Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because various anti-male reasons.

SporkTornado · 2014-09-17T17:14:32+00:00

women are still derided as “tainted” by sex in a way that men are not;

Women are considered to be tainted by sex and men are not considered to be tainted by sex, because female sexuality is considered pure and innocent while male sexuality is considered to be dirty and predatory. Or more precisely a man is considered to have tainted a woman when he has had sex with her, because his sexuality is considered to be dirty and impure. A woman cannot taint a man, because the very act of being a man makes him tainted, he was never clean to begin with.

rogerwatersbitch · 2014-09-17T17:29:59+00:00

Is it in any way suprising that Valenti, staunch feminists that she is, is poo poo-ing something that will give men more power over something theyve never had power over before?

The hell you say.......

BlueSteelRose · 2014-09-17T17:27:43+00:00

What a load of fucking nonsense, strawmen and non-sequiturs. I'm glad this is the first and last Valenti article ever to be allowed before my retinas voluntarily.

Apemazzle · 2014-09-17T17:58:14+00:00

Ooh also I like this part:

Even the term “male birth control” reveals that the world considers contraception a decidedly feminine endeavour

Erm, isn't it you that's chosen to use the term "male birth control" throughout your article? Outside your fantasy world Jessica, it's entirely commonplace to refer to condoms - y'know, for males - as an example of "birth control", not just specifically "male birth control".

meco03211 · 2014-09-17T16:50:04+00:00

I for one am ecstatic at the news of Vasalgel. That shit sounds awesome. I have my first routine visit with a doctor in years coming this Friday and you can bet this will be something I ask about. My gf and I do not want kids.

chavelah · 2014-09-17T17:29:56+00:00

I hate it when she pretends to be stupid. She knows why men don't like condoms. She just doesn't care, because male sexual pleasure is not important to her.

ExpendableOne · 2014-09-17T18:04:40+00:00

Do you know how hard it is to get a man to wear a condom?

I pretty much had to stop reading there. If that is the basis of her argument, she's completely out of touch with this issue. Yes, a lot of men hate condoms, for good reasons. The same reasons that women hate, if not outright refuse, to wear female condoms. No matter how thin they get, condoms still cut down sensation by quite a bit, can be uncomfortable and can even make it harder to maintain an erection for some men. Women don't like that reduced sensation either and, at times, even get offended or lose their shit if you even suggest it(typically the reasoning is "why should she have sex at all if she's not going to enjoy it?!" or "she is already doing the guy a favour by sleeping with him so why should she be the one burdened by that feeling of latex and loss of sensation?!", both of which seem to be completely entitled and dismissive towards men). Different means of birth control cater to different needs. Most men don't really enjoy the condoms but that doesn't mean that they won't use other methods when they become available to them. More options for men is a good thing.

nigglereddit · 2014-09-17T16:51:20+00:00

I’m just not sure whether a man who refuses to roll a latex sheath over his penis is going to put his legs in the stirrups and let a doctor pierce his scrotum.

The whole point of vasalgel is that if you get it, you don't have to use the condom.

So yes, men who won't wear condoms will get vasalgel. Obviously.

scamp41 · 2014-09-17T18:12:35+00:00

This woman very clearly has no idea what she is talking about in regards to men. "Men don't wear condoms for reason X. So in my opinion they will not want this procedure for reason Y." Stick with what you know, lady.

foxyramirez · 2014-09-17T18:17:12+00:00

Of course she's throwing a fit; if this takes off well, women will lose the capacity to enslave men with their womb for 18 years at a time. All of a sudden, women will have to take responsibility for their deceitful actions.

superstevelive · 2014-09-17T16:27:43+00:00

I guess her new direction is to prove how little she knows about men. You could have asked any dummy at her office and they could have told her why we don't like condoms. What a lazy useless thing she is.

SLTSTL · 2014-09-17T17:32:36+00:00

Early conversations indicated a price of 10's of dollars, lately I've seen verbiage of "the price of a HD TV", not sure what that means. But if its a $1,000 procedure vs a $20 procedure, that could change it quite a bit. For $20 its analogous to getting a simple vaccine against pregnancy. if its over $500, then it becomes a major decision.

Lipophobicity · 2014-09-17T20:20:33+00:00

9 days ago, she wrote this article titled:

"Bravo for Wendy Davis, but women's abortions are none of your business"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/wendy-davis-abortion-reveal-pregnancies-ended

What is self awareness?

Edit: Oh and the article starts:

"Do you know how hard it is to get a man to wear a condom?"

I could have happily gone through my day not knowing Jessica Valenti has been fucked raw at least most of the time, but there it is

Tmomp · 2014-09-17T23:28:25+00:00

Do you know how hard it is to get a man to wear a condom? It’s so difficult that the Gates Foundation launched a contest last year for people to create a “next-generation” condom to increase pleasure in the hopes that men would actually use it. Planned Parenthood even provides people with a script of thing to say when your partner refuses to wear one.

If a man and a woman have sex without a condom they both didn't use one, not just the man.

Is she insinuating a problem with making a condom more pleasurable?

And what does she mean by "actually?" I've never met an adult man who doesn't wear a condom regularly. If she knows heterosexual couples that don't use condoms regularly, that means she knows equal numbers of men and women who choose not to use them.

Even the term “male birth control” reveals that the world considers contraception a decidedly feminine endeavor

She just spent paragraphs trying to put all the responsibility for condoms on men. If you want to have it both ways, at least try not to do it in the same article.

A man who wrote with such a disparaging attitude toward women would be called a misogynist or just close-minded.

I don't see any value in this article or promoting this person's view. I wish I hadn't contributed a page view. Can we link to a screenshot or copy the text next time?

Stalgrim · 2014-09-17T19:54:18+00:00

Maybe we should form two lines and high five each each other for like half an hour? Because this Vaselgel or whatever it may be called is a freaking breakthrough. Anyone know the degree to which it's effective? Is it 99% or 99.99% or what?

Anyway it's amazing and no more either using a condom or expectation to believe a woman who says "I take the pill".

Oh and by the way this article has less to do with the treatment and more to do with Jessica Vile-enti having a chance to paint men as sexually irresponsible, petulant children and we all know she wouldn't want to miss a chance at that.

2014-09-17T20:16:24+00:00

She wants to diss the concept of male birth control because the current situation gives true control - and thus the power - to women.

You better believe my son will get this when he gets old enough to get a girl pregnant. Just like my daughter who is in college has implanon.

AtomicBLB · 2014-09-17T17:57:46+00:00

Yeah, because men won't deal with a minimal amount of pain to avoid having accidental children. I'm not a serial hook up guy but even I think this is a wonderful idea. I actually like children too. However, I don't want to have one accidentally anymore than someone who absolutely hates children. That's a serious investment of both time and money along with the need to suspend some of my own goals to properly care for said child.

Endless_Summer · 2014-09-17T22:17:14+00:00

Oh my fucking God, I lost it at the first sentence.

Does she have any fucking idea how hard it is to get a woman to take goddamn BC consistently and properly? Jesus fucking Christ.

sillymod · 2014-09-17T20:19:52+00:00

In my own limited experience, it has been women who have been against condom usage. I don't think any gender likes the way it feels.

sweetjingle · 2014-09-17T23:12:40+00:00

Who better to tell everyone what man want than a feminist?

nobody2000 · 2014-09-18T00:54:08+00:00

How hard is it to get a male to wear a condom?

I dunno. Most of my girlfriends suggested not wearing a condom on multiple occasions because they said it felt better without....

flamehorn · 2014-09-17T19:12:00+00:00

Don't give the guardian any traffic. It's full of articles like this and we shouldn't give them the ad revenue

Doctor_Loggins · 2014-09-17T19:40:16+00:00

Even the term “male birth control” reveals that the world considers contraception a decidedly feminine endeavor

Gosh. That's so weird! It's only that, you know, the female body is the one in which the egg is produced, fertilized, and gestated. Probably sexism. Or patriarchy. Or something.

Dimitrisan · 2014-09-17T21:41:14+00:00

we’re the ones who get pregnant and, overwhelmingly, have to deal with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. Abortion is all on us, and parenting often is, too.

That line is quite infuriating. Men have no say when it comes to an unwanted pregnancy. Women have complete control over an unwanted pregnancy and can force the consequences on the man, whereas women have the option of abortion if desired.

_-_Dan_-_ · 2014-09-17T22:00:25+00:00

Waow, listening to a 3rd wave feminist talking about male contraception is like listening to sex advice from the pope.

Perhaps a few questions to the target audience would be in order. I'd go for it, not because I don't want to use condoms, but because accidents (and -- unfortunately -- sabotage) do happen.

And just image a world where that procedure becomes standard -- no more "accidents". Having children becomes a deliberate decision -- needing the agreement of men and women.

poloppoyop · 2014-09-17T23:04:56+00:00

I’m just not sure whether a man who refuses to roll a latex sheath over his penis is going to put his legs in the stirrups and let a doctor pierce his scrotum.

1 time injection good for 10 year of not having a chance of a "woops I forgot to take my pills, you're on for 18 tears of child support sucker" vs having to use something everytime and which diminish the pleasure? I'm betting on more men going to get injected than women getting IUD.

lalicat · 2014-09-17T23:41:45+00:00

Can you imagine, the power of conception in our hands? 2017 is going to be the year the tide turns! No more cuckoldry ... What will the females do when they can't pin it on us? Wow can you imagine a world so free where you can just bring a lab report showing you sterile and destroy a woman's attempt to make you a cash cow for her alpha lover.

This can't cum fast enough, pardon the reference.

IONCEWASBANNED · 2014-09-18T00:21:25+00:00

Actually, she says she's not holding her breath for it because men will have to have it injected into their nutsack, and I can't say I blame her. I think I'd rather us a condom or, in the case of a relationship, let them choose what method works best for them.

Apemazzle · 2014-09-17T19:17:59+00:00

I thought this stuff was years and years and years away.

Are you suggesting I can get it NOW?

jpflathead · 2014-09-17T21:17:19+00:00

Vasalgel will be good to keep us from becoming parents, but sadly, unless our cocks are tattooed with "Vasalgel inside" we're still going to have to wear condoms when dating, ...

MrMagwitch · 2014-09-17T21:33:27+00:00

Melfuaru · 2014-09-17T23:26:59+00:00

Am I the only one that's a big fan of spermicidal lube and pulling out? No issues here.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2014-09-17T23:52:56+00:00

So you’ll have to excuse my trepidation when I’m told that the next revolution in male birth control doesn’t involve something guys have to wear, but something they’ll happily inject ... and not in their arms.

Apparently Jessica Valenti understands neither time preference in behavior nor the nature of forming or breaking habits.

showed that there was a 4% decline in condom utilization between 2006 and 2010

Data for 2006–2010 were collected through in-person interviews with 22,682 women and men aged 15–44 years in the household population of the United States. Interviews were conducted by female interviewers in the homes of sampled persons. This report is based primarily on the sample of 12,279 women interviewed in 2006–2010; some tables are supplemented with the sample of 10,847 women interviewed in 1995

So they're comparing interviews with men and women now to just women before?

How...is that remotely useful.

whereas fewer women report that their partners are using condoms as their current, most effective contraceptive method

Oh so the most effective one used is less often condoms than before.

Jessica simply has not read this properly, or is reporting its findings dishonestly:

Condom usage, as the most effective contraceptive method currently being used , declined from 20% to 16% between 1995 and 2006–2010

Emphasis theirs.

Afterall

The decline in condom usage was offset by a 75% increase in the use of other hormonal methods (from 4.3% to 7.2%) and a sevenfold increase in the use of the IUD (0.8% to 5.6%). The increased availability and use of other hormonal methods and the IUD have implications for reducing nonmarital and unplanned pregnancies

Condom use, as the most effective method of contraception, decreased by almost one-half among women aged 15–19 years—from 36% of teenagers in 1995 to 20% of teenagers in 2006–2010. The use of other hormonal methods increased in all age groups, but was greater among women under age 30 years. The increase in IUD usage occurred mainly among women aged 25–39 years.

So not only did her teenage statistic apply to "most effective...", but it didn't decline by 50%. 36% to 20% is a 16 percentage point drop which is 44.4%. "Almost" adds some wiggle room to overplay or downplay reality.

Shironekosama404 · 2014-09-18T03:15:52+00:00

Oh god. Jessica Valenti. This is going to be a painful read.

You know for an article supposedly talking about male birth control she spends very little time talking about men and birth control

MS2point0 · 2014-09-18T04:02:14+00:00

If I don't use a condom, I'm a Neanderthal... I wonder if she would say that if studies were to show darker skinned races having less condom usage.

Revoran · 2014-09-18T04:47:34+00:00

This is an article where Valenti talks a lot but says very little.

This basically boils down to "men are bad, who cares about them, let's make this about women."

TrueRamo · 2014-09-18T05:11:30+00:00

To comment directly about her argument that men who don't like wearing condoms won't want a needle piercing their scrotum: fuck this psycho. I don't enjoy wearing condoms. I do it because I don't know where YOU have been. I have had a vasectomy, and still wear condoms. I will do WHATEVER it takes to protect myself. This crazy's argument is dumb. If i have a relationship, and I trust her, then I would be able to NOT wear a condom. That is the advantage of it. More pleasure. It isn't as if i haven't had something sharp around my genitals before. I was circumcised without my permission. What would two injections be compared to skin on skin sexual contact? This chick needs to go away. /rant

Mythandros · 2014-09-18T18:22:58+00:00

She's a decidedly feminist hack and her backwards views on her own gender show as much. No more attention need be paid to a loser like this.

awesomesalsa · 2014-09-17T20:07:35+00:00

The Guardian doesnt even pretend to be a serious publication anymore

lldpell · 2014-09-17T20:17:55+00:00

The part of this birth control issue that I never hear is the benefits that will passed down to our sons and daughters. Think back 10-15-20 years, how many of us have either our selves or our friends end up with an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy? I know 10+ guys, that had this been an option could be living completely different lives right now.

As soon as my son is old enough I will be taking him to get his shot. I will teach him the rights and wrongs of safer sex, but I will feel better knowing he has some protection in place to help with accidents.

rlaptop7 · 2014-09-17T22:52:52+00:00

Who is this Valenti person and why should I care what she trolls?

thesilentchief · 2014-09-18T00:13:14+00:00

There's literally no reason to oppose this. Like, what is there to even be angry at? Yet, here we are.

Danny_Plainview · 2014-09-18T01:16:59+00:00

A letter to Jessica Valenti by Paul Elam, founder and publisher of A Voice for Men.

pevans05 · 2014-09-18T07:10:39+00:00

Don & Peggy know best

modern_rabbit · 2014-09-18T21:50:46+00:00

Male here, reporting in: barring some freakish, yet-to-be-discovered complications, I am DEFINITELY going to use Vasalgel.

CMOS222 · 2014-09-19T00:50:14+00:00

This article is so stupid it's incomprehensible. She confuses getting an injection in the penis with getting an injection in the vas deferens.

And the article HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER, or women's issues. It's about men having the technology to control whether or not they want to conceive a child. Their choice, their bodies. Regardless of age.

Reading this article is like watching somebody's untrained puppy have diarrhea over a new carpet.

datahedon · 2014-09-19T15:52:42+00:00

We already know that roughly half of U.S. men are interested in using new male contraceptives. See the FAQ from Male Contraception Initiative here: http://www.malecontraceptive.org/#!faq/cq8d

dungone · 2014-09-17T19:57:44+00:00

“Not all men will use it, but not all women use birth control either,” she told me on Monday. “The point is to have something for everybody - right now men don’t have a lot of options.” But the options men do have, they’re not necessarily using.

"But why male models?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvO1_vYk7Aw Yet another example of a feminist who can't string 2 sentences together without contradicting herself.

I don't know what kind of men Valenti has to beg to get in her pants, but the way it works is that the men who have something to lose will be the ones getting Vasagel. That's really all that matters. If that doesn't benefit women like Valenti in some way, too bad.

Title	Jessica Valenti thinks no one will use Vasalgel, because various anti-male reasons.
Author	Apemazzle
Upvotes	203
Comments	154
Date	September 17, 2014 3:45 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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