For the regulars that debate here and often lock horns, Why?

HeroinAndHeartbreak · 2022-09-11T07:12:56+00:00

Because I find dating dynamics interesting and everyone I know IRL has no idea what the fuck Im talking about 🤣

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2022-09-11T07:39:20+00:00

I just find it interesting, it is one of the few places where very opposing positions are allowed to interact. It is often ugly, and the positions hardly change.

When I am bored, I like to sometimes add oil to the fire.

Lysa_Bell · 2022-09-11T07:42:51+00:00

I'm trash and like to argue and drama. In general I have a pretty peaceful life. Engaging in online drama is fun for me and dating dynamics is so subjective you can just argue about anything. I am a very passive person irl. I can hide behind being a drama online trashcan.

_revelationary · 2022-09-11T11:17:01+00:00

I have been fascinated by TRP for the past 10 years or so. I would even post there back in the day, as a woman…not advisable. I think I can see some truths in it, but the rigidity and toxic language never sat right with me. Plus the men on there never ever seem happy. And I didn’t see where my dating history and current relationship/marriage “fit in” to the theory.

I started dating my husband before OLD really took off, so even though I didn’t get to experience it now I’m even more fascinated by the gender dynamics. And I want to advocate for actual human connections — the thing that is lost in our current tech-driven culture. Yes, I’m aware of the irony of advocating for human connection on an Internet forum…

I also have a daughter and if she’s interested in dating guys someday I want to both: a) raise her with the knowledge needed to protect herself against misogynistic dudes and b) try to instill values that help her find a path more like mine and less like the women who are demonized here.

ETA - as for the impact of this place on my mental health…it’s NOT good. And I definitely don’t see myself here in a year. This is not representative of my reality at all. I know dozens of really healthy, happy relationships and very few young men in my family (I have around 12 male cousins in their 20s) has had any issue finding great partners. So either I’m genetically blessed, my family raises kids differently, or the problems are more intense in other areas/subcultures.

CruelAngelGradThesis · 2022-09-11T07:35:08+00:00

Individuals with ADHD (diagnosed or not) are probably overrepresented on this sub and such people have a tendency to seek out stimulation/dopamine hits from arguing with others.

I myself have ADHD. Arguing with someone on here has given me rushes similar to drinking coffee and and even allowed me to complete a major assignment once when I was on the verge of falling asleep. Thank you PPD.

RicoEStrong · 2022-09-11T10:18:54+00:00

I stumbled upon PPD while reading blackpill subs and what I've found is a place more welcoming to differing opinions on gender matters than most of Reddit. You're not going to be downvoted to oblivion by a bunch of soys for saying stuff people with modern sensibilities are going to be offended by, so that's neat.

How has reading this community and chatting affected your mental well-being? Your personal relationships with family, friends, man/woman?

Surprisingly, for the better. Yes, sometimes I'll end up feeling disillusioned and jaded about dating dynamics, but the diversity of life experiences of people here helps me to put many things in perspective, which I appreciate. Helped me to have more nuance when thinking about other's dating lives (and also my own).

Do you use this place to vent your opinions? Are you frustrated with the status quo or certain events taking place? Unhappy with certain online communities and this is where you can make a difference?

Yes! Here is probably the only corner in Reddit where you can actually state views on dating and women that aren't exactly popular these days without just getting downvoted until your comment vanishes or banned outright.

Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men? Do you enjoy the process of disproving their delusions?

I don't know what quite makes an "entitled young man". Such a loaded term. But I guess that arguing with them is not what I'm usually after when I come here. I do get entertained by this sub, though.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-09-11T13:09:37+00:00

How has reading this community and chatting affected your mental well-being? Your personal relationships with family, friends, man/woman?

Probably negatively tbh. I’m like an addict.

Do you use this place to vent your opinions?

I enjoy arguing with strangers on the internet more than I care to admit. Even when I don’t really disagree with them.

Willow-girl · 2022-09-11T13:47:00+00:00

You people need cute cow and kitten pictures!

I'm providing a public service here.

thetruthishere_ · 2022-09-11T13:42:52+00:00

Its like a train wreck you rubber neck and cant look away.

Never seen so much whining from men in my life and this place is like another planet.

Edit, I talk about this sub with my parents and friends about the weirdo posts here.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-09-11T13:22:08+00:00

Cause there are a lot of lurkers on the sub and maybe some of them will see the fucking light even if the loud angry whiners and complainers can’t.

Besides sometimes it’s not about changing peoples minds. Sometimes just having the conversation is good.

Virtual-Inside-482 · 2022-09-11T13:23:00+00:00

Just to get some ideas. Honestly, I'm at the end of the road when it comes to worrying about this.

People want to talk about stuff they can't talk about openly. The days of having a listening ear for free to just rant are gone or were never there. Eventually life takes its toll and people grow up.

Personally, realising this ain't worth it. Cos even if someone came into my life perfectly all set, this mentality of worrying about this debate would make them run lol. Which goes to show how meaningless it is.

Live your life I guess. And stay in the debate long enough to realise that.

boomcheese44 · 2022-09-11T15:09:27+00:00

For purely entertainment at this point. Most of the useful content ended a while back, its sad for me because I learned a lot here from some of the smarter and older posters. u/sadomasochrist content made me "get" RP...because there was a long time I questioned why few men were attractive to me (literally less than 10 in my lifetime) and a lot of things made sense in terms of womens sexuality. At the end of the day, facts and statistics stand, but people will always have their own truth about things that can just as valid. I think thats what keeps the fuel going on in here and other subs. I wont change my views at this point.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-09-11T15:09:59+00:00

It's interesting. Like the whole 'relative importance of virginity' debate that has been popular lately is certainly something I'd never think about otherwise. It's not just the topics, it's the way people adhere to them. Some people are flexible, others dogmatic, and sometimes about some odd things.

Ylduts · 2022-09-11T09:04:14+00:00

I’m old. I’m financially successful and successful in dating. Most PPD women hand wave away data and studies. I’m not here to change their mind I’m pointing things out for the young men watching. If someone had done the same for me I would’ve saved years. I learned most of what I learned through trial and error, I hope the next generation of men do better then me because the sky is the limit. I’m just trying to give them a head start.

hari_hbp · 2022-09-11T12:57:42+00:00

It helped me become a better person. And I want other confused people on PPD to become better through the same way, so I keep coming back to this subreddit.

dunamo · 2022-09-11T15:13:43+00:00

Great question. One that she be posted in a ton of threads at least once a week.

I want to learn and be corrected when my views are off.

I want people who have ignorant biases in either direction to embrace nuance and improve their perspective.

There is a reason that all of the red pill/blue pill/purple pill/black pill/fem/lib/incel groups have taken off.

People are frustrated.

People want and need truth and clarity.

Iron sharpens iron.

And ultimately I want to help people.

Not see my views necessarily, but to increase their ability to think.

Improve their ability to see bs, lies and manipulation.

And from there be a better person, achieve their goals, have a good sex life, find love.

FineDevelopment00 · 2022-09-11T15:25:23+00:00

Not sure I'm the demographic you're addressing, but I am pretty regular in here...

How has reading this community and chatting affected your mental well-being?

At first it frustrated me to see how many people hold sucky views about the opposite sex and relationships and how they'll strive to justify piss-poor behavior and mindsets, but now I keep it in perspective. I can't save the world, but maybe I can bring a few individuals to the light. And there are a few in here who aren't so bad whose comments I actually enjoy reading and/or replying to; they're a breath of fresh air among the wailing and gnashing of teeth that's otherwise going on in here and they can likewise help others. The daily community chats are fun too, usually more chill than the other threads. Ultimately I don't let this place negatively affect my mood anymore because I have so much more to my life than this sub.

Your personal relationships with family, friends, man/woman?

If I were still single I would've been even more distrusting than I already was when vetting dating prospects (which is saying something.) If I were with a guy similar to so many of the ones in here (shudder), I'd have grown jaded and bitter about not having had enough prior awareness of these online ideologies to which manipulative people of the opposite sex adhere so that I could have avoided the situation and hopefully fallen in love with someone better. Therefore I get how some of the dejected singles and folks who got burned turned out the way they did in here, but they still shouldn't allow toxic extremism to radicalize them since it's doing no one, including themselves, any favors.

As things actually stand for me, I'm happily married to a like-minded gentleman who finds manospherian (and other sexist) ideas laughably insane and doesn't carry the baggage so many of those guys do, therefore it's easier for me to keep things in perspective. This sub has definitely made me more aware of other people who believe in toxic Internet ideologies, though, and it has enabled me to put the puzzle pieces together of things I heard people offline say and do in both the past and present that indicated they were likewise radicalized.

Do you use this place to vent your opinions?

Sometimes. But that applies to Reddit in general, not exclusively this sub. I always make a point to avoid losing my temper over it, though.

Are you frustrated with the status quo or certain events taking place?

Certainly! I see so many preventable, self-inflicted problems with hookup culture, misogyny, misandry, etc. and yet people still refuse to do their part to help turn things around.

Unhappy with certain online communities and this is where you can make a difference?

Yep.

Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men?

For entertainment, sure, because some ideas are so "Wow, get a load of this!" unhinged that I just have to stop and watch the trainwreck no matter whether I actually reply to the poster/commenter or not. For engagement from entitled young men, not unless there's a possibility I might help them out of that muck and mire.

Do you enjoy the process of disproving their delusions?

Yeah, it's especially funny when bad-faith arguers block me as their petty way of having the last word (there have been at least three in this sub alone, but I can't be certain of the specific number as I wasn't counting) because they can't stand the reasonable points I'm making. That really says it all about the legitimacy (or rather, lack thereof) of what they're arguing for too, haha.

If you don't care about studies or statistics, do you care about anecdotes and stories from an anonymous stranger here you'll never get to know personally, getting up-voted by other strangers?

Anecdotes have their place in assessing reality; statistics aren't everything. Don't get me wrong; stats have their place too but they aren't the be-all-end-all like so many dudes in here think. "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics."- Mark Twain

houstongradengineer · 2022-09-11T15:43:53+00:00

Shock value. Been on here a while, still sometimes get shocked by shit people say.

If I wasn't stuck at home jobless or during a pandemic or something, if probably find something better to do. I'm working on that.

MAGA-Latino · 2022-09-11T08:33:24+00:00

I've given up on trying to debate people. Now I just come to get a temperature check on the current dating market. I've been studying game for so long that it's hard to stop.

decoy88 · 2022-09-11T09:21:28+00:00

For the regulars that debate here and often lock horns, Why?

To quote u/HeroinAndHeartbreak “Because I find dating dynamics interesting and everyone I know IRL has no idea what the fuck Im talking about”

I like to spare my irl friends from these weirdo discussions

Some of you know users who have been here for weeks, months, years. You know their views well.

You greatly overestimate my ability to remember users.

How has reading this community and chatting affected your mental well-being? Your personal relationships with family, friends, man/woman?

Two-fold. It has provided some much needed distraction, and presented a lot more unneeded distraction. It has helped me hone my debate skills.

Reading these warped perspectives is fascinating and hilarious but also has me leaving much more grateful about the people I have in my own life and the positive influences/upbringing I’ve had. In short, it makes me count my blessings and be more appreciative for what I’ve had vs the opposite.

Do you use this place to vent your opinions? Are you frustrated with the status quo or certain events taking place? Unhappy with certain online communities and this is where you can make a difference?

Yes. Sometimes. No.

Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men? Do you enjoy the process of disproving their delusions?

Yes. Sometimes.

If you don't care about studies or statistics, do you care about anecdotal story evidence from an anonymous stranger you'll never get to know personally, getting up-voted by other strangers?

What?

Do you see yourself still being here in a year? Will you hold the same fundamental views?

Probably. Probably.

SmilesLikeMardiGras · 2022-09-11T12:28:44+00:00

I like debating about sexual dynamics

Financial_Leave4411 · 2022-09-11T14:46:21+00:00

I originally came to PPD to hear more about dating and relationships from a man’s point of view as well as share a woman’s point of view; however I have noticed the longer I’m here the more cautious of and angry at men I have become. I am strongly starting to wonder if the red pill is designed to purposely push men and women apart. I say this because of the lies and deceit men try to teach other men to trick women into having sex with them. Things such as dread game, being the one to care the least in a relationship, leading women on with no intentions of marriage, and so on. I definitely don’t look at men irl the same since participating in this sub Reddit and I don’t think I will ever fully trust men again thanks to the knowledge I’ve learned here. Being anonymous on the internet allows people to say anything and everything that’s on their mind and it shows you exactly how far people will go to get what they think they deserve and are owed regardless of how immoral their actions are. I am great full at least to now be able to see through the majority of these tricks since I am both aware of them and know what to look for so that’s something positive I guess.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-09-11T14:02:43+00:00

Because I like to play devil's advocate

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-11T14:35:57+00:00

Reading this community and chatting hadn't really affected my mental well-being at all. I use this place to express what I know full well is big facts and reality in response to the notifications. I'm not 100% sure If see myself here by this time next but as of yet I don't see why not. I know I will most definitely still have the same views unless maybe I experience something extremely radical.

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revente · 2022-09-11T13:22:36+00:00

Because someone is wrong on the internet!!!

Poisongirl5 · 2022-09-11T13:53:28+00:00

I do enjoy arguing, and presenting the opposing view that women aren’t soulless money grubbing harpies, there are reasons some act certain ways and hardships women face that men don’t consider.

There as been times where it bummed me out that the responses would be so aggressive and angry, with veiled personal attacks.

I have opened my mind to mens struggles more but I feel like I still need to speak out for womens point of view, for the people that are new or stubborn.

I also think there’s a personal aspect of it, I am a good looking sexually adventurous girl who has given chances to all sorts of men. So hearing men in PPD say women hate short guys, demand huge cocks, only want 10/10, only want your money, it’s like i don’t relate to that girl at all. Some men might not like my sexual history bc I fuck like a man would if he were a woman, but idc.

NotARussianBot1984 · 2022-09-11T14:14:12+00:00

I dont debate i teach. I wish someone did the same for me

warramite · 2022-09-11T14:43:34+00:00

Your personal relationships with family, friends, man/woman?

I don't have friends. But it hasn't impacted my association with my family tbh... I talk with them about how shallow people are sometimes

Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men?

I come here to argue against bad advice given to men interested in women, garbage like "just be honest", "just be yourself", "women looking for good guys" etc...

If one guy sees a comment of mine and it saves him from a bitch, then my work is worth it.

Serendipity187 · 2022-09-11T15:05:12+00:00

I’m here to learn and observe. RP brought me from far in terms of self improvement and progress. I came basically from 2,5 to a 8 in terms of improvement and I’m still learning. Still I find some comments useful here since I never entered an relationship.

JoeRMD77 · 2022-09-11T15:51:28+00:00

I just post here because I like giving my frame of reference to guys who never had it.

I had success dating in high school and messed with a few girls from work after that, but I definitely became a recluse for about 15 years and then suddenly jumped back into the dating game.

Yes, some of the things they harp on are definitely true. Being rejected because they're not 6 ft - I definitely get a feeling that I don't get as many matches as a taller guy would - they opened my eyes to that, for sure. So, for me I didn't even know women were into tall guys until the age of 37 - just never considered it to be a factor.

But when they talk about being a beta buck, they're really insecure about being used for money when they shouldn't. Most women, especially as they get older, want a man who has his own life together and that includes having a decent job. You can't play house if you're a broke bum or unwilling to pay your own way and help your girl. That's the part I think they're really disconnected on: being used for money.

Now, I'll admit I used to have the same mindset as these guys when I was younger: I'm not that physically attractive and women are only going to use me for money.

But as I matured, I realized most other men are valued for their resource acquisition capability and if I wanted to date, I would need to play the same game.

There's other things too, but I would say those two things are maybe the most talked about things on here. They're right about the height thing, but wrong about the beta buck thing. I could go on and on with some of the things they're right about and wrong about but those are the two main points.

CatchPhraze · 2022-09-11T15:53:50+00:00

I've both changed and changed the views of others. Mostly it's fun. My personal life is entirely unaffected

Gravel_Roads · 2022-09-11T15:58:26+00:00

Partially it’s interesting see how other people think, and partially sometimes Someone On The Internet is Wrong

TastyCucurbits · 2022-09-11T15:59:00+00:00

Nothing here has affected my relationships the slightest bit. I still abide by the same standards and approaches as before.

I mostly find this sub entertaining. At one point, mostly older threads, I used to see a lot of debate about different social strategies and engagement with the dating world. Now everything is outlandish statements and blackpill-esque comments. The supposed sexlessness of most men is by far the most-debated topic on this sub recently.

And I love every twisted minute of it. Gives me an excuse to eat junk food and chuckle during the day.

HalfysReddit · 2022-09-11T16:45:00+00:00

I love debate.
This is a topic that a lot of people have strong opinions about and no one can prove themselves factually correct.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-09-11T16:50:21+00:00

I have an interest in sociology. I also find it really interesting how relationship dynamics have changed as laws and access to participating in the economy for women have changed men.

I'm a complete normie. My friends are overwhelmingly married with kids or in long term committed relationships. Two of my younger cousins are still with their highschool sweethearts and it's really cute.

The problems men cite here? Completely non existent in my circles. It makes me really appreciate my friends and family having such healthy loving attitudes.

It's really interesting just the level of delusional thinking. It's like mental illness on parade. It's unfortunate because if they addressed it they'd probably be happier but instead they blame an entire gender.

I also get bored in really long meetings that could be emails.

Katatonicsnake · 2022-09-11T17:17:05+00:00

This is so different compared to what I usually do online. I’m mostly still baffled by what people here have strong opinions about, and the kind of beliefs they have.

Sometimes I feel sad after spending too much time here. But because my day-to-day life is so different, I don’t feel that for very long. Especially when I take a break from commenting here.

I haven’t experienced online bullying before participating this sub, and I rarely encounter people who are as aggressive and unreasonable as I often encounter here. It has been eye opening, because due to my education and profession, I have read a lot about those phenomena and behaviors, but never experienced them in this scale before.

Some people here are great, their point of views are interesting. I get the most out of those who disagree with me on the idea itself, but have a similar idea about meaningful communication/rules of debate. From these people, I’ve learned more about the struggles people have when it comes to identifying with people who they view as “the others” (opposite gender, stacies, chads, beta, bla bla).

I hope I’m not here after the end of this year. I’m starting to feel like it’s time to go. My opinions haven’t changed that much because I didn’t have clear opinions on things like dating, n count, or relationship dynamics before either, and those are what people are mostly interested in here.

Electrical-Elk9058 · 2022-09-11T18:12:22+00:00

If you want to talk about how things really are, you can do it either here or 4chan and some niche forums

Here is the most balanced and sane place out of these options

goats-egg · 2022-09-11T22:20:27+00:00

I initially came to this sub to see differing opinions but now I come here to doom scroll. the shit men say on here is so outlandish and detached from reality. they will take any random fact and twist it into some afbb shit it's actually kinda funny. they're exceptionally talented!

RealNiceLady · 2022-09-12T00:21:01+00:00

It's just fun, and a good outlet for my contentious personality without hurting real-life relationships.

Any-Bottle-4910 · 2022-09-12T01:13:07+00:00

It’s an interesting topic. Things haven’t evolved that much with human dating, and mating for around 200,000 years, and then suddenly it started to shift in the last 100-150 years. It might seem like a long time, but compared with the rest it’s very recent. In fact, most of the big changes have been in the last two generations. Maybe three at most. It’s a blip in time.

So, there will be upheaval. It’ll be worth it in the end, but things are certainly not a stasis right now. It’s fascinating and terrifying and uplifting all at once. Everyone is aggrieved, which sucks, but progress is messy.

I’d just like us all to be honest about our own bullshit and move forward.

GoKaruna · 2022-09-12T02:43:54+00:00

Its pretty much masturbation at this point

KissMyAsthma-99 · 2022-09-12T02:44:17+00:00

Do you come here for entertainment because it'll eventually get engagement from entitled young men? Do you enjoy the process of disproving their delusions?

I like to debate, and I like to call out blatant misandry like that.

The most delusional, entitled people I see here are (usually) women.

VulpixEevee · 2022-09-12T02:47:14+00:00

I come here to defend women. This sub is really not good for my mental health at all. Esp since it’s like 5% women, and most of the posts are massive negative generalizations about women. Is there a way to block an entire sub? I just keep getting sucked back in.

Antonija_Blagorodna · 2022-09-12T07:38:10+00:00

Because we are all losers and fighting is more fun than holding hands.

localmicrodosechamp · 2022-09-12T20:48:02+00:00

I was raised that men and women are basically the same and it allowed me to be manipulated and abused by men.

Men saying their thoughts out in the open here helps remind me that they are nothing like me and shouldn't be trusted, ever.

Title	For the regulars that debate here and often lock horns, Why?
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Date	September 11, 2022 7:11 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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