Paternity tests now illegal in France unless ordered by a judge: offenders risk up to a year in prison and €15,000 fine, even for tests taken abroad.

C0sm1cB3ar · 2023-09-18T12:53:33+00:00

What. The. Fuck.

RoryTate · 2023-09-18T13:34:45+00:00

They'd have to change the punishment to include a minimum sentence of 18 years in prison to make it comparable against being cucked into supporting another man's child without your knowledge.

Reaper621 · 2023-09-18T13:44:31+00:00

What possible reason could there be for this? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the logic for something like that to even be considered, let alone pass into law.

optimase_prime · 2023-09-18T14:29:23+00:00

So does a pregnant woman simply have to claim you as the father and you are then on the hook? Is there any burden of proof? You took her on a coffee date once and that’s enough evidence?

63daddy · 2023-09-18T15:07:44+00:00

If you’ve committed paternity fraud, be rest assured we support you and will make any attempts to uncover your fraud not only illegal but subject to a large fine.

Sincerely: The Country of France, where defrauding men out of millions is encouraged.

SchrodingersRapist · 2023-09-18T15:18:39+00:00

How do you justify this level of intrusion into a family anyway?

There are two outcomes to a test:

1) They are the parent and therefore should have all the say over testing their child

2) They aren't the parent, but are presumed to be so without a test. Forcing them not to test under threat of imprisonment and provide for an offspring not their own, is tantamount to slavery

El-Carretero · 2023-09-18T12:47:01+00:00

What kind of shit is that? How can they tell you what you can do abroad? That's out of their jurisdiction. I hope everyone leaves that cucked country.

LAMGE2 · 2023-09-18T13:00:16+00:00

Their solution to the problem they created themselves by oppressing men and empowering feminazis was furthering their policies by advocating cheating when its done by non-loyal whores?

2023-09-18T13:24:30+00:00

What the actual f**k!

gre2704 · 2023-09-18T14:09:13+00:00

In switzerland you can also go to jail for doing a paternity test without the mothers approval. Best argument against having children.

Siganid · 2023-09-18T15:08:17+00:00

Every father denies paternity from now on. Refuse payment as a baseline.

NameIs-Already-Taken · 2023-09-18T14:28:45+00:00

This is against the best interests of honest men.

United_Reality4157 · 2023-09-18T13:22:10+00:00

this is gonna cause a antinatalism pike

Bloody_Titan · 2023-09-18T14:03:23+00:00

CUCK COUNTRY LMAOOO

brainhack3r · 2023-09-18T15:18:13+00:00

We need like a miranda rights for single men about to get married as a warning!

you have the right to remain single.
anything your wife does that's fucked up can and will be used against you in divorce proceedings. Even if she cheats on you she can take half your shit.
If you have children the courts will take them from you and give custody to your wife no matter how horrible she is
If she ever accuses you of rape or abuse then the police, the courts, your family, and your community will believe her - even if you're innocent.

.... and on and on

Codename-18 · 2023-09-18T13:22:45+00:00

This is utterly illegal.

France has jurisdiction over HER own territory, not another country. That's just a dictatorship at this point. If I smoke weed in the Netherlands, I can't be sentenced to death in the UAE, why? The fact happened in another country.

France is bullying her citizens - I mean subjects - bad, this time.

livingbeeing · 2023-09-18T14:03:11+00:00

ah, the guillotine country

Altruistic-Cold-7074 · 2023-09-18T16:34:19+00:00

The.big takeaway isn't the 15,000 fine. It's that you can't present evidence in court to legitimately deny child support

2023-09-18T16:39:20+00:00

Western civilization at its finest.

Background-Throat-88 · 2023-09-18T14:01:43+00:00

Fr*nce seriously needs another revolution

bbog3737 · 2023-09-18T13:48:47+00:00

They're literally destroying any incentive to get into a relationship and to start a family.

This is how Rome fell, I imagine, more insanity with more draconian laws being imposed until it collapsed.

Other-Tooth7789 · 2023-09-18T14:51:41+00:00

What in da fack, how the fuck this is real? Poor French man now can't even see if they kids are theys

Chudsaviet · 2023-09-18T14:41:04+00:00

2009

But still infuriating.

Hithereeveyone · 2023-09-18T15:49:31+00:00

Government wants you to pay. No matter what.

ABlindCookie · 2023-09-18T18:37:16+00:00

What exactly is the benefit, apart from excusing paternaty fraud??? There is NO other benefit, the french government is trying to cuck you and make your raise another man's kids --> and giving women an easier time to cheat...

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-09-18T13:21:49+00:00

You get the test abroad, sell everything you can and move abroad and tell them to fuck off.

mrpawsthecat · 2023-09-18T16:23:49+00:00

I want Europe to consider adultery a crime and ground for divorce

2023-09-18T17:12:05+00:00

Imagine your houses AC breaks and its 80 degrees in there. And then your idea to fix the thing being to just break the thermometer.

9chars · 2023-09-18T15:16:56+00:00

Wow talk about sexism. In what right minded man would ever stick his dick into a woman with fucking crazy insane laws like this.

WolfShaman · 2023-09-18T14:45:27+00:00

Paternity tests now illegal in France...

They've been illegal since 1994.

StarZax · 2023-09-18T16:59:16+00:00

Don't care. If I need it then I guess there must be some illegal way to do it. This shit is crazy

UltimateShame · 2023-09-18T14:46:08+00:00

Men should stop having Sex until that's fixed.

ShaidarHaran2 · 2023-09-18T15:22:41+00:00

Uh what, this is insanity. This is just setting up a bunch of innocent men to get fucked with paternity fraud.

mrpawsthecat · 2023-09-18T16:22:43+00:00

Having men cuckolds by the law, first asking your divorce and you're giving half of your property and now this? How can they be so shameless?

Lionheart27778 · 2023-09-18T18:58:52+00:00

It's likely all about government money, like most child support/divorce things.

"Not wanting to break up families" is basically code for "the government doesn't want to pay single mothers more benefits" - so hoodwink some poor sap to pay instead.

DrewYetti · 2023-09-19T12:19:41+00:00

This means that women can away with being a lying cheating slut and expect men to pay for it. It also proves that men are expected to have responsibilities without rights, it’s slavery.

WareGaKaminari · 2023-09-18T17:06:47+00:00

Not even distopian novels' laws are this criminal. There's only a reason for a law like this: exploitation of men. Fuck these people

09d0 · 2023-09-18T18:51:58+00:00

Is this an indication that women in general cannot be held accountable?

No-Cable7745 · 2023-09-18T21:33:00+00:00

France was, is and will always be a sh1thole. I am sorry if you are offended. That is my personal opinion. Western Europe in general has sunk to a very low level. Luckily I don’t live there. Best of luck.

barkmagician · 2023-09-19T03:52:59+00:00

Short answer
Divorce courts earn money from child-support.
Divorce courts earn money from alimony.
It wont be long until they make it illegal for men to stay single.

KPplumbingBob · 2023-09-18T14:24:04+00:00

But even with something like this, you'd think men would wisen up. Nope, still not going to happen.

Hornydaddy696 · 2023-09-18T15:06:40+00:00

What were the grounds?

Loud-Mathematician76 · 2023-09-18T15:10:47+00:00

this is how the goverments officially makes you a cuck! a lifelong cuck of the g-man!

baldestpianoman · 2023-09-18T18:10:30+00:00

Let’s see how France starts to see nobody is having kids

unfoldedmite · 2023-09-18T15:52:53+00:00

Guess I'm never going to France.

It's not worth the possible risks as a man. it's better to have plausible deniability of never having been in the country.

So it goes.

Cotehill · 2023-09-18T16:05:11+00:00

I never thought I would ever proclaim abstinence as the only way to stay ahead in life. The juice is no longer worth the squeeze. Pay for it once a month with a professional and just have lots of friends, but forget the benefits. There are none.

silvrado · 2023-09-18T16:06:39+00:00

How to kill relationships 101. Juice is not worth the squeeze fellas.

JACSliver · 2023-09-18T16:40:39+00:00

I would certainly not blame the younger generations of French men if they chose not to renew the population of that country anytime soon as long as that cheating-encouraging, cuckold-creating conundrum is kept as it is.

AnnArchist · 2023-09-18T17:24:02+00:00

That seems like the dumbest possible solution to the problem.

MaxiMuscli · 2023-09-18T17:38:02+00:00

Now? If you only bothered to look up the penal code provisions it is since 1994, a criminalization of processing DNA “to find out about genetic characteristics” without consent. This fits into the general trend of data protection in Europe and is not specific to family relations. The question of course is who can consent for a child: In France it is the legal parents collectively for everything.

The applicability of material criminal law to offences possibly committed abroad, i.e. whether you can commit an offence according to a jurisdiction other than of the country you are currently in, is another question, about which there is no specific provision here, but the general rules in the “general dispositions” to the penal code apply, but I would not trust the Wikipedia authors to succeed in that much abstraction: The claim is actually unsourced according to their standards. And you believe all political content on that crowdsourced encyclopedia? 😂

Cucked by Wikipedia. One can’t do such lists lacking specialized legal understanding. It would be quite easy to hijack their legal articles in family law because leftoid dimwits patrolling them while smoking pot have little clue about the vagaries. The legal situation is alike in Germany, insufficiently portrayed on this Wikipedia article. Genetic testing is practically still effective and well unpunished, also in complicated cases like surrogate mothers residing in the US, forbidden internally in Germany but recognized by private international law. There is actually a lot that is ordre public interne but not ordre public international in either country. This of course only as examples, the bulk of EU countries can’t be worse. Unlike in common law, there is general reasoning determining continental civil law decisions, perhaps this is why underclass Britain didn’t like it, in preference of imbalanced “equal splits” (which we don’t have) and the most horrendous fees known from any legal system. But nobody promised that you won’t experience any problems if you stick your dick in evil. Children are problems, that was always sure, and democratic procedures won’t exactly change this, if not some great societal change tantamount to a new religion.

Shreddersaurusrex · 2023-09-18T18:12:46+00:00

Don’t get married or have kids in France

Ice_Dapper · 2023-09-18T19:06:03+00:00

Anything to protect 304s and their degenerate lifestyles. The West is so lost. There is a reason why you don't see any of this in Islamic countries

Njaulv · 2023-09-18T19:10:28+00:00

The year in prison seems significantly worse than the fine. Though I love that the reasons include to keep the peace of the family. So bogus.

EarnMeowShower · 2023-09-18T19:14:51+00:00

Only men who don't care whether their offspring are theirs or not have been reproducing since this went into effect in 1994. This will have negative consequences for their gene pool.

denvercaniac · 2023-09-18T19:21:41+00:00

This is so incredibly inhumane. Please get vasectomies asap, French men.

knight3m9 · 2023-09-18T19:33:18+00:00

Nope I would be breaking that law. I am not gonna be cucked with the assistance of the government.

gnarlin · 2023-09-18T20:05:10+00:00

One point I don't see talked about enough on this issue is that policies like this rob the actual fathers of their children.

Normal-Yogurtcloset5 · 2023-09-18T22:49:29+00:00

Western society bends over backwards to protect women from accountability. If this is the path society wants to take then the best option for men is to opt out in order to reduce the chance of state supported paternity fraud.

althaf7788 · 2023-09-19T00:04:26+00:00

President is Emmanuel Macron, what can anyone can expect from him,lol did anyone remember his story of banging his teacher and coerce her kid's into liking him by money and position and how he make his wife's EX Pariaha and make sure never his name come out,and even hell he and his wife stopped his kid's from telling public about their dad death until his some deal or public meetings completed

g1455ofwater · 2023-09-19T00:58:31+00:00

How are men systemically oppressed?

This right here is one of the answers.

Fofotron_Antoris · 2023-09-19T02:09:25+00:00

I don't know how french men can accept this atrocity. The government has literally made it a law that they could be cheated on and forced to raise a non-related child, without any other option.

r_c29 · 2023-09-19T10:47:04+00:00

This is so fucked. Even through other countries, also insane.

deadlycatch · 2023-09-19T11:18:03+00:00

Clown world

etzio500 · 2023-09-24T09:12:20+00:00

My girl and I had an argument ‘cause she said she has no sympathy for men who get fucked over by this, her reasoning being that women have been dealing with unfair laws and unfair treatment since forever and so she finds it hard to sympathize when men get that treatment back. I told her two wrongs don’t make a right and that this is bad for women as well, but I don’t think I convinced her of anything.

mr-pupp · 2023-09-18T16:44:36+00:00

Man, france is just a circus pretending to be a country

Planimation4life · 2023-09-18T19:23:10+00:00

Western laws for men are getting out of hand, i think these days if you want to look for a women go to east Asia

funnyman4000 · 2023-09-18T16:15:06+00:00

Guys this is our fault. Last time the French paternity test thing was posted on this sub the majority agreed we would just go to a different country for the paternity test. They must be subscribed, because clearly they closed the loophole cuz of us lol.

GimmeeSomeMo · 2023-09-18T17:22:19+00:00

Ron Swanson was right that France is indeed terrible

MonkeSquad · 2023-09-18T21:40:46+00:00

Ok wtf is wrong with them

MonkeSquad · 2023-09-18T21:44:06+00:00

So fucking stupid in most places fathers are basically 2nd class citizens

AgentOrangeMRA · 2023-09-18T22:05:24+00:00

Stop....fucking....women.Seriously, daddy government will do everything in the power to uphold the feminist machine. They need to make sure as many bastards as possible have a beta male provider in order to make sure the women who cuckhold their husbands don't turn to the government for support when their crotch spawn turns out to be the chad's who got their pussy wet at the company party.Don't marry.Don't cohabitate.Don't fuck them.

BEEZ128 · 2023-09-18T23:12:39+00:00

Yeah… FUCK THAT. Hell fucking no. I’m not gonna be forced to raise another man’s kids while being made to believe they’re mine. Did I say FUCK THAT already? Massive L for France.

cuppa_tea_4_me · 2023-09-18T23:41:06+00:00

The fine is worth it

Reasonable_Listen514 · 2023-09-19T00:15:07+00:00

15k Euros is cheap compared to 18 years of paying for another man's kid.

XandMan70 · 2023-09-19T00:34:43+00:00

Well, guess I'm never living in France!

rabel111 · 2023-09-19T00:40:59+00:00

The French fascist government has made it a crime for fathers to know whether they are the biologicval parent of their children. This disgusting sexist law places all the power of family relationshiops in the hands of women, with men's rights being imprisoned in an expensive, hostile legal service that has no respect for men's rights, and possibly more importantly, makes no distinction between the whims of women and the rights of children to know their biological parents.

This law is the most sexist, oppressive and callous act of any democracy in recent times, systematically depriving vast sections of the community of their natural human rights, the rights to have their OWN children, on the basis of their sex.

Feeling smug? Who will they come for next?

justthinkingabout1 · 2023-09-19T01:50:05+00:00

Cheaper for the government to make some random dude the father to work and pay.

Zefram71 · 2023-09-19T02:05:50+00:00

That's insane, if the mother agrees they should be able to do it. A court order should only be required if one of the parents doesn't consent!

Mountainking7 · 2023-09-19T04:16:52+00:00

Let's say you still go ahead and do it, and the child is not yours, are you still liable for child support?????

Mountainking7 · 2023-09-19T04:18:40+00:00

It'd wild in the first place that the 'law' prevents someone from knowing if the child is theirs.... I mean, at this point, the West and it's 'liberties' is just a mirage.....

How can the state even police this crap is beyond me....

Mechanik_J · 2023-09-19T05:24:58+00:00

So a lot of French people cheat? Seems kind of fucked up, man.

4027777 · 2023-09-19T06:20:46+00:00

Absolutely ridiculous. How do the French not loudly oppose this

WentToGetCigarettes · 2023-09-19T06:21:22+00:00

"You looked at my child? Give me money mr man!!" Lmfao. Wut

vegansoymilk · 2023-09-19T10:16:03+00:00

Don't marry, don't have children, have a vasectomy, problem solved.

NumerousStruggle4488 · 2023-09-19T12:15:50+00:00

French wikipedia

[Paternity fraud] can have various motivations, mainly to obtain a pension from the alleged father to the mother, or to obtain the father's nationality for the child and a visa for the mother.

This type of swindle, formerly punishable under laws criminalizing adultery, no longer attracts any legal sanction in France since adultery has been decriminalized.

So a mother can give birth without the father's consent but the father (he automatically is if married) cannot do a simple thing like a DNA test dafuq... I understand why MGTOW 😢

HotRaise4194 · 2023-09-19T22:35:27+00:00

I’d love to know the rationale for this law.

Edit - went and found out for myself, it’s about strengthening the family unit and is looking out for the children involved(who are innocent but will be the ones to suffer from a negative paternity test)-

The French Council of State has described the law's purpose as upholding the "French regime of filiation" and preserving "the peace of families."

mrmensplights · 2023-09-20T00:31:57+00:00

What is the justification for this? Or, are we at the point where we just have an unmitigated, shameless, free for all in using and abusing men?

The French Council of State has described the law's purpose as upholding the "French regime of filiation" and preserving "the peace of families."

Oh. It really is.

nowhere_near_paris · 2023-09-18T16:40:03+00:00

Practically speaking, where's the actual problem here?

No man should ever concede that they're the father. You should demand evidence, always. Live by the principle, "You are not the father by default". Let them prove it before you sign anything.

If you're going around 'secretly' getting DNA confirmation, you've left it too late because even if you've been cucked, the courts will make you pay anyway.

Ecstatic_Chard_774 · 2023-09-19T22:00:47+00:00

Purposely turning men and women into enemies. Think of all the govt can do to help.........women this is not in your best interest. You are being used.

Cerda_Sunyer · 2023-09-18T14:13:22+00:00

It's not as bad as it sounds.

This mostly means that no French company is allowed to sell DNA tests for recreational purposes like genealogy. And that French people shouldn’t have their DNA tested outside of a medical facility.

However, no one has ever been fined for buying a direct-to-consumer DNA test. And more and more French people have had their DNA tested anyway, by buying kits to DNA testing companies abroad.

23andme and FamilyTreeDNA have been selling DNA tests in France the longest. But none of their websites are available in French, which is an obstacle for some French people.

MyHeritage started selling in France in 2018, and they have done a lot of advertisement for their tests, on TV and through Youtube videos. They are also the only ones who provide information in French. So this is where most French people buy their DNA tests nowadays.

sawlight · 2023-09-18T15:23:19+00:00

Guaranteed you'll never go to prison or ever faced a fine for this, at worst you'll get a mention on your criminal record. Remember France is a haven for criminals, most of rapes are trialed as "sexual assaults", and the average time spent in jail for a crime is 5 years (for non life sentences only). A famous example is Jawad Bendaoud who killed his friend with a meat cleaver and only spent 7 years behind bars.

michaelpaoli · 2023-09-19T01:19:05+00:00

Well ... I guess sort'a kind'a maybe that can make some sense?

I mean if a paternity test is gonna be done, it ought happen pretty dang early on ... like when the kid is born, or certainly within the first year, if not much sooner than that.

And I think mandatory paternity tests at birth probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

But ... doing paternity tests when the kid is older ... 2 years, 4 years, 7 years, 10 years ... 13 years ... that's nasty and often will super majorly f*ck up a kids life over something that's not at all their fault.

So, if there's any serious question about paternity, that sh*t ought get figured and sorted out as soon as feasible. Not years after the kid is born - that's just utter sh*t for at least the kid, when it's not the kid's fault.

purpose as upholding the "French regime of filiation" and preserving "the peace of families.

And, yeah, that makes sense. If there's any question at all, raise it early, and get it settled early. Don't go f*ckin' over people's lives years later when that sh*t should'a been sorted out way sooner.

How would you feel, say at 12 years old, if the person you've always known as your dad, gets a paternity test done, finds out you're not biologically his, and completely and totally abandons you forever going total no contact. Sound fair? Or more notably does that sound fair compared to having determined paternity before you were even old enough to form any longer-term memories of who that other dude was - and instead they got that sh*t sorted out way early on, and you never even knew that person who wasn't your biodad - and thus you never ended up with them ripping themselves out of your life after you were very much attached to them as "dad". So, yeah, if there's issue/contention/question/doubt, bring that sh*t up early ... not years or more down the line.

dibberdott · 2023-09-18T15:41:16+00:00

Yes some laws are stupid, and have no goal. Buy a lot of laws are to support a short coming in another law. This appears to be one of those laws. So what law is it supporting? Are there laws that say a women can't accuse? Interesting needs looked into.

redockedre · 2023-09-18T16:23:59+00:00

You are always subject to the laws of your home nation even while abroad. True for every nation.

tomukurazu · 2023-09-18T20:12:52+00:00

well, it's fr*nce🤷🏻‍♂️

MembershipWooden6160 · 2023-09-18T21:48:07+00:00

Will not stop a thing. people will be taking samples and sending abroad, criminalizing it will not stop the trend, it will only make even more men being prone to quit on kids over mere thought that they aren't their own and they cannot find a (legal) way to confirm it without compromising the whole relationship with the mother, which yet again means the same - since they are seen as "optional" parent anyways.

ThwartBunskjold · 2023-09-18T22:23:47+00:00

A while back I noticed that in the U.S. home paternity test kits are available on amazon.com as well as OTC in pharmacies and grocery stores. If a person carries one of these test kits into France and uses it among consenting adults, are they really going to charge those persons specifically for *using* the test kit?

I can't read the statues and haven't found them translated to English, presumably there's further detail. In the Wikpedia article France does stick out as more primitive than most places on this issue.

Forsaken_Platypus_32 · 2023-09-19T03:09:41+00:00

and just like that.....I no longer want to live in france.

2023-09-19T10:07:21+00:00

this story is 13 years old.

Derpalator · 2023-09-19T10:10:13+00:00

so is it if they even just take a test, or is it only if they try to use the test to argue in court that they ain't the daddy and should not have to pay for the little bastard?

r_c29 · 2023-09-19T10:17:11+00:00

This is fuckin wild

NeonCityNights · 2023-09-19T14:19:44+00:00

fyi paternity testing in France has been illegal for decades, because as was said "they wanted to keep the peace"

Delicious-Agency-824 · 2023-09-19T14:24:42+00:00

Just curious. So in France, how do you ensure that a child is yours?

Can you sign a contract saying that I am only allowed to do child support of the child is mine?

Or what?

BlackMesaIncident · 2023-09-19T18:41:32+00:00

Keep that judge on a G-tining list.

trashtony69 · 2023-09-19T20:01:58+00:00

This is beyond fucked.

Busy_Reporter4017 · 2023-09-20T09:13:15+00:00

The #Patriarchy!!!

DueIntroduction5964 · 2023-09-20T09:24:43+00:00

I live in France and didn't even knew that. But what the fuck ?! I think men are way too much discriminated against in France .. I mean really too much.

2023-09-30T21:27:24+00:00

Link?

Independent_Score217 · 2023-10-09T22:00:40+00:00

So...? Just avoid women, withdrawal all labor value from the economy and take a vacation.

Title	Paternity tests now illegal in France unless ordered by a judge: offenders risk up to a year in prison and €15,000 fine, even for tests taken abroad.
Author	C0sm1cB3ar
Upvotes	1811
Comments	231
Date	September 18, 2023 12:42 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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