Red-pill types ought to stop eulogising male psychopathy

jay_de-leon · 2024-11-17T14:50:23+00:00

First off that Tyson Paul fight was a disgrace. Jake Paul is a despicable dishonorable piece of shit for fighting a 60 year old man thirty years past his prime.

Paul is a representation of the lowest form of masculinity and outside of his financial success no man should aspire to be like him.

Now to the topic at hand even though I agree that alot of men do look goofy trying to cosplay the psychotic barbaric alpha male image they still should have some aggressive qualities.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-11-17T14:43:46+00:00

Aggression doesn’t necessarily mean physical violence. It just means you’re willing to confront opposition. How do you know your heroes don’t have more aggressive traits than average?

Ok-Area-9739 · 2024-11-17T16:03:15+00:00

Can we talk about the decorate female fighters who also fought that night? Do you have a deep disgust tor them participating in boxing?

BearSpray007 · 2024-11-17T16:14:23+00:00

First off 🙄…

Second…There is nothing inherently “psychopathic” about wanting to train a fighting sport, or even wanting to test yourself in actual competition. And you completely misunderstand the context of JP’s claim. Having a capacity for violence or a capacity for aggression is NOT the same as making a HABIT of being violent or aggressive. Quite the opposite in fact, those who are trained in violence are often the LEAST aggressive in the room.

It is inherently entitled AND delusional to completely shun and turn your nose up at violence and aggression, as you are only afforded that privilege on the backs of those who HAVE been willing to he violent and aggressive.

All people but especially men, because of testosterone, have within them the capacity for violence and aggression. But it comes down to a distinction; which man do you respect/trust more? The man who denies their nature, who buries his head in the sand and avoids and runs from violence and runs from his own aggressive nature, pretends it doesn’t exist? or the man who hones his body and his mind, a man who masters his aggression and his violence, and man who has the capability to wield his violence and aggression like a tool, instead of being subjected to his own unexplored limitations.

I recently watched an interview of a retired law enforcement officer that made the claim that in his experience there are some officers who liked guns and some who disposed them. The officers that disposed find did the requisite minimal training got certified and never thought about the gun again, basically hoped they never had to draw their weapon.

Other officers that liked guns, trained often, more than necessary, kept their skills sharp. Now contrary to what you might think, the people MORE likely to be involved in a bad shooting were the officers that DIDN’T like guns and tried to avoid them, and so when the situation escalated they would panic.

I personally have trained multiple martial arts for almost 30+ years, have trained combat sports for 15+ years and have NEVER been in a fight, never raised my hand to hit anyone outside of consensual sparring. Your thinking is just wrong here.

weenieandthebutt · 2024-11-17T14:59:45+00:00

Being a restrained tough guy capable of violence is NOT the same thing as being a narcissistic, psychopathic, machevalian asshole.

Typical bluepillers who create this false dicthomy.

fredwester · 2024-11-17T15:06:31+00:00

I'm not a fan of RP because I think autistically analysing attraction is fruitless, but this is one area where I think they've hit the nail on the head.

It's not about aggression or psychopathy - Jake Paul is unanimously viewed as a clown btw - it's about being willing to stand up for yourself. Whether that means verbally or physically.

I personally think that a lot of the problems young men have these days stems from the fact that they're too inhibited, and too anxious. You could walk up to the average zoomer sitting in a restaurant, put your face in his soup and blow, and he'd do nothing bar maybe have a stuttering fit.

I'd encourage you to ask yourself this: you take the meek and mild path, yes? Okay, so how is your love life faring for it? Are you satisfied? Are you in a healthy relationship that has mutual respect? Or if you are single, do you feel your dating options are good?

Because if not, then I'd say it might be time to re-evaluate the path which you are advising others to take.

banthaaaa · 2024-11-17T15:07:32+00:00

Any nation which makes a distinction between its warriors and its philosophers will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.

fundamentally_comfy · 2024-11-17T19:29:42+00:00

"all the men that I've met who were worthy people had a tremendous capacity for aggression, but it was contained and controlled"

Thats not psychopathy

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-11-17T14:50:26+00:00

Terence Tao, Evgeny Kissin, Brandon Sanderson, JS Bach

did they get laid? the red pill isn't about being admired by nerds

Termodynamicslad · 2024-11-17T20:24:29+00:00

Psychopathy is a very specific thing. Being agressive isn't it.

Though I agree that RP does kind of worship psychopathic traits, what Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are talking about isn't psychopathy.

Your preference for guys like Terrence Tao is a preference, but in term of dating, Guys like him are close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of sex appeal, so you're not going to ever see him being mentioned in RP spaces, neither woman spaces, hell, even most spaces.

People usually put their idols as famous people. Like Historical figures, presidents, heros, artists...

And the people who have high sex appeal : actors, singers, models(obviously).

People like the guys you mentioned are examples of other areas of life, not dating and sex appeal.

valerianandthecity · 2024-11-17T21:37:08+00:00

To be fair to Joe (I'm not a fan) I don't think he was serious with that comment, and just found her getting the ick from that act funny, and was making a joke. (I remember watching that part of the podcast.)

Also, why do you use the term psychopathic synonymous with violence?

You can have a perfectly fine functioning capacity for empathy and emotion and still be highly violent. Slavery has been rampant across the globe for millennia, do you honesty think all who participated or owned slaves were psychopathic? I think that the people capable of empathy, can still be capable of blunting their empathy, triballism and rationalization.

I do however have a problem with promoting the notion that a core component of masculinity being dominance over overs. If that's what you mean by your repeated use of the term psychopathic?

I don't know if people perhaps hold the view that psychopathic men are more respectable because they think women find them more attractive and inexplicably conflate a man's attractiveness with his moral worth, but that perspective seems beyond regressive and wholly incompatible with our modern society in which intellect, creativity and cooperation are paramount

From what I've seen, red pill types chase after male approval as much as female desire. I believe that their support of training in a combat sport is as much to do with getting status from other men, far more than desirability to women.

IME when women speak about wanting a man who looks capable of protecting her, that's exactly what they mean... looks. As long as you have some hint of strength in your build/physique and body language you're good, and you don't need to take up boxing.

Key-Faithlessness-29 · 2024-11-18T02:10:12+00:00

Okay I'm not even red pill but every single one of these "fictional men" women claim to love are all capable of violence but are gentle with their ladies.

You can't find me one beloved 'fictional boyfriends' who are weak and small or cowardly.

Jinzub · 2024-11-17T16:12:28+00:00

Red pill men are psychopaths and red pill women are deluded. That's the answer to why they eulogize male psychopathy. For the men, it's nothing but defensive rationalisation of their own aggression and low impulse control. For the women, it's delusion that their violent chimp of a boyfriend really loves her deep down and that aggression is synonymous with protectiveness.

Nobody can be a red piller without having extremely low empathy.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-11-17T14:43:22+00:00

Every man you listed looks like the dictionary definition of a beta wimp.

Dertross · 2024-11-17T16:25:16+00:00

Bluepillers need to stop conflating what they want to be attractive with what is attractive.

Brandon Sanderson is not getting young fertile pussy before he was wealthy and famous. Neither is Terence Tao.

Humanity will get more of what reproduces the most. It's the Pookie's and Ray-Ray's reproducing, not Sandersons or Terence's of the world.

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-11-17T15:15:17+00:00

People should stop moralizing when we’re talking about what gets men laid

Longjumping_Bid_797 · 2024-11-17T14:56:40+00:00

eulogizing male psychopathy? what kind of word salad is that? you're telling me I "ought to stop" something when I can't even decipher what you're complaining about. not all guys are MMA fighters and only the LCD looks at athletes who participate in gladiator games as "the true men"

tired_hillbilly · 2024-11-17T17:30:16+00:00

Don't conflate "Aggression" with "Violence" and it will make a lot more sense. "Aggression" just means willingness to start conflict. Sometimes conflict is necessary, and being able to have the courage to start said conflict is a good thing. Would you want to date a guy who was too meek to tell his boss "No, I'm not working this weekend."?

As for Jordan Peterson's point; sometimes violence IS necessary. Say you're out walking with your BF. A stray dog comes running up to you snarling. Would you prefer if your BF cowered and ran off, or if he physically protected you? I just don't understand what could be bad about the ability to be violent when necessary.

Busy-Record-420 · 2024-11-17T14:34:04+00:00

"If I think of the men whom I respect the most, I think of men like Terence Tao, Evgeny Kissin, Brandon Sanderson, JS Bach etc,"

My vagina just shriveled up and removed itself from this reality. I'm not even a woman! Lmao!

KGmagic52 · 2024-11-17T14:36:48+00:00

People ought to stop telling RP men how to interpret RP. Each man takes what he needs from it. If some of it makes you feel uncomfortable just don't read it. Go tell women how to be women and see how well that goes over.

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Ok-Area-9739 · 2024-11-17T15:59:18+00:00

“but that perspective seems beyond regressive and wholly incompatible with our modern society in which intellect, creativity and cooperation are paramount. “

If you were to be a female event planner in charge of planning that boxing match, you would immediately retract that statement because he would realize that it takes incredible amount of intellect, creativity, and cooperation, not only between fighters, but between every man and woman who’s on the staff for that worldwide event that brings both men and women together to enjoy recreation.

crunch_up · 2024-11-17T16:11:03+00:00

The presupposition that today's society operates more from intelligence and creativity should be questioned and proven.

From my pov you can only say this because of the great illusion that modernity provides. You ignore what's intrinsic and instead push forth what you prefer.

envious1998 · 2024-11-17T18:45:37+00:00

Who you have respect for and who you’re attracted to are often 2 different things for women

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-11-17T18:46:42+00:00

(Sorry, this is partly a vent over my disgust with boxing following the Jake Paul match lol)

I only fast skipped the match, but I did notice something: you can literally hear women screaming "hit him!", "punch him!" in the background during the match, especially at the beginning. Which is a clear indicator how full of shit you are.

I can tell you, Jake lost a shitton of clout by pussyfooting around the ring the first two rounds and going into clinches to exhaust Mike. The fact that he barely won by points against a man twice his age lol, is just pathetic.

I'ma tell you one thing: if men didn't get clout and pussy by boxing, it would absolutely never become a pro sport. Simple as that.

serpensmercurialis · 2024-11-17T19:51:19+00:00

It's not that male psychopathy is specifically valued. It's more complicated than that.

Dominance is the trait that is over-valued. How dominance is expressed differs between different men and different cultures, and aggression is just one way of expressing it.
Why "psychopathic" traits in men are valued in the US is because the US has both a very individualistic culture and men who have a very zero-sum mindset when it comes to success (partially due to the dominance framing on everything.) If someone else is losing, then I'm winning. And if someone else is winning, then I'm losing. That's kinda what a lot of RP stuff boils down to on an emotional level for those men. A chad or a beta, a winner or a loser.
I think this is why things that have a clear winner and loser are attractive things to these men. Sports, some video games, fighting, those compilation youtube videos where someone is getting dunked on by someone else or someone is "reacting" to an idiot, political and fringe things like nationalism. You get the idea.

KikiYuyu · 2024-11-17T23:58:56+00:00

A lot of Redpill stuff seems to be about how humans are inherently sociopathic and evil and the way to win life is to be the most sociopath of all

catdog8020 · 2024-11-18T00:36:34+00:00

Of course you can call it red pill but I call it evolutionary psychology and anthropology. It’s VERY obvious that we as human male primates exhibit similar behaviors and characteristics of our ancestors the animal male ape primates. It’s not some incel theory or woman haters club, it’s evolutionary behavior seen and studied in male ape primates. They have discovered some similar behaviors in the male human primate in the areas of psychopathy and aggressiveness. Alpha male ape primates dominate and beat up the other ape male primates to get all the female apes. 🦍. If you think woman don’t like this - think again - remember in junior high when all the jock bullies got all the woman and could get away with all kinds of male aggressive behavior. Yes, you are wrong not all but most woman are attracted to these evolutionary relationship nuances. For example many white woman voted for Donald Trump lmao 🤣

Suddenfury · 2024-11-20T15:42:02+00:00

So a bunch to unpack here.
First of all, Eulogising psychopathy, beyond moronic as you say. "she lost attraction to her boyfriend after seeing him protect his face in a fight" absolutely insane woman.
A lot of women do like fighters though, it's a masculine thing to do. It's not inherently psychopathic, especially controlled environments like boxing. Taking up boxing to do more manly things makes sense, for yourself or for attracting women. So boxing is not moronic. It's a lot of fun too.
And as for your respected men. I agree that Brandon is a terrific writer, but lets just nicely say he and I have a different taste in women.
I think there is a lot of conflating psychopathy, aggressiveness, assertiveness and intolerance for bullshit. Like getting angry and telling people off for being idiots doesn't make you a psychopath. The thing with compatibility in modern society is that diverging from moderns societies expectations is attractive to a lot of women. That's the core of being a bad boy. Being a meek follower in society's structure is unattractive.

Lastly, "all the men that I've met who were worthy people had a tremendous capacity for aggression, but it was contained and controlled", lol he's such a hack. Confirmation bias anyone? And such an edgelord fantasy: "Ooooh don't get on my bad side, i have a tremendous capacity for aggression you know. Oh you did anyway, well don't do it again cause I'm clenching my fists in my pockets as we speak".

captaindestucto · 2024-11-18T09:03:07+00:00

And this is conflating the protection aspect of masculinity and an antisocial personality disorder. Why do you think women are more attracted to tall and muscular men? Perhaps that indicates those men's ability to protect them if it came to that? Our hardwiring didn't evolve in modern society.

And get a better thesaurus lol.

mashedturnip · 2024-11-17T15:08:44+00:00

The very point of red pill is psychopathy — doing what (sexually) benefits you only and fuck everyone else — including other men

Or, as they themselves put it, euphemistically, “red pill is amoral sexual strategy”

ACE_Overlord · 2024-11-17T18:37:40+00:00

Those men you say you respect: Would you marry them???

If so, would you expect them to protect you and your offspring against the psychopaths???

hotpotato128 · 2024-11-17T14:58:24+00:00

Yeah, I think redpill and blackpill are false. I only know a few women who were in relationships with psychopaths.

Title	Red-pill types ought to stop eulogising male psychopathy
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Date	November 17, 2024 2:26 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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