The difficulty increase from seducing 8/10's to 10/10's is unreal. How do y'all do it?

TripleDigitNomad · 2024-07-24T14:26:30+00:00

Money or status. Most 9s and up get so much attention that it's practically impossible to get a chance with them unless you can compete with the dudes treating them to expensive/exclusive dinners, gifts, and experiences. Their egos are also so high that one little thing wrong about you will turn them off instantly.

That or get lucky and find one who was a late bloomer and as such, is down to earth. You'll usually find those in daygame or at social events.

PrinceDestin · 2024-07-24T14:16:05+00:00

Well because you consider them 10/10

relytreborn · 2024-07-24T15:59:14+00:00

The inner game reprogramming required when interacting with highly attractive individuals is transformative. Society often views these people as trophies or achievements, making it crucial to maintain a radical, sometimes contradictory frame of mind. For 10s you must communicate an almost extreme non-neediness. I remember Tyler from RSD talk about it in depth - he uses the analogy of being the sun, shining no matter what. For many men, the ability to walk away from an extremely attractive person for any reason represents the pinnacle of their journey with dating and relationships.

This concept is often debated in the seduction community, particularly by those with a more materialistic approach, but here it is anyway; The key factor in engaging with highly attractive individuals is largely energetic and subtle, relying almost entirely on non-verbal communication. It stems from a deep-seated knowing, a subconscious emanation rather than conscious thought. It is truly about how you carry yourself, not just on a surface level but in regards to EVERYTHING.

Status, money, fame to some extent help but what is truly required is a charisma in the truest sense. I mean the word how the Greeks and early Christians used it, not how it's used today.

Edit: I didn't expect this to receive attention. I'd like to add a caveat that I believe hook ups and promiscuous meaningless sex is actually a NET LOSS for men. Meaning is more important and a worthy aspiration.

Feeling-Aspect916 · 2024-07-24T14:12:33+00:00

In my experience they’re easier than any other girl when they’re hooked, but they’re also fickle and get bored/turned off easily.

DrinksAreOnTheHouse · 2024-07-24T20:54:51+00:00

My gf is a 9, super hot, witty, worldly, desired. Guys hitting on everyday her is the norm. She doesn’t actually know any different. It’s like Spam in her inbox. 9/10s tend to be very loyal because their default is turning guys down. That’s a big unlock in your own mind-state and how to set yourself apart.

With 9/10s - theyve seen it all. Don’t approach it with seduction or “game” mindset. They will sniff it out and you’ll be toast. Slow is fast. Be assertive, opinionated, & genuine. Plan activity oriented dates that are a bit off beat where you can get to know them. Low pressure and humor. Again, slow is fast. These girls rarely get down fast so dont think about getting laid. They want to feel safe emotionally, physically, financially. They have no choice to move slowly because they need to emotionally and mentally choose you back.

TheSnake1313 · 2024-07-24T17:11:19+00:00

I'm currently on my journey trying to get from 2/10's to 3/10's

whattodo1216 · 2024-07-24T15:14:37+00:00

When I was single I’d just treat them like normal human beings, nothing special, and just was myself, and that seemed to work.

Conscious_Cod_90 · 2024-07-24T16:12:36+00:00

Also you better be attractive

norwegiandoggo · 2024-07-24T15:13:44+00:00

You seem to think the only 10s are the stuck up dolls sitting by a bar and waiting for guys to buy them drinks.

These are not the only 10s. These are the gold diggers / party chicks / narcissists / actresses / models paid by the nightclub to be there to make it seem exclusive. They enjoy that attention and they enjoy rejecting guys because it feeds their ego.

There are just as many 10s that work at the gas station or work at a library. Or just in general, they don't do anything special to get attention. They don't dress up specially and they're lax with makeup. They don't do much with their hair. Once you get them in the shower - it might be the first time you realize they're actually a 10. These are the 10s you want.

Look for the undercover 10s that aren't showing off their beauty.

Kingzumar · 2024-07-24T18:45:34+00:00

Game is not enough anymore you need status and money, or Game with freaking 0 mistakes, the limit for mistake really is at 0 with models for example

Prestigious_Water336 · 2024-07-24T14:03:44+00:00

They are indeed tougher. When a woman knows she's hot she can be picky and choosy. And rightfully so. There's more push pull and more of a shit test with these women. Stick with it. They do this to weed guys out. If she says she has a boyfriend ask "what's his name?" if she stutters or stumbles you know she's lying. 10's generally take longer and are gamier then the rest of the heard. Your skills should be maxed out before attempting to pull a 10.

TeeRKee · 2024-07-24T15:53:15+00:00

We don't. Why bother? The waste of time and resources for and effort isn't worth it. Some 8/10 can improve and turn into 10/10, wich is better investment.

SnooHesitations4922 · 2024-07-24T14:44:46+00:00

Buckle up, uncle snoo got a long lesson for u...

Once you understand how to leverage the times we live in, the hotter the girl, the EASIER she is to seduce.

Think about how many options a 10 has with the invention of the smart phone. Sounds grim.

Think again about how many of those "options" are just tools for attention and resources and how many she actually finds arousing. Sounds a lot better.

Women are attracted to men that they consider better than them.

You cannot physically look better than 10.

What you can do is exercise sexual discipline.

The concept is literal. The very fine women want men that are literally better than them (morally/ethically).

Go anywhere that single people meet each other and pay attention to the men.

99% of the time the man will get internally "giddy" and shift his tone and behaviors in the face of beauty compared to his default state. You will notice this behavior coming from a grown man is weird to YOU, so imagine how weird it is to them. This is what makes even the highest quality woman scare like a deer in headlights.

The more indifferent you are to beauty, the more attractive you are, and the best thing about this is that the effect actually scales up with how hot the girl is.

5s and 6s are not humble and very entitled because they still get dick from the ballers on i.g., just no commitment...so they expect maximum effort being put into trying to win them over.

7s and 8s are in the middle, seems like u know how to manage them.

9s and 10s are actually the least entitled and most humble of them all because they know they were born with every advantage and want to feel like certain things weren't just handed to them on a silver platter...they want to be the ones exerting the effort. With them you want to lower your ki and slow everything down. Stoicism is more effective the hotter the girl is because she perceives that as u keeping your lust in check and holds you as better than her.

2024-07-24T15:44:21+00:00

There needs to be mutual chemistry, and then you suggest to them that going out with you will be a compelling adventure. They’re girls like the rest, and have the same diversity of dreams. The only difference is that they have easier access to what they want. But the things beauty can easily get someone don’t really satisfy for long. So offer something that money can’t buy.

Ares762 · 2024-07-24T18:43:30+00:00

Stop categorizing people in percentages and watch your quality of life increase.

What is a 8/10? Are her attributes stricty physical or also how she carries herself in a social setting? I never understood the logic behind this and never liver my social life acording. I never hooked up with someone whom I wasn’t attracted to. Just go and talk to people. If you get rejected, it most definitely wasn’t because you dont fit in this “8/10, 5/10” social bracket you rely on so much.

You guys are overthinking this.

MessyCarpenter · 2024-07-24T15:38:42+00:00

It’s probably all in your head.

jagen-x · 2024-07-24T18:44:26+00:00

Pretend there is no difference

MrAnonPoster · 2024-07-24T14:12:23+00:00

Nonsense. 8-10 are rarely approached. That's because men know three things very well:

* the level of his looks when his shirt comes off

* the balance of his bank account

* how boring he thinks his life is vs what he thinks the 8-10 is used to

Source: live in a city crawling with 8-10. dated a bunch. they are much easier to pick up than average or below average women.

NewOCLibraryReddit · 2024-07-24T16:25:06+00:00

Almost sure you've never gamed a 10/10, I doubt even an 8/10.

WhySoManyRedditAccs · 2024-07-24T16:31:04+00:00

If you act like you’re the 10 and she’s a 6 then she’ll feel it and wonder why you aren’t easy to get like all the other guys. Basically the tested results and experience mystery did ages ago is still true as the places he tested them had quite of a lot girls with inflated egos. Which is why dhv works and also negs which shouldnt be interpreted as putting them down or whatever but just playful flirting and disqualifying them or yourself

nordik1 · 2024-07-24T21:15:34+00:00

So much bad advice in this thread that is clearly based on theory rather than guys actually interacting with this level of woman

u/TripleDigitNomad nailed it when he said status. That's literally it..your seduction skills or stoic frame or whatever aren't going to do anything 9 times out of 10 if you don't have status to go with it because of the access they have to other powerful men

This is speaking of a true 10, which is international model-level beauty, not the cute chick at the gas station like many guys are saying here

edit: u/DrinksAreOnTheHouse also made a good post with the "slow is fast" approach with 9s and being less gamey. Spot on

FeelingRisk89 · 2024-07-24T14:37:24+00:00

One man's 10 is another man's 7.

Someone out there truly is tired of fuck1ng her. Even though you think she's a 10.

This someone is probably an unemployed jailbird with a sub $1000 beater that he drives her around in to get to the cheapest, seediest bars where she pays for his drinks. And begs him to cum inside of her but he refuses to do it raw.

Your own mind is your greatest enemy.

There are no 10s.

cipox95 · 2024-07-24T16:18:00+00:00

Stop using NUMBERS to value an individual to start, idk why u guys think this Is a good idea, It Is fucking terrible

yopo2469 · 2024-07-24T16:23:19+00:00

You need to have power and its not worth it. They tend to suck in terms of personality and the amount of hard work. Never forget 3x7 is always better than 1x10

zebekias · 2024-07-24T18:12:09+00:00

In short, your value should be > her value.

Brain dump:

you are a successful man
you are an attractive man, well groomed, well dressed, well spoken, etc
you have your life in order
your life is interesting, you are well traveled, stable, etc
you already have options with attractive women

All women will be attracted to a high valued man. Of course 11s that are beautiful inside and out are in high demand, so a lot of it is luck of the draw and a numbers game. You have to take many shots to eventually score. The difficult part is becoming a high valued man, no amount of "game" will do that for you. Well maybe you can get lucky, but ultimately you have to bring high value to the table as well.

Keep working the women that respond to you now, and improve yourself so you are ready for the higher valued women.

dreamylanterns · 2024-07-25T01:01:52+00:00

Because I don’t rate women on scales. If I’m attracted then I’m attracted, and they’re normal humans. Connecting with humans isn’t hard lol

By using ratings and seeing certain women as 10/10, you’re putting them on a pedestal. Understand that every human is a human and has flaws. Everyone shits, pees, cries, etc.

Start by treating them as equals and not some fantasy you have in your head.

the_redditrabbithole · 2024-07-30T03:41:21+00:00

It helps if you're also really good looking. But confidence is a must. The one thing they don't know how to deal with is a guy who they find reasonably attractive who just isn't all that into them. Granted if you fake that, it'll eventually show. But once you've been around enough women like that you don't have to fake it anymore, you realize in most cases there is very little to respect there and they're honestly just really annoying. Of course, that's when they're the most receptive to you. Women.

KarmicPlaneswalker · 2024-07-24T15:06:44+00:00

That's the neat part, you don't!

JonDaddy82 · 2024-07-24T15:28:59+00:00

Do you have a nice boat? If not that’s the way. Bitches love boats.

NPC1990 · 2024-07-24T18:23:56+00:00

Getting a 9 or 10 is easy but keeping them is nearly impossible

maxzer_0 · 2024-07-24T19:08:13+00:00

I dated a 10 for a few months. I had 3 other girls and I didn't know what to expect. I tried not to take things too seriously and go with the flow. Somehow she got hooked. Flew over 1,000 mi to visit me and so did I. Then I put a little extra pressure and lost her, as I couldn't keep it down.

Seducing is just the first step, it's not impossible at all if you're decent looking and are an interesting person. The hard part is to hold her close.

TLDR getting thru the door is relatively easy. The hardest part is to stay in.

thawizardmerlin · 2024-07-24T21:12:13+00:00

Most 10s are not actually 10s when you take psyche, drive, manners etc. into account. If you don’t punt them onto pedestals and let them chase you some will be receptive. Others you need the permanent holidays and fancy dinners/ bars.

todwardscizzorhands · 2024-07-24T21:40:02+00:00

... Just continue to not morally agree with cheating. It's an awful thing to be a part of. Don't do it. Treat others the way u want to be treated

MajesticFerret36 · 2024-07-24T23:08:32+00:00

Tendom is a bit of a weird concept. Are we applying to just looks or the whole package?

It also depends on how high your criteria is for 10s even just talking looks, but if you're using the term scrutively, they are literal unicorns and many will never date one as they are simply too rare.

If we are just applying to looks, I would honestly say they are not more difficult than 8's, they are just more scarce which lowers your probability of nabbing one.

If you're a little bit more flexible on what you consider a 10, a lot of women age out of being a 10 very rapidly, especially lower socioeconomic but beautiful women who weren't raised right.

If a 10 is well raised and takes care of herself (a wholistic 10), you pretty much won't be able to date them unless you are close to a 10 yourself.

The only real advice in better bagging 10s is to put yourself in environments where they are more present. Runway shows, anything involving modeling, ritsy bars tend to have very hot bar tenders and if you ask the right kind of people they sometimes have an industry night, etc. If you have the skill to pull an 8, you have the skill to pull a 10, it's mostly just logistics as there simply aren't enough of them, a lot are taken, and they can get a big head if they are the prettiest in the room by a landslide. Put a 10 in a room full of 10s and they can get more grounded and approachable very quickly.

Most-Farm-8087 · 2024-07-24T23:47:01+00:00

This sub doesn’t know what a 10 is if they think charisma and “inner game” can get you a real 10. What do people here consider a 10? Sure you can manipulate some hot chicks who might be a 10 in appearance but is also a massive coke head. Those girls are easy. A real beautiful women with her own ambitions, a good family, who isn’t a yacht girl or escort takes social status, wealth, good game, and good looks to get.

Some super hot 23 year old club chick is not so hard to get for one night if you can fake the above

exotic-potion · 2024-07-26T01:49:13+00:00

Become a stock trader. Buy a new corvette or a used Porsche. Offer to buy them a new purse to hang. Or grow your ***** to gigantic size (dont expect to be anything but a toy)

Thats what it takes these days.

FIVE_6_MAFIA · 2024-07-24T16:21:59+00:00

Don't put them on a pedestal. Trust me, once you spend any considerable amount of time around her, you'll find things that will make her seem like a 7 or 8.

Longjumping_Act9758 · 2024-07-24T14:16:22+00:00

10/10 witty???

Fat girls are more accustomed to humour since they have to compensate their fatness. 10's barely work on their social and conversation skills because most people do everything to please them.

unknown-one · 2024-07-24T16:04:20+00:00

how do you know who is is 8 and who 10?

curryshotta · 2024-07-24T19:33:52+00:00

10/10's? How old are you?

McPigg · 2024-07-24T19:54:56+00:00

What even is really the difference betwern 8 and 10, i feel like there are ugly, average and hot girls which all act and reactt slightly different, but between very hot (8) and super hot girls (10) ...puh i didnt notice any difference. I wouldnt even know how to differentiate them at that level, isnt someones 8 another ones 10 and vice versa? Anyways, the really pretty girls are both more friendly if you get in good, but more difficult to actually get to come out to a meeting then the average ones, in my experience.

jjboy91 · 2024-07-24T21:10:20+00:00

What is a 10 lmao

TheNattyJew · 2024-07-24T23:57:27+00:00

The way to pull at 10/10 is to be a 10/10 yourself

Awsumguy68 · 2024-07-25T01:54:04+00:00

Stop putting them on a pedestal.

dobbs1997 · 2024-07-25T02:41:35+00:00

Most guys have issues with this because they think the 10/10’s are different from the 8/10’s or the 6/10’s…dudes pedestal beauty way too much and that’s the actual problem..they treat the 6 different than the 10…

djdante · 2024-07-25T03:34:49+00:00

One thing I’ll note from coaching for fifteen years.

Guys are happy to tease and banter with women up to a certain attractiveness. Playful common push/pull of atttaction.

But when women get perceived past that level, most guys shut off the fun completely, not more teasing, not more push pull. The attraction evaporates with it.

I watch this happen all the time. Once they push themselves to start giving the hot women a bit of sh!t again, the women are just as flirty as less attractive counterparts.

GymBroTRT · 2024-07-25T10:52:17+00:00

The difficulty with very good looking women is the chemical reactions that go off in your body. You see a hot woman, you want her to think of you as cool and impress her, so the adrenaline kicks in, the neediness become a biochemical fact, the neediness becomes a biochemical addiction. By then, it’s too late, as you end up behaving as you are below her.

One way to deal with this is to find a way to interact with lots of good looking women in a total non-sexual manner. The more you think about them sexually, the more your brain will be telling you “you have to impress them, act like you are cool, don’t say that dorky thing, brag that you have travelled to Europe too, lie that you went to that cool restaurant they just mentioned”, etc etc.

The more you can interact with very beautiful women and just not have a sexual agenda or try to impress or hit on them the more you will lower your adrenaline response to being in their presence. Now this is not a long term strategy but just for getting used to such women. Maybe hang out in night clubs, trendy lounges, parties with lots of models. Do whatever you have to do to get into them.

But here is the other secret to all of this. It is extremely important that you like yourself as you are and don’t reject any part of you or any aspect of your personality. Many guys think they have to be perfect in order to get women, but the reality is women date scumbags all the time. There are many who even want to fuck and marry death row inmates. Objectively really terrible men. You know what is the difference between these guys and you, who is arguably nice and clean and put together? They don’t feel bad about any aspect of their personality. They don’t feel bad about being a criminal or not being perfect. This gives men tremendous power.

When it comes to very good looking women, it can feel like a spotlight is put on you and you believe she is putting you under the microscope and examining every single flaw that you might have. But that’s only because you see them as flawless, which they never are of course. Many of them are actually truly fucked up people.

The other approach that works for me is to actually not try to get them at all. As a matter of fact, I steal their frame/game, which is some variation of “I’m so hot, men are always treating me like a piece of meat, eww, you need to prove you are worthy for me to even talk to you.” Which is a really good frame. So it’s not about trying to impress her, push pull, escalate and all this BS. You have to treat it like “okay, you got the looks, but what else? Cause that’s not enough for me to be interested in you”.

Some ways in which you also flip the frame is accusing them of hitting on you. For example if you make eye contact with a woman, go up to her and say “hey, I saw you noticing me. I have to say, you have really good taste in men”. Or after talking for a bit, ask her something like “so what is your story? What brings you here…other than trying to pick up unsuspecting guys (pointing at yourself)”. They will usually lose it at this point because technically you are the one to come up to them.

The idea is really simple. Very pretty women but also most good looking women are super used to men either groveling to them and worshipping the ground they walk on OR trying to desperately impress them and GET them. An analogy you can use here is that men act like a starving actor and she is auditioning him for a role in her film. You are replaceable and she will put you through the paces to see what you are made out of and if you happened to have all the attributes she has been dreaming of some she was a little girl, you may eventually get a chance. But usually you don’t.

The way to be different is to let go of this idea that you want to get them, have sex, date them, etc. Let go of it, because this will bring on the neediness (this applies to dealing with any kind of woman to begin with). And then just toy with them. Just have fun, but sub communicate that you are the one auditioning them for a part time role in your movie, in which you are the leading man. This frame might take a bit to establish and there might be a battle of the wits, which you cannot afford to lose. You win it by not caring if you lose her. But once you establish it, the woman becomes exactly like those guys who are either worshipping the ground she walks on OR are desperately trying to impress her by how cool they are.

From there it’s easy, she’s the one chasing. Just remember to never put yourself in the position of wanting something from her (to go home with you, to get her number, to repeat this night). Instead, always treat it as “okay, this is over and that’s it, I’m moving on”. For example, if you are not at a nightlife venue and don’t think going home is a possibility, you can say “okay, I gotta run, but you can find me on Insta and get in touch”. At this point she will probably ask that you exchange numbers. Or if you are at a nightlife venue, say “alright I’m outta here, gonna grab a nightcap at my place, you are welcome to join me if you want”. You are not saying “you should come over” or any of that stuff that sets the frame of YOU NEEDING HER TO DO SOMETHING.

SnowmanRandom · 2024-07-24T18:43:32+00:00

Just go to medical, law or nursing school. There you will naturally interact with them.

Direct-Law5600 · 2024-07-24T16:01:23+00:00

Expose their insecurities and nurture them

Organic_Pack1211 · 2024-07-24T18:11:28+00:00

You can go through my old posts on here and see how bad I struggled haha but I’ve come to learn that the process is the same as getting the 8s & others.

For 9/10s the main difference would be how you approach because they usually know a guy is hitting on them regardless of how the convo starts so I tend to stray away from indirect approach. From there I’d do more teasing and “qualifying” type questions so she knows I’m interested but not solely for looks. I also rely heavily on social circle game with the baddies because most (from my experience) will have their guards up.

All this is from personal experience so hopefully this helps

Cold-Dot-7308 · 2024-07-24T18:16:23+00:00

Which woman , since god figured out how to create , rejected an infinitely wealthy man?

tonyrelic · 2024-07-24T18:31:37+00:00

If I get the “ I have a boyfriend “ I respond It’s OK I’m not looking for a girlfriend .

vegancrossfiter · 2024-07-24T18:45:42+00:00

Status with either money or fame and then luck to even get the opportunity to meet her

ifonlyYRUso · 2024-07-24T19:23:03+00:00

What’s a 10 never seen one…

2024-07-24T20:34:26+00:00

What do you consider a 10/10

the_grizzygrant · 2024-07-25T01:22:28+00:00

Depends on the “10”.

Some will have very set standards and rules that will eliminate you on paper: “he must have a lambo or better or a yacht” “must be an entrepreneur/ business owner” “must be better than the last guy who was able to take me to dubai every month”

Some will have expectations that you don’t feel comfortable: “Must be able to drop all plans to do what I want when I want”

Some might move like how players do and not ever want commitment and be able to appear and disappear whenever.

“10’s” can be the same situation as “8’s” if you think of it as far as presenting yourself and the awesome unique value add you bring and whether she’ll have second thoughts about anyone else. If you keep to this mindset, a lot can happen.

godofgainz · 2024-07-25T01:41:57+00:00

At one point, I realized that if I want to be with the greatest, then I have to be the greatest myself - Busta Rhymes

Ultimately, the path of seduction is really the same path of self improvement. Get good at interacting with high-value women and the side effect is becoming high-value yourself. They go hand in hand and when you’re ready, you’ll know.

GarlicTraditional227 · 2024-07-25T08:05:25+00:00

Your problem is that you’re trying to catch their attention. Women are women bro. The rank structure is all in your head. All you gotta do is ask me what they name is, ask em what they doin later and if you can take ‘em out, ask for they number and that’s it. If they say no then you just not they type or right now just might not be the right time.

Notice how that’s literally how you hit on any chick… well it’s as simple as that. If you attractive to them it doesn’t take that much effort honestly. If they want you they’ll make it easy on you. Point. Blank. Period.

Pyroftw3 · 2024-07-25T08:52:51+00:00

it is in your head....

The issue with 10/10 is that they are rarer to find or they in relationship.

Also 1-10 scale is extremely subjective so there is no objective 10/10.

I went on 1000 of dates and when i find a girl that i really like/find attractive and she is like 8 9 or 10(subjective) it will actually be easier for me to have something with her then from girls who are 5-6 but the girls who i was not into i will not remember them and just move on, the rejection/not working out with a 9-10 i will remember.

Also the girl can not be a 10/10 unless you get to know her more, how can she be a 10/10 if she a starfish during sex? how can she be a 10/10 if she is constantly a bitch to you and just a shitty person overall.

idontwannabhear · 2024-07-25T11:03:59+00:00

Bro feels like I read anikins diary for his turn to the dark side. Don’t fw together girls bro, you become something not good if you do that even if that chick was gonna cheat on anybody, don’t let it be with you, because you think your better

rovch · 2024-07-25T13:57:31+00:00

At that point you have to play their game. I recommend a camera with a bright light and walking around Miami girls gone wild style. I shot video for a club in Miami and you should have seen them fighting to get on camera in that golden light. I the cameraman got more ass and titties than the dj that night.

2024-07-25T14:22:26+00:00

Status and wealth is a big deal, which a select few number of men have. Truthfully speaking, if you’re a normal guy and an 8 or a 10 is into you, you should evaluate why. Not to discredit yourself but more so the reason behind it. Chances are they’re single moms, looking for marriage because they couldn’t lock down the jerks they really want, they are seeking resources, they’re looking to have kids before their biological clock runs out, etc.

However, if you’re established in your 30s and beyond, you’ll have leverage to pull 20 somethings more easily even if your status isn’t too high, but you have wealth and resources.

2024-07-25T16:01:44+00:00

More and more posts like this pop up and just fuck up any hope for dating. This generation is so brain dead

Traditional-Mix1643 · 2024-07-25T17:27:54+00:00

As said before By calling them 10/10 you’re pedestalizng them.

moderndayfez · 2024-07-25T17:34:30+00:00

I've actually had the opposite problem, and I think my theory behind it is because the eight and lower, get more attention in comparison to the 8,9,and 10. Because they're not as attractive / intimidating. Yeah and the nines and 10s still get approached but the guy is so timid he doesn't make their intentions known until she's accepted him as a friend

The 9th and 10th I have gotten with, all have something in common. Is that they tell me that they feel like I don't try to impress them. Heck I had one even asked if I rejected you what would you do about it. And I flat I told her nothing and just move on. The response definitely caught her off guard but meh

Don't get me wrong I still get rejected here and there. Hell I've even walked away from 9 and 10 because their personality sucked. Or they were just not nice people. Either way you turn off

No_Help_1751 · 2024-07-26T17:56:30+00:00

Be a 10/10

RedditFan007BZ · 2024-07-26T18:53:17+00:00

Keep trying until one of them says yes lol

18cmOfGreatness · 2024-07-28T17:50:57+00:00

You have to realize something. Those hotties fuck guys, they fucked guys before and they will fuck them in the future. And many of those guys are worse than you're. It doesn't matter how hot she is, if you're her best options, it's only rational for her to choose you. The same way it doesn't matter how hot a guy is, even if he's a 10/10 and a billionaire he'd still fuck a 6/10 clerk girl.

Another point - getting girls isn't even about to be liked by them. It's more about compliance and obedience, and expanding the boundaries of what you're allowed to say and do. The more girl "tolerates" from you, the more she's emotionally invested. That's key to getting the hottest girls. You do it not by being nice to them and trying to win them over, but by being a challenge.

Fantastic-Life-2024 · 2024-07-24T16:06:27+00:00

A 10 is a Victoria secrets model to me. An ordinary girl is not a 10.

SuperPoop · 2024-07-24T19:45:21+00:00

I don't believe in 10s.

9s usually arent worth the trouble. they have too many options and too much baggage. I avoid and look for fun 8s

jitendra_nirnejak · 2024-07-24T22:20:29+00:00

Abundance/Pre-selection/Jealousy - the thing I've experienced works best on 9s and 10s is if they see you with other hot girls.

The 9s & 10s I've Instagram closed casually see my stories of being with other women and usually reply to my stories, then I start a conversation with them and set a date.

Recent Experience - At a party my wing and I opened 2 girls. At first, they weren't interested so we left them and started talking to other girls. After some time we reopened them and this time they were much more receptive(and we ended up pulling them)

ModernAlphaAnswers · 2024-07-25T08:35:17+00:00

"Don't try and sell food to someone that just ate."

Understand seducing women is all about how confident she is, not her looks. If you approach a girl wearing a full set of cakeface makeup, giant fake lashses, hair all done up, very sexy dress, sexy shoes and is being constantly approached by men or stared at. Then of course, you'll have almost zero chance seducing her...

So instead, never approach women that look their best, instead approach 10/10 women that have barely any makeup on, no fake lashes, no fake hair, no sexy dress during a time they aren't getting approached.... THE SHOPPING CENTRE, BUT!! You must be wearing semi-formal attire and looking fresh. This way the powerdynamic chances, she's getting approached by this great looking guy while she isnt looking her best, she's way more likely to accept... Psychology ;)

I've seduced the most 10/10s in the shopping centre, but in the clubs/bars? Not even comparable, barely any compared to shopping centre.

Silly_Randy · 2024-07-24T15:45:12+00:00

Yeah my advice is fuck your morals.

When she says she has a boyfriend "shrug". Or "I'm not interested in your boyfriend".

10s usually want the bad boy. Like the legit bad boy.

Tyler Durden from Fight Club.

10s are also usually very insecure. So you could play with that. Remind her she ain't shit. I guess negging could work. But don't overdo it and destroy...unless it seems to be working.

Tbh it's all a shit test.

Wing_Inevitable · 2024-07-24T17:50:49+00:00

The difficulty increase from seducing 8/10’s to 10/10’s is unreal.

Ooo you have 0 idea.

It took me 7 mounts to start getting 7s. 1 year after that 8s and 5 years to start getting 9 regularly.

This is the world’s most frustrating thing. I have not met a man that starts going exclusively for 8.5+ women that is not incredibly pissed at women.

Then when you do and see it wasn’t that hard you just had to live in hell for 2 to 5 years.

How do y’all do it?

Study a lot. Practice a lot. Prey to god a lot. Change tactics on a dime. Try everything I know how to do. Cheat a lot. And lie and manipulate.

In essence advanced game is a game of 0.001% increases. If something increases the probability of getting the girl by 0.001% you learn it.

Good news : The system is the same. It only takes you to figure out what the system is.

Tip 1 : Throw out your moral compass.

You to some extend or another need to be a manipulative asshole. No way around it sorry.

Tip 2 : fix is your behavioural patterns

You need to be Arrogant and supper cocky.

You are dealing with extreme outliers - you need to be an outlier. Delusion is your best friend here.

Tip 3 :

Your personalty needs to be of a 10 man.

Example : “nice” should never be anything you do.

You can be nice but Asshole nice (like the way I’m in the comments) I’m helping but I take every opportunity to make fun of you and belittle you that I can.

Example 2 : Nothing is a big deal.

You are a GOD (or at least act like one). What can a peasant do to you - nothing.

Think of it that way if it helps.

Example 3 : you can’t be a nerd - to some extend you need to fit into their world (I don’t like it either)

No jokes about nerd shit - only things people that get 10 would joke about. (Like sex, relationships,make outs, dicks)

Star wars or whatever - doesn’t exist for you anymore.

I like DND too - I just don’t talk about it in the interaction.

If you want more examples and to see what disgust them watch “Fboy island” (season 1 and 2) watch who they eliminate and why. (See the subtext)

Like twitching or goofiness.

TIP 4 : You need to be dumb.

Example 1:

“Excuse me , I have a question , do you like cats? “ - is supper long.

“Hey , cats ?” With a judgmental look - is dumbed down.

Speak more with your non-verbals (RSD is probably the best resource on this topic)

Tip 5:

Smoothness and emotional interaction are a must.

98% should be - just emotions (Sexual tension and others )

The 2 sides of smoothens are :

1 Having more steps between Point A (Opening) and Point B(Kissing)

2 Getting her to think about sex as fast as possible. (10 min is about your goal - you are almost never getting more time)

It is not a contradiction - Having smaller steps - that take less time is the goal.

Take a kino ladder or a compliance baby step ladder as examples (That needs to be your whole game)

Those are basic - You might have problems specific to you - Find them and Fix them.

They’ve heard all the witty openers,

Those times are over - pre planed openers don’t work anymore.

You start calibrating (working with her) from the “Hi”

Also Witty is bad now too - too smart too long.

The beginning is the hardest part of gaming 10. You have to get her emotionally engaged(talking back to you in an emotional conversation ) as fast as possible.

Hooks no longer exist. The only time you can slow down the interaction is after the kiss.

Ive had success recently with 8/10’s, usually with fun, quirky personalities, but i want MORE.

Quirky - is how can I put this ? - not what 10s are like.

They are extremely socially competitive.

Quirky,goofy and a bunch of other traits are what nerds like each other for.

Advice : Start gaming normal 8s for a bit first (socially competitive and less open to you) - other wise you ain’t moving up.

I have met 1 Quirky 9 in 15 years. And 9 are rear to begging with.

You playing a 1/20 to 1/5 chance to get her is hard enough.

just aren’t all that interested

Yea - interest is also in the past now. She will have interest later. In the beginning don’t hold your breath for that to happen

Advice : lean how to create interest in people that don’t have it.

its hard to captivate their attention,

Yea I know. Fun.

Advice : Add lean how to command attention.

Buddy you are having a lot of problems. It might be a while before you get an actual 10.

I will notice a few looks and glares but nothing concrete,

You are waiting for a sing to approach ?

That ain’t happening. Sorry.

She will be cold for 2/3 min (sometimes 10- it happens) - better get used to it.

And than you might lose it in an instant.

the closest i got was with a 15 minute conversation where i got all the subtle nods of attraction but she said she had a boyfriend which is something I morally don’t agree with. (for now :))

Morals are done. Seriously you can’t have them.

You will get “I have a bf” even if she likes you. She is just supper used to saying it.

i was wondering if y’all had any tips or advice on how to navigate this problem.

Gave you enough for starters. Once you get those things down - ask again more specifically where the problem is.

Edit : There is only 1 Public book on advanced game in existence

“Game Solved”volumes 1 and 2 - around 1000 pages. Enjoy

Edit 2 : Made it readable

redspikedog · 2024-07-25T04:41:08+00:00

Heres the deal. Treat them like 6s.

Make them feel SOMEWHAT pretty, but also give them self concious. Tell them something is off about their look and you're not sure if you'd pursue them juuuuuust yet.

Conscious_Cod_90 · 2024-07-24T16:11:37+00:00

You could buy them My friend at a casino in Montecarlo was drunk and paid 10k in chips to receive oral Sex

At the beginning she said ‘how dare you…’

ShreddedScientist · 2024-07-24T18:01:06+00:00

Looks also has a linear relationship with age. As a woman ages, her 10 status diminishes.

Title	The difficulty increase from seducing 8/10's to 10/10's is unreal. How do y'all do it?
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