Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?

QuantumHalyard · 2024-07-06T22:25:21+00:00

I saw it, felt exactly the same. But I held my tongue at the time because my girlfriend had been bored through Oppenheimer beforehand (excellent movie, very much enjoyed it) and so I didn’t want to complain about her movie.

We chatted a bit later though and she brought up the same points you just have and I then spoke to her and found we agreed entirely that it’s backwards and demeaning

FoxxeeFree · 2024-07-06T22:40:37+00:00

I've seen it. The sad thing thing is, it had a lot of potential. Also, the whole "it's impossible to be a woman speech" is cringe. Someone could easily make a male version. "Society wants to you to express your emotions, but you can't express TOO much emotion because then you'll be mocked." Etc.

RandHomman · 2024-07-06T22:36:17+00:00

Some women and too many men live in denial and will excuse any bs that undermines men to uplift women. Listening to them you'd think they live in a fantasy violent movie where the plot is men always chase, beat, enslave and r*pe women the minute they can and Patriarchy is the big boss giving magic to all men through misogynistic psychic powers. Only their bear riding goddess in a sparkling white armor can topple and repel misogyny and put an end to the tyranny and let flowers and bunnies live in peace.

hottake_toothache · 2024-07-07T12:59:49+00:00

The Barbie movie shows women being narcissists who are incapable of love--and the women of the world shouted, "Yes, that's us." I watched the whole thing and thought, "Yep, that's them."

Ken is literally made for Barbie, but she has no interest in him. Instead, she is fascinated by her clothes and her hair, and looking in the mirror.

She is so self-satisfied, until a thought comes into her head that she didn't plan for, and then her whole fragile house-of-cards attitude towards life comes crumbling down, leading her to a wild, chaotic swing. Too real.

tiredfromlife2019 · 2024-07-06T22:12:22+00:00

Never saw it as I don't care about barbie.

Speaking for myself and I'm not sure if this applies to all men but in my experience, men don't go looking into female media for the most part. We stick to what we as men enjoy.

It's women that demand access to our media

As you can see with Star Wars where it was a boy brand that then seeks to become a girl brand but cloaks with it's meant to be for everyone.

So I can't really answer your question in good faith

Successful_Video_970 · 2024-07-07T00:33:45+00:00

Yes Yes and Yes and I had an argument with my fiancé about if it was a Ken movie and role reverse that. They’re would have been an outcry from woman’s liberation groups. Double standards everywhere

DissociativeRuin · 2024-07-07T08:08:48+00:00

Women will express their real thoughts and beliefs but when probed immediately back track and shut down. If you press they will get upset and offended even if you try to be careful because they don't want to think they want to feel. The frustration they feel (aka being logically inconsistent) feels like abuse and you are seen as causing that abuse .

So most women believe awful things about men but will never change. That's why most many men don't respect women.

LongDongSamspon · 2024-07-07T11:25:52+00:00

Barbie the movie as a concept was Mattel’s marketing strategy to basically say to the public of women buying dolls for their daughters - “hey, remember that controversy about whether Barbies cause bad body image in girls? Well forget it and look over there, aren’t men toxic?” - it was a sleight of hand to get feminists on side and like morons they lapped it up.

Barbie as far as the movie made by Greta Gerwig - is a negative portrayal of one identity group (men) which is basically the equivalent of some 1940’s racist cartoon made for an audience of white people to laugh at a twisted stereotype of black people, except made for feminist women to laugh at a twisted stereotype of men. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit if a character of any group is shown badly or for sex appeal or even objectified (man or woman) - but when you portray a large cast of males as all stupider than the females, in need of moral correction, and the butt of the joke and that movie is an intentional commentary on gender then that is an obviously bigoted portrayal in intention.

ThrowWideTheGates · 2024-07-06T22:49:07+00:00

I saw it because I liked Greta Gerwig’s Ladybird and Little Women, but Barbie was definitely not as funny as I was hoping it would be and overly preachy and reductive.

People in general like feeling like the victim, there must be some sort of dopamine rush about feeling attacked and people don’t like talking accountability for their problems. People like self-pity and having that self-pity validated. And this is especially true for feminism and why people buy into it. That whole rant by America Ferrera definitely had me roll my eyes. There’s concrete evidence that both women and men tend to view women in a more favorable light. Women in general have an in group bias that men don’t have. I think it’s why women can be eager to believe feminism, and men don’t get into MRA as much and let feminism go on like it has. So yeah, that rant is just untrue.

Like yeah, idk, everyone and every demographic has issues unique to them. But in this day and age in the west, women aren’t as disadvantaged as feminists like people to believe. I’m all for women being independent and empowered, but that movie shows that feminism is about trying to get more power by playing the victim and men giving them power because they’re the victim rather than them getting it through their own hard work

quantumMechanicForev · 2024-07-07T00:32:05+00:00

You’re right. It’s propaganda. It’s scary how many people unquestioningly went with its narrative, no thoughts, no deeper look, just bought it because it fits the ideology. Disgusting.

WeeklyGreen8522 · 2024-07-07T01:27:47+00:00

It's like the handmaid's tale. Some people love playing the victim.

JettandTheo · 2024-07-07T01:10:04+00:00

I enjoyed the story up until Barbie teaches the other barbies how to trick the men.

The politics was so dumb. Just like the feminist Ghostbusters making the secretary a dumb bimbo instead of semi helpful, the creators have a very dumb version of the movies and reality.

The fascist line was hilarious

EOD_Bad_Karma · 2024-07-07T01:14:21+00:00

I saw the movie and my take was as follows:

It’s a called “the Barbie movie”. So, obviously Ken is going to be a side character.

But, it went so far off in the extreme that it might as well be a “men’s rights activist” movie.

Ken’s are so disrespected in “Barbie land” that the Barbie’s don’t even know where they all live. They’re all basically homeless and/or invisible.

The “main ken” was literally made and designed to be with Barbie. But, he is not what she wants and is never “good enough”.

It’s “always Barbie’s night at Barbie’s house”, never a “Ken’s night”.

Ken is so deprived of any sort of affection, that a literal stranger asking him for the time causes him to feel recognized in society. So much so, he wears two watches later on.

Literally everything Ken does, is to try and get Barbie’s attention and approval. Even when he takes over Barbie land, he is STILL trying to get her approval.

And Barbie’s method of “getting Barbie land” back? Was to manipulate the Ken’s to all fight each other. Literally not caring if they all killed each other in the process while they “voted Barbie land back into place”.

I could go on. But you get the idea.

I did like the movie, but the message I got from it was wildly different than the message most people I know received.

Tangentially, Ken is the original simp incel, and men should not be like Ken. Ignore Barbie, do your own thing and you’ll be more successful. Because as soon as Ken changed and took over Barbie land, he was in fact, more successful.

generisuser037 · 2024-07-07T10:01:09+00:00

to all of you saying "it's just a movie about a toy, it doesn't matter." would you say the same about a movie around a boy's toy where a girl counterpart was portrayed as a useless, predatorial antagonist that ruins everything? my guess is no.

isn't it funny how we are only told that xyz doesn't matter and to just brush things off when it negatively affect men and when it promotes feminism?

if it were just a movie about a toy I would agree with you, but it wasn't, let's look at the message the movie actually promoted, not the fact that it's "just about a doll."

MonkeyMonkz · 2024-07-07T05:35:35+00:00

No, and I don't plan to.

__DannyBoy · 2024-07-07T04:56:34+00:00

Nope, and I don’t plan to. It’s a sexist and emasculating movie that is damaging to young boys

MozartFan5 · 2024-07-06T22:27:49+00:00

Nope, and never will watch that White female-victimhood movie. As a Mestizo man of significant Amerindian descent who has experienced a lot of hardships based on my race and being born male the amount of complaining I hear from privileged White (settler colonizer) women is ridiculous. They are by far the largest and most privileged group of people in America with the most (disproportionate) amount of voting power of any racial-gender group. Plus they benefit enormously from colorism and the White beauty standard. Sad that so many brown-skinned girls bleach their skin to look like future Karens.

ConsiderationSea1347 · 2024-07-06T22:37:36+00:00

I saw it. I have a hunch the movie was received differently than Greta Gerwig, a rare conservative working in Hollywood, intended. There were some sharp barbs in it cutting into the role women play in gender dynamics that may have been unintentional or overlooked to keep it cast as a pure girl power movie.

Ken is the only character with growth in the movie. Anthony Burgess once said the only way a story comes to a conclusion is when the protagonist has grown. None of the Barbies grew or changed. The movie concludes with the Barbies reverting to their old ways of running Barbie World, but Ken has developed a sense of identity outside of Barbie.

Everyone was happier in the patriarchy. When Barbie’s were in charge, the kens were miserable, but in the patriarchy the Barbie’s were happy and discovered love and enjoyed the comedic machoisms. They even seemed to enjoy falling into their role in society as traditional women.

The Barbies used sex to “win” at the climax of the movie. Sit with that. A feminist movie’s core statement was women cannot compete with men in a fair society without sleeping their way to power.

Greta hasn’t discussed the movie much to offer clarity, but she did say she was surprised that men saw it as offensive as many of us have. I think she tried to make a much more nuanced statement about gender but feminism co-opted her message and tried to turn it from a movie about how we are all caught in a cyclic gender war we all propagate to a “man bad woman good” message.

Statistician_Visual · 2024-07-07T00:14:11+00:00

Trash movie with bad acting and storyline outside of the narrative

Background_Lunch8466 · 2024-07-07T11:19:07+00:00

There's a lot to break apart in this discourse here, I wanted to be excited for this movie, because of the trailer.

This may be a complete dumb take, but I didn't really catch any "predatory" behavior from the Ken's.

What I did wonder is, where the fuck do they sleep?

They had no houses. And the Barbies didn't care. It definitely was the flavor of feminism that I feel women (like myself) don't want. That's not equality, that was a dictatorship.

BelCantoTenor · 2024-07-07T12:00:03+00:00

I saw it and I agree. It felt like a feminist propaganda machine that portrayed men as a bunch on self indulgent idiots. It also promoted the false agenda that women can rule the world completely without men whatsoever. And that’s not true and never has been true. Women have had equal access to education and workplace roles for decades, and most women have not choosen to take the roles that men naturally gravitate towards. Most engineers, mathematicians, architects, politicians, and leadership positions are men. Men are responsible for literally everything that society is built upon. Everything. Yes, women do work in every profession, and have invented and created many many things that have benefited society on many levels. This is true. Men have invented, cultivated, and created nearly everything that we all use every single day. Aside from the nursing profession, there no example of a female dominated profession that began with, and relays upon the consistent input from, and participation of women that all of society benefits from on a daily basis. If there is please enlighten me. But, when I see this false narrative pushed as a feminist girl power agenda I just roll my eyes. Because it’s just not true. And with equal access for so long, has never come to be true.

I’m a man who has been working in a female dominated profession for 25+ years (nursing). 90-95% of nurses are women. It has never been like that in my experience. Women are not anymore effective as leaders than men are. They just aren’t. Men excel in nursing because, by comparison, they stand out in a crowd of women. They excel in leadership roles. And I believe that to be true in many aspects of the workforce. Nothing is holding women back but themselves. I’ve never known of any man who doesn’t let someone excel in the workplace to their best, based solely upon gender. Men aren’t the barriers to the success of women. Women are. Women are definitely not supportive of women. They get viscous and petty, or ambivalent, as almost a knee jerk reaction. The herd mentality when women get together is very different than that of men. Women, in my experience, aren’t focused, don’t work well as a team, allow for more infighting, complain a lot, and aren’t as effective than teams of men. I’m certain that there are sociological research articles published about this exact topic. But, I digress.

The Barbie movie overall was fun, entertaining, made me laugh and cry a little, but overall it pushed a wildly false narrative about blaming men on their own limitations, and painting men as simple, stupid, and easily manipulated.

63daddy · 2024-07-07T14:28:00+00:00

Men being portrayed as useless tools that prey on women and many women agreeing.

That shows the extent of the propaganda. There was a post here some tine ago showing that most of the violence against women by men comes from a very small minority of men. Yet we see success efforts to portray this as most men or men in general.

More women than men commit infanticide, but we don’t go around blaming all women as a result.

Repogirl757 · 2024-07-06T22:05:33+00:00

Not into Barbie, never saw it.

PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS · 2024-07-06T22:49:06+00:00

I saw it, and liked big parts of it, but the ending especially made it clear and explicit that men are the Bad Guys and women are the Good People. I think Ken is actually a pretty good portrayal of how men are told to act vs how men are rewarded for acting, vs how men want to act in a vacuum.

In Barbieland originally, Ken is basically infantilized and stripped of most of his agency, and for the tiny bits of agency he does have, he's strictly relegated to a subservient, if not explicitly dehumanizing role.

When he finds the outside world, and is given things he didn't have before (more validation, authority, agency & independence) he understandably loves it. Look how good it could be? Look at the people that were keeping me from this??

A lot of his second act behavior is performative, lashing out at the women who controlled him, but in a spurned BFF way, not a malicious way. He seems just... absent of any malice. He's not shown manipulating, demeaning, or physically controlling anyone: he found a new way of life, and is naively showing everyone what he found, and he believes it's better, naively, because he feels better, and doesn't understand how bad intentions could twist it. Supporting this, he doesn't really try to hold on to the reins of power when the women take it back away from him.

The things that he does pursue most in the second act section are self exploration and playing with his friends.

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If the ending had both Ken and Barbie realizing that both of 'their' ways were deeply flawed, and pursuing a third way together, I would get behind this a lot more, but the ending explicitly puts women 'back on top' and takes lots of jabs at men on the way out, which really soured it for me. I'd have to watch it again though.

The people avoiding watching it at all though confuse me. It's Robbie and Gosling, and it's a solidly made movie regardless, it's worth the watch.

Silmariel · 2024-07-07T09:12:37+00:00

I agree with you.

My lived experience is not that I am suffering in a male patriarchy or that men are useless. I find it offensive on so many levels that men some of whom I love, are portrayed more and more as though masculinity in itself is some kind of toxic black hole and that they are all potential rapists and murderers or just lying in wait to opress or use a woman, or that they are useless to us as emotional partners. I think it hurts all of us to reduce and other one half of us. All of us can turn out wrong. Turn out to be useless assholes. Can become toxic partners. Its not a male specific quality in ANY way shape or form.

So, I celebrate my guys every day with compliments and love because they deserve both as much as any woman.

At this point my knee jerk respons to anything that is uplifting to women, is to look for how it opresses men, or removes them for any consideration regardless of merit. I also vehemently support equality - INCLUDING equal responsibility for all functions in society, including the not so boardroom type jobs as well as the draft.

LokisDawn · 2024-07-07T11:10:53+00:00

Best way to argue against Feminism is to let Feminists speak. Or make a movie, in this case.

You are absolutely right, and I think it's overt enough that some people who weren't doubting the hegemonic thought (Feminism) at all still realised how one-sided this idea is. Ryan Renolds doing a lot for that purpose, just can't hate him.

Jiujitsuizlyfe · 2024-07-07T11:35:15+00:00

I didn’t watch the Barbie movie but that’s what I felt about the new predator movie. This 16 year old tribal girl was better and smarter than some of humanities best warriors and hunters. She also took a blow to the face that would have dazed Arnold in the last fight scene.

thelogicbox · 2024-07-07T15:12:14+00:00

The entire narrative around Barbie is trash. I watched Oppenheimer instead. I would never waste a second of my existence on a Barbie movie.

Witty-Bear1120 · 2024-07-07T20:47:33+00:00

Yes, it was crap. Men were just supposed to sleep outside overnight? And when they did something to get housing, they’re the evil ones.

cum_dragon · 2024-07-07T22:50:39+00:00

“It’s real!”

Ahh yes, I remember the first time my fiancé went rollerblading on Venice Beach and the immediate thirst thing that happened to her was a random man coming up to her and slapping her on the arse…

AnonymousJoe35 · 2024-07-08T01:38:45+00:00

Yeah it's feminist garbage'

Nobleone11 · 2024-07-08T03:06:34+00:00

One thing that truly turned me off the movie (not that there were plenty of other reasons, one being I'm not the primary market ergo have no interest in seeing it) is their depiction of the world outside as this oppressive, Patriarchal counterpart to Barbie World's Matriarchy. Where men are free to, say, slap female strangers on their ass without repercussion as demonstrated in the trailer.

To this day, I cannot look at that and roll my eyes so far back into my head since Reality is as much under Matriarchal Rule.

And any man who slaps a woman on the ass in public will either:

A) Get slapped in the face

B) Accused of Sexual Harassement

With the added bonus of any Male White Knights in the vicinity taking it upon themselves to enact mob justice in favor of the fair damsel.

CutiePie0023 · 2024-07-06T22:41:05+00:00

No and don’t want to lol

deconstruct2012 · 2024-07-07T08:05:30+00:00

I saw it, I thought it was dumb and boring.

Spins13 · 2024-07-07T08:53:52+00:00

The movie is a cash grab and a move to give more steam to the brand. Don’t look too much into it. It will tell women what they want to hear. You scarcely take money from people when you upset them or make them think a bit too much

zqmvco99 · 2024-07-07T09:51:25+00:00

Thank you for keeping an open mind and helping humanity retain its unity.

IamTheConstitution · 2024-07-07T11:17:08+00:00

There is a bigger problem too. They keep belittling men and they won’t fight in the next war like we did before. Men will stop caring.

Evaar_IV · 2024-07-07T11:25:07+00:00

What label can we give to women like you, and where can we find your kind? 😭😭😭

falkenSenf7 · 2024-07-07T15:31:30+00:00

Hey, I'm a woman too and I hated that movie. It's the same agenda all over again. It's exhausting. I can only imagine how exhausting it is for men.

JoryATL · 2024-07-07T15:37:58+00:00

I watched it. It didn’t bother me personally it’s a Barbie movie. I didn’t watch it to identify with any of the characters. Ryan gosling clearly stole the show to see all the women be mad about that is probably the worst thing about it. He was much more charismatic than anyone else in the movie and deserved all his praise, I pretty much tuned out all of the sub text on the gender wars and just watched it for what it was. If you disagree I’ll beach you off.

Aakao25 · 2024-07-06T23:03:44+00:00

Never saw it and not interested in seeing it. Then again, I'm still stuck in the 80s and 90s when it comes to movies.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2024-07-07T02:20:24+00:00

Couldn’t sit through the first 15 minutes.

East-Advance1284 · 2024-07-07T03:09:24+00:00

I liked Barbie world better better after ken took over

MikiSayaka33 · 2024-07-07T04:20:34+00:00

The only three good things about the movie is Ken/Ryan, the Mattel CEO (Despite that he's borderline worthless), and that the movie is a gauge for men to see if a potential girlfriend is crazy or has a good head on her shoulders.

Yes, I have seen it. But it has a few interesting ideas. But it's suffocating underneath the misrandry.

Note: I'm jealous that movie has a CEO that cares about the IP, the fictional Mattel CEO cares that Barbieland is in trouble, despite that the "reality" warping stuff that Ken was doing is giving him dough. If it was Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy and the actual Mattel CEO, they would let Ken win and are too clueless/incompetent to do Jack. - Because Barbie is "problematic", due to the doll's infamous rep (Yes, those real life CEOs and high ranking guys want certain IPs gone, because they're either "problematic" or the fandom population is largely men. I have too many franchises that "died", due to this).

Agreeable_Orchid2641 · 2024-07-06T23:20:05+00:00

I saw with my ex because they forced me to go at opening day. Personally was not my thing due to the sexist safe edgy humor and it just not being an IP I care about.

GOATEDITZ · 2024-07-06T23:45:40+00:00

I did saw it. It was, meh. Some good concepts ig

Jaded-Help1860 · 2024-07-07T00:31:03+00:00

Not my kind of movie, but I chose not to badmouth it just because of that. I was more interested in Oppenheimer because I’m a Nolan fan and wanted to see at least one film he made, in cinemas. I can see why some would find it boring but even as someone who doesn’t know much about physics and other scientific stuff I loved it.

However, I was very disappointed when some women on social media outright claimed that people in India booking Oppenheimer tickets instead of Barbie were being misogynistic. Yeah, Oppenheimer was a greater success here in India because Nolan has a bigger fanbase but somehow that became misogyny as well.

Also while the trailer for Barbie seemed like a fun comedy, the way female viewers in particular tried to project it as something men should learn from showed me the true colours. I even saw a reel using clips from the promos and stating “A man can never love a woman the way another woman does”. I was taken aback.

I don’t hate the film because I’m a cinephile and I don’t have this hate-without-seeing policy but I do hate it when people try to present it as if it’s some necessary watch due to its feminist messaging. Simply not my cup of tea, especially after the comments and hatred we Indian men had to face from Indian women because we simply didn’t want to see it. Plus being single ensured that I got to enjoy a visually stunning biopic without worrying how my girlfriend, if I had one, would react to my cinematic choices.

Street_Conflict_9008 · 2024-07-06T23:11:32+00:00

Barbie is for young girls and for that demographic, I haven't seen it at all.

Gone are the days action movies were for boys. Where boys debated who was better, Stallone or Schwarzenegger, as an action hero?

SchwiftedMetal · 2024-07-07T03:58:21+00:00

Havent seen it and dont wanna

SchlongBerry · 2024-07-07T06:40:39+00:00

Ken was fun to watch

Expert_Funny_9337 · 2024-07-07T08:49:16+00:00

No, Nyet, I'm not interested

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-07-07T10:51:43+00:00

If you dig down a little you'll see that toy commercial was the talk of the sub for a while. Nobody was amused.

swm412 · 2024-07-07T11:01:50+00:00

I haven’t seen it as I have no interest in watching. Even my nieces that all had Barbies didn’t see it.

I’m thinking that the next Barbie movie will introduce two new characters. Chad, Barbie’s new love interest that has the three sixes and a still unnamed bear character.

abarua01 · 2024-07-07T12:26:18+00:00

I watched it with my niece. I felt it was really misandrist

Zipdox · 2024-07-07T12:32:12+00:00

Your mistake is taking the movie seriously or trying to extrapolate a "message". If anything the movie satirizes feminism in my opinion.

beta__greg · 2024-07-07T13:55:42+00:00

After hearing about it, I couldn't wait to see it, but I was disappointed when I did see it. The overall point that patriarchy infantalizes women and treats them ridiculously was made well through caricature, but the addition of trans and genderqueer people diluted the overall message. And the story line wasn't very interesting.

RektFreak · 2024-07-07T14:52:11+00:00

I watched and felt it was a movie. I don't read politics or societal issues in things I watch. I watch to be entertained. That said, I still didn't think it was great. It had its moments, but mostly I wouldn't watch it a second time.

fffrdcrrf · 2024-07-07T16:56:51+00:00

No, judging by the title I thought it was a kids movie and I’m a thirty something year old childless man.

Sad_Manufacturer_257 · 2024-07-07T17:35:17+00:00

I liked it enough I feel the same about how they portrayed men but also I love Ken's conclusion saying he's kenough

RedCaio · 2024-07-07T17:40:06+00:00

I think it did a decent job showing how men deserve to be treated as individuals not accessories. Ken is interesting and has growth.

Pugduck77 · 2024-07-07T18:59:08+00:00

I thought it was a great movie, one of the best of the year. The politics in it were definitely stupid, and overly dismissive of men that face the exact same pressures as the woman monologuing described. My girlfriend and I had a brief discussion afterwards that ended with agreeing to disagree. But the bad politics and cringe monologue wasn’t enough to ruin an otherwise very fun and well made movie.

mrmensplights · 2024-07-07T19:06:10+00:00

The movie only made assumptions and claims that mainstream culture has been teaching most people since they were born. It takes patriarchy, male oppression, that women are somehow oppressed, that women are somehow not equal etc for granted. Of course, most media takes it for granted; most things just aren't on the nose about it. Unfortunately, when you are born and raised in a religion it usually takes some traumatic event to lose it or question it.

Outside of that I just found the narrative of Barbie highly contradictory.

SlyPogona · 2024-07-07T19:09:23+00:00

Nope, haven't seen it, I hate Will Ferrel movies, those are always unfunny for me. And then to top it off I read the final monologue and it's just a victimhood fest.

itsakon · 2024-07-07T21:03:38+00:00

Isn’t it going to be great when she’s had her way with Narnia.

Guinnessron · 2024-07-07T22:00:41+00:00

He’ll no. I expected it to be misandrist garbage, and heard basically that after it came out. NO need to support it. Props to those that want to see it and do. You do you.

New-Distribution6033 · 2024-07-07T23:59:11+00:00

My two cents. One, I grew up playing with Transformers and GI Joe since they came out in the 80s. I wish those franchises got the love, respect, and understanding that Barbie got with their movies. Instead we got a nostalgic cash grab that fell flat on both nostalgia and story. From a story telling stand point, and just capturing the franchise, I think Barbie is the gold standard.

The Barbie movie is low-key based. Ken and Barbie's relationship is a perfect parody of the TV couple trope. It's also a perfect portrayal of the friend zone. Ken is upfront about his intentions. Barbie never tells him she's not interested, she leads him on: reciprocates just enough to keep hom interested, but casts him away when convenient.

It also shows the Black Pill perfectly. Ken's emancipation from Barbie shows a dark side that some people go through when they leave an abusive relationship, or religion, or what have you. That's kind of where Ken goes to find himself. Now, of course, he supposed to become the villain at this point, and he does play the antagonist. But there are several subtle clues that allude to his mental state. For instance, when they are leaving Kenland and Push by Matchbox 20 comes on the radio: the song is about when the lead singer got out of an emotionally abusive relationship. Just like Ken.

The speech. I watched this with my mom, and she got tearful at the speech. She commented about how its so true. I agreed. I mean, it was pretty universal. On the few items that are mainly a woman thing, there were male analogs. But basically, it was just a tirade on Aristotle's Golden Mean. Then, mom slapped me in the arm for ruining it for her, "when you put it that way, it just sounds like whining." Reminding her of who raised me was apparently not helpful.

SnooSongs8797 · 2024-07-08T07:08:21+00:00

Good i thought I was alone in thinking the moive is cringe

Lopsided_DoubleStand · 2024-07-08T14:50:23+00:00

People exaggerate the Barbie movie. Many feminists criticized the movie for having just surface level feminism. Others are saying it's a feminist masterpiece. Others are saying the Barbie movie hates men and is about female supremacy. Others are saying the movie is supposed to be nuanced showing that even in a matriarchy, it doesn't mean it's a good thing (the women have all the power and the men are second-class citizens). Others are saying the Barbie movie's message is all over the place: Barbie complains about the real world having too many men in power but still decides to live in the real world rather than the female dominated Barbie world.

People have interpreted the movie based on their own biases and beliefs.

There have been movies and tv shows that have portrayed women as useless but they've also done that with men e.g. tv/movie dads. But people hyper-fixate on specific evidence which supports their existing beliefs.

Adventurous_Bat8573 · 2024-07-09T21:39:24+00:00

hate this misandrist trash hit piece.

Ken ironically not the bad guy in the movie, just another man treated as an object for a woman's satisfaction.

Oh to live life on easy street like Barbie. "Oh no I got cellulite", meanwhile my mans is sleeping under a bridge.

(Hey just like real life homeless women are given shelter while the men are given bridges)

pepskino · 2024-07-06T23:27:45+00:00

Nope

Y_3_3_7 · 2024-07-07T19:55:22+00:00

I liked it, the setting is extremely experimental and and the transition between things in the real world, barbie land, and the real real world is absurd and pretty funny. It also obviously does try to make a stand on things but also clearly doesn't take itself seriously at some points, like Ken being brainwashed by a little dark age edit, I genuinely thought it was a meme but it's played completely seriously in the plot of the movie which was pretty funny. The part I was bothered by though was that most of the "women's issues" that were played during a big moment in the movie could also be just as easily experienced by men. The movie does really try to also address male vulnerability and toxic masculinity, too, but whenever it comes up it's shoved aside for Barbie and the mom and daughter. It's so hard to determine this movie's angle sometimes but I feel ultimately that it was meant to address sexism on both sides but it either stopped trying or the writers thought it wasn't important.

Neat_Effect965 · 2024-07-07T06:09:51+00:00

Saw the movie, found it funny and silly and I don't take any “message” from a movie based on a toy the same as I would a political or intellectual discussion on the same topic.

J2501 · 2024-07-07T01:02:14+00:00

In the same sense I did not have Barbie dolls, I didn't see the Barbie movie.

avtarius · 2024-07-07T04:41:23+00:00

Why spend time on that ?

Spend it networking or learning instead, if not on active income streams.

Max_delirious · 2024-07-07T09:32:10+00:00

Women posting in this sub literally gives me the creeps. Sorry, not sorry.

Xuthltan · 2024-07-06T22:47:31+00:00

Parts of it. Meh, it insists upon itself.

Alkatane · 2024-07-06T23:11:55+00:00

Nah I didn't, it's pretty much satirical tbh

Zestyclose_Ad2224 · 2024-07-07T05:47:37+00:00

As long as whatsherface showed of her assets who cares. It’s like criticizing porn because there’s no plot.

Itsabouttimeits2021 · 2024-07-07T01:57:22+00:00

Wow i guess no one got the jokes. Basically in barbie world women rule n men are accessories. It is a shock.to her in the real world how men rule everything and women are used as accessories. Basically judged on looks. People who are offended by it. Really need to get a grip.

lpv333 · 2024-07-07T13:02:58+00:00

Yes. And unpopular opinion, but I truly think it could’ve been great. Due to the medium that they decided to use to tell their stories, (Barbie, which is a toy for children and locked to a pg13 rating) it was very limited in its scope from the very beginning and was always going to be limited in the conversation of patriarchy that it wanted to portray and be apart of. It was cheesy, sure. But if you’re able to get past that, it did something that you don’t see a lot of in traditional / mainstream media, and that’s the depiction of a man’s perspective in patriarchy and how it harms them, just as much (if not more) as it harms women. That’s not a conversation that’s had and I really wish people had more courage to lean in and dwell on that longer than they do. But it doesn’t sell tickets.. so I get it.

subone · 2024-07-07T00:33:45+00:00

I've seen it twice now, and I thought it was funny and enjoyed it. If it's any indication, the bear vs man debate infuriates me, and yet I didn't think the movie went too far at all.

SnooDogs6068 · 2024-07-07T08:53:33+00:00

People really need to remember how to apply context.

It's a movie about a doll. People reading into too much might as well be trying to decipher philosophy from watching reality TV 🤣.

The whole 'Ken is useless' angle is true, because the context of that brand is that he's just an accessory to Barbie. It's kinda pathetic to get upset about that in my honest opinion, in the same way it's pathetic when people get upset about a comic book character being the same in a TV/Movie.

therobohourhalfhour · 2024-07-07T10:38:25+00:00

It was a comedy. It was a joke. Yall taking far to seriously. Its the same people who though life of Brian was blasphemy

Otis_NYGiants · 2024-07-06T22:48:44+00:00

I saw it and loved it. That movie is just as much for men as it is for women. Probably even more so.

michaelpaoli · 2024-07-07T06:04:39+00:00

Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?

Yup, ... great movie! :-)

men were portrayed as useless tools who prey on women and all they say is "it's real

Uhm, you're not supposed to take the movie too seriously. I mean yeah, sure, a lot of valid points in it and social commentary, etc., yeah, sure, absolutely ... but also quite over the top stuff too ... for entertainment value, comedic, effect, etc. And you can decide for yourself where between them the line is.

that's how women are ALWAYS shown

No. And most of the time when someone starts making statements, "always", "everyone", ... they're generally ignorant or stupid. Most things just are never 100%.

media has been extremely feminist since the 90's

Uhm, ... quite a mixed bag. And the "feminist" stuff started earlier ... much earlier ... and but the chauvinist and misogyny have also "always" (or at least for a very long time) been there too ... and yes, also quite continues too - so quite a mixed bag. More realistic assessments are along the lines of how that balance has shifted and evolved and changed over time - but neither is gone, and both have been there for a very long while now.

have an of you seen the movie?

Yep, absolutely, great flick!

did you roll your eyes as much as I did?

Oh come on now, it's a movie, it's entertainment, it's not a documentary, it's about a Barbie Doll for Pete's sake. That's not to say that it doesn't make social commentary and even valid points, sure ... so does most all media - in one way or another. But it's not like you're supposed to take the entire thing like literal facts or something. So just roll with it, and enjoy the movie!

Itsabouttimeits2021 · 2024-07-07T03:41:31+00:00

Really? You found the movie demeaning towards men and backwards? About a movie about a barbie doll...uh ok..

Ego73 · 2024-07-06T23:22:51+00:00

I really doubt you understood the movie. At all points in the real world we are reminded how fake patriarchy is. We see it through the eyes of Ken, who is gaslit to believe this world is designed for him when people refuse to give him high paying jobs just for being a man.

Meanwhile, Barbieland is a parody of our sanitized matriarchal world, where all interactions are "Hi, Barbie" and "Hi, Ken," and the women who don't fit into the ideals of femininity (Midge, Weird Barbie) get erased from society, as women get portrayed as gatekeepers. Instead, Kens in Kendom have an identity of their own and aren't shamed for being different.

Title	Have any of you seen the Barbie Movie?
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Date	July 6, 2024 10:02 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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