How to lower standards?

West_Diet_3729 · 2022-04-07T12:45:06+00:00

No I don’t think this type of men can be gaslighted into giving avg girls chance, some men literally do not see women that are not attractive worth even acknowledging their existence, like even for friendship they’ll rather be friend- zoned by a stacy than befriend an avg girl he does not find attractive.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-04-07T12:07:14+00:00

Tbh when I was helping incels, the biggest & easiest fixes I saw was just increasing their age range. Like these 33 year old virgin dudes (that are 3s - 5s) are aiming for 21-29 year olds.

When we increased age range to 29-39, we were still finding plenty of women who he was attracted enough to, while also they were more interested in him.

Notanothrshitthrow · 2022-04-07T10:18:25+00:00

1) Really reflect on your attractions. Do you really only become attracted to the cream of the crop? Have you ever been attracted to a woman who is closer to your standing?

2) Engage with women more in a platonic setting. If your primary form of engagement with women is just trying your luck with 9/10s, then you're never going to see the leaves through the trees and develop a more realistic attraction.

3) If you're wanking to porn very regularly, try to cut that down. It really does skew your perception of what you're attracted to.

4) See that "lowering your standards" is not giving up or anything, it's a result of developing a better understanding of yourself and what you have to offer, as well as what more "average" women have to offer.

BadAssPrincessAlanie · 2022-04-07T10:27:59+00:00

It isn't immoral. I would never tell someone to change who they are and "lower their standards". Time will do that in its own. If you aren't getting what you want, eventually you will change on your own. No body needs to get in the middle an intervene.

TigerXtrm · 2022-04-07T10:35:49+00:00

You don't lower your standards. You increase your own value to match your standards.

YouAskedIt · 2022-04-07T11:32:20+00:00

People with standards that are "too high" can keep them, but understand that you're probably choosing to stay single as well, because no one is lowering their standards to be with you either.

Hellsteelz · 2022-04-07T14:45:24+00:00

I lowered my standards in the previous relationship I had. Lookswise she wasn't it, but we had good chemistry (main reason I stayed) and the relationship lasted for 3,5 years.

The last two years were rocky and the feeling of "this aint it" started popping up, but I stuck around and tried super hard to make things work because 'this was my looks match' and we had good chemistry. However, my feelings started to catch up on me and I started to feel guilty, weak and got severe anxiety. It got to the point where I couldn't have sex with her anymore. I was not only affecting myself negativley, but she started to question my commitment and attraction towards her. Eventually she became unhappy while I had turned into a unhappy man way long before that. This was the breaking point for me and I had to end the relationship before we got married and had kids.

Morale of the story? I see so many posters here talk about "lower your standards", and I myself told people the same same in order to uphold the fantasy world I had with my ex. However, by lowering your standards you are also settling for something/someone you necessarily dont want to settle for, understand that. If you can live with that, then it's okay, you can stop reading here. But if its eating you from within and you dont feel great about it, dont lower them because other people told you to do so.

It's not okay if it starts fucking with your sanity and happiness. Settling on minor things is okay, but settling on things that really matter for you is not okay.

MalePsychopath · 2022-04-07T11:52:07+00:00

Time is the answer.

Leveling the Playing Field: Longer Acquaintance Predicts Reduced Assortative Mating on Attractiveness

As you spend a lot of time with people, you’ll discover many interesting things about them that can make you feel attracted to them beyond the raw stats like looks, money and status.

Over time, the average girl can become a real gem to you.

wtknight · 2022-04-07T11:52:34+00:00

If men aren’t lowering their standards enough then they shouldn’t be coming on online message boards complaining about “all women”. They should just be living their lives peacefully waiting for that right woman who does meet their standards comes along, or they should be busy working on self-improvement so that the women who they are attracted to are also attracted to them.

EstablishmentKooky50 · 2022-04-07T16:16:28+00:00

I am sure, that there are "Stacy chasers", but there is no scientific evidence to suggest that avarage men in general are unwilling to date avarage women or do not find them attractive, in fact all the evidence we have is to the contrary, avarage women do not find avarage men attractive, and women are far more likely to date up then men.

As to the "Stacy chasers". Grow up to your standards or lower them. How to lower them? Focus on qualifiers, not on disqualifiers. Focus more on personality less on looks. If desperate for sex and can't get it otherwise, pay for it.

-Giga- · 2022-04-07T11:12:46+00:00

Isn't it immoral to date someone you think is ugly or unattractive?

If it is, why do so many thousands of men keep demanding women lower their standards

Are there any concrete suggestions you would give to help these guys start to find more girls attractive?

No. I am pink pilled so I do not go around demanding men date women they find less attractive. As a rule, men mistreat women they do not find attractive. On a sliding scale, the best treatment u can assume is cold indifference.

While there techniques less attractive women can use to weasel their way in there if they so wish, it doesnt work the other way around

The main technique both ways: Women: humanize yourself in his eyes using soft skills and usefulness. Most impactful when he's in a slump

Men: humanize women in your eyes--

See. It ends there. Men would need to motivate themselves to see women as people and not a supporting character or toolkit in female form. They would have to stop seeking male validation to see beauty where they usually look over

Normal men? Maybe

Manospherians? No, go lift, be more attractive, dont be poor, and dont cock block yourself quoting any material here or from male podcasts. Be happy with Stacy-lite

YW

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-04-07T12:34:21+00:00

Any actionable suggestions

Simple: Max out your SMV. There’s probably 2% of the male population; that have ever experienced a single digit percentage of body fat. Or lifted double to triple their body weight.

Now I agree that physical attraction is a subjective. There are however universally applicable factors. That can be objectively measured. Like height. Bust size. Like physique.

By all means be realistic in your expectations. However before lowering standards; first raise your bar.

Godspeed and good luck!

Hoopy223 · 2022-04-07T16:07:23+00:00

Lmao a lot of fail in one post. Lowered standards happens all the time, hello Beer Goggles.

So every frustrated guy is only going for models? I guess every woman only wants Chad too?

Lowering standards won’t fix a poor self-image and/or problems relating to other people, employment issues, depression etc. Which is what plagues those guys if you read their message boards its lots of self-hate and fatalism.

festethefoole1 · 2022-04-07T12:04:07+00:00

This is frankly preposterous. The idea that rising singledom across the modern West is down to men trying to shoot above their league and having unattainable standards is akin to saying the grass is blue and the sky is green.

Freevoulous · 2022-04-07T13:31:48+00:00

The premise is mostly not true: the vast majority of men, regardless of their own looks, are opportunists, they just go after the easiest target (which is not related to how attractive the target is).

For an average man, its not easier or harder to get a Stacy over a Becky, except for the fact that Stacies are more rare. Its ust a matter of which one of them is more horny/drunk/lonely/vulnerable etc.

Nihi1986 · 2022-04-07T19:20:04+00:00

I think that men need to feel sexually attracted, specially when they are young...women enjoy sex too but I think they don't need it the same way or can at least focus more on the other stuff in a relationship.

Those men will, probably, focus more on personality once they become older and more mature in general, though it's not rare for an old men to still need the physical attraction to want a relationship.

Lowering standards can sometimes be good advice in extreme cases but it can also be bad advice, Imo.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-04-07T11:51:32+00:00

I think both men and women need to have realist standards when looking for a partner. Too many people focus on image alone and how this person can improve their own life.

Whereas in reality, you just want someone that can make you laugh, someone that’ll bring you home presents ‘just cause’ someone that listens to your plans and ideas and says ‘what are we doing first?’ Someone that tells you when you’ve gone to far and when your being a dick.

Everyone’s to focused on either finding a virgin unicorn or christen grey, it’s just not going to happen

Mark_Freed · 2022-04-07T12:50:10+00:00

I take me as an example. I have an active lifestyle and even while being single went 4 times to the gym and 3 times for table tennis per week. I'm not model shredded but people will see that i'm fit if they meet me in person also i take the effort to look presentable. But according to PPD i'm a 5 which i'm not against per se but when they say that a women doing only half the effort i do and isn't really fit and barely not overweight is already a 6 or 7 despite having the most normal face you can imagine and they keep telling me i'm a stacy chaser who doesn't know what average looks like then it's only natural to assume that they themselves don't know what average objectively is.

Attraction is mostly subtle and different for the sexes but there a few objective metrics like fitness and weight which are among the most important ones and also work the same for both genders for the most part.

marihikari · 2022-04-07T16:33:04+00:00

It would be immoral to date someone you find unattractive, but you don't have to lower your standards if you simply increase your dating pool. Maybe try different locations? ie if you're looking mostly within 20 mins of you maybe increase it to 45 mins-1 hr? Or whatever the max is that you'd be willing to reasonable commute.

hdksndiisn · 2022-04-07T16:58:53+00:00

I think a lot of guys are more hung up on what other men may think. If they get over what society says is hot they can probably happily find a partner. Get off Instagram and Facebook and stop watching porn is a good start.

bluestjuice · 2022-04-07T18:31:44+00:00

My feelings on this are twofold and may sound contradictory, but bear with me.

1.) I don’t think people should partner up with people that they don’t really want to be in a relationship with. If you want a sexual relationship and you don’t really feel sexual attraction to someone, it’s not very fair to them to proceed. I’m not sure how I’d measure that on a moral footing, but it doesn’t pass healthy honest relationship muster.

2.) I think part of the work adults in modern western culture need to take on is to seriously spend time reflecting on what ideas we have been enculturated with and how they match up with our own philosophical values. My experience is that most of us have unexamined beliefs that we don’t truly agree with when we stop and think, but those things require active effort and practice to reshape. Beauty ideals are definitely one of the things we get a ton of cultural messages on so I think it’s worth digging into those interfaces and not just accepting them uncritically.

hhhhhhikkmvjjhj · 2022-04-07T18:34:43+00:00

I think that by stop watching porn for a while can help in this. Perhaps also trying to watch amateur porn. This content has a bit more realistic body types that might be more achievable in real life.

Delifier · 2022-04-07T12:51:58+00:00

Its always easy to have ideas and fantasies if they go unchallenged. Some times you actually need to go out and experience what is out there, and go "Hey, this may be something i want, instead of the other thing".

missionarymechanic · 2022-04-07T17:24:13+00:00

Age, wisdom, and experience.

For me, getting the "Stacy" more than once and getting burned alive by them did wonders for being less focused on looks. And while there were personal issues as to why I chased after some toxic behavior, to repeat a cycle, it's also helped finding positive personality traits to be more of a turn-on.

The biggest thing is to write down your "list" and prioritize it. Then have a hard, honest discussion with yourself: Are you trying to find your least important traits from a pool of those who meet your highest traits? Or are you trying to find your highest traits from a pool of those who meet your lowest?

Male and female, everyone knows what the right answer should be. Not everyone wants to admit that their shopping behavior reveals that their priorities are the opposite.

It is far far easier to find an average girl hot than it is to find a toxic one to be tolerable.

FluffyNicshun · 2022-04-07T18:11:23+00:00

I don't think anyone should lower their standards. No matter what the situation. Go for who you're attracted to and if you get rejected so be it

Rather than being in a relationship with someone you don't even like. You trap yourself and run the risk of hurting the other person in the process...

TodTheRod01 · 2022-04-07T19:20:05+00:00

Are we talking helping men or women? because id say the strategies differ a bit.

Men would probably tend to need more help on the social front, getting better social skills, and dealing with people in general.

Women would tend to need more people who aren't their girlfriends telling them they are beautiful and dont need to change, as well as realising what men actually seek.

From there, yes definitely a good strong look in the mirror from a looks/beauty standpoint for both men and women, but also looking at yourself from a personality standpoint...which often times requires outside help because you won't be brutally honest with yourself enough.

realizing where you fall on the 1-10 spectrum for example, would really benefit you, in that you can then evaluate where you need to improve.

I would also say a good strong dose of reality, I know many on here don't like KS or FnF, but those shows have quite literally demonstrated how out of touch MANY women are from the standpoint of them not realising they are avg often times, and also not realising what is ACTUALLY avg in men

SouthernGrass3 · 2022-04-07T22:52:27+00:00

I think a lot of men want to date women who are at least as visually attractive as they are, but most men still have sexual desire for women that are somewhat less attractive.

Women are a lot more sexually selective with a lower libedo, so sometimes women just don’t have sufficient lust to be able to enjoy (or at least not find unpleasant) sex with men that are at the same or lower level of attractiveness, which is a huge disincentive to entering a relationship in a world where remaining single is acceptable option.

It is worth if for men to consider women less attractive than them for relationships in as long as they still have sufficient attraction for the women.

I do see this happen but much of the time men don’t approach these pairings as earnestly as they would with a better looking women, and the women picks up on this, and feels hurt or put off, which unfavorably affects the relationship.

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Siukslinis_acc · 2022-04-07T11:01:39+00:00

Give a chance to neutral girls (who are neither attractive nor ugly). Go on to one date/hangout and get to know the person better and maybe you will find that she has other attractive qualities than looks.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-04-07T11:17:14+00:00

The real question is why should you have too?

Even if your not that attractive but still take of yourself i.e. being well groomed, getting hair cut and dressing well, why should you have accept someone who makes no effort with the all of the above?

Personally I would never date someone who didn't look after themselves and who made an effort with how they look. There's really no excuse for looking like shit!

daisydaisydaisy12 · 2022-04-07T11:30:33+00:00

Date in your range.

ThisBoringLife · 2022-04-07T11:39:24+00:00

Eh, recognize what's a "preference" and what's actually important to you.

Example: Wanting a "big titty goth gf" cuts out the women who don't have the goth aesthetic, and don't have big tits (which can also be subjective, based on what you consider to be big), which is a lot of women. That's not needed.

For personality traits or anything like that, it's trial and error; being with people that fit those traits, and those that don't. Recognize what you believe helped make the relationship work, and what didn't.

MasterTeacher123 · 2022-04-07T11:46:06+00:00

It ignores the fact that it’s totally possible for ugly women to say no to men lol. I made a funny thread about this last year.

RealNiceLady · 2022-04-07T11:50:46+00:00

One's standards are naturally lowered when you have difficulty getting what you want.

Cupcakelover1985 · 2022-04-07T11:57:03+00:00

I can’t speak on why this is in other countries but the reason people say this to American men is because in America just being in decent shape is enough to put you in the above average category because most people here are overweight or obese. So if you’re looking for a woman and one of your standards is that she can’t be overweight you’ve already limited yourself significantly and will further continue to do so the more standards you have for looks. It’s similar to women who are only interested in dating men 6ft and taller that’s a limiting preference and you’re chances of finding someone and having it workout when you have that preference is a lot lower than if you didn’t have it.

The morality of dating someone you’re not attracted to is subjective. I’ve noticed though that whether or not someone thinks it’s moral or not depends on what kind of relationships they’ve had. If they’ve expert relationships with genuine desire they view one without it as demoralizing and insulting, if they have not or they’ve never had anyone like them they’re fine with it. So you just have to know who you’re dealing with.

To answer your main question though you just have to retrain your thinking.

1) Figure out what kind of people show interest in you 2) start associating lots of positive things with those kinds of people to build fondness. 3) start associating negative things/drawbacks to your original type that wasn’t reciprocating

sarkington · 2022-04-07T15:05:55+00:00

Standards start fron what you think you are compared to others

Mark_Freed · 2022-04-07T15:12:03+00:00

How to lower physical standards 1) get off social media. Often people follow models and celebrities which are 11/10 in the looks department. The pictures of ‘normal’ women you see are highly edited, with makeup, at the right angle, on their best day. Get used to what the real world is like. Helps a bunch

2) porn. The bodies of women in porn are often child like or model like. When that is what you see naked then that’s because what you ‘normal’ naked woman looks like even if you consciously know that’s not true. Just look at countries where nudity is more accepted, or ask anyone that works in healthcare- what you see as average dramatically decreases :’) and therefore overtime you become attracted to normal people, not fantasies

Hope this helps

Obvious-Rise9199 · 2022-04-07T15:41:25+00:00

From my experience...

As you get more self confident and less worry about other men judging you based upon your arm candy, your whole life just gets better. You can concentrate on how that person makes you feel. Are they cooperative and appreciative? Long run, all Stacies will start to lose their looks. If will sneak up on the ones who are not self aware and the ones who did not have to spend time on personality. The ones who do a remarkably bad job of understanding their own value. And that will cause them to be more jaded. Or think they can always do better.

gofigure62 · 2022-04-07T15:47:51+00:00

Depends on if a person CAN lower their expectations and still find value or happiness in the person despite that person not being the full package that they want.

If someone is going to seethe and grow resentful in a relationship because they think that their partner should be more physically attractive, more emotionally stable, more educated, more wealthy, more emotionally intelligent, more thoughtful, more productive, etc. Then they aren't going to benefit from lowering their standards, because lowering their standards isn't going to get them any form of happiness or contentment.

Lowering standards only works IF a person can be happy, content, love, and look forward to being with a person who is less attractive, less wealthy, less emotionally stable, less educated, less emotionally intelligent, less thoughtful, less productive, etc.

If someone is just going to be abusive or unkind because they don't actually want the person that they're dating, then they shouldn't lower their standards at all. Because they'd be more miserable with a person who they don't want, than they would be alone.

ruboyuri · 2022-04-07T20:08:52+00:00

You must kill the Chad in your heart in order to free the Chad in your mind

Equivalent-Metal-165 · 2022-04-07T20:35:48+00:00

I am already thinking that I don't want one anymore. I am just thinking that if I could have some time alone with the one I want..

Lateralanouncer · 2022-04-07T21:20:51+00:00

The difference men have when seeking a long term mate vs a cum dumpster is vast. Maybe the issue is these men are using old order thinking and are still seeking long term mates (in disneyland) in the new order deregulated sexual marketplace. Basicly 49ers don't want them.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2022-04-07T22:29:45+00:00

It's only a problem if they are delusional. If you are not delusional, and your side hobby is just chasing carrots on a stick, this is not a problem, just an uncomfortable contradiction, preference or personal prejudice. No one should care.

The problem with delusional individuals is that it's self-defeatist and counterproductive in the long run if they have intentional goals to accomplish. It is up to them to determine whether they should change or not.

SkeletonMagi · 2022-04-08T05:20:39+00:00

Fat chicks have problems getting pregnant, especially after 30. My fertility clinic will not accept a surrogate unless their BMI is 18-28% and below age 35. Women outside this range is not worth the risk and rigamarole.

No one talks about all the miscarriages that are happening every day, but there’s a day of the week at the hospital where they evacuate uteruses. Miscarriages are very traumatic emotionally and push out a successful birth even further. And increases the chance for permanent child abnormalities which will lower their quality of life.

Anyway, having lived through a miscarriage it’s now crystal clear why men intensely desire to stick their dicks in youthful, fit females. And not into old/fat chicks, and the odd too skinny chick as well.

A successful man who wants say 5 kids is just not going to get there if he marries a 30-something year old obese career woman who is high on stress and low on fertility.

Euphemia006 · 2022-04-08T07:54:49+00:00

The problem with you people on here, and both genders in general, is that none since to understand that NOTHING BAD IS A MALE ONLY OR FEMALE ONLY THING. The way your post is written is like only men go after looks because they are so shallow. Do you think that if a woman has the possibility to get the most good looking man she has ever seen in her life, she will just not go after him? Humans are humans. Personality is important but generally speaking the first thing you see on an other human is not their personality but their looks. And if we actually had to talk about it on deeper level, i believe most men (at least the one who knows are average and do not necessarily have a lot of social skills) are not picky. Men are beggars and cannot choosers, by default. Who between men and women is considered to take risk and approach the other when interested? Men. I believe men found very early their level of attractiveness. The average man who navigates through dating and get a lot of rejections, in general, and so from an early age. And you think such man would be like : "i deserve only the finest of the finest women and nothing else." While he gets rejection? Without forgetting the average men who are not confident at all in their looks and do not even dare to approach women. And women on this thread who are like " yes men are so shallow. They do not even look at average women." Obviously do not know what they are talking about. Which gender can get compliment from both genders regularly? Men? Go on r/askmen look for the thread where it is asked how often men receive compliments from women. Most answers are : months, years ago or never since they were born. How many women can say that? I am not sure a lot. How many women do even know what is like to try your best to approach someone you see outside, you found them attractive and decide to start conversation with them, to get severely destroy by all kind of behaviours and words towards you? Out of 3 women i would not be suprised if only 0.5 women knew how it feels. And you genuinely believe that men, in general go after model women? Maybe you leave in a different realm than i.

Euphemia006 · 2022-04-08T07:54:57+00:00

The problem with you people on here, and both genders in general, is that none seems to understand that NOTHING BAD IS A MALE ONLY OR FEMALE ONLY THING. The way your post is written is like only men go after looks because they are so shallow. Do you think that if a woman has the possibility to get the most good looking man she has ever seen in her life, she will just not go after him? Humans are humans. Personality is important but generally speaking the first thing you see on an other human is not their personality but their looks. And if we actually had to talk about it on deeper level, i believe most men (at least the one who knows are average and do not necessarily have a lot of social skills) are not picky. Men are beggars and cannot choosers, by default. Who between men and women is considered to take risk and approach the other when interested? Men. I believe men found very early their level of attractiveness. The average man who navigates through dating and get a lot of rejections, in general, and so from an early age. And you think such man would be like : "i deserve only the finest of the finest women and nothing else." While he gets rejection? Without forgetting the average men who are not confident at all in their looks and do not even dare to approach women. And women on this thread who are like " yes men are so shallow. They do not even look at average women." Obviously do not know what they are talking about. Which gender can get compliment from both genders regularly? Men? Go on r/askmen look for the thread where it is asked how often men receive compliments from women. Most answers are : months, years ago or never since they were born. How many women can say that? I am not sure a lot. How many women do even know what is like to try your best to approach someone you see outside, you found them attractive and decide to start conversation with them, to get severely destroy by all kind of behaviours and words towards you? Out of 3 women i would not be suprised if only 0.5 women knew how it feels. And you genuinely believe that men, in general go after model women? Maybe you leave in a different realm than i.

2022-04-08T09:33:29+00:00

It would be a short sighted approach because those unmet standards will become bigger issues as relationship conflicts arises. In the short term it will create more relationships, in the long it will inevitably make for many unhappy ones.

swedebeanz · 2022-04-08T18:45:41+00:00

women date ugly guys all the time, i’m sure guys can do it too

Khanluka · 2022-04-08T19:30:39+00:00

Here are some tips to lower standarts. Spend less time on the internet/ social media watch less tv and dont watch porn.

Just spend as much time as you can outside between other poeple and you start getting more used to average poeple.

Mark_Freed · 2022-04-09T07:40:51+00:00

It's funny you say this because I'm nearly 50 and I see so many young couples where a tall, handsome athletic man can only land an overweight/obese girlfriend. That didn't happen so much 20-25 years ago. If a gymrat has to be a gymrat to stand a chance with a couch potato, then I'd say that they already are lowering their standards.

Now juxtapose that against the overweight/obese women who will only date aforementioned tall, handsome, athletic men. If it's ok for them to shoot 'outside their league' then why not for others? Why should only one group lower their standards?

If OP is discussing average to below average people bemoaning their lack of success whilst only wanting people out of their league without doing anything to improve themselves, then both men and women guilty of that need to get real.

neetykeeno · 2022-04-09T14:42:19+00:00

Well first you need to detach your personal standards from fashionable cultural standards. A big fat butt is good looking...so is a well formed flat butt. Thats the first thing that gotta go, adherence in any way to fashion. If the standards of the age say sunkissed white surfer girls are the prize you've got to be willing to not play that game. You're going to pay a premium you can't afford if you play that game. Does this mean you have to fuck big obese women with rashes in their skin folds? No. But it does mean you need to stop downgrading girls for just not being one of this decades ideal looks. We live in a world in which currently, I kid you not, hip dips are an appearance flaw. Ever laughed at someone who bought a new car every three years so they could have a paint colour that was in fashion? Don't be that guy with women unless you have value to burn. You're going to spend all you have and still not be able to keep up.

Seriously question where your preferences are coming from. For example you may like Asian women. Cool, fine, Asians are at least a third of humanity, makes sense you find a lot of Asian women attractive. But then you don't really like that particular look of some Asian women with darker skin and chiselled looking facial features quite like you like Japanese girls with pale skin, a little fleshiness in their face and precisely the right amount of Asian eye shape not too little or too much. Why? Is it truly all biological? Some of it may be. But a lot of it is down to cultural forces working upon you that are largely due to accidents of history.

To look after yourself sometimes you need to carefully unpick yourself from your culture long enough to look after yourself first. Your culture isn't there to look after you. It is just there. You can't put yourself first until you have detatched yourself enough to see yourself as a separate entity.

Title	How to lower standards?
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