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I actually saw an article about this on a feminist website. Written by a feminist. She went way into the details of sex differences in the hips/pelvis, complete with diagrams.

She also, if I recall correctly, talked about the differences in leg length of bus passengers, and how the seats are a compromise between the averages of men, women and children (with women right in the middle, dontcha know), so the seat heights will naturally accommodate more women than men. And she mentioned center of gravity being higher in men than in women. When you combine that with the narrower pelvis and seats that would put your knees higher than your waist, you're going to need to stabilize yourself. (I have long legs, broad shoulders/big boobs and a small butt, and have a hell of a time if I'm sitting sideways on the bus.)

She opened the article by saying she knew it wouldn't be popular, but she wanted to share her understanding of anatomy so that maybe feminist women would be less hostile about manspreading.

The comment section was a nightmare. Dozens of comments dismissing her arguments as, "You're so full of shit! It's not about anatomy, it's about patriarchal dominance! Stop apologizing for asshole men!"

Then someone posted a gif of Kevin Spacey from House of Cards looking cynically into the camera in a "breaking the fourth wall" "bitch, please" moment, and someone commented that Kevin Spacey is SO HOT! and then the conversation devolved into a discussion about how awesome House of Cards and other HBO/Netflix/Showtime series are and which of the lead actors they'd want to fuck.

It was surreal.

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The Q Angle explanation makes perfect sense, as does the balls one.

But... I think we might be coming at this at the wrong angle (pun intended) by getting into debates about anatomy.

The fact remains that it is possible for most men (other than those who are exceptionally large or obese) to sit within the width of a bus/train/plane seat. It's often uncomfortable, (and almost certainly more uncomfortable than it is for an average-sized woman), but staying within your own space on a busy train is one of those things you tolerate as part of being a functioning member of society. Just like not putting your bag on the seat.

Anyone, of any gender, who spreads their legs excessively, or puts their bag on a seat, or talks obnoxiously loudly on the phone, or whatever, is just being inconsiderate. It was the feminists who decided to bring gender into something that is really just about bad manners.

I don't think we should start relying on arguments relating to male anatomy, because then we're dangerously close to the way feminists operate. Do we really want to be drawn into debates about anatomy, or would it be better to just call them out for making stupid arguments in the first place?

If we start making special allowances for men for having different hips, or external genitalia, doesn't it lend some credibility to (stupid) ideas like women claiming that air conditioning is 'sexist' because they feel the cold more than men?

Rather than live in a world where we constantly make special allowances based on gender, I'd rather live in one where we just accept that not everything can be purpose-built for the individual. I might have to tolerate cramped legs and sweaty balls when I take the bus, and my female colleague might need to keep her jacket on in the office. But if we keep engaging in these debates about gender, are we not just stooping to the feminists' level?

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No one is saying that men can't close their legs. Only that due to the anatomical structure of our hips, that an open-leg sitting position is a more natural and comfortable for males.

In contrast, the larger angle between the hip joint and the knee joint in women naturally encourages a crossed or closed-kneed sitting position.

Men are of course able to close and cross their legs, but it is a less natural position which in general requires more effort.

This is not to excuse those obnoxious people on the bus who are taking up more space just to do it, or to be selfish, only to say that most of the time, when men are seated with a wide-leg stance, it has nothing to do with power structures and everything to do with comfort.

In any case, a simple "excuse me" is the solution to the problem in nearly all cases.

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I think I would be okay with the idea that nothing "man-made" should ever be taken seriously.

I'm not sure I follow you... It appears you're saying that everything (murder, pedophilia, torture, theft, etc) shouldn't be outlawed and instead judged on a case-by-case basis.

If that's what you're suggesting keep in mind that not only would it clog the judicial system with trials that would go on for a dozen years but it would also give way for complete injustice as someone would receive a harsh sentence for a crime and another person would receive a slap on the wrist based on the judge's mood, profile of the accused or other random factors.

Somethings warrant some attention even if they are fabricated, like the wage gap. Even though the wage gap is demonstrably non existent we only know that because someone raised the question and other people looked into. Still some of the differences in income might be explained by factors that can be adjusted (like upbringing differences between boys and girls.) and that in it by itself is enough to make it worth raising "man-made" questions. Even if something turns out to be false it's probably worth not ignoring... Unless we're talking about fart rape, of course...

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Why though? It's something everyone has to deal with, that mostly men do. it's annoying. Why shouldn't those people be asked to stop?

I actually think it is a perfect example of how the mens rights movement has lost its way. 'manspreading' (although perhaps an unnecessarily provocative name) clearly happens, clearly is mainly done by men, clearly is antisocial, and would take so little effort for most people to stop; maybe they didn't even realise, or didn't realise people were annoyed by it. But there it is. It is such a clear-cut issue. If the mens rights movement was about equality, then this is a perfect example of where people should be like, 'oh yeah, shit sorry I didn't realise it pissed you off but now you mention it, yeah, I do always take up 2 other people's leg room, that's really annoying'. And then focus on actual issues of mens rights like mental health and childcare etc.

But instead, all you lot here are just using it as a stick to beat 'feminists' and fighting as if it was them stripping you of some right.

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That's exactly the problem. If it bothers you, just ask!

I "manspread" because it's way more comfortable. If there is enough seating for everyone I'll do it without a second thought. If I'm distracted and for some reason am bothering you just say "excuse me, would you mind giving me some room" to which I'll reply "oh, I'm so sorry! I didn't notice!".

The problem with manspreading as a concept is that it assumes that men are assholes that do this to assert dominance or some shit like that. Most men who do that are just inconsiderate or distracted. Just ask them nicely as you would ask any other human being anything and I'm sure they'll oblige.

I use this stick to beat feminists because it shows how they're trying to create false divides to demonize all men and fight for superfluous things instead of fighting for real issued affecting women. Like FGM on first world countries, sex traffic, etc.

Manspreading is basically a parody of what feminism has become, no sane man would complain about closing his legs if he's bothering you... And if he does, the problem is not that he's a man but rather that he's an asshole.

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Why should I have to ask? You know you're doing something which is antisocial, which annoys people. So when someone sits down, just move your legs. If I came onto a bus blasting music on my phone, you would rightly think I was a dick, I would be an asshole. And there have been campaigns to stop people doing that, because its an annoying thing to do. Just like taking up other people's space. There's a million other examples. Why should the public have to ask someone to stop being an asshole each time; if you know you're being anti-social, just don't do it.

They aren't trying to demonize all men, they are giving a vocabulary to talk about a problem, which even you accept exists.

Your backlash against a very reasonable request (not just from feminists, but from basically everyone except those men who manspread) shows the childishness of the mens rights movement. You're trying to make it a feminist vs men issue so you don't have to stop being an asshole; but in reality, it isn't a feminist issue at all. It's a majority of the public asking a minority of men (25% ish in one report in the NYtimes) to stop being anti-social on public transport.

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But why should you have to ask in the first place?

I answered that before... Sometimes people get distracted. I can enter an empty subway cart and make myself comfortable and then starting browse reddit or youtube without noticing how the cart starts to get crowded.

If I notice a crowded subway I, like I said previously, would even rather stand than take a seat but sometimes people enter their own world inside their head and lose track of time and space around them. Why shouldn't you be able to ask me to move if I'm bothering you? Stop being so socially awkward... Geez...

mate, only 25% of men do it, its not about anatomy.

Allegedly. Even if it's true different people have different anatomies. Some people experience some pains and aches that others don't, wtf are you trying to get at? It's almost as if you don't understand different men have different gonads...

stop making it out like its a mens rights issue. Its a minority of anti-social people vs the public issue.

Jesus fucking christ, you're a total fucking moron...

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Why though? It's something everyone has to deal with, that mostly men do. it's annoying.

See, this right here is what I personally find the most absurd about the manspreading piece. Feminists act like men are the only ones who do annoying and inconsiderate things when utilizing public spaces. I ride a subway everyday and in my opinion very few people actually sit in the manner described and of those that do I genuinely can't tell if it is more men than women doing it. I'm a guy, I don't personally sit that way, when I see other guys or girls doing it I think its annoying, feminists however transform this into some statement about a gender-based dynamic and the patriarchy and paint an image of women constantly fighting for seating space because all the men are taking up multiple seats worth of room....come on.

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I don't doubt you do. But look at this sub, loads of posts about false accusations, circumcision, mental health at a few hundred upvotes; and this at many thousand. Its frustrating.

as a man and a feminist I struggle with those terms. imo, in one sense it's useful to have a vocabulary to talk about an issue, e.g., something like 'manspreading' that is done by basically only men (a minority of men). But equally you don't want to unnecessarily piss people off or generalise to the point of it not being useful. I think it's always going to be a fine line. Especially when some people in both camps are quick to attack the other.

I say its frustrating because there should be so many cross overs between mens rights and feminism (genital mutilation, childcare, mental health etc.) but when people here can't accept that being in someone else's personal space is an anti-social thing for fear of agreeing with some feminists, what progress is going to be made? You could say the same with some feminists and some issues. But I feel like much more energy here is spent finding that crazy woman on twitter and taking her as an example of why all feminists are after men's rights than actually thinking about the issues in a constructive way.

Anyway, sorry you were the target of that semi-rant!

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Rochester isnt Minneapolis by a long shot. Minneapolis is nicknamed "muderapolis" around here, while a lot of what we hear about chicago is from one end of the extreme to another. The media here praises chicago any chance they get. People i know who moved out of there tell a vastly different story.

Either way statistics can be massaged any which way. I know chicago is another animal entirely, thus why i called it a third world shithole ;) we all know the local media of everywhere is all about sensationalism, and violence brings in ratings.

Lets leave our tape measures where they are and not even get started in a measuring contest.

Our conversation actually shows how different the environments are.. You're very defensive, almost combative in how you act.. But obviously have a sense of humor and are probably a pretty cool guy. I joke around a lot and am just kind of passively a prick.. In other words we were shaped by our environments. I like you, you're fun.

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Title	Manspreading (x-post r/dankmemes)
Author	An_Orange_Steel
Upvotes	6728
Comments	398
Date	July 27, 2017 1:58 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6psv2c/manspreading_xpost_rdankmemes/
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