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Teacher obligates students to do this project and explain why everybody should be feminist

JoanToBa

March 15, 2019
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Title Teacher obligates students to do this project and explain why everybody should be feminist
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JoanToBa

Upvotes 2460
Comments 367
Date March 15, 2019 6:46 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
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Sexism in school 2.0

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Wow Reddit...

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Hi, there will be a feminism debate in my class and I needed help with a few points that I forgot, thanks!

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Need clarification on a few points

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I don't know if this video has already been posted here but not only this is a great science channel, this video is put perfectly in a way for everyone (hopefully even feminists) to understand. Spread the word!

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[–]iainmf 1780 points1781 points1782 points 7 years ago (75 children) | Copy Link

If it was me and I was feeling a bit cheeky, I would define feminism as 'gender equality' and then show examples of feminists not supporting gender equality and explain why it is sexist.

[–]choubidou13 436 points437 points438 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you are the mvp

[–]Mugin 701 points702 points703 points 7 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy getting failed by the activist teacher then.

A teacher deranged enough to hand out this assignment would get personally offended and do their best to ruin you for the gall of speaking out against their agenda.

[–]NAFI_S 472 points473 points474 points 7 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

its university, if youre too afraid to take a small hit to an elective grade (thats probably worthless in grade weight) to stand up for your principles, then you never will.

[–]SmellyGoat11 137 points138 points139 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Well, you can have your cake & eat it too. Write fake ideaologues papers with an opposite truth paper to each assignment.

At the end of the semester, drop those truth essays at that lady's office along with tens of copies around campus

[–]tacticalslacker 63 points64 points65 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, base it on white nationalist trash (just use gender instead of race) and then drop both copies off on her desk when you get your final grade. Now THAT’S feminism. LOL

[–]awksomepenguin 79 points80 points81 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

One of those hoax papers recently was actually a portion of Mein Kampf written in terms of gender.

[–]tacticalslacker 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s what I was referring to. Too lazy to provide links.

[–]MoistGochu 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's called Grievance studies affair for those interested. Around 10 or so papers have been accepted, published or were under reviews at the time the hoax was made public.

[–]Planner_Hammish 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They even won awards for their ground breaking research.

[–]Nubby82 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I met one of the professors in PDX. Had him in my Uber. I thanked him for his work. He and the other professor that did this were on JRE explaining it. Absolutely hilarious! The paper won awards!!

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[–]Schadrach 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair to that hoax paper, the specific part of Mein Kampf it used could be modified to cover any instance where there's a need for coordinated political action.

It was more of the "why we need to organize as a party and what that looks like" part of Mein Kampf and less the part about Jews and opposing Communists.

[–]Nubby82 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tooo bee faaaaiiirrr✋✊

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Problem is that encounters with department faculty aren't just "one and done". You will see many of them again--moreso if your field of study is small or specialized.

On top of that, they gossip like hens. The above poster isn't just speaking of ruining a test paper or a course. When it comes to academia, they can ruin your life.

[–]elebrin 50 points51 points52 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Well, your GPA is what will get you access to valuable internships, scholarships, tuition matching programs, honor societies, and so on so I would say that it's worth it to keep your GPA high.

Just as long as you know that you are playing the part. You are in college for a reason, that reason isn't really to learn but to show you are capable and diligent, then meet other people who can help you find a high paying job. Almost any of the learning you can do in college, you can do anywhere else. Anyone can go to Amazon and buy a few used textbooks and learn the material in them backwards and forwards, but doing that doesn't get you a job.

[–]CptHammer_ 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I've never once been asked about my GPA by anyone except people who want to lend me money. It's illegal for schools to report your GPA without permission so I don't know why this rumor about the importance of GPA keeps flourishing.

While I had a near perfect GPA that probably got me things like referrals and recommendation, I still competed and lost quite a few positions with far less studious people. Confidence, integrity, reliability are things that get you a job you actually want to keep.

[–]awhaling 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your major. Some majors are highly competitive and GPA definitely matters.

It certainly matters if you are attempting to get into higher school.

And school aren’t just broadcasting your gpa. People have certain gpa requirements that you must meet. It simply depends on what you are doing.

My old major definitely didn’t need it, but my new one definitely does. All depends

[–]psycho_admin 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm currently looking for a new job and I've seen more then just a few job posting that require official college transcripts to prove you have a degree in the required field. A lot of these jobs are either direct with with various three letter federal agencies or contractors who work with those three letter agencies.

You may not be running into such types of jobs but don't assume that they don't exist.

[–]CptHammer_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, I've not run into government work applications. I'll bet they just want to make sure you've passed the classes as a call to the University will only result in the "you were a student" answer. I'll bet they don't really care about your grade. I've been on school board hiring processes and first you'd be surprised at how many people report about attending vs graduating a program. In that process we are looking for state registered certificates and not at GPA as those are not reported to the state at all, basically pass or fail.

While I was doing that I'd say almost half of applicants wrote on there resumes schools they "attended". Very few boasted about their grades, but if you wrote "graduated" you moved to the top of the pile. Still we had to check for the certifications which almost always screwed new graduates.

Making it to the second round was literally a "we like the way you look or talk, and thanks for showing up on time" interview. The third round was limited to the top ten candidates where we looked at the resumes again mostly for experienced people who we could check up on, once again screwing newly graduated that managed to get there certificates in timely. Surprisingly we still hired new graduates as the more experience people tended to be surly at step two.

[–]elebrin 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh for sure, but you'll get more recommendations and the school will sell you to companies a little better.

My company hires (paid) interns. The students apply through the school, the school vets the applications and resumes, then we pick who we want after an interview. If you are getting filtered out before the school forwards on your resume because of your GPA then you'll never get the job. If your degree program requires you to get the job, then you are basically on your own at that point for finding one. Know, we know was happening, it's pretty obvious when most resumes have a GPA on them and all the ones you get are above 3.5. Also, I know this happens because it happened to me personally.

[–]panamaRed59 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would companies look down on rounding up my GPA from 2.99 to 3.0?

[–]letshaveathink 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm, GPA is requested and if not provided then we’ll move on to a candidate willing to share. If you are trying to hide it from an employer then there must be something wrong or you’re just not going to work out anyway. GPA certainly matters, but in this instance I would certainly sacrifice this one and try to make it up elsewhere...then I would rate the teacher everywhere I could so people know her agenda.

[–]Mindraker 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

GPA only matters to the next academic tier.

So, your high school GPA only matters to college, until you get a college degree.

Your college GPA degree only matters to grad school, until you get the next level up degree.

I remember my drill sergeant asking me for my high school records and I already had a 4-year college degree. I balked.

[–]dokks 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

College is overrated and too expensive these days. Simply it's the best way to turn yourself into an indentured servant for most of your youth.

[–]awhaling 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually, elective grades are usually worth about the same as any other class unless they don’t meet a lot. All my electives besides gym were 3-4 semester hours, same as my other classes.

Secondly, they can fuck over your gpa. The one thing I wish someone told me is to ace all the easy gen ed classes, because you’re gonna need that gpa established by the time you start your major classes.

So this is pretty terrible advice. Fuck standing up for an opinion. Take the easy A and move on with your life.

Related: got a terrible grade in sociology from disagreeing with the professor

[–]NAFI_S 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not an expert in the American University credit system, but would really depends case by case. It could be that a single report is worth nothing in this case, or worth a lot.

In the UK, you would never get bad grades for providing a different view point. Its unheard of and the professor/lecturer would be open to disciplinary action and your chances of appealing the grade would be substantial.

I did engineering at Uni, I did an essay on why renewable energy will not be the sole solution for climate change, and pushed behind nuclear energy and hydrogen storage to a professor that was fervently pro-renewable energy. I got an A, because I was able to deliver points effectively and the quality of my argument was sound.

But yeh US college is just a different world

[–]dokks 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo this person wins.

[–]DrewSmithee 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This, and who knows they might surprise you.

In college I took a natural resource management course and one assignment was to do a ten to fifteen page literature review of some preselected papers and explain why their arguments are great for the environment.

One of the articles was absurdly activist, so I googled the author and he was eventually imprisoned for ecoterrorism. So I turned the whole paper into a discussion about the different authors, their backgrounds, why they were idiots or not qualified to dictate policy and why we absolutely shouldn't follow their ideas since they were putting their cause above the big picture.

I got A+, and a cute note that "We are only young once :-)"

[–]s0v3r1gn 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s university, run a failing grade based on a biased teacher up the chain until it gets fixed. A department is managed by a college which is managed by a university which has a board of trustees.

Additionally, a University is still beholden to the Department of Education and last I checked that was headed by a lady the left hates with a passion.

[–]Alter-P 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry not sorry but our grades are kind of way more important at this point lol

[–]DJ-Roukan 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Called taking one for the team.

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I'd wear that F like a badge of honor, and it would be a story on men's boards both far and wide.

[–]pasta4u 54 points55 points56 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If it's the USA just complain to the dean that your getting fucked over based on your gender.

[–]peepeeandpoopooman 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that only works if you are female

[–]GrantNexus 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You didn't go to college, did you.

[–]pasta4u 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I did. Two associate degrees and a bachelors. Of course I started in 2000 and was done by 2009

[+]GrantNexus -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd ask for my money back. https://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm

[–]pasta4u 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh grammer and spelling were never my strong point in school

[–]dejour 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given that it is an 'English' assignment, I doubt the OP would take much of a hit in grade. I'm sure the majority of the marks in the grading scheme would have to be about the use of English.

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Although I suppose the instructor could say that the OP didn't understand the assignment...

[–]WiseDragonfruit 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I did something like this last semester (college). It was a paper where we were supposed write why women are still not equal to men today. I wrote about things like women not being equal because they aren't forced to sign up for the army draft.

[–]brygphilomena 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which, hopefully department heads and/or a university chair would see reason. At this point, I would just refuse to do the assignment. Discuss alternatives for the grade, but if they refused another presentation, up the chain.

A university isn't a place for faculty to push ideologies.

[–]DefectiveLP 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And then you go over their head and complain to the school itself

[–]nBob20 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I went to college in the mid 2000s.

While it was still a shit show back then, even the most radical professors enjoyed and awarded students actually disagreeing with them and challenging the curriculum.

Are any of these left?

[–]UltimateToa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would take the F

[–]wardrich 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's when you take it up with the principal/dean.

[–]14b755fe39 71 points72 points73 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if it is gender equality they are looking for you can present cases of male discrimination and present it as violation of 'gender equality'

[–]DJ-Roukan 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Up-vote from me, as I was thinking the same thing.

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Worth the F on the paper. I've seen and had worse happen, like divorce court...

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Wear it like a badge of honor, a story to share on men's boards for time unending...How I wish I had the opportunity.

[–]GodotIsWaiting4U 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would take an extreme malicious compliance approach and really lean into the “polemical questions” part, turn the presentation into a direct raging attack on the class and teacher for not being feminist enough about the absolute non-issue I select as the subject.

[–]joeflux 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better yet, use this very slide for saying "male chauvinist" with no female equivalent.

[–]drock18 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Universities and colleges are where you go to come out of your comfort zone. Not to fit into someone else's. I would have fun with it.

[–]NibblyPig 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is for men too, so pretend this is true and go into it from that perspective, talking about how it helps male issues and what those issues are. Never give any specific example of it helping, just say it does. Not that you could find one anyway... But feminists are always saying it does so it must do.

[–]rustyblackhart 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was going to say that yea, everyone should be a feminist, especially people who think they’re feminists.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You’ll learn quickly that this will only result in poor academic results. You just have to go with it. In Canada, the psych/social psych is basically gender studies now

[–]WikiMB 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel so happy that I happen to study psychology in Poland. No feminist bullshit here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn I’m jealous haha

[–]howboutdatt 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Op do this

[–]Dagomer44 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Came here to say exactly this! Upvote to you, my friend.

[–]Moonboots606 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's A grade material right there.

[–]Brockkilledspeedy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Came on to say this. Damn you sir.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That... is very wise. I would study only STEM subjects so that I don’t even have to face this sort of shit.

[–]nBob20 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Complete report on how the garbage collection industry is too heavily male dominated and more women should pick up the mantle of the garbage person

[–]benfranklinthedevil 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was the 2nd premise.

[–]WarOfNoise 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

then you'd get suspended

WorthIt

[–]shinslap 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is gender equality. Ignore the nutty third wave feminists and insist on using feminism in its original, sensible meaning

[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If feminism was for gender equality why haven't people adopted a gender-neutral name, rather than feminism?

[–]shinslap 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably because women got it started and people are slow to adopt new names for things

[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists have been quick to point out language they don’t like and change it. Eg they introduced ‘Ms’ when they saw a problem with Miss and Mrs.

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While the teacher has misdefined feminism I don't think the answer here is misdefining it for your own purpose. You don't have to twist the assignment at all, it says in the instructions sexist/chauvinistic. Read the slash as an or, and choose something sexist towards men.

[–]Pioustarcraft 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

take the example of the demonstration in the UK whe, for equality reasons, the age of penssion for women was raised by 5 years to equal the age of pension for males.
Ends with " I need Feminism because I think that Women should work less than men to be equal"
Or even better, take an advert about the military jobs depicting a man and argue that you need feminism because the army is sexist by not sending enough females fight on the front line like men...

[–]aspoels 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"the advocacy of womens wights on the basis of the equality of the sexes" - Oxford Dictionary

[–]flapper_jack 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow I would just do the exact opposite or drop out

[–]mooncow-pie 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd get an A because that's what feminism is.

[–]arendt1 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’d get an A if the teacher was a good one

[–]Zacher8 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better to ask the university to refund part of your tuition.

[–]The_Eraser123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/maliciouscompliance

[–]ANIKAHirsch 146 points147 points148 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Blatant indoctrination. Education is only possible when both sides of an argument are understood.

Thanks for sharing this.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Try going to Canadian post secondary. There’s no escape

[–]TProfanity 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Currently studying comp sci in Quebec, haven't had to take any feminism related classes. Some of the teachers are feminists but they aren't trying to force it on us, most just assume that we are too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Even non psych/Soc classes in Ontario at least, whatever the class is, they’ll always mention something about orange man bad

[–]adelie42 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I say there are people and views. Accepting an argument starts with a frame and once you accept the frame the conclusion is inevitable. Thus, "sides" is misleading as the linear assumption of a side itself is itself a frame.

[–]ANIKAHirsch 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If this teacher was actually interested in education, she would have had students write two essays, or let them pick between two prompts:

"Everybody should be a feminist"

"Nobody should be a feminist"

That's the only way students will be exposed to both sides of this argument, and thus educated. The teacher herself should be ideologically neutral.

[–]adelie42 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Two writing promps: Earth good? Earth bad?

Why not something of substance? Feminism is effectively the school of philosophy "anything written or said by a woman".

[–]ANIKAHirsch 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not really sure what you're getting at. This is a standard form of education, at least in my experience.

I agree 3rd-wave Radical Feminism is a bunk theory, and I don't think it's especially helpful to women (radical feminism has made women unhappy).

[–]adelie42 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You nailed what I was getting at. Nothing special about "Standard", that's still sad.

I love Beauvoir, and 3rd wave is a real betrail of of her contributions and many others.

[–]adomm420 301 points302 points303 points 7 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this unlawful?

[–]JoanToBa360 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (34 children) | Copy Link

I looked at it right now and it turns out that there's a law that says that students have to be educated to learn that both sexes are equal, it doesn't specify feminism. I think here the teachers could say that it's legal but of course, they're teaching feminism, not gender equality.

[–]adomm420 153 points154 points155 points 7 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

yes, feminism is nit not for equality, it's for female superiority.

[–]coastal-spirit 80 points81 points82 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It was originally about gender equality until it got warped into today’s meaning... Some people fail to see what it’s turned into though.

[–]v573v 40 points41 points42 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The people who started feminism as a gender equality movement are the same people who betrayed it. It was only gender equality until feminists were asked to sacrifice something for gender equality.

The initial group of feminists thought it would be a great idea if men were liberated from their roles in parallel to women’s lib and set some of their members on that task. Those members came back with parental rights for men as the leading problem men faced in society and in less than a decade feminism was not only uninterested in gender equality but they were opposed to it.

How’s men parental rights these decades since? The national organization for women, the leading feminist movement in the USA, is openly opposed to it and lobby’s politicians against it and after their campaigns against gender equality they scrub their websites of the offending material so that they can dupe a new generation into thinking they support gender equality, and of course, it’s easy to support something when you control everything about it and are not asked to sacrifice to it.

[–]T-Breezy16 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even from the beginning, it's been all about rights without the corresponding responsibilities.

For example, they always complain that men had the vote long before they did. What they fail to mention is that the right to vote only originally included land owners (some of whom were women). Eventually, that expanded to all men because men are the ones drafted into military service and sent to fight overseas. The thought was that if men carry the burden of being drafted, then they should have a say in the government that sends them to their death. Right paired with responsibility.

When women were given the right to vote, it did not have any associated responsibility attached to it.

[–]Demonspawn 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right paired with responsibility.

In the USA, a 1918 SCotUS decision tied the right of suffrage to the responsibility of conscription.

... Conveniently forgotten 2 years later when the 19th passed.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You gentlemen have nailed it.

[–]BittyMitty 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It never was...

Egalitarianism - the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

[–]Swede_Sprout 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. It was never good. Here is an explanation.

[–]Demonspawn 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Protip: All forms of "equality" are for female superiority.

Under "equality", men become people and women become people plus (reproduction).

All movements seeking equality harm men.

[–]adomm420 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This could be fixed if all the laws would be made gender neutral.

[–]Demonspawn 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

No, it couldn't.

As a quick example, let's look at murder. The laws, as written, are gender neutral in regards to murder. But the application of the laws are far from that. There are many defenses a woman can use in a murder trial that a man cannot.

It's because women are persons plus reproduction. Society will not hold women as individually dispoable as it holds men. It will never hold women to the same level of responsibility due to that.

Which means when equality pushes for equal rights, men become second class citizens. That's why all forms of seeking "equality" have the end result of female superiority.

[–]v573v 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In a crisis women have a tendency to gather sympathetic supporters to serve as agents on their behalf while men tend to face the crisis themselves.

These stereotypical behaviours work for us in a lot of ways and against us in a lot of ways but in one of the areas where it’s most noticeable is in a court room. A woman in a trial is stereotyped as is a sympathetic victim even before she presents herself as a sympathetic victim to garner support during her crisis and we all fall for it.

When a woman fails to present herself as a sympathetic victim we become horribly perplexed by it. A few months ago there was an article describing the shocking behaviour of a woman carelessly tossing a chair of a balcony high rise and the media response was derision while she was unknown and then perplexity when she didn’t even attempt to garner our support during her crisis to the point that her initial offence of endangering people took a back seat to ridicule of her lack of decorum under the circumstances.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well stated.

[–]JoanToBa7 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Huh, that's a very interesting view, I had never thought of that

[–]ANIKAHirsch 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for pointing out that gender-neutral laws do no treat men and women the same. This is a view that I also promote on my subreddit (I think absolute equality hurts women too.) I use the example of abortion law in this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAMALiberalFeminist/comments/aor4vs/women_will_not_have_equal_representation_in/

[–]Demonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're running into another problem which is due to biological differences between men and women. Men have flatter bell curves than women in genetic expression, leading to men being demographically overrepresented at the top and the bottom. As an example, while an IQ of 120+ is 2:1 men:women, once we are looking at 170+ the gap is 6:1. Women, of course, will out number men at the average when the male and female average is the same.

In short: mother nature was too smart to waste reproductive potential on environment testing.

So, as you suggest, until there is separate legislatures for men and women, there will never be an equal number of men and women in those positions. On the other hand, politicians are not leaders, they are representatives of those who elect them. In the USA, 56% of suffrage is controlled by women, which strangely leads to having less women in congress but more female influence into the laws.

[–]adomm420 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We're overpopulated already so applying what you said is counter productive, isn't it?

[–]killcat 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's not a rational process, it's far deeper than that.

[–]Terminal-Psychosis 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't change millions of years of evolution in the few hundred our modern, western civilization has been around.

[–]user_miki 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We men we would have never noticed that, if was not for the last 2 waves of feminists, that pushed into society the victimization game.This new feminist victimization scale has fascist hierarchy.At the bottom of this new"food chain" is the heterosexual old white man.That is the new villain with immutable characteristics. He cannot escape.If you are a old white guy you may well soon have an yellow star badge attached on your chest.

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Until we are all in one circle singing Kumbaya, total world population doesn't matter.

Might makes right; Numbers make might; Women make numbers.

[–]balthazar_nor 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It WAS, until the pathetic pieces of shit got in play

[+]place_destroyer -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this sub is more about being anti women than it is about men's rights. Most ppl here are simply the flip side of the same coin as the feminist they bitch about. Making it a us vs them thing instead of striving for unity.

[–]sparesso-4 points 7 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

I cant see how more rights for groups cuts back rights for other.. how is female superiority related to feminism? And does that mean that men have superiority now?

[–]adomm420 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Ever heard about great fathers getting their child right taken away whilst the mother is not able to support herself and kids so father a being asked to pay not only a child support but form of support her which might even go into thousands per month?

[–]sparesso0 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

So every government that does this..is feminism? No.. its the system that is corrupt

[–]adomm420 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Again, this was lobbied by feminists. No man in his right mind would have a want for this.

[–]sparesso-2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

In most countries there are more men then women in the parliament and they make the decisions and laws around child support and other cases.. this is not feminism

[–]gnark -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you claiming that is happening in the UK? Have you personally witnessed that happening? Or are you just throwing out a strawman?

[–]adomm420 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

no, plenty of cases in US though.

[–]gnark -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As an American I can say otherwise.

[–]guyau 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Talk about the gender gap in prison time and sentencing and explain it as an example of the prejudice that women possess less agency and therefore less criminal responsibility. It'll allow you to expose the a huge unjust gender gap that favours women, while at the same time based on a feminist argument. PM if you want help with it

[–]DullestWall 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just write your assignment with the assumption that she means gender equality when saying feminism?

[–]teabagz1991 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you should post that law at the beginning of your ppt presentation. if she fails you she broke the law

[–]JoanToBa9 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I should look into the spanish legislation

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in Canada. Germany it might be

[–]LeviTheLionfish 81 points82 points83 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you imagine the reaction if the subject were different? Like explain why you should be a pro lifer or pro gun or become a Republican. Hell would break loose.

[–]choubidou13 108 points109 points110 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

im so sorry for you

i think its legit illegal

[–]JoanToBa 7 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

This is in spain, i should look at our (spanish) legislation

[–]Ironyde 33 points34 points35 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that in the next election.

Pretty sure you know which parties support this kind of education policy and which don‘t.

I‘d vote for Vox, if I were you.

[–]Suavementeeee 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Vote VOX

[+]GeorgBriel -14 points-13 points-12 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

HAHAH MGTOW hasn't even showed up in Spain yet tbh but mgtow knows about the right political parties to vote to.. brilliant.. we are ahead of the game brethren! Vote VOX! PS: I hope MGTOW reaches Spain, I was sick of the feminism over there until I moved out.

[–]Crsmit8 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh go away

[–]GeorgBriel -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No thanks, I'm comfortable here but cheers anyways

[–]Regencyflw 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you man. Ignore these weak people. Tradcons like this sub are the ones who will be getting shafted the hardest by all of this lol

[–]NewDarkAgesAhead 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone link to good (credible, English) articles that explain how it managed to become so bad in Spain?

[–]Gaki-San 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would a Spanish university assign a project in English unless it's part of a class specifically to teach English?

It's like having an unrelated class, like biology or chemistry, being taught in Spanish in a Canadian university.

[–]4991123 67 points68 points69 points 7 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

This is outrageous! It's no different from forcing a paper on "Why everyone should be a socialist" or "why everyone should be right wing". Education should always remain neutral!

This is probably illegal, also in Spain.

If I were you, I would make the assignment the way it says you should:

  • Present the current situation --> there's countless studies and articles to be found that show that men are hugely disadvantaged in society (suicide numbers, work discrimination, violence, etc.)

  • Why it's sexist / male chauvinist --> "The fact that this question itself only asks for male chauvinism is sexist, and proves that our education favors girls, and discriminates against boys"

  • conduct a discussion --> prepare your facts! They will use the wage gap against you. Disprove it! There's a lot of numbers to be found on the internet that will help you with this! After you've disproved it, counter it to them, and show numbers of male discrimination

  • Give possible solutions --> Be creative, this can be anything, but you could say something like banning all violent and sexist movements such as feminism from society would be a good start

  • conclusion --> "This assignment is illegal because it voids the neutrality of the public education. It is also very sexist and discriminatory. Our teacher is a pig"

Tbh. this is how I would do it (have done it in the past on similar assignments when I was in high school), but admitted... I was a bit of an "enfent terrible". In any case: if you play it smart, you can perfectly fulfill the assignment and get good grades, while also putting your cunt-teacher checkmate.

[–]SmellyGoat11 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

If you say ban feminism don't forget to say that we need to ban MRA as well. They will use that percieved hypocrisy against you.

[–]4991123 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need either indeed. Sadly, we don't live in an ideal world. Feminism is a cancer in society that increases the already existing discrimination of men. The MRA is an unpreventable byproduct of that.

[–]SmellyGoat11 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

The MRA is an unpreventable byproduct of that.

With this enlightenment, what is stopping us from starting a movement with a genuine egalitarian doctrine?

[–]magnetard 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My biggest fear is that it would eventually turn into its own version of what feminism is today.

[–]SmellyGoat11 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, the written doctrine of an ideaology is the first step in defining the culture that forms around that ideaology.

The feminist ideaology fell into the trap of having a partisan support for the sexes. The name, Feminism, does not match up with the doctrine's intent, which is egalitarian in nature.

As such, when individuals conglomerate & interact with each other, each individual's interpretation of the ideaology is what drives the conversation, and therefore the actions of that culture. This is how cultures mutate & change over time, it's like a really slow game of Telephone.

An ideaology with Identitarian overtones like this will inevitably produce bitter people who are quick to spot an 'victim/oppressor' dynamic where there may be none.

/r/MensRights isn't much different in nature, due to it's egalitarian mission in spite of the partisan title. Feminism is just further down the proverbial telephone wire. In order to see meaningful change, we need a genuine Egalitarian movement.

This movement needs to start from scratch imho, with clear, concise syntax. This provides armor against individuals who would interpret the ideaology in a toxic light.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Agree, very much, in theory.

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However, there is a difference. The MRM is not exclusive in nature, as was feminism. It is made up of both men and women (women being some of its strongest leaders). It was women themselves that have been instrumental in launching the MRM, it is the "honey badgers" who are hosting this years international conference on men's issues. Many of the keynotes are women, and it is women writing the books, blogging, working within the structure to create change..and it, at least at this time, constantly monitors itself in regard to such transition (Glenn Sacks - "women bashing in the men's movement").

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My observation is that, unlike, or sort of like feminism and its factions (equity v gender feminism), the MRM too has branched. MGTOW, although ideologically sound, seems to be pushing the bitter pill, while the MRM is only pushing the red pill.

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Betty Friedan herself stated that there would be a time when feminism would see it's day, honorably discharged. It has failed to do so, and has now become just one more run of the mill hate group. Hopefully, as feminism dies, as main gain their basic rights, we will learn the lesson that history is unfolding for us now, and all this will come to an end.

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though I agree with you, my hope is that you are wrong.

[–]SmellyGoat11 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

However, there is a difference. The MRM is not exclusive in nature, as was feminism. It is made up of both men and women (women being some of its strongest leaders). It was women themselves that have been instrumental in launching the MRM, it is the "honey badgers" who are hosting this years international conference on men's issues.

Feminism had staunch allies in a few strong men that helped make voting, divorce rights, & more happen. We didn't see the culture of Feminism turn overtly toxic until it hit mainstream. By that time, the ball was rolling on the culture's mutation--- again, the Identitarian overtones molded these peoples' interpretation of the ideaology & that is what drove the conversation.

There are still even Feminists who truly believe in Egalitarianism, the pure honorable Feminists who stick to their Goddamn principles. Their presence does not change the fact that a lot of Feminists nowadays are overt misandrists. Those same few are the people that would benefit from an Egalitarian movement, as well as people like you & me. That is what I believe from the bottom of my soul.

Betty Friedan herself stated that there would be a time when feminism would see it's day, honorably discharged

This is how you do it. It is fitting that the beast raised to fight Feminism (MRA) would die along with it, no?

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could not agree more...and yes, when the war is over, the warrior retires, honorably discharged.

[–]4991123 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Society thinking feminism is exactly what you describe, and accusing everyone who thinks otherwise of being a misogynist.

[–]SmellyGoat11 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That is a product of the inevitable "us vs. Them" thinking that comes with having movements focusing on one demographic.

I'm sick of it. Why can't it just be "us working towards understanding & equality"

[–]4991123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't agree more. But this effect isn't only with feminism, but also with left vs right, non-religious vs. religious, and a lot of other groups that seem to hate each other for having other opinions.

[–]SmellyGoat11 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The effect occurs, and is most damaging when there is Identitarianism based off immutable characteristics.

Men : women

Straights : gays

POC : white

The victim/oppressor mentality will inevitably fester into something sick, as there is no end to the interactions between these groups of people.

[–]4991123 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rarely have I heard someone say wise things like this :)

[–]SmellyGoat11 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop stroking my ego or I'll start acting like a dick :) /s

Thank you for your kind words.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

MRAs exist only because of feminism. If not for feminism, there would be no MRM...so yes. that is at its base.

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However, there is a difference. It is akin to saying that if we ban the neo-nazi movement, we must ban jews that oppose it. MRAs are not preaching hate against women, they are not pushing laws to oppress women, and they are certainly not declaring femininity to be toxic as the APA is.

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Feminism is a hate group aiming its sights at men, MRAs are defending men from attack. There in lies the difference.

[–]SmellyGoat11 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminism rose in power by defending women from abusive husbands in an archaic divorce system. It eventually warped into the toxic ideaology we see today due to it's identitarian elements that rely on immutable chatacteristics.

It is akin to saying that if we ban the neo-nazi movement, we must ban jews that oppose it

This is a false equivalency. I am not saying we should ban men. I am saying we should migrate the movement named after men built specifically 'to oppose feminism' (i.e. our 'oppressors') into something genuinely Egalitarian. Think about it, if Egalitarianism & further understanding of our plight is our goal, then it would be the biggest blow to Feminism in history. We'd attract good people. People who want to stop being angry.

MRAs are defending men from attack.

Therein lies the same 'victim/oppressor' mentality that will inevitably infect the MRA movement, just like it has Feminism imho. MRA & Feminism are cut from the same cloth.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why it is so difficult to speak to a feminist, they are so indoctronated in misinformation and revisionism, so sure of such (due to a lifetime of teaching, and censorship of opposing opinion), that one would first have to unteach all the dogma they know before the conversation even begins.

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They believe that the divorce system was a bastion of domestic violence when nothing could be further from the truth. Virtually all evidence, within the realm of actual history dictates differently. Men who beat their wives were flogged in public, arrested, became social pariah. in some cases, what they claim is true, but, for example, Karen Straughan, in one sweeping presentation, debunked the entirety of the "rule of thumb" mentality.

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How they work. Fabricate a lie (gender bias in the schools - which I helped to debunk, even debating one of the authors in a televised discussion, the impetus of what we see today), then build a crooked house upon that foundation.

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My statement was not a false equivalency, not if one sees the MRM movement for what it is, not dictated by angry men on message boards...so I guess it depends on one's vision of such, but the MRM movement is absolutely about egalitarianism, and at it's highest levels, is governed by both men and women.

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See, the American soldier did not defeat Germany because they decided they wanted to dominate Germany, but because it became a matter of survival, of the world, and it took a great deal of aggression before that event came to fruition...then ended when the threat ended. No different here. Men do not, and have never organized any social revolution (well, the right of the draftee to vote came close), so we have to ask, or theorize, what caused such.

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Don't mistake my contention however, I agree with you. We may just see it a bit differently, or from a different perspective. I was very involved as a father's rights activist, and there were, and are two certainties. What we sought was joint custody, not father custody, and most the the strongest leaders of the strongest groups back then were actually women.

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There in lies the difference between the MRM and the feminist movement. The feminist movement seeks equal rights for women only, regardless of how such rights tread upon men. The MRM seeks equal rights, period. My contention is that once feminism is vacated from this society, so too will the MRM dissipate...well, once the damage has been undone.

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People like you and I, perhaps, will be charged with bringing that end. We will see.

[–]SmellyGoat11 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for the history lesson, it seems like I have a bit more research to do. Comment saved.

I appreciate the conversation. You've given me a lot to think about.

[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are just talking, exchanging ideas is all. I will thank you for maintaining a lucid, intelligent argument. Rare these days...and we are all continually learning.

[–]taopug 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't really look like that big of an assignment maybe just tank it with a speak on why no one should be a feminist. Then maybe if you get a bad enough grade go over the teachers head. Also imagine your teacher face, priceless. Also is it an assignment for the whole class or is that topic specifically assigned to you?

[–]JoanToBa12 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

In english class we have three groups (advanced, intermediate and standard), but the assignment is for a friend of mine in a different group.

But it would definitely be really cool to do that. Although fortunately here there's not enough feminists as to feminist publicity be economically rentable

[–]Shekish 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Collons, en serio? On es aixó?

Pd: es veu el teu nom a dalt a la dreta. Potser t'interessi ocultar-lo, per temes de privacitat i demés.

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah lol, és el meu amic. Si cal, ja eliminaré el post d'aquí unes setmanes i ja està

[–]autismlmao 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait this was for an English class? Now it makes even less sense.

[–]charlierocky 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t dislike feminism as a concept but it’s generally understood as making things better for women, not necessarily more equal.

[–]JoanToBa6 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's not that it's generally understood like that, it's that it's what it is by definition:

"The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."

It talks about women's rights to achieve equality, but not men's rights. I think that the best we can do is simply have gender equality rights. If we equalize things on both genders at a time instead of helping one to "compensate" we will never know for sure if we're doing things equally. If you take it from the root and do it equally for both, we'll surely achieve it.

[–]javerthugo 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you’re in Spain why is the assignment in English?

[–]Lord_Smork 51 points52 points53 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

English class...

[–]she_gave_me_a_rose 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My high school teachers were just like this

Special mention to my Italian/latin/story/geography and English teachers

I remember clear like the sun the time our geography teacher told us

"If I'm asking you what recently happened in America you have to say: the election of the first black person as president, we are still yet to see a woman elected, hopefully one day it will happen"

If you skipped the second part then sucks to be you

The English teacher kept shoving feminist bullshit in every single lesson and forced us to watch straight up feminist movies on tv

Girls had higher grades even tho they weren't better than boys at all

Mind you I am completely for gender equality but I matured this thought not thanks to what they've been trying to indoctrinate us with, quite the opposite

[–]javerthugo 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah so it’s doubly out of place in this class

[–]Rolten 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not per se right? I mean, you have to find a topic to do a powerpoint / essay on, I don't see why sexism would be a bad choice. Especially given the required analysis of English media it would be a good topic

Only problem is that it's about feminism instead.

[–]TankVet 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

College isn’t for free thought. It’s a completion of tasks so you can get a degree and move on. Just get it done. Consider it a thought experiment, don’t let it get to you.

[–]GoatUnicorn 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What's the probkem here? You have to find something that supports feminism, and then explain why it's sexist.

Well, that's how i read it.

[–]JoanToBa1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but, because feminism is not too widespread here, it's not economically rentable for companies to make feminist ads, so it's pretty hard to find them here.

[–]Rolten 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it's in English then can't you use foreign sources? It would make absolutely no sense otherwise.

I had assignments like this in English class in the Netherlands and we just used UK sources.

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm, yeah you're right, although it's not my English group so I cant do much about it

[–]tomowudi 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is actually a really solid argument why men CANNOT be feminists, and this is a feminist argument.

“No, Men Cannot Be Feminists.” by Louelle Denor https://link.medium.com/McoiYXHP4U

“Men Can’t Be Feminists” by Bisi Alimi https://link.medium.com/xPP6bcxP4U

So... why not do your essay on everyone should be feminists, based on the egalitarian argument, but that men cannot because it is actually disempowering for men to insert themselves into the conversation about female empowerment, as that is the very problem feminism seeks to combat?

[–]Sindawe 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Possibly a debate class? Hone one's skill at presenting solidly reasoned argument, even on a topic you don't support. Had one in college, drawing topic at random. The topic I drew was requiring males to wear make up, pro argument side. My debate opponent was one of the more girly girls in the class, against argument side.

[–]Heffree 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, depends on context. Came down here to say what you are. It's important to understand the reasoning of things you disagree with, not only because you could be misinformed, but if you still disagree it helps you to make a better argument.

[–]WolfShaman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How did that go? I'm honestly curious.

Also, were the topics just silly random things, or were they pushing an agenda? Because despite all the marketing propaganda behind makeup, women are not required to use it.

[–]Sindawe 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We both had fun and learned how craft a reasonable argument. Per the judges (other students) I 'won' the debate based on equal treatment of the sexes. Her eyes were opened about how some folk can see the over use of makeup as false advertising. Some topics were silly, some serious since all were submitted by the class.

Because despite all the marketing propaganda behind makeup, women are not required to use it.

True. I personally have a preference for minimal makeup if any for day to day life. Better in my view to reserve it for significant occasions, for example how Maria Franz does for Heilung ritual performances.

[–]WolfShaman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the reply! Glad it went well for both of you!

[–]General-Rommel 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Jump the fucking shark. Go so far down the rabbit hole that the ONLY logical conclusion is a completely totalitarian government run by females, and men should be genocided worldwide except for a small contingent retained only for their superior genetics. There's actual feminists out there that already believe this so you already have a library of quotes to pull from.

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If anyone shows any disgust, call them a traitor to the feminist movement and shout them down. I assume you're male, so tell all the men in your class that they should be bending over backwards to every female there, and should be giving them money each day and doing their homework for them or else they're chauvinist pigs. "Men have ruled the world for too long! It's time we gave back to the females! If you disagree you're part of the problem!"

[–]LoveisLove13 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Report

[–]JoanToBa 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Problem is all of the teachers are feminists here

[–]popzi 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hello school governers

[–]DarkStar0129 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take it to the dean or a higher authority? Teachers are cultivating their fucking agenda here.

[–]GTFonMF 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Drop that class like a hot potato.

[–]RoffeDH 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would be 100% OK with this if and only if the very next project was "why shouldn't everybody be a feminist"

[–]Lance_lake 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would be 100% OK with this if and only if the very next project was "why shouldn't everybody be a feminist"

or perhaps if some other kid got that assignment. I suspect that the teacher gave opposing viewpoints of a number of topics to teams of 2. Then they would both present perhaps in a debate type format.

This one picture I don't think is worthy of a witch hunt until more facts are gathered.

[–]RoffeDH 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup, exactly. Debating in favor of someone else's viewpoint is what you should be taught in school to be a critical thinker. This is not something controversial.

However, if the teacher did not do any of this, then I think there's a problem. You can't present such a one sided political view to a captive audience.

[–]Lance_lake 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

However, if the teacher did not do any of this, then I think there's a problem. You can't present such a one sided political view to a captive audience.

Oh. You will find no argument from me on that fact. :)

[–]RandomLink609 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Expose them" ok are sexist hiding or something?

[–]factsd0ntlie 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget to put 'innocent until proven guilty' in the ppt. That we shouldn't call anyone a criminal unless they are proven guilty of the crime.

For example use the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp case to highlight the double standards in the media and society. And how media trials made Depp an abuser and Heard the victim when it was the other way round.

[–]Paradoxthefox 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

3 a tells you to ask controversial questions. A good questions would be something along the lines of, show an example of females discriminating against men, then asking, "would this be okay the other way around?"

[–]lyamc 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Two options:

1) Write a paper that reads somewhat like 'death to all xyz' and try to prove that feminism pushes that idea.

2) Write a paper that claims that everyone should be a feminist because the term feminist has changed from 'equal rights' to 'just the rights I want and no responsibility'

Kind of like an internal revolution that purges the extremists from feminism

[–]Darkrush85 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a teacher like this back in grade 12, made it very clear she hated me . On international women’s day she forced everyone to sit beside a girl and had every girl talk about what pressures they felt from society. I ended up writing and essay on why modern feminism is terrible. Ended up failing the class because of that essay

[–]SuperManagement 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't fucking do it

[–]boringcarpets 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's that fundamentalist religion again

[–]JaxJags904 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Any time I was forced to write a paper about something I disagreed with, I wrote it from the disagreeing perspective. If you write it well and use good examples, and don’t just bash feminism, you SHOULD be graded fairly. It’s a risk tho

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not my class, but the teacher they have in English subject was so hated (I've had her and she hates kids plus she doesn't have a strong enough personality as to dominate a class full of kids) that her students signed IN FRONT OF HER a petition to change her for another teacher.

[–]FreeVegetable 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WTF is this? Gender Studies?!?!?

[–]sphinx2626 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just change feminism to egalitarianism Boom

[–]BlackMesaIncident 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Word book says this good.

[–]Top_Mind_Of_Pol 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yikes. Good luck ma' man

[–]cy1999aek_maik 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand why this may piss people off,but I think it's important to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. We should be able to understand why someone may be drawn to feminism without embracing the ideology and this will force the students to get into that mindset. I'm not saying I agree with the teacher's choice to force her ideals on others, I'm just trying to look at this from a glass half full perspective

[–]JustiniantheFirst 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Let me guess, this is Canada

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Spain

[–]JustiniantheFirst 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it wouldn't be shocking if it was Canada.

[–]Chopersky4codyslab 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would of thought so as well, or maybe the US.

[–]hiiiii150 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the teacher a man, if yes, start the rape timer

[–]radelite 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Worth failing this to piss off entitled teacher

[–]TheGuyAboveMeEatsPoo 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blatant indoctrination.

[–]TalkingtoeUwU 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh boy I would love to fuck around with this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. I wonder what "expose them" is suppose to mean? Doxing?

The best way to approach this is to use an example that is eggregious. For example:

She writes "sexist/malechauvanist"

This means you can choose "sexist" as opposed to male chauvanist.

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Here is a sexist article:

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https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/09/suzanne-moore-why-i-was-wrong-about-men

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Do the project on this article and be careful to explain that you do not think the Author is a feminist in the sense that she is clearly not in favour of 'equality'. You think she should be a feminist and not a misandrist.

Gotcha!

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[–]Mr_Shad0w 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully this reared its head before the deadline to drop the class and still get a tuition refund.

[–]Mrawesomeguy88 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh that’s something my English teacher would do. She’s an ultra liberal, my mate wore my MAGA hat in English today and I could see her getting triggered. She didn’t say anything though...

[–]I_Minored_In 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s the class? Supporting an opposing viewpoint, or at least objectively studying it is also a technique used to teach critical thinking and reasoning skills.

[–]Lance_lake 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What class is this for?

It's possible that it may be for debate or to see other viewpoints. Did everyone get the same assignment?

[–]zubai1214 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate when teachers try to impose their views on students

[–]Mindraker 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's English 101, feed the grad student the bs she wants and get your "A".

If it's some women's studies course, you're a dumbass for taking it.

[–]Seagram1 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexist

[–]rubenbenjamin 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am confused. If men are asked to take this test, is it mansplaining? 🤔

[–]1LegendaryWombat 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i fee like you should report this to somebody, but have no idea who.

Its like pushing any ideology, why should everyone be anti vax? etc etc.

Thats not what should be in any school. Thats not learning, thats indoctrinating.

[–]assraider21 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Another example of forcing feminism down everyone’s throats

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice username lol

[–]wasanoob 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wtf, this is indoctrination.

She is in a position of care towards her students, please DOX and get the authorities involved.

[–]nowaygreg 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Grin and get through it. Save your complaints until after your grades are in.

[–]Draxchir2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude! Do you presentation on Fallon Fox (male to female trans that beats the shit out of real women in the MMA).

Talk about how feminism allowed that. Lol

[–]QGStudios 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We had a politics based assignment in my language arts class but luckily my teacher isn’t a complete belllend so she let you have your own opinion during it

[–]ruler_named_king 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Report that shit to the school, I don't think she can legally do that

[–]HarbingeronLine2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What course is this ?

[–]ElectraUnderTheSea 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A comic strip is now a reference?

[–]Suavementeeee 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I never had the chance to explain my opinion vs FEMINISM at school. I personnally will crush this PPT

[–]LonelyForToday 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you, by any chance, from Brazil?

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sopa de macaco, uma delicia

[–]plamenv0 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would ironically take the stance of the world needing female superiority and give examples of male discrimination as positives

[–]batterygamer021 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

20 mins to write a paper? That's the real crime here.

[–]randomisedmind 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saw a YouTube show where they ask people statements and seeing they agree nor not. And the question was should everyone be a feminist? And a feminist said strongly disagree because as feminists one main point is that you don't want people telling you what to do as a woman so why should i tell everyone you have to be a feminist

Defeats the purpose

[–]NiMMyJewTRoN12456 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure the law forbids this at my school a week or 2 ago a teacher almost lost their job because a gym teacher tried to give kids an essay about whether or not a wall should be built along the Mexico American border

[–]Lance_lake 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Question 1: Why is a gym teacher giving the kids an essay about the wall?

Question 2: Presuming it wasn't gym, why is that a problem? For several classes, this would be a good assignment. The kid can take a position and write about it. They can choose yes or no as they wish.

[–]NiMMyJewTRoN12456 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it was a gym class and idk why there was an essay on the wall and I guess the prompt was more political than it seems at face value but I don't remember all the details

[–]FINLAND111 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s a lot of angry emails from parents

[–]JoanToBa 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately not. Because of how oppressing not being feminist has become in the Spanish upper class, no one dares to oppose it.

[–]boredrandomguy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Back in 1994, I had a Writing 101 professor try to push his "Gender Studies" agenda upon the class by making each writing assignment about that topic.

The entire class (males and females) protested until he gave us alternate topics to write about. Unfortunately, most college students these days seem to roll over and do whatever is asked of them by these wackaloons.

[–]CampfireDonkey 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Currently doing a paper on sexism in video games. It was either that, or writing about the ideal of a communist society, and sexism is easier to bullshit about, so I know this pain.

[–]smpk_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well tell them what the muslims are doing

[–]Top_Mind_Of_Pol 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this real? What module is this?

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's 4th of ESO, it's for 15-16 yr olds

[–]xigoi 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a perfect opportunity for some quality satire.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Our educational system has become less about learning and more about ideological indoctrinate.

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...which is why we have fallen to 24th in education among first world countries.

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Thank about that for a second and then please explain to me how feminism is of any benefit to our nation...then educate me as to why it still exists and has the support of the media elite.

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...because apparently I just don't fucking get it.

[–]staticsnake 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

College for me was about doing a lot of projects on things I wasn't necessarily okay with. In some cases I had to defend an argument I didn't believe in. Or you can just insufferably find every petty moment in life to be offended.

[–]tw1nm3t30r 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only assignment where I would get an F and put it on the fridge.

[–]Chemoralora 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shit like this makes me glad I took maths, no room for pushing agendas there.

[–]alclarkey 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd like to believe that wouldn't you?

[–]kickerrl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought teaching political views as fact is illegal????

[–]peepeeandpoopooman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

question 2 says e"xplain why it is sexist". you could choose something that is sexist against males

[–]TGunix666 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

i might be wrong but i think korea is worse

starting from first grade the school will be forced to teach kids to be feminist in the near future

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oof

[–]TGunix666 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I KNOW RIGHT EVERY NEW GENERATIONS WILL BE FUCKING BRAINWASHED

[–]scott1327 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Talk about how feminism (equality)is important but 3rd wave feminists have hijacked the movement and in turn actually hurt women.

[–]charlierocky 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Different people have different definitions. They don’t all go by the same one.

[–]alfredo094 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd twist this.

[–]user_miki 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We men we would have never noticed that, if was not for the last 2 waves of feminists, that pushed into society the victimization game.This new feminist victimization scale has a fascist hierarchy.At the bottom of this new"food chain" is the heterosexual old white man.That is the new villain with immutable characteristics. He cannot escape.If you are an old white guy you may well soon have an yellow star badge attached on your chest.

[–]saikon_1485 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh id fail that shite on purpose yo

[–]calamityecho 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My school did something similar. There are women’s month events every day and we’re forced to do women’s day projects in class. They go around saying things like “every month is men’s month” or “we don’t need men”. Even if they mean to be harmless, imagine how horrible they’re making young boys feel about themselves.

I am part of my school’s committee that helps organize things, so when international men’s day comes around, I’m forcing my school to do something regarding male mental health. I’m not afraid to pull the sexist card either if they refuse.

[–]SchmittyWinkleson 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m slowly disliking women more and more...

[–]CryptoTheGrey 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a similar assignment to this and all I did was ask of I could do an alternative assignment(commonly allowed) in similar form and I argued the opposite point. This was in the States though so I don't know how this would work elsewhere.

[–]aerovado 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bring that to the dean.

[–]Hammermanrun 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"debate"

[–]RespectFurries 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s her bullshit level

OVER 9000

[–]Darthwilhelm 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Consider this an opportunity to reevaluate your position, and if you feel the same thing at the end as you do in the beginning then you can reasonably assume you are correct.

[–]Brocko103 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's ignore the sexism for one second and ask who let this person teach anything? Everyone knows you don't need bullet points for a single point. 1a without a 1b is just 1.

[–]DragoniZilan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of BS is this?

[–]Benny757 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't speak for where you all are in life. I can't speak for what stands you take. But I can say is that from where I stand, I'd slam this back with a great big FUCK OFF. Or, here would be my paper - bright, brief and gone - OK I am the world's greatest feminist. We are all now equal. Now go fuck yourselves. Access denied. Your decision is up to you.

[–]FCSD 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel that's humiliating and degrading to do such a task. I wouldn't. Even knowing that it leads to problems with all of them.

[–]ChubaTaco 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wanna see the aftermath of this

[–]icaerus2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This may be out of context? I know that some/most? writing courses have you write for topics you disagree with the help you learn to be objective. I remember writing a paper on why dinosaurs never existed my freshman year. It was a disaster.

[–]bigkyrososa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, everyone should be feminists and everyone should be for men's rights. its the extreme radical feminists that took it beyond simply fighting for equality to fighting for power and fighting to undermine men that shouldn't be feminists.

[–]rebelmaverick2 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

so why are they still fighting and what for? last time i checked a female has the ability to do anything im able to do.. including taking a piss standing up

[–]bigkyrososa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

yeah, they have equal rights now, and they can do everything and anything a man can do. but that doesn't mean feminism is no longer required.

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there are still plenty of issues that affect females disproportionately. there's still issues of female mutilation in other countries, honor killings, real rape culture in other countries, sex trafficking, forced prostitution, etc.

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the problem is, feminists these days would rather fight to eliminate the social stigma of sleeping around and being a sexual degenerate and promote single motherhood, than focus on real issues.

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its similar to us. we know men are on top and have control over society, but that doesn't mean there still aren't issues that men face (such as inequalities in law and policy, mental health related matters such as suicide and addiction, male circumcision, false accusations and lack of due process, etc) that need to be brought to the light via men's right activism.

[–]rebelmaverick2 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

well said, and yes females are facing those problems... in other countries, but the femenazis here in America aren't fighting for those women that truly do have those issues to deal with, if they were then i would be all for them and what they stand for; but unfortunately they are doing nothing more than trying to eliminate MEN and turn them into estrogen filled ball-less soyboys.

[–]bigkyrososa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but the femenazis here in America aren't fighting for those women

And this should be emphasized.

And I agree with everything you're saying. You're a smart dude.

[–]bigboi_mike 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen to that, brother

[–]Lance_lake -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

we know men are on top and have control over society

Umm.. No. Just because you have a penis doesn't make it a fact that you have control over society.

[–]bigkyrososa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

...and just because the vast majority of the world's largest influencers are, and have always been, men - doesn't mean anyone with a penis will have control over society.

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let's be real here. yeah, we're being targeted by extreme feminists and their agenda to gain power over men, and yeah, we face tons of injustices and inequalities, but we still pretty much control most of society.

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but looking at 'control over society' through the lense of gender is retarded. its the personality behind the gender that determines the breadth and significance of control and influence, not the gender itself. and there are many different personalities that are stirring the pot.

[–]Lance_lake -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...and just because the vast majority of the world's largest influencers are, and have always been, men - doesn't mean anyone with a penis will have control over society.

Do you think that little of women? There have been lots of women who have influenced world events.

we still pretty much control most of society.

[Citation needed]

but looking at 'control over society' through the lense of gender is retarded.

Thank you. I'm glad you agree everything you wrote above is retarded.

[–]bigkyrososa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

man i'm not here to play debate club with you guys.

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you know what im trying to say yet you want to prove me wrong in someway for your own vanity.

[–]RealBaerthe 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She might not quite understand. I've worked with professionals before who are proud feminists but are unaware of the toxic nature that exists in the term and group. They're old school and just want real gender quality, unaware of the change in times.

[–]grilledsandwhich 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What country is this

[–]RedSephy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OH, this assignment's supposed to be in ENGLISH HUH??? HUH????????? YA RACIIIIIIIIIIISSST

[–]Elfere 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She keeps using the word 'sexist' which opens a can of worms i hope someone takes advantage of.

If OP can report back if there are any 'interesting' presentations that'd be awesome.

[–]WikiMB 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is pure indoctrination. Imagine if you replaced word "feminist" with "communist".

[–]jacksleepshere 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ffs, how much does that university course cot again?

[–]bludmoster 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just brainwashing at this point.

[–]ScreendeadGames 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please explain why everyone should be a something-ist.

And they say they're not totalitarian.

[–]Hunter_MGTOW 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck college. I work hard.

[–]TryThisDickdotCom 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I will never understand indoctrination of children for political motives - OP claims this is High school...or grades 8-12.

EDIT: this will turn into a full blown 3 day man hating session leaving many people less interested in the other sex - maybe probably....

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ye, we're 15-16

[–]TryThisDickdotCom 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

meh...start the protest now...ask what happens to your grade if you refuse to participate on account of trying to avoid indoctrination through propaganda until you have a full time job.

[–]ShadowFlame740 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try to make it more about 1st and 2nd wave feminism and the original real people fighting for equal rights, then call out 3rd wave feminists as crazy bitches lol

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, you could make a bullet list of feminist talking points and get credit easily enough.

But my take is that feminism is a religion and that this is a violation of freedom of religion. That would not go over well, obviously.

Is this a project or a test? With 5 min per item this sounds like a test. If it was a project you could state that you are not a feminist and don't believe that everyone should be a feminist and ask for a different project.

[–]E3nti7y 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't like the image feminists have made however the skill to be able to argue a side you don't agree with I'd actually not bad, however this assignment is dumb.

[–]Taboolaroola 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do the paper on johnny depp yo. I'd like to read it too if you do op

[–]Maxur9119 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The source is my phone lol

[–]bigboi_mike 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a lot of progressive teachers in the past. My teachers at college would all talk about how wonderful diversity is and what not; but at least they tried to be unbiased when teaching.

[–]dhairya3335 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was the only one in class forced to do this kind of thing. After I had expressed my views on the unfair opportunities that were only for female programmers and nothing for males, so I commented on it then I was forced to do an assignment where I was forced to present and write a paper on why females should be encouraged in stem more than men.

[–]parranna 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What class is this for?

[–]Gaki-San 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd wait until the marks were in for the course, and the day after you've got proof of your marks, I'd file a Title 9 complaint.

[–]justfor0000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would pick all the garbage shit that feminism has done and use that

[–]meerita 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would go internet, pick all and make an awesome propaganda. I would even expose in front of everyone with. Feminist shirt. When I get my A, I publicly spit out.

[–]Indigo_Rax 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, law student here and that assignment is shitty. So, I pulled some notes together that anyone is free to use for this assignment or one like it. You will either get an A or an F if you go with it. But more importantly, its all about beer the Supreme Court!!

PROJECT: EVERYBODY SHOULD BE FUCKING TREATED EQUALLY

1) Present the situation with supporting document(s) in English

An Oklahoma statute prohibited the sale of “non-intoxicating” 3.2 percent alcoholic beer to males under the age of twenty-one, but permitted the sale of such beer to females over the age of eighteen.

2) Explain why this is sexist.

The statute was sexist and discriminatory because it treated young men differently than women. However, the State claimed that statistical evidence regarding young men’s drunk-driving arrests and traffic injuries demonstrated that young men should not be allowed to drink and the gender-based discrimination was substantially related to the achievement of traffic safety on Oklahoma roads.

3) Conduct a discussion about the specific topic?

Discussion Question: Should young men be treated differently than women? (aka should women get a PP?)

4) Give possible solutions to avoid the same situation in the future.

First, don’t get between young men and their beer!

Second, when you see injustice in the world, don’t cry on social media or take your top off and dance around like a fool. Or force every to subscribe to your narrow beliefs because you are in charge. Challenge bullshit, in any form, with reason and logic and if can, do it in a court of law. Be like Curtis Craig. Eighteen-year old Curtis Craig, a college freshman with a hunger for justice and a thirst for beer, argued that Oklahoma's law violated his Fourteenth Amendment guarantee of equal treatment under the law. And the Supreme Court of the United States in the case Craig v. Boren (429 U.S. 190 (1976)) agreed with him. The Court held that no sufficient justification existed for enacting a gender-based law governing the sale of this particular beer to males and females between ages eighteen and twenty. Additionally, the Court held that the gender-based discrimination contained in Oklahoma’s law constitutes a denial of equal protection of the laws to males between eighteen and twenty.

Here is where you can find the background info:

Craig v. Boren, 429 U.S. 190 (1976)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_v._Boren
http://supremecourthistory.org/lc_justice_for_beer_drinkers.html

Here is a link to the written decision and the oral arguments: (the decision may be boring to read, but oral arguments can be fun the listen too.)

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1976/75-628

Also, here is a good video about the case(don’t worry about the “standard of review” stuff. That, I think, will be too into the weeds for what you need.):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1myYmCGDiiw

Side note, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, everyone’s feminist superhero was on the MEN’S SIDE!!. At the time, she was working as an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union and advised the plaintiff's attorney (the men). She also submitted an amicus brief and was present at counsel table during oral argument before the Supreme Court.

Stay Strong, brothers!

[–]SmamelessMe 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Subvert the topic:

  1. Source: Find example she asks for. For example a comic.

  2. Investigation: Explain why even thought it is accurate / funny, some may find it offensive.

  3. Discussion: Find a similar subject to point 1, but with roles reversed. "Conduct discussion" if this is OK and what are the objectionable points? Go all out. Compare individual elements and topics, and condemn them all.

  4. Critique: From this point on address only issues that apply to both pictures. Under no circumstances include critique that only applies to one or the other!

  5. Conclusion: Outlining further avenues of discussion. This is academia. We present facts, not opinions.

Your goal is not to shove your counter-points in her face. Your goal is to make bulletproof paper that will stand up under scrutiny. You've paid top Dollar for this opportunity. Learn how to academically argue!

[–]TherpDerp 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where’s further proof this isnt fake?

[–]JoanToBa1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Idk, I'm just a student, if you want I can show you my english homework, although that project is not from my class.

[–]TheKlazoManiac 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the Cultural Marxism isn't real guys, just move along and trust your (((teachers))) .

[–]thatnomadsucks1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Academics are an echo chamber. This is not the way we are taught to teach in school, but unfortunately it is common practice. The best teachers encourage critical thought by asking students to form their own opinions.

[–]TjPshine -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Everyone should be feminist. I believe the majority of people on this sub are feminists, regardless of if they know that or know what that even means.

But this assignment has nothing to do with feminism and is complete bullshit.

If I were you OP I would do the assignment as tasked. It says right there, explain why something is sexist/ chauvinistic. Things can be sexist towards men, this sub is full of examples. Find obe

[–]ThatsReallyGr82 points 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

"I believe the majority of people on this sub are feminists"??? Nope, not me , based on the rantings and actions of the feminist's who seem to get all the press. The feminist's I see are elitist fascist ideologue zealot's that despise men & all things male.

I'm for equal rights, not special rights, (compared to men) which is what women in the USA already have.

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[–]TjPshine -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I beleive the majority of people on this sub, regardless of if they know what it means

[–]ThatsReallyGr81 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

What does feminist mean to you?

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism is the advocacy of the individual and the individuals interests, understanding that general rules/regulations do not apply to most situations and, on top of that, are often slated to favour corporations and "the way things have always been" in our capitalist system. The feminist is interested in saying that while it may seem fair to provide all of the same things to each individual, that does not account for the fact that each individual may have different needs in a society.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-liberal/

[–]ThatsReallyGr81 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That definition is nowhere close to what feminists actually do and call for.

[–]JoanToBa4 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

This is the official definition for feminism:

"The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

If everyone was feminist, we would only be helping women with the gender-related problems they have. Basically, we would have an inequality where men would have 100% of the problems.

I believe that the best we can do, is to support equality between both sexes and to try to actually apply it. I believe in equality and at the same time I also support the MRM because I think that men's issues are disproportionately underrepresented. In the case that both men's problems and women's were represented to the same ratio, I would simply support gender equality because to me, that's the only way we can be sure to have it, instead of "trying to compensate".

[–]TjPshine -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting that you pull a definition I can't find anywhere else.

It's also interesting that you think that definition, regardless of how I feel about it, excludes helping men with their issues. One can be your feminist as well as your mra, but you talk as if they're mutually exclusive.

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Oh, just look up "feminism definition" on google

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I did... Nothing there like your statement. And again, I'm willing to accept your definition for the point of this discussion, I just fail to see where it says in your exact definition "feminists cannot support men's rights", as your comment clearly says it does.

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The advocacy of women's rights

It advocates women's rights to reach equality, not men's

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you say so, but I'm curious as to why that makes you think one can't be both your version of a feminist and whatever you define an mra as

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I think that someone can perfectly be both, although at that point, it's more logical to advocate for gender equality as a whole.

Look at it like this:

  • The MRM is like feminism but with men. I don't think everyone should defend them, because MRAs advocate for men's rights, the same goes for feminism.

  • I sympathize with the MRM because I think men's issues are underrepresented.

  • In the case that both feminism and MRM represented both sexes proportionately to the issues they have, I would advocate directly for equality.

I think that if what I last said was the case (both equally represented), then equality would be a pull and tug game. Simply because we can't know exactly when we've reached it, so when one says: "we have more issues here", they will recieve more support; then the other side will have less support and say the same, so people go over to help them. Instead, if we ALL defended equal rights (and actively pursuing them -at school, work, whatever- on a big and small scale), if everyone does it, we'll be sure to reach it.

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I forgot to say, I didn't say that feminists can't support men's rights, I said that feminism doesn't include men's rights.

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But you did that at first. That was why you defined yourself as not a feminist. Do you need me to read it back to you?

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh nono, it's just that it's not my exact definition nor is it the same to say "feminists cannot support men's rights" than saying "feminism doesn't include men's rights". Because we're talking about the concept of feminism, not feminists.

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, you said this:

If everyone was feminist, we would only be helping women with the gender-related problems they have. Basically, we would have an inequality where men would have 100% of the problems.

Which, correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not) means that you beleive it is impossible for someone to advocate for male rights while calling themselves a feminist.

If everyone was a square, no one would be orange!

You see how those two statements have nothing to do with each other? That's the problem your post made that I keep asking about.

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah you're right, the wording there wasn't too good, but basically what I want to tell you is basically what I said in the comment here on top of yours

[–]TjPshine1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Fair enough! I agree brother and good luck with your assignment

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It was the first result for me:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminism

[–]TjPshine -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Cool! That still doesn't answer my questions, at all. Again, I've said 3 times now, I'm willing to take your definition for the conversation, but that doesn't answer why one may not define themselves as a feminist.

Here's where I take my definition from, if it interests you, although, for a fourth time, it's irrelevant to this conversation. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-liberal/

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know I know, I was just adding the source

[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

...and Hitler was the savior of Germany. Read any of the propaganda back then and he too will look like a saint.

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If feminism was about equality, they would not, every last one, be MRAs. Those that were once noble feminist, from Smith, to Jaye, to Sommers, already are. They entire request is framed as an accusation against men, a biased narrative that has made a determination devoid of factual evidence in an attempt to condition the student to her personal opinion.

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Now, I could list all of the practices feminist have employed to marginalize and discriminate against men, starting with the two that wrote the accusatory Gillette ad, or those who wrote the APA guidelines, those that shut us out on the domestic violence issue, the censorship etc., but you'd not listen because you have done no study, have no clue...and don't want one.

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Feminism today is a radical hate group.

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[–]TjPshine -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That's not true at all? Why don't you do some reading? Aside from mentioning the fact that power structures traditionally are male based there is nothing there about destroying men" you seem to be confusing "people I hate who call themselves feminists" with "how and what feminism is and came To be" https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-liberal/

[–]DJ-Roukan 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Feminism 101. Should you produce random and bland feminist dogma, and are called on it, utilize Ad-hominem such as accusing the individual of being ignorant, posting grandiosly and demanding they "read", or "educate themselves" while producing more vague dogma.

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Read? I've been an MRA before you were born. I've debunked most of it, both in writing and TV...including The dogma on that link you've posted.

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Feminism, by it's very namesake, its phonology, morphology, is inherently bigoted and sexist by declaring that only the feminine seeks equality and fairness, leaving whom to be the perpertrator of injustice? It is not unlike the VAWA, citing the female as victim by it's very namesake, leaving whom to be the perpertrator?

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...and the results of this? Men and women abuse each other in equal numbers (not understood until now due to feminist censorship, and such postings as yours that seek to detract or disparage any and all counter argument, be it true or not, yet we have the VAWA, over 2000 shelters and services for women, all well funded, and only one for male victims.

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Further, under the Duluth model, a male victim is more likely to get arrested than aided or sheltered. This all under the direction and effort of feminist organizations.

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You don't want my full attention on this, so you should stop typing, take some time to read this board or other MRA boards, so that you have a foundation for understanding that goes beyond your college experience and the influence of radical feminist preaching the nonsense you are now regurgitating on this board. .

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[–]TjPshine -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I've answered a billion times my thoughts in this thread. You literally compared feminists to Hitler. Obviously any discussion with you is apt to have you yelling stupid insults and complaining about femoids, as you are.

You're right, I have no interest in talking to an ignorant fuck such as yourself, and couldn't care less how you see me "an mra since before I was born" I don't even know if you have the capacity to read.

Enjoy living your terrible life where you hate everyone.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Struck a nerve did I? See, this is one of the main follies of feminism, who's members censor opposing opinion, hear only those that enforce their skewed belief system to the point that their indoctrinated cannot handle any conflict, or opposing opinion, in the real world...and begin attacking like a child when they cannot simply steamroll over people.

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What you don't understand is that I am not discussing anything with you, but exposing you so that these guys can see what we are up against. You are a prop, and it only took a few posts for you to become your real self, unable to debate, hurling personal attacks and insults, fingers in ears, unwilling to discuss because you, as a feminist, have an agenda and believe in your own superiority over men (even declaring that you are right and beyond debate).

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You came here to placate and patronize (your opinion of men is so low), talked no specifics, but fired out some random paper written by yet another feminist misandrist, based on no science, no study, but ideological opinion...the type that is inundating young kids like yourself, young women, granting you the audacity to come here, patronize and continue to lie and attempt the same ole shaming tactics that feminist have been spewing for years.

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You are not about equality at all, and you are not even about equality for women, but equal rights without equal responsibility...and women are now starting to see it as the responsibility of "equality" is now hitting them in the face through such as the female draft, family court reform (where women are losing custody and paying alimony). They are learning some hard truths about female on male rape, false accusations, female child abuse, DV etc. They are seeing that the MeToo which hunt is harming women as more and more male CEOs, leaders, are refusing to mentor women for fear of false accusation, MGTOW is growing exponentially as men shy away from marriage and family.

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The hate spewed at men, the caricatures of men, the accusations, have earned them the comparison of 1920s Germany. the false studies such as, "gender bias in schools" (which I personally helped to debunk), superbowl Sunday violence against women, the deadbeat dad canard, the domestic violence prevarication, wage gap hoax, and on down the line, all lies, all now proven so. Every discrimination, every bias that men face today, at their very core, sits feminism...most recently the two feminist and their, gillette ad.

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Do you think it is coincidence that the APA released their feminist guidelines declaring all masculinity a destructive ideology at the same time of that ad? It's called the "wrap-up smear", where one pushed the dogma, another, through the media, legitimizes it. In short, one lies, the other swears to it. It was an agenda to put "toxic masculinity" on the board...and it worked. Even with that, the entire definition is a hoax, not at all what Shepard Bliss, who coined the term, meant, but just another feminist lie.

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You made two mistakes here. First, being indoctrinated into what has become a hate group. Second, challenging people with enough knowledge of said group to confront your patronizing and dogmatic assumptions.

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" Enjoy living your terrible life where you hate everyone."

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So typical, but I don't hate everyone, I just hate you and what you stand for, which is hate for my gender...and a very enjoyably life, thank you...and that is not going to work.

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Feminism once had noble intent, but it is now both obsolete, and it has attracted every hateful being it could conjure, feeding them dogma and destructive ideology aimed at producing a need not unlike any marketing or snake oil salesmen. The women's movement is over, they have their rights, and feminism is dying...its greatest advocates now being women themselves.

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Friedan itself warned of this, arguing that feminism should know when it's time to retire, honorably discharged, and it has failed miserably. When history speaks of this time it will be equated to McCarthyism, Nazism, and such hate groups as the Klan...and it it doing so without my, or anyone else's help. We are just exposing it for what it has become.

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[–]TjPshine -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not censoring you. I'm laughing at you.

You know nothing about me and all you've done is make a bunch o's assumptions because my definition of feminist is accepted by the academic world and yours is synonymous with naziism.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I know all about you. One must know thine enemy in order to defeat them, or her. Your "laughter" is both your denial and your arrogance, Hubris, as well as a shaming method used to maintain your dogmatic belief...the ad hominem of feminism, attack and dismiss, but never engage in the actual argument.

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All leave you with this, Feminism supports "equal" rights for women, even when they tread upon men. The MRA supports equal rights, period, man or women.

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There in lies the difference. Enjoy your laugh.

[–]TjPshine 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You keep on claiming that I'm falling into ad hominem, but I haven't at all. There's a difference between insulting you and insulting you as an argument.

You, on the other hand, refuse to actually engage in a conversation, and instead are making things up about me to insult and treating that as some sort of discussion, which is the actual meaning of ad hominem.

This last post has convinced me that you are just satire. Pretty good stuff mate, I was genuinely convinced you were more idiotic than a brick wall, which at least has the capability to echo sentient thought.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh really?

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"Why don't you do some reading?

Obviously any discussion with you is apt to have you yelling stupid insults and complaining about femoids, as you are.

You're right, I have no interest in talking to an ignorant fuck such as yourself,

I don't even know if you have the capacity to read.

Enjoy living your terrible life where you hate everyone.

I'm laughing at you."

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What is all the above. Now point out where I attacked you, as I did not at all. I just blew up your dogma, but as a feminist, you immediately went to the personal attack, because if we discuss the issues, your movement would be unmasked for the hate-group they are.

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No, I did not attack you at all...but I will now you entitled little shit. I don't know who you think you are, but you should be on your knees thanking men like me, who served, sacrificed, bled and died to protect your countries, to grant you the right to be an arrogant little snot nosed college girl who things she has even the tiniest modicum of a right to critique men. You would not even exist if not for us.

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That is first, Second, You are either from England of Australia, the two countries that are the greatest oppressors of men, with the most hateful feminist. the bullshit, the hate being spewed at men, the discrimination exacted upon those men is beyond comprehension...and your Academia, that you cite is the exact problem, followed by the media. I tis infested with feminist lies and dogma, using the victim claim to select and attack a sub-group of people in the exact same way the Nazi did the Jew, and with all the propaganda. Read Mein Kampf and maybe, just maybe you will start to realize what you've become.

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Now I'm not going to was another second with a privileged, entitled, arrogant ass that has sacrificed nothing, experienced nothing beyond social privilege, listening to how we men should cow down to her skewed rendition of life.

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I know feminism, I've battled them for years, and that is the only reason they have not done to men here what they have done to men in the countries mentioned. Grow up, gain some perspective, stop pontificating to men who's lunchbox you are not fit to carry.

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Have a nice day.

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[–]TjPshine1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Like I said, there's a firm difference between insulting you and dismissing your argument through insulting you. You consistently claim that feminism is some sort of Nazi machine, as you have again, which is very much attacking something instead of actually discussing it like a normal human being.

I'm not from either England or Australia. A 3 second browsing of my posting history would have told you that. I thought you said you knew all about me?

Feminism is an academic theory, it's not something that has an agenda. It's a way of looking at things, it literally cannot be what you're purporting.

"I know feminism, I've battled them for years". Is a statement that literally has no meaning. Feminism is not an entitity.

Never have I said the men are inferior, or that they should "cow down".

You still lack the ability to type meaningful sentences.

[–]DJ-Roukan1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Feminism is an entity, governed by NOW, the AAUW, The fund for a feminist majority, and a great many other groups, all incorporated with leadership structures, all organized, all linked.

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I'm not going to waste a lot of time on this...because you are simply not going to listen, or make excuses (Cassie Jaye demonstrated the mentality in her TED talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY- after she set out to "prove" MRAs to be misogynist, but after speaking to so many, created the now famous "Red Pill" documentary that has launched the men's rights movement into the mainstream while exposing feminism for what it is. She has abandoned feminism completely.

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...but for the record.

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aauw - Report,, "how schools shortchange girls"....impetus of the current discriminatory practices against boys in our schools, resulting in the disparity we see now. I was one of the first to challenge that "study", on TV. No study was ever found. Entire thing is a hoax.

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Fund for a feminist majority, - "Superbowl Sunday Violence against women", Ken Wringle of the Washington post investigated the, Old Dominion Study, interviewed the nursing staff noted in the study. No one interviewed them, no increase in DV. However, it was responsible for the refusal to include male victims of DV (who are 40% of victims), from gaining any support as well as the current Duluth model that leaves male victims a greater chance of being arrested than sheltered.

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The "dead beat dad" canard of the 90s, pushed by Trish Wilson and her organization funded by NOW, debunked when we proved that even fathers who were denied custody, most under false 209A orders, still paid child support, that women were more likely to be "dead beat" parents than were fathers. However, it was the impetus of the child support system that has created a billion dollar industry resulting in 85% of fathers being evicted from their children's lives to this day.

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"The most dangerous place for a woman is in her home with a husband". Again, leading to the VAWA, which, of course, by it's very nature, like feminism itself, alienates men. Debunked when proven that more women die in bicycle accidents, and virtually all other accidental deaths, that the home with a husband is actually the safest place for a woman to be.

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1 in 4 college women would be raped, hoax. When interviews of the "victims" were conducted, the vast majority clearly stated that the "survey" skewed their results, that many had actually married their "rapist". Actual statistics were (this is by memory), about 1 in 80,000 were raped. On college campuses, there was one rape every two years, not even in the same universe of their claim....yet it has lead to profiling of males, "rape awareness classes where boys are required to admit, first and foremost, that they are all potential rapist...and now, over 800 colleges in this country have changed their policies to where the accused is considered guilty and must prove his innocence, resulting in hundreds of boys lives being destroyed based on nothing more than accusation.

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Erin Pizzy, creator of the first ever woman's shelter in the UK was ostracized from the movement when she refused to lie and partake in the victimhood of women hoax, declaring that over 60% of the women entered into her shelters were, themselves, violent, that men were as much victims as women. She was forced to leave England for her own safety (they actually killed her dog). She called the "feminist movement" an upper middle class white woman's Marxist movement". She says she still has the letter ousting her from the movement.

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Anna Cools, creator of the first woman's shelter in Canada has also, for the same reason, become an MRA...as have thousands upon thousands of original equity feminist.

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There is Karen Struaghan, Janice Fiamango, Elisibeth Hobson, even Sommers, female organizations such as the IWF, and many others. In fact, the Honey Badgers (a female MRA group) are hosting this years international conference on men's issues aimed at further battling and beginning to repair the damage that feminism has caused to our men and boys. Half the keynotes are women...which is why I made the statement that if you were a true supporter of equal rights for all, you would be an MRA, just like the rest of them.

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Your definition of "feminism" was once accurate, about 50 years ago, but what it is in practice now is a hate group aimed at diminishing and dominating men. You may still believe in the ideology of first wave feminism, but you are alone in that belief. Your leadership is that of an angry, anti-male group that lines up in parallel with the Nazi party of 1920. That is why the comparison was made, right out of Mien Kampf...and if you still call yourself a feminist rather than an equality, you are unwittingly helping their agenda, their numbers, and are, in-fact, part of the problem, not the cure.

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You are a victim, but not of men...a pawn in a very Machiavellian game of domination, no more or less than the German people were at one time. Now I could go on and on, but why? What you believe is what you believe, ...and I am done with this conversation. I've given you the information. Do with it what you will.

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[–]miniibeast-3 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

So this isn't the worst thing though. For my philosophy classes in college we had to do a couple papers where we argued for something we didn't necessarily believe in. We had to do research and bring up why the thing we didn't believe in could be seen as true and make a sound argument for it. Then in the next paper we would present our actual beliefs in contradiction and show how the paper we previously wrote could be seen as wrong. Learning more about something that you don't believe in isn't bad, it will allow you to know more stances that those who believe in it will take that you can counter argue now.

Now if this is high school or junior high this paper could be an issue because kids are still impressionable while only just starting to think for themselves. And most kids have the mindset that whatever they are taught is true and to just accept it without challenging anything.

[–]JoanToBa2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's high school, we're 15-16

[–]greenSixx -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what?

I did reports on black people for black history month.

Nothing wrong with understanding a different perspective on life

[–]alclarkey 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Explain why everyone should be a white supremacist"

Nothing wrong with understanding a different perspective on life.

[–]LoneKharnivore -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

But... everybody should. Not the fake "female dominance" that is masquerading as feminism but actual true feminism, because that is about equality.

[–]JoanToBa6 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree. Feminism is supposed to want to achieve equality by supporting women's rights.

The issue here is that even from a feminist perspective, this is wrong. If you gave the rights that feminists claim they don't have, they will only achieve equality when both sexes have the same amount of problems. But we don't want that, we want to not have any gender-related problems.

So if you support gender equality and feminism, it means you also defend men's rights.

"The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes"

I personally defend equality and also the MRM because men's problems are disproportionally underrepresented. I've grown up in a feminist environment (at a point I even considered myself feminist) so I've listened a lot to women's problems, the same way I have done the same with men's. With that experience I would go as far as to say that men are more oppressed in the occidental society, simply because the feminist argument of female oppression (outside of rape) is that people hate women, I don't think that there's the amount of incels they paint it to. Although I have seen quite some incel females.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"True feminism" is a powerful hate cult. 'Equality feminism' is merely an attitude middle class white women have. Most have little interest in it or the former.

[+]gnark -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Especially some angsty teen incel like /u/JuanToBa who seems to think groping his drunk female "friends" is acceptable.

Here's a gem of his:

Apart from the fact that femle friends have bobs and vagene ~whuch u can touch when she sleepy alcohol fun~ i find that female friends are just different than male friendships...

[–]JoanToBa6 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah lol, let's say 4chan has influenced quite a bit my humor. I think that post was from r/teenagersnew or something, which is mainly memes and shitposting. Also you can see it's sattire simply by looking at the grammar.

[–]gnark -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol... was that your response to La Manada too? You cry a lot about feminism being imposed upon you but a good percentage of Spanish teenager boys your age think it's acceptable to using violence and intimidation with their girlfriends. Maybe your teachers don't agree. Feminism in the USA has become radicalized to some degree, but not so much here in Spain. Instead you have far-right conservatives like HazteOir sending a bus around with Hitler on it to "defend" men's rights and the rapists of La Manada claiming they are the victims.

Do you honestly believe your rights as a man in Spain are inferior to those of a woman?

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

First of all, my ideology is not at all conservative, it's indeed the absolute contrary to most of this sub's users' polithical view (which I perfectly respect and listen to).

Also, I think it's horrible to use violence and intimidation with partners.

Secondly, in Spain and in occidental society, my rights as a man are equal to those of a woman.

[–]gnark -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So then what are you doing on this subreddit trying to paint a picture of you being a victim of feminism? For fucks sake, the liberal feminist Spanish government just extended paternity leave to equal the same 4 months as women have maternity leave. Why not post things like that, and how the conservative assholes on the right who want to "defend" men's rights are the ones trying block extending partenity leave?

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Btw, you left out the rest of the post

Apart from the fact that femle friends have bobs and vagene ~whuch u can touch when she sleepy alcohol fun~ i find that female friends are just different than male friendships, not comparable u know Bc females and males are judt too different as to compare both, it's simply not the same. What is nice is having both

[–]gnark -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how the rest of your comment gives any more context to your "joke" about sexually assaulting your female friends when they are passed out from drinking.

[–]JoanToBa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's just that you said I'm an incel, so I wanted to show the rest of the comment, especially were I say "What's nice is having both (female and male friends)"

And maybe it's not the most appropriate joke (even less in a time where everyone gets triggered for everything) but that still doesn't make me a rapist or an incel

[–]gnark 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I guess you come off as a "nice guy" who's at a point at his life where he either grows a pair of balls and acts like a man who both respects and attracts women or he sits around crying about feminism and joking about rape and becomes an incel.

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's a lot of prejudice concentrated in a comment, but ok bro, that's your opinion, I respect it.

[–]gnark 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Prejudice? Against what? Being an asshole towards women?

[–]JoanToBa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Against what?

Well, your prejudice on MRA's or people that have a dark sense or humor or whatever you based your assumptions about me.

Being an asshole towards women?

I don't see where have I been an asshole towards women.

Prejudice?

Yeah, you basically just assumed my whole personality based on a joke and me not supporting feminism? I don't know, but don't you think that's not too mature of a thing to do.

[–]gnark 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you make creepy joke about molesting drunk friends and if I suggest that such jokes don't speak towards have much respect for women then I am "prejudiced"? You are free to have a creepy sense of humor and I am free to think you're a bit of a creep. Prejudiced would imply that I was judging you based on something other than your words and actions, like simply your presence on this subreddit.

[–]JoanToBa1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I can understand you may have gotten a creepy sensation from a not too fine joke but I don't think that's a solid enough base as to tag someone as an incel or incel that comes out as a nice guy or whatever. That's just a lot of juice to press from a grape.

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