to get a decent guy all to themselves. A smaller percentage will just stay single.

GH0STRIDER579 · 2024-07-01T22:35:34+00:00

Rather than polygyny, you could make the case for voluntary single-motherhood could be the way of the future, particularly as women begin earning more and enough to provide for themselves and a child self-sufficiently, and often times have a network of friends and acquaintances who can help managing responsibility for the child as she works. Failing that, women who are high earners tend to earn enough to hire nannies and caretakers.

Honestly, there could even be a strong case for *marriage* itself becoming an outdated institution to create and to raise families, and in the future all heterosexual intercourse will be purely recreational as women take on family forming roles, and men are relegated to being sperm donors.

obviousredflag · 2024-07-02T08:13:52+00:00

All these women are sharing the top tier guys!

They don't., And they never will.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2024-07-01T23:22:46+00:00

Why has this sub become such a blackpill fatalist doomer haven?

Every day a new neurotic apocalypse scenario.

You do know humans have been around for at least like 200k years and everything's still working, right?

You think Tinder is what's gonna break humanities' mating shtick?

Women are not men - the vast majority don't think it's cool to be a side-chick to a hot guy - it's cool for some of them for some time.

Economy-Shake-1448 · 2024-07-02T00:39:32+00:00

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The reason why less women are single in their 20’s is because ALL MEN want much younger women. These women are dating all other ages. Men are hypergamous and would rather be with a much younger woman than a woman around their own age.

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-07-01T21:16:21+00:00

As online dating is only beneficial for the top 5% of men

What?

DaddyStone13 · 2024-07-01T21:48:10+00:00

Yes, and it will be fun to watch the women think they can convince the top tier men to settle on just one of them.

crookedsummer2019 · 2024-07-02T00:01:42+00:00

You’re comparing the ‘polygamy’ that occurs in short term dating to marriage.

It’s not even close to the same.

Artistic_Bumblebee17 · 2024-07-02T07:29:40+00:00

No. We’ve said countless times if we can’t get the man we want being single is fine. Only a select group of women are okay with sharing top men

SaBahRub · 2024-07-01T22:08:01+00:00

No, because most women don’t like it

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askawayor · 2024-08-10T14:29:03+00:00

Humans will always be serial monogamous. Not really counting if faithful or not.

But polygamy is not in our biology. It happens very very little and only when other modern concepts (post agriculture revolution) arise.

Green_Raisin_8925 · 2024-09-04T20:18:37+00:00

Most ppl are too asleep for this conversation honestly. But I’m excited to see more ppl talking about it. Just based on how society is and human nature by 2030 polygyny will be a norm. This current relationship dating lgbtq trend will die down and ppl will naturally move towards the next thing which is south opposite or something new in this case it’s both as polygyny hasn’t been practiced or ever accepted in the west once it does the rest of the world will follow the. Creating pockets in the world where it will never fade and growing in time and techniques will have a permanent point in time we can all point to academically and say hey this is nature this is normal.

IcyTrapezium · 2024-07-02T02:01:18+00:00

Nah. Polyandry all the way.

PiastriPs3 · 2024-07-02T02:45:28+00:00

For a certain type of woman, yes. We are going back to the wealth inequalities of the medieval period, to think that our RMP won't be affected is laughable. Anytime wealth and power was disproportionately focuses on the top echelons of the male heirarchy, cases of serial monogamy and polygamy among the top percentile of men increased because women are attracted to power and wealth. Most of the dating woes today are disproportionately affecting working class and lower middle class men and women for a reason.

Upset_Material_3372 · 2024-07-02T08:29:24+00:00

The future is just nobody gets together in true relationships while the women, that want them, have multiple very desirable fwb.

bifewova234 · 2024-07-01T22:14:42+00:00

I had a different theory of those stats. It was that the women are with older men. This also explains why so many of the old women single and the old men aren’t.

EqualSea2001 · 2024-07-01T23:05:16+00:00

I think polyandry would work better if we really must choose…

jazztaprazzta · 2024-07-02T07:47:37+00:00

Western feminism destroyed everything of value. Bye bye Western world! Welcome Islam! 😊

LiftSushiDallas · 2024-07-01T21:33:01+00:00

I will never provide for a grown man.

I'm fine sharing a rich one though!

PriestKingofMinos · 2024-07-01T22:47:11+00:00

Humans are naturally somewhat polygamous, with the vast majority of all observed cultures being moderately polygynous so I honestly think that there is a possible future where polygamy gets normalized as "just another lifestyle". Based on genetic research it's been shown that for every man who ever had offspring, about two women did. Absent religion (and the law to back it), there is no obvious secular argument against polygamy I can think of. I've noticed a lot of women are now fine with ethical non-monogamy. For women there are certain benefits. Essentially "sharing a high status man > exclusive access to an average or below average one".

As it stands now, most monogamous culture are really just engaging in soft polygamy in that we have things like remarriage. Men are more likely than women to either have no partners, or lots of partners. Young men are more likely to be single than young women. Men are more likely to commit adultery. Men are more likely to remarry after a divorce. Men are more likely to have kids with multiple women than women are to have kids with multiple men. Male reproductive success is much more variable with a small number of big time winners and a moderate number of losers at the other end. Women tend to be more in the middle.

In the modern world polygamous societies tend to be extremely unstable, violent, chaotic, and actually very bad for most average and below average men and women. However, in a modern Western nations that is somewhat gynocentric combing said gynocentrism with polygamy might be the best of both worlds for women. Historically, it's mostly been sexless males at the bottoms of society who oppose polygamy. Women, even when obvious victims of it, rarely fight it. If women want to voluntarily form harems around billionaires or super-athletes I don't see how in a sexually liberated society that places so much emphasis on self-actualization, individualism, and personal autonomy anyone could say no other than jealous single males.

In my view monogamy is very likely a patriarchal construct which, absent meaningful force, falls apart pretty quickly. It's a kind of deal where elite and successful males agree with non-elite males to set up a system of enforced monogamy so a maximal amount of men can at least have one partner. Low status males are the biggest winners and women are the major losers because they can no longer share high status males. Once you get things like no fault divorce and dating culture instead of matchmaking low status males are quickly abandoned to linger in obscurity.

leosandlattes · 2024-07-11T13:49:37+00:00

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