GirlWritesWhat being harassed via YouTube copyright infringement policies

EvilPundit · 2012-08-14T19:13:18+00:00

This is a pretty serious action - and, as hardwarequestions says, it potentially goes far beyond our own issues, as anybody could be targeted.

We should make iot a major project for /r/MensRights. Thinking caps on - what are our options? How can we get the word out to other interested groups?

hardwarequestions · 2012-08-14T19:04:52+00:00

Alright folks, time to get out those upvotes. This is a problem that reaches far beyond the gender debate, and you can't imagine how many people, many who have no interest in feminism and the MRM, will care about this strike to online anonymity. This needs to get crossposted to /google, and upvoted to the main frontpage.

ssj4kevin · 2012-08-14T18:59:52+00:00

She has had two false warnings filed by people. YouTube has a policy of deleting the account after 3 warnings. In order to prevent this from happening she would have to divulge her personal info to the attackers.

Ted8367 · 2012-08-14T23:22:12+00:00

YouTube's takedown policies are a joke.

http://news.techeye.net/internet/copyright-takes-down-youtube-mars-footage

... after Curiosity's 1.31am landing in Gale Crater, NASA's main YouTube channel had posted a 13-minute excerpt of the stream. Ten minutes later the video had been taken down by a news agency claiming that NASA was a pirate and that all of its Martian bases are belong to them.

elverloho · 2012-08-14T21:21:27+00:00

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bikemaul · 2012-08-14T19:12:46+00:00

Does this apply?

Any person who, with fraudulent intent, places on any article a notice of copyright or words of the same purport that such person knows to be false, or who, with fraudulent intent, publicly distributes or imports for public distribution any article bearing such notice or words that such person knows to be false, shall be fined not more than $2,500. 17 USC § 506(c).

Curebores · 2012-08-14T22:52:03+00:00

You know the funniest thing about all this? Our opponents pull shit like this but still have the gall to call US a hate group... HA!

MrStonedOne · 2012-08-14T20:27:55+00:00

http://i.imgur.com/3a1BX.png

You know what to do.

Kuonji · 2012-08-14T19:30:18+00:00

This is fucking bullshit.

girlwriteswhat · 2012-08-14T22:06:19+00:00

Well for the first time in my life tell me I like boobs on youtube, cause I'm willing to fork out my very limited dollars to help out Girlwriteswhat legal fees. I'm serious folks, if people knew my life circumstances and what I have faced I would fall under a lot of charities and boo hoos and all that Jazz, but yeah, I'm a guy and like many of you I tough it out and don't cry.

But, she resonates with me because she says it like it is. She's not crying, she's not pandering to us men, she's just saying look and that means tons to me as a man. And let's face it, coming from a woman means more than a 1,000 men saying it, even a million. That is how valuable a woman's voice is our society. I'm not an MRA but I am pro men and Pro saying it how it is, and I am Pro Girlwriteswhat, so yeah, to what lawyer do I send a check to?

And I hate fucking lawyers too! (and I will write that on the memo)

oneiorosgrip · 2012-08-15T01:35:38+00:00

It is not surprising that this kind of attack would be used. It is surprising and disgusting that a huge company would have a policy which essentially invites and facilitates physical stalking.

As despicable and cowardly as the two users are for abusing the site's badly designed system that way, the administrators of the site are even worse for designing it that badly to begin with, and for giving the user, whose videos are the draw upon which Youtube makes its profit, no recourse to address allegations within that system without exposing themselves to harassment.

It would be interesting to see how Google might respond to a letter-writing campaign to its main office ( all addresses, phone numbers, fax numbers on their "contact" page, the first one being the main office ) easily accomplished using a free online fax site like FaxZero, where you can fax text you type into the provided box, or saved .DOC, .DOCX, or .PDF files. If just typing something for the cover page, it is not necessary to attach a file. A prompt will pop up to warn you that you have not attached a file, but since the text you type will be on the cover page, that is not a big deal.

For anyone wanting to send a longer fax and lacking the capability to produce these types of files, you can make a .TXT file into a .PDF at Online-Convert.com.

Upon clicking Send at FaxZero, you'll be prompted to check your email. The fax will not send until you open the email you receive from FaxZero and click the confirmation link. Then, it may take up to half an hour for the fax to be sent. The site will send a confirmation email to let you know when your fax was sent out.

Not that everyone has to send the same thing, but this is my fax.

It was recently brought to my attention that your Youtube policy on dealing with alleged copyright infringement contains a flaw which encourages and facilitates cyberstalking. Your process for disputing a copyright infringement claim requires the accused account holder to provide the claimant with his or her personally identifying information. This must be done without knowing any personally identifying information about the accuser. Because of this, combined with your three strikes policy, your users are faced with the choice between losing their accounts, and providing to an accuser information which may be used to stalk, harass, file frivolous lawsuits, and assist in theft of identity.

The use of false allegations of copyright infringement in this way is as serious as the commission of infringement itself, and potentially much more damaging. In the case of political speech, which often becomes highly emotionally charged in online debate, parties who take hostile issue with the account holder's stated opinions could range from merely outspoken to having criminal intent. Unfortunately, in the administration your policy, you've given them the perfect tool for obtaining all of the information they need to fulfill that intent.

As a site user, this is a great concern to me. The idea that any individual or group could, using your policy and anonymous email accounts, either shut down my account, or get my personal information, certainly does not make me confident of being able to use your site safely. I learned of this policy flaw because it's being used as I have described - to silence the political speech of one of your users, with your unwitting assistance.

This is an intolerable failure by your company in the protection of the privacy of your users. Google profits from advertising revenue dependent on page views garnered by user videos on Youtube. It is unethical and careless of you to treat our private information with such disregard. I suggest reviewing and updating the policy in order to better protect Youtube from being used as a tool for harvesting users' private information, and to protect users from anonymous harassment through the site.

This could be accomplished with the following changes:

requiring accusers to identify themselves by a confirmed method, if not to the accused, then at least to the moderating body which handles copyright disputes

removing from the process the requirement that users accused of copyright infringement personally identify themselves to their accuser in the process of disputing the claim

assessing site penalties (such as account bans) for individuals who falsely claim infringement.

and * displaying a warning about penalties associated with fraudulent use of your copyright policy on the start page for the complaint process to discourage its misuse as a tool of harassment.

WordsNotToLiveBy · 2012-08-14T20:13:41+00:00

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chevalier_d_eon · 2012-08-14T21:40:21+00:00

Just host them somewhere else and we'll keep posting them to youtube. It's simple. They can't stop all of us. For every account they knock out let's make two more.

DarthOvious · 2012-08-14T21:31:16+00:00

A quick question.

I was watching this video on disputing a copyright claim on youtube. I don't see the part where it says that your name and address is handed to the other party. Can someone explain how this works?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny3pMGFnwMQ&feature=related

Knight_of_Malta · 2012-08-14T22:33:14+00:00

Well, I learned that haters will always be haters.

Also suicidebanand & veryspecialsnowflake are troll accounts. I guess I learned three things today.

T-rex_with_a_gun · 2012-08-15T02:41:47+00:00

what can we do to help?

bikemaul · 2012-08-14T19:04:24+00:00

It's disappointing that Google makes this kind of attack is so easy. Anything we should do to provide support through this process?

ignatiusloyola · 2012-08-14T23:28:18+00:00

Here is a possible idea:

What if GWW gave a large number of people permission to host her material, and then we had 10, 20, 40 whatever number accounts posting the videos on YouTube? (all while crediting her, linking back to her)

I don't know much about the YouTube system, but I am wondering if that would be a good way to deal with this.

elverloho · 2012-08-15T02:25:42+00:00

This is just an observation, nothing more, but it seems to me that in anonymously going after a female MRM-vlogger, these feminists have not only garnered the wrath of the MRAs, but also activated the white knight parade. I honestly never thought I'd see something like this. An unexpected ally, if you will.

Curebores · 2012-08-14T19:49:22+00:00

That's a really shitty thing to do and I'm sorry it. You're clearly not stealing anything.

A question though. How can you sue youtube when they're providing a free service to you? Theoretically, you could just post your videos someplace else, right? Or is there something I don't know about?

Bobsutan · 2012-08-14T23:58:58+00:00

Does she get to know their personal info in return?

eaglitarian · 2012-08-14T19:32:16+00:00

I'm not intimately familiar with the DMCA and related US law, but presumably to be valid a DMCA take-down request needs to specify the identity of the requester. Presumably to avoid fines the spurious requests don't use real info. Perhaps it would be possible to fight the request on the basis that it is invalid (as opposed to legally flawed/false) without revealing real-life ID details?

gwolf100 · 2012-08-14T21:35:39+00:00

It's shit like this that ALMOST makes me want to fight dirty, essentially pull the same stuff on both those persons channels, Doc em and ransom, either pull the claim or this shit goes public kinda thing. Fucking copyright terrorists. Personally I vote we just steam roll the YT admins until they take the case under personal notice, 43,191 readers----GWW is part of our little tribe here and frankly I won't have her or any of you lot harassed in this manner. TO ARMS GENTS

southernasshole · 2012-08-14T23:50:27+00:00

Simple enough, let the third warning delete her account, just make a new one and re-upload her videos, sure its a hassle, but its a hell of alot better than giving in to those fucks.

Also she should try and make an announcment on AVfM about the new account.

Also, web anonymity is awesome, they can't sue you or whatever if they can't find you.

sickboyphotos · 2012-08-15T01:01:06+00:00

I am not well versed on what GirlWritesWhat talks about entirely. But I was informed of what is happening to her, which I find to be disgusting. Sounds like someone with viable information is being set to take down. I hope everything get sorted out!

Crackerjacksurgeon · 2012-08-14T19:31:23+00:00

It's douchy and a symptom, but not a catastrophic problem. New account + reupload, just like everyone else.

Irrel_M · 2012-08-14T20:16:26+00:00

1: Get firefox.

2: Get downloadhelper.

3:Save, save everything.

Curebores · 2012-08-14T23:21:03+00:00

GirlWritesWhat: If you fight this and they do start to harrass you, you can record the phonecalls and scan the letters etc then upload it all to your channel. You can hoist them by their own petard.

ThePigman · 2012-08-15T02:03:11+00:00

"Copyright infringement claims by one more individual will result in the deletion of my YT account."

This seems incredibly unfair. So all that has to happen is for three assholes to take a dislike to someone for them to be kicked off youtube? Why even bother using youtube then?

Brudus · 2012-08-15T04:13:59+00:00

I wish Google wasn't so hands off on their products. How could anyone at Google think that someone filling out a webform to take down a video and close an account was a good idea. I hate to be so pessimistic but literally nothing will come of this and the use of this system to troll will continue and Google will do nothing.

2012-08-14T20:57:25+00:00

GirlWritesWhat should simply mimetize herself with the background noise.

This is clearly a case of ideologically motivated persecution, and I can see no obvious way to strike back at the perpetrators.

Xenoith · 2012-08-14T19:29:33+00:00

I would suggest you start moving all of your videos off of the website and somewhere that they won't be so easily screwed with by the public.

DarthOvious · 2012-08-14T20:33:36+00:00

Fucking hell, this shit is unbelieveable.

I suggest we get a plan together to return the favour and fuck their shit up.

Curebores · 2012-08-15T12:38:27+00:00

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linksterboy · 2012-08-15T02:01:29+00:00

Is there any way that she could use one of our names/contacts rather than put her own on? Or make a small business and put that name down?

Hypersapien · 2012-08-15T14:03:58+00:00

Are Google's takedown policies something they devised themselves, or are they required by law to do it this way?

HerpNeverDerps · 2012-08-15T15:02:18+00:00

I just saw this. I never knew that Youtube had such a pants-on-head retarded system for reporting copyright infringement. I'm shocked. 3 reports (that apparently require no substantiation whatsoever) is all it takes? Fucking really?

We're talking about what is easily the single most visited and most influential site on the entire goddamned Internet, and all it takes is one drop in an ocean to fuck a user over. This is disgusting.

Unconfidence · 2012-08-15T01:15:52+00:00

Why can't she just post a P.O. box, or use the address of a lawyer? If you register your own LLC, which can run as low as $100 in some states, you usually have the option to buy a "contact address" service, where a third party will intercept your mail on your behalf, so this kind of bullshit can't happen to you.

AloysiusC · 2012-08-14T19:06:34+00:00

Imo there should be no copyright. Whenever you give power to goverment people abuse it. No exceptions.

On topic. I am sorry GWW. Your videos are awesome.

2012-08-15T15:10:38+00:00

Seems like GWW has been a bit too successful. The disposable male video has like 360,000 views, and is one of the first things people see when they search youtube for "Feminism". I would actually be genuinely surprised if Feminists embarked on a harassment campaign against GWW. For the moment I get the impression they probably want to just get GWW off-side because they want to control what people see. Look at Urban Dictionary and the "definitions" of things like "misandry" there. Having said that, who knows what fucking crazies are out in the world. I really wish there was something I could do aside from setting up mirrors for GWW's material, but I have no legal expertise, nothing really.

AmiroZ · 2012-08-15T15:46:15+00:00

Hey, girlwriteswhat, I found a channel on youtube that mirrors all your videos, including the missing videos of your channel.

"LPS Part 1 - Men have an equal responsibility." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDse6rqHl54

"LPS Part 2- the rights of the child" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwPUhiFKc

"Fempocalypse!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13ov5RUFWWc

ZimbaZumba · 2012-08-15T17:01:52+00:00

Simply dreadful, lost for words.

2012-08-15T18:32:11+00:00

I have a suspect I'd like to bring in for questioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34iulm23xx4

warrior_king · 2012-08-15T21:56:13+00:00

Because I was about to post asking for this information anyhow:

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/duplicates/y7tgb/girlwriteswhat_being_harassed_via_youtube/

Upvote away!

Croseus13 · 2012-09-07T06:56:44+00:00

I know that feel. My take on the arbitrary bot enforcement of YT copyright policy

2012-08-15T05:36:58+00:00

GirlWritesWhat. Some of your comments are thoroughly entertaining satire. Keep up the good work!

zarquon989 · 2012-08-14T21:34:11+00:00

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VerySpecialSnowflake · 2012-08-14T21:05:09+00:00

Maybe the harrasserrs can be added to register-her.

VerySpecialSnowflake · 2012-08-14T20:53:54+00:00

The doxxers are simply using their means of free speech. Problem?

I will engage an attorney and file a lawsuit against YT for their irresponsible automated copyright infringement claim process, which exposes individuals like me to the risk of real life harassment.

Yeah. Good luck with that, shug.

bikemaul · 2012-08-14T19:20:57+00:00

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MadKat88 · 2012-08-14T22:09:35+00:00

Leave it to a woman to assume that this is all some convoluted ploy to get her phone number.

Title	GirlWritesWhat being harassed via YouTube copyright infringement policies
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Date	August 14, 2012 6:56 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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