No Draft - No Opinion - If you want equality you need to know the reality, not just the comfy fantasies

Senray · 2017-05-06T00:13:58+00:00

This is really badly written and formatted

ChristopherBurr · 2017-05-05T22:32:08+00:00

what's the $250k ?

Steins2036 · 2017-05-06T00:24:46+00:00

I understand draft 'might' be necessary thing when all things go south but it really has to go to both male and female. Equal right comes with equal responsibility.

Pollo_Jack · 2017-05-05T20:41:58+00:00

No draft period.

GregDraven · 2017-05-05T22:53:42+00:00

Just another example of the Patriarchy not treating women equally to men.

This is unacceptable in 2017.

Incident-Pit · 2017-05-05T22:35:38+00:00

Actually, she shouldn't have an opinion cause the picture is clearly depicting a British soldier.

ModsAreShillsForXenu · 2017-05-05T22:05:09+00:00

Are these actually being posted? Because someone at UCM should definitely put these up

plutosheen · 2017-05-05T23:46:37+00:00

Robert Heinlein's distinction between citizen and civilian in starship troopers might be a fairer social contract.

cougarclaws · 2017-05-06T00:18:27+00:00

Cringeworthy capitalization

rocket_raccon · 2017-05-06T00:07:00+00:00

I don't understand that at all.

I_Koala_Kare · 2017-05-06T11:11:37+00:00

Fuck the draft. I was #3 in the first draft lottery during the Vietnam war. The Army doctor at my induction gave me a 6 month delay for surgery and never put an end date on my record. Never heard from them again. I will never fight a war for corporate interests like the wars of today. Fuck the politicians and their corporate handlers.

Gnomikos · 2017-05-06T02:58:51+00:00

Our government should be able to draft whoever they want, including women and children; it's only fair when we're killing our enemies women and children. Equality all around.

frahfrah · 2017-05-06T06:21:35+00:00

Doesn't the logic of this poster also mean men aren't allowed to make any rules about abortion or women's health? "No uterus, no opinion?"

mspk7305 · 2017-05-06T03:45:40+00:00

You don't convince people by being a moron.

vhmPook · 2017-05-06T00:53:33+00:00

stupid poster

smileywaters · 2017-05-05T23:40:17+00:00

r/gatekeeping

Trident1000 · 2017-05-06T03:33:32+00:00

They all get pregnant right before deployment currently anyway to avoid actual combat. I'm not even making this up, its a real problem the military is dealing with.

40_Minus_1 · 2017-05-06T02:35:33+00:00

I'm here from r/all, and this is a seriously intellectually lazy point of view.

I mean, let's set aside the false equivalencies, the theoretical maximum penalties for breaking a law which there is no evidence that anyone has ever been convicted of breaking let alone having paid, and the idea that despite the lack of any evidence that any man ever had to do even two of the things on this list a woman must do all of them in order to be on the same page.

So, skipping all of that, I actually wonder if the dumb fucker who made this doesn't realize that the selective service act predates women's right to vote. It's not like women voted to make only men subject to the draft. Men are responsible for the draft. There hasn't been a draft in 44 years, and when there was, women occupied between 8 and 16 seats in both houses of Congress combined.

Honestly, who the fuck is complaining about this?

MIKE_son_of_MICHAEL · 2017-05-06T03:41:16+00:00

alright so im confused. I do agree that equality means the same treatment for everyone, but since when does getting drafted have to do with losing your license, FAFSA, job training... wtf is any of this?

Also, this seems like an attack more than a comment on equality. No women alive today made any decision that allows them to be absolved from a draft. they aren't responsible for that. Men decided that women shouldnt be drafted.

lasty, when in gods name would we need another draft? this isnt really relevant. godforbid a gigantic war occurs that necessitates a draft, but if that does occur, i seriously doubt we'll be in need of more infantry.

soundsaboutWRIGHT · 2017-05-06T05:03:58+00:00

Wow whoever made this got accepted into college?? Low standards at UCM.

Hiscore · 2017-05-06T05:05:02+00:00

That's a British soldier, not an American.

vetofthefield · 2017-05-06T05:45:59+00:00

Holy shit. This was my university. This is in response to the "No Uterus, No Opinion" poster, yes? I ripped every one of those down that I saw.

Sanprofe · 2017-05-06T06:28:57+00:00

Everyone agrees with this sentiment. Feminists too. This isn't an argument against the male draft or for a women's draft. It's just a shittily justified way to say shut up.

xsnyder · 2017-05-06T01:23:16+00:00

Service guarantees citizenship.

PIG_CUNT · 2017-05-06T00:41:50+00:00

How about "no registration for selective service, no opinion"? Sheesh

Dispatch_navy · 2017-05-06T03:29:09+00:00

I guess I just did a piss poor job of making my point, and I apologize.

What I meant to question was if your going to protect women for their parental rights, men should be given them too. Or neither sex gets them at all. A women, even though she bears the child, is no more special than a man and shouldn't be treated as such.

wtf_is_taken · 2017-05-06T05:32:04+00:00

Very confused

The_4th_Little_Pig · 2017-05-06T06:09:28+00:00

No draft for anyone ever is better.

platewrecked · 2017-05-06T16:49:52+00:00

High level Autism.

mal_wash_jayne · 2017-05-06T02:39:52+00:00

Idiots from the University of Complete Morons.

JumpingPotato1 · 2017-05-06T02:11:28+00:00

Me and 2 friends don't know what this meme is talking about.

Illyria1989 · 2017-05-06T04:24:15+00:00

I know of NO Woman who has served in the military who is Against the Draft of females for service. Not one. I served for 10 years. I'm for the draft, of both male and female (and I have a daughter and 2 sons). The only people whining are Neo-3rd wave feminists who think they're special snowflakes in Everything on the planet, not just military service. They're not against the draft...they're against military service, the military, miitary members (I've actually been called a 'baby killer' by a feminist), and anything else that vaguely "offends" their delicate sensibilities or "triggers" their PTSD from watching bad movies. So, IMO, the whole thing is a tempest in a vagina adoing about Nothing important but someone else's need to whine about something else because Mommy and Daddy didn't send them enough money to buy pot this semester to keep their bogus mental issues in check

Whooplaah · 2017-05-06T06:03:38+00:00

What about the double standard? The men in congress and the military have made it illegal to draft women, and those men are fighting to keep women out of combat roles in general.

https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft

So men have said that they don't want women to be drafted, and then because women are not part of the draft the women should be punished? That's a weird way to look at Male Rights.

crybannanna · 2017-05-05T23:47:57+00:00

a little extreme but it hammers the point home.

TenCentBeerNightRiot · 2017-05-06T02:55:02+00:00

Yeah im sure the draft that's been inactive since vietnam is really fucking up you nazi pieces of shit. A third of the fucking boots in my training battery we're women. Where were you? They served. You bitch and hate and bespoile my beloved flag with your filth.

Blacklightrising · 2017-05-06T03:02:56+00:00

As someone with bipolar if I ever got drafted I'd do so much damage to everything around me, friendly or otherwise they'd have to change the draft rules.

Showme16 · 2017-05-06T06:12:53+00:00

The BURG!

Stairwayto711 · 2017-05-06T08:26:28+00:00

If this does happen, I just hope they keep the gender groups segregated.

jeanlatruite · 2017-05-06T09:19:17+00:00

But that's stupid and dangerous.

merton1111 · 2017-05-06T11:00:38+00:00

Equality is / should not be a choice. Women and men should be equal on all aspects, it's not a "pick and choose".

claytonian · 2017-05-06T11:08:04+00:00

Can someone explain this poster like I'm 5 18?

yikesmysexlife · 2017-05-06T11:49:07+00:00

I think my wife would be ok if I shut her down whenever she opened her mouth about military service (although she's more actively into enlistment equality than any guys I know IRL) if in exchange only those with a fertile womb were aloud to have an opinion on abortion/reproductive health access.

Sgthouse · 2017-05-06T12:08:57+00:00

What the fuck is she wearing?

WYLD_STALLYNS · 2017-05-06T13:12:37+00:00

/r/CrappyDesign would love this

SeeEmmDee · 2017-05-06T14:17:57+00:00

I'm from a country without the draft, can I have an opinion?

geekrecon · 2017-05-06T15:30:07+00:00

This was approved by U.C.M.O's - Office of Student Activities. The director is: Beth Rutt -- Director of Student Activities and Student Recreation and Wellness Center - Garrison 189 - (660) 543-4381 - https://www.ucmo.edu/osa/contact.cfm

[email protected]

If we don't want this to be a circle jerk, we need to contact them and explain that the message is confusing and urge them to better articulate the point. It is an important topic and simply shitting on them, without correcting the error will not serve the greater good of our cause.

2017-05-06T16:04:55+00:00

Why pay and surrender all those rights? Just draft.

Saerain · 2017-05-06T01:44:24+00:00

I know this is a parody of "no uterus, no opinion" and all, but in all seriousness, please have an opinion anyway.

pianoplayer1216 · 2017-05-06T02:10:13+00:00

I might be wrong but I thought females are now drafted? I thought I read that awhile back

Blackbarby · 2017-05-06T10:32:54+00:00

The funny thing is the draft was instituted in a time when women were fighting for a lot of rights. It also was a time when women were seen as home makers and not equal. The draft is outdated and I think many including myself would be ok with updating it to include women. There were lawsuits against the US government because women wanted to fight on the front line and be allowed in infantry. Although I like this sub and even as a women agree that most things on here are correct or at least have a very valid point. I think this one may be a little off the mark. It's more of an outdated law than women trying to avoid it or women being hypocritical.

Orthodox-Waffle · 2017-05-06T08:20:36+00:00

OP, I do believe you may be legally retarded.

Loreki · 2017-05-06T11:04:18+00:00

When was there last an actual draft in the US? I agree that everyone physically able should be liable to register, regardless of sex but its hardly a massive pressing issue like equality of access to children on separation or criminal sentencing disparities. Pick your battles guys, pick your battles.

seesquatch · 2017-05-06T09:28:07+00:00

jesus christ this is fucking retarded. what an incel circlejerk.

2017-05-06T05:23:13+00:00

This is going quite a bit into r/gatekeeping territory lol

NickDanger55 · 2017-05-06T08:19:33+00:00

"Comfy fantasies," like registering for the draft is an effing hardship? Give me a break! There are almost 2 million women veterans in this country, and over 200,000 serving right now, and comprise 20% of Air Force personnel.

When women in the National Guard and in the Reserves were called up to go to the Iraq war, and to Afghanistan, no one gave a furry rat's ass about it - even if they were single and had kids at home.

I think if anyone has any "comfy fantasies" it's OP, implying that women are getting special treatment in return for getting treated like second class citizens in every aspect of life.

Servicemaster · 2017-05-06T02:27:01+00:00

No Fascism?

No Opinion.

Receive up to multiple monies when you be a REAL CITIZEN and join the MILITARY and become a man like real woman!

splendidpluto · 2017-05-06T00:28:09+00:00

The military is a great place to pick up skills. Self defence, personal fitness, mechanical skills, etc. For those who don't want to fight you get to be a support trooper. If i lived in the state I wouldn't mind being drafted and becoming a mechanic like I was a couple of years ago. All I need to do is power wash the last deceased occupants of a vehicle, fix it up and put it back out on the front.

locks_are_paranoid · 2017-05-05T21:01:53+00:00

The US will never have another draft. Registering for Selective Service is as simple as filling out a form online. In some states, your even registered automatically.

Booty_Canoe · 2017-05-05T23:42:11+00:00

This is plain stupid. Not from their perspective, but from ours.

Women give birth. They possess magic and they already give up at least a year of their lives to do that and that's assuming a career that can afford a daily maid (which assumes they want a career).

Which is expensive, because we want to at LEAST pay minimum wage. We want to hire registered American teenagers for the job and follow the rules, pay the taxes.

That being said, following that rule is hard, because now we assume that every female is able and willing to produce a child liable to military service. So....:

Make female draft mandatory, unless a birth plan is proposed (i.e. "child pops out in 2021, May (at the latest) or I serve in the military for X years") - They can either serve the draft right away or wait for the deadline, then choose to serve or do year of alternative service (in hospitals or retirement homes, see: "Zivildienst" in Germany). Financial Bonuses are paid depending on these factors.

Just a Brainwave.

u_nwah · 2017-05-06T10:33:25+00:00

How many men here have been drafted, lol honestly

Title	No Draft - No Opinion - If you want equality you need to know the reality, not just the comfy fantasies
Author	Imnotmrabut
Upvotes	2340
Comments	457
Date	May 5, 2017 7:43 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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