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I loved how even though there was only one white dude in the movie, everything would have crumbled if he wasn't able to save the day. And in Wonder Woman she needed true love^^TM to be able to win. Marvel can't write a diverse or gender neutral story to save their lives.
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can you please stop with this nonsense? Nobody who gets what he wants, actually says what he wants. It's not a hard concept to understand. Of course they don't believe in anything they proclaim. They get what they want without saying what they want. Every successful group does that.
Hypocrisy does not matter. No side is willing to change, when you point out hypocrisy. There is no abstract or logical truth, you make truth without adhering to other principles than what you actually want. You can reason ANYTHING you want: Genocide, Nationalsocialism, Communism, Christianity, Atheism, etc. You just need the right cirumstances and the right propaganda methods; appearing objective is a strategy as is abusing logic, objectivity and logic are not principles per se, you use them to achieve your subjective goals.
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Hey, pm me any time when your strategy of pointing out hypocrisy did succed in influencing actual policies. As far as I know your "enemy" makes policies and forces you to do things, that you think are not just.
I'm not defensive, I'm aggressive. These insults are not unrelated. If you knew about human nature and psychology, you would get that they are quite fitting.
It's quite astonishing that MRAs are still baffled, that hypocrisy like this exist. We are not in 2014 anymore; It's a feature of 3rd wave feminism, not a bug. You can always assign reasons - however alogical or incoherent they are to their proclaimed principles - for those hypocrisies. Like: "women were oppressed for a long time, those inequalities now are fair. for they make an equal field for future equality."
You know that this reason is bullshit, but it's persuasive, because it appears to make sense, when you don't think about it for one minute, and it matches their goal, that they want, but didn't say, without abondoning their proclaimed first principle.
The first step is understanding why their approach works (because they propagate their cause according to human psychology). Then you can pinch holes into their narrative and propagate your own narrative. Having truth and logic on your side helps, but if you solely rely on them, you and your cause are lost.
Have a nice day.
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Keep going.
Strategy?
I like this direction.
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one approach is linking feminism to the consumeristic corporate system we have in the west. young women hate capitalism; and those who don't are usually not feminists. show off those corporate feminists - of which there are many today - and show them that they are shilling for companies and deliberately avoid proposing policies that hurt big corporations.
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Your strategy says nothing about turning the lights on and the truth will set you free. Chuckle.
I’ll try:
“Nobody says what they want, we all use resource acquisition strategies that minimize risk, and effort while maximizing returns.”
Ooh, this is juicy. Please allow me to think our loud here for a second. In the past I’d prove that women are societal negatives unless they reproduce.
Yawn
Logic gets little traction. We are fighting an emotional battle against women, and a civilization of stunted men - nay, a stunted society where wealth and debt has allowed for extended immaturity of all Westerners.
Now:
“The best way for me to serve women is to protect them from the evil corporate system which enslaves them. Especially with sole custody further pushing them into unwanted slavery.
I recommend default shared custody and mandatory male child rearing for the divorced. Furthermore, for things to truly be equal both men and women must take home economics as well as military training.
I deplore this sexism forcing only one side to learn. Both sides must share equal burden. Furthermore women are sexually assaulted in mixed gender schools as are men.
We must move to separate gender training to protect both genders from the unfair and oppressive objectification of the other! Absolutely free abortion and condoms.
Women need choice in child birth as do women. Both sides have a say. If she has sole ability to terminate or rear the child so does he. He can surrender rights at birth. If she gets taxes from the state to have the child he gets taxes from the state to pay child support! (This last paragraph needs help)”
How’d we do for round one?
Let the games begin!
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Well, you need channels to propagate your ideas and it'll take time. Feminism was the logical conclusion from the Reformation and Enlightenment to the contemporary puritarian american culture. The problem won't be solved quickly.
Just imagine what those people would've been in different times, their personality traits would've made them to nazis in the 1930er, communists in russia, witch burners during the enlightenment, etc. Those people were always the awful people in history. knowing that gives you inner peace.
favoring women is a constant in human evolution. There will never be equality, you can either tame hypergamy to a certain degree (and then we usually get a civilization) or we don't and the pareto principle does it's work, makes many young men angry until the civilization collapses, because they revolt or get conquered by a better civilization (at least in historic times)
I actually haven't seen a civilization recovering from this, but we'll see.
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You espouse a very short and narrow view.
Any civilization of any consequence has had a unifying religion.
All successful civilizations and societies circumscribe the sexual act toward reproduction.
Human beings are part of a biological social order. Although diverse it self corrects: Feminists and Gays will never reproduce enough to continue.
I have trained my whole life knowing that one day their reign of hedonism ends. I’m prepared, are you?
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not so sure about the third point. would be good, if this was the case, but if homosexuality is as dysgenic as you believe, why is it at a constant level for over the last thousand years?
feminism does not need feminists to procreate, feminism gives more resources to women, so they'll favor it each generation, even if their mothers didn't as much.
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good for you, don't hang out with these guys here to much, if you want a successful relationship :D
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There is a simple test: if you flip men to women (and vice versa) in a statement, does it now seem wrong? Then this is the feeling you should have about the first statement too, if you actually cared about equality.
The problem now is that many don't actually want equality. They've left that notion long ago. They want domination, believing it somehow rights a wrong.
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Where do you live? I want to move there
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Please don't let this go unnoticed guys.
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I thought the severed arm of the last figure in the top row was lying in the bottom row.
But I think I've got it worked out now. It's a bar graph with people instead of bars. Each figure represents 10%. The 68% women are represented by six full women and the amputee. The 32% men are represented by three full men and a slice of a man's side.
Another confusing thing is that it's the arm closest to the end of the "bar" should be cut off. This graphic cuts off the inside arm of the woman but the outside of the man is cut off.
Also, they're talking about membership of a "Senior Management Board", where there are presumably fewer than 100 people. Let's say there are 19 members on the board, and 13 are women (68%), up from 12 in 2015 (63%). That information could have been put across with 13 lady figures and 6 gentleman figures, and none of the confusing truncation.
That's the end of my nitpicking.
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