Male Privilege Summary

Triskerai · 2017-07-04T14:26:57+00:00

Good summary. Needs to have the breakdown of 77 cents and how it's an average not counting any factors such as job type. Women in the economy are paid less, just not for the same work- for lower skill, lower value, lower risk work.

killerofdemons · 2017-07-04T17:16:46+00:00

All gender politics aside, does anyone else have a problem with how little early child educators get paid? The formative years of a childs mind are so critical for learning. The people that do that work really do deserve to be well paid.

yoshi_win · 2017-07-04T21:27:43+00:00

All infographics should cite sources.
The chart at bottom isn't properly scaled - the fractional dollar shown is about 1/8 (12.5%) as big as its blue counterpart.
The chart at bottom should color the excess earned in pink, and uncolor the amount both genders earn, to echo the chart at top.

CatOfGrey · 2017-07-04T17:21:11+00:00

Can someone provide sources for these? My statistics have similar conclusions, but the numbers are different.

For example: on-the-job death rate is 11-12x higher.

Another example (the source I really want!) is that young childless women out-earn men by 8%.

kd7uiy · 2017-07-04T16:00:32+00:00

http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/gender-pay-gap is the best source, particularly the "Controlled" version of Industries With The Largest Gender Pay Gaps. Everything I've seen shows if there is a pay gap, it's something closer to 5%, when all factors are taken in to account.

staticsnake · 2017-07-04T18:44:53+00:00

For credibility sake, there are zero legitimate statistical sources cited inside the infographic, which is troubling.

garrettgs297 · 2017-07-04T19:16:26+00:00

Zero sources or citations included on the infographic. Without these, it might as well be something posted on tumblr.

rebuildingMyself · 2017-07-04T17:38:02+00:00

I can't think of anyone more privileged than that demographic (healthy childless women 22-30). They get all the perks of the "oppressed" gender without any of the costs (children, actual oppression, etc).

hotfrspock · 2017-07-04T18:20:13+00:00

The real question is; If women cost a company .77 to employ vs a man costing them $1 they would always hire women strictly in order to save money.

TheAndredal · 2017-07-04T18:40:11+00:00

What if I, a man, come into work and self identify as a woman? Do they dock my pay now because I'm a woman?

Or if a woman comes into work and self identifies as a man, will she instantly make more?

thenoblitt · 2017-07-04T19:25:05+00:00

Actually when you compare the wages of men and women doing the same job, women only make 93%

mmmmph_on_reddit · 2017-07-05T00:02:13+00:00

Sources, please.

Marvin227 · 2017-07-04T17:42:17+00:00

I've done a presentation in high school using this pic before. I went through and explained most fallacies associated with the pay gap. When I was done, my teacher told me I was wrong. He gave no explanation, no facts or statistics. He just says to my face in front of the class that I was wrong. I tried arguing with him for a bit but he eventually told me I should stop so we could continue class.

Lucavious · 2017-07-04T18:21:23+00:00

Ehh. By saying that men choose higher paying fields, you're adding fuel to their argument that those fields discriminate against women applying for them. This info graphic serves no purpose beyond circlejerk lubricant for people who would have already agreed with it.

coughsyrupahoy · 2017-07-04T22:43:42+00:00

I think there exists kind of a misunderstanding on both sides of the issue. People need to understand that the 77% number does not account for differences in hours spend working BUT there still seems to exists a wage gap once you account for external factors.

jwdjr2004 · 2017-07-05T03:44:06+00:00

I mean just cause this thing says there's no wage gap doesn't mean it's any truer than s graphic saying there is.

Tenacious_Dad · 2017-07-05T04:35:47+00:00

Thanks so much, excellent post.

komtiedanhe · 2017-07-04T22:31:59+00:00

"Men choose the highest-paid specializations" But why? Did you ever stop to think what cultural/societal forces might be at work to encourage men into these professions, and/or pressure women away from them?

Also, women in STEM fields make roughly 10% less than their male counterparts. Even if you chose a high paying profession, you are likely to earn less than your male peers. Source

I_love_black_girls · 2017-07-04T17:31:22+00:00

Um, that last bit, where did they get that information? I want to know so I can tell my friend with facts, not just a talking point.

2017-07-04T20:59:32+00:00

What's the source for this?

Doobie_34959 · 2017-07-04T22:21:41+00:00

The real gap is in government spending.

jb_trp · 2017-07-04T19:24:40+00:00

What I've found is that if you dialogue with feminists, it doesn't matter to them the reasons behind the "pay gap," because they've completely bought into the Culturally Marxist narrative of the "oppressed"/"privilege" dynamic. Yes, it's stupid, but I've met people who were so entrenched in that worldview, that they still believed that even though women generally choose easier, safer work with kinder hours, etc. and consequently less pay, it's still "proof" of male "privilege" and female "oppression."

I had one person tell me that, "People who think like you are not helping to solve the problem!" And all I wanted to say to her is that I am helping solve the problem, because even though I have a STEM degree, I've done social work for a decade and don't have a penny to show for it. Now, if more women would get engineering degrees instead of feminist dance theory degrees, we could help "solve" the gender pay gap. Or perhaps we should also petition for there to be more female coal miners, construction workers, garbage collectors, etc?

Dirte_Joe · 2017-07-04T18:02:30+00:00

I love Maddox's video on the wage gap. He has some cheesey jokes in it but overall it has some awesome info with links for where he got them.

https://youtu.be/BDj_bN0L8XM

Taivas_Varjele · 2017-07-04T22:27:35+00:00

*citations needed

SpiritOfSpite · 2017-07-04T22:19:33+00:00

Need sources. I can make a poster say anything

2017-07-04T19:55:04+00:00

Buh-buh-but don't you think a kindergarten teacher should be paid the same as a petroleum engineer?

BlackBoxInquiry · 2017-07-04T21:15:37+00:00

They are just entitled. Period.

Want to earn more? WORK THE SAME JOB.

Want everyone to earn the same wage despite job? Go to a country that has communism, it's far more likely there.

Blutarg · 2017-07-04T22:06:02+00:00

Saved.

wont_tell_i_refuse · 2017-07-04T23:08:24+00:00

Nice! Finally, our graphic design is coming up to par. I remember when half of this movement's propaganda (for lack of a better term) was badly-done MSPaint images.

That being said, the next generation of propaganda should be slightly more slick to attract the mainstream. Even less text, more imagery (because people are dumb).

Could probably do without the rhetorical question at the end -- your numbers support an obvious conclusion the reader can draw on his own; no need to infect an objective look at the facts with your own personal opinion.

Consider looking at "infographics" from mainstream liberal sites (like Slate and Mic) to see the best of the genre. This stuff can and does change minds.

imthewiseguy · 2017-07-04T18:10:48+00:00

I was talking to my coworker, who is apparently a feminist's worst nightmare (a straight, white, Christian male lol) and he was saying how it's pretty stupid too because there is no gender differential in pay, we're both making $15 an hour, just as the girls walking in front of us were making $15 an hour, not $11.50.

erietemperance · 2017-07-05T07:36:39+00:00

I was very liberal when I was a teen. I voted for Clinton (Bill) back in 1996. And even then this was a big deal.

Then I grew up. And I never met anyone who "Did the exact same work for less money". Surely I would meet or know of someone at some point that this happened to. Nope. Turned 20, then 30, now 40, and still cannot find a woman who does the same work and makes less.

It simply doesn't exist.

So why do people (politicians) try to convince us that it does exist? Why? To what end are we (they) attempting to achieve?

copperbonker · 2017-07-05T10:47:27+00:00

I wonder if there is a source for all of this stuff?

TheAndredal · 2017-07-05T13:08:03+00:00

I've always taken issue with "equal pay for equal work". What is equal work? Equal assignment of tasks? Equal job title? In my mind "equal work" means equal productivity. If I have two employees. Same graduating class, and interned together... hell, let's say they are twins... but one shows up 10 minutes early and is always at least 5% more productive than their counterpart. They are also the first to pick up a broom, and handle doing the things that are everybody's "job" but yet nobody else wants to do... on paper, these two employees are equal. Equal jobs, equal education, equal credentials. In reality, one consistently outperforms the other. When yearly reviews come up, who gets the cost of living increase, and who gets focused on for a raise, and investment in professional development?... exactly... 10 minutes early and volunteers for the crap nobody else wants to do is more valuable than bare minimum with equal credentials. "Equal work" is a bullshit concept... people who advocate for equal compensation for "equal work" don't want me to be able to reward hard work, they want a set fixed price for X job, so that we know everyone is getting the same pay for the same work.... bullshit. There is no "equal work". There is having the same title, and there is earning what you're worth.

hammer81tn · 2017-07-05T13:23:30+00:00

If that myth about the wage gap were true, why would any business/ company hire men when they could get the female labor cheaper?

Ghostspider1989 · 2017-10-03T19:20:22+00:00

I like this as much as the next guy....but I have to ask for the sake of using this information responsibly:

Is there a source to this information?

I'd feel more comfortable and confident if I knew where this information came from.

2017-07-04T19:51:33+00:00

Nice info graphic from 4chan

BillyFromOregon · 2017-07-04T21:36:40+00:00

Those lowest paid college majors seem wrong, where's gender studies and liberal arts?

xkcdhatman · 2017-07-04T18:43:16+00:00

go back to incels virgins

Ordinate1 · 2017-07-04T17:26:52+00:00

You need to add that the $0.77 / dollar figure is over lifetime; the same source shows that per year, the number is $0.81, and hourly, the number is $0.86.

Only after that do the rest of those factors come into play.

gasdfasdff · 2017-07-04T21:39:52+00:00

Men are inherently more intelligent than women and less emotional so they choose STEM field work while women choose to work nursing and education jobs which are appropriate for their level of intelligence. It's simple biology.

Title	Male Privilege Summary
Author	TheAndredal
Upvotes	6038
Comments	318
Date	July 4, 2017 2:06 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6l797y/male_privilege_summary/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/male-privilege-summary.918884 https://theredarchive.com/post/918884

Comments