The funny thing is many women actually agree with the above. Yet when you explain to them that if a guy is rejected by a woman/women (at least the ones he wants) in his teens and 20s but suddenly they want him when they're 33 it's not really thrilling for the guy.

I do understand that this strategy is not the norm and a woman will only use this strategy if she's still single at an older age and wants kids OR she really fucked up in life. Many women do get some guy they respect in some way even if he's not the best she's ever had. BUT it does happen and the guys who do whinge about it have maybe had it happen to them so they have the right to whinge.

But men want to be with a woman who truly respects him, even admires him. He doesn't need to be worshipped but he does want a woman who thinks he's cool. But what's cool about being stable and having money, especially if your job is meh (like most people's jobs).

What the guys whinging want is to be respected like the football or partyboy or skaterboi (yes spelt like that, bringing back some 2003 here) or fuckin whatever she was getting smashed by and loving every minute with. I was reading another thread on here and it was really telling when some women talked about their boyfriend/husband and if they mentioned his best quality is stability she didn't really seem thrilled. But I reckon if she was with a guy who gives her emotional highs all the time she'd be all giddy. These men are exciting which is respectable to women. He'd be happy too as he'd get the respect he craves from a woman.

It's all about respect. Perhaps the key to a long term relationship especially but even in the short term it's what men crave. Unfortunately perhaps some men can't find themselves to get genuine respect from women. But that's life. They have the right to whinge here on PPD or a bar. But this post explains where they're coming from.