I don’t think FDS is that bad and I don’t understand why they get so much hate

EdwardCircumcizehand · 2021-07-05T00:39:28+00:00

The fact that they have a private discord called the Dark Triad where they have workshops to encourage psychopathic behavior and traits should be reason enough

ErrendeEbecee · 2021-07-05T06:16:41+00:00

Aside from their rampant misandry, FDS literally doesn't work. FDS advices you to find a HVM then be a cunt to him until he leaves. And when he does, well he must have been LVM anyway! Repeat.

friendofalltehworld · 2021-07-05T08:56:52+00:00

Sample comments from one top thread today:

"Women with diminished resources desperately need to pull away from men, and only interact with them using FDS-type principles. Even men who should have empathy for women just fake it, and exploit the women all the same." - 109 upvotes.

"Honestly, fuck nerds. They're the most sexist of all men" - 48 upvotes.

"I follow a lot of more left leaning political forums on here (and am extremely left leaning myself) but there's a special sort of woke misogyny coming out of the men on them."- 486 upvotes

"Honestly I’m beginning to wonder more and more if the liberal men are even worse" - 34 upvotes.

Woke misogyny! I love it! Essentially these are traditional women who want the traditional wife lifestyle - husband works, provides, does all the chores, caters to her every whim, while she shops, organises parties, complains that she has to organise the parties and chooses the maid.

BUT! they don't want to appear 'traditional' so it's all couched in pseudo feminist jargon that makes it seem like all this liberation imposed on them was some awful man's idea. Equality is something left wing men are trying to trick them with!

Thus the majority of their ire seems to be directed at highly educated, left wing men. The 'woke misogynists'.

Men nowadays will spend thousands of dollars on funko pops but won't take a woman out for dinner.

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

StevenStooch · 2021-07-04T23:43:45+00:00

They don’t exist without each other. Character foils.

SnooSprouts1580 · 2021-07-04T23:54:36+00:00

Go to FDS and TRP at any time, on any day, and FDS will have significantly more active disparaging threads about the opposite sex.

Prove this wrong, if any of you disagree.

justreallylazy · 2021-07-05T00:07:54+00:00

They're just a bunch of lonely incels that hate on men. If anything, you should feel bad for them.

Ok_Room1213 · 2021-07-05T00:24:53+00:00

FDS is objectively bad advice for women and there's no actual dating strategy. The culture of Gold diggers, social media influencers, and make up tutorial girls on IG is much closer to what actual female dating strategy should be. Being able to get hot enough to attract rich guys and professional athletes is pretty impressive.

Telling fat, ugly, girls with no social lives that a really hot 6 figure man is going to marry her frumpy ass for no reason is bad advice. They're like a cult or crabs in a bucket, FDS members want other women to be as miserable as them.

4D-Alien · 2021-07-05T00:02:50+00:00

It seems like from what i see they are “low value women” who have shit personalities and enjoy putting on a facade of “toxicity” to cope with not getting “high value males”.

Like seriously what “high value male” would want to put up with a entitled low value female??? Kinda silly lmao. If they cut that bullshit and acted a little normal im sure those girls would do much better and be able to get and keep better guys

ToughAnswers · 2021-07-04T23:44:17+00:00

Maybe it’s me projecting my guilt, but I think a lot of guys could definitely do better in relationships.

How so?

I think TRP takes a more angry and bitter stance against women where as FDS is more focused on the individual.

Have you even read FDS? Maybe similar at best.

luliloo · 2021-07-05T01:35:30+00:00

I used to follow their sub to make sure I wasn’t being brainwashed by TRP content. But even as a woman, their comments made me uncomfortable and cringe. It was way too extreme, I had to unfollow.

rft24 · 2021-07-05T00:34:36+00:00

i think it’s because many of them come off as hateful and bitter towards men like trp is towards women.

LargeGamer1 · 2021-07-05T05:23:54+00:00

Why’s it gotta be some sort of contest?

They’re both retarded and attract incels of each gender. These groups have absolutely zero basis or following in the real world. Go ask any random woman about FDS or man about TRP and they’ll look at you like you’re insane. The only people who believe in these dumb ass groups are people who don’t interact with others and have zero experience going out and actually meeting new people. Why do you think these groups only exist on specialized sites dedicated only to them and neckbeard sites like reddit?

I’m getting so tired of these generalizations and people whining. “Wahh all women/men are trash wahh.” Like how about you shut the fuck up?

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-07-05T06:20:51+00:00

Both are black and white thinking echo chambers. Just breeds resentment and illogical conclusions.

AloneOnTheStrange · 2021-07-05T09:54:09+00:00

I'm not angered by them, anymore than I am at r/incels. I look at them for morbid curiosity.

What gets me about them is how little actual strategy their seems to be. It's all just about vetting men, and not very well at that. Red flags that don't make sense (he takes his phone to bathroom = he's cheating???), not much of a vetting process beyond making them wait for sex and only accepting expensive dinner dates.

Where are the stories about this stuff actually working, or what actually happens during that 3 month waiting period? Where are the strategies for making yourself the best option above the other hundred options for this HVM? Where are the insights into male psychology that they don't teach in textbooks?

This isn't a strategy for dating. It's a strategy for pumping up your ego and pretending you're too good for him girl!

I'd very much like to see some real female dating strategy. Things like actually useful vetting advice, and actual red flags. Tough love truths about male and female psychology. Advice for courting different types of males. But we sure as hell don't see that there.

20Humble5050 · 2021-07-05T00:37:32+00:00

A lot of it is due to their statements that are (or at least seem to me) hypocritical. For instance, one piece of advice they give out is to make a guy wait multiple months for sex, whilst at the same time encouraging the woman to keep a FWB on hand to stave off sexual frustration. Aside from the fact that it is extremely hard for men to get casual FWBs compared to women, I somehow sense that the FDS ideology isn't too hot on the idea of the man doing the same thing!

Secondly, to many observers, many FDS attitudes come across as out of touch with the reality of the sexual market. FDSers (or at least the ideology espoused by their subreddit) want to run men though a gauntlet of commitment tests and withhold sex for a long time, whilst simultaneously choosing from only the most high-value of men. Going through hell and high water for a crumb of pussy is what sex-starved low-tier men will do - high-value males have other options, and will not put up with the FDS tests unless the woman happens to be his emotional soulmate; why would he when he can get laid that night with a Tinder thot? Either that, or the woman is exceptionally high-value herself, in which case she would have never discovered FDS in the first place if she was already able to get any given HVM to line up for the commitment tests. In my opinion, the truth that they don't want to face is that being a dolled-up "pickmeisha" who lavishes her man with affection and attention is the best way for women to punch above their weight in the dating market and stand out from the vapid "Barbie girls" in the eyes of HVMs; my female cousin, who has a great personality but a face I'd rate 4/10 on a good day, is living proof of that as she is now engaged to a good-looking young millionaire.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2021-07-05T01:10:18+00:00

I've read some FDS stuff , they seem to point out the common sense things . Have goals , boundaries , and explain having preferences is okay .

Sure some stuff is a little extreme, but so is some thoughts on the MGTOW, Red Pill Reddits .

People as independent thinkers need to pick and chose what they deem beneficial and move on , it's all common sense.

parahacker · 2021-07-05T00:52:36+00:00

I don’t think FDS is that bad

Yeah, let's boil that conversation down to one word:

"Scrotes".

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2021-07-05T07:53:55+00:00

you dont think FDS is that bad? ok fair enough. do you share the same opinion of people such as incels?

woxmei · 2021-07-05T09:28:24+00:00

FDS gets so much hate because of the sexist hate they spew.

TheDevilPutD · 2021-07-05T09:41:58+00:00

When I hear women call men "scrotes" and post overlay derogatory and negative posts about men, I tend to not want to hear anything else they have got to say.

Platinirism · 2021-07-05T11:57:50+00:00

FDS usually revolves around calling all men bad, then either discussing behaviours less than 1% of men actually involve themselves with, complaining about issues that in reality don’t actually exist, or men asking for the bare minimum of a woman, and getting shat on for it.

If you go though FDS now, you’ll have women hating on men for wanting them to be able to cook food (a basic necessity every adult human should know how to do), ranting about a scenario that doesn’t exist (“Don’t talk to [name], she’s divorced” I’ve never heard a man say these words), propaganda about women being told to turn fuckboys into husbands (Nobody has every told women to do this), women hating on something less than 0.5% of men have actually done, etc etc.

The men FDS complain about either basically don’t exist, or if they do exist, have very clear and obvious red flags from the start you can easily avoid them. It’s about as bad as men on MGTOW worrying about being accused of rape after sleeping with a woman who clearly consented.

Then you got the other parts, the “dating strategy” parts. Almost nothing mentions how to become a HVW, it’s like they’re automatically HVW because they’re all queens. What do they mention is considered a HVW? A woman who’s kind, observant, passionate, doesn’t gossip, doesn’t hate on the unfortunate, etc. Yet when you go though FDS you get the opposite experience.

There’s 1 sentence that even somewhat mentions woman being “healthy”, and even that’s just a passing comment that’s considered “common sense”, nothing in FDS actually teaches women how to exercise or be healthy (or be an actual HVW in a man’s eyes). Compare that to TRP where you have posts upon posts and paragraphs upon paragraphs teaching men how to exercise and how to get fit and healthy.

Then you have the actual dating parts that tell women to completely ignore men who mention hiking or getting coffee as a first date, the only first dates women should ever discuss is going to an expensive restaurant and having the man pay for everything. If the man doesn’t notice your glass is empty and refills it for you, if he doesn’t pull out your chair before you sit on it, if he doesn’t specifically mention the Jewellery you’re wearing, then he’s a LVM.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-07-05T15:43:38+00:00

Are you a woman? If not, try being the ideal guy according to FDS and let me know when you’ve been happily married for more than 2 years. I won’t hold my breath.

And just so we’re clear… much like TRP, those people are toxic psychopaths with 0 introspection.

boomcheese44 · 2021-07-04T23:59:33+00:00

Most men see themselves in their LV descriptions, thats where the hate is coming from.

AquaChip · 2021-07-05T00:10:12+00:00

Anything that makes it harder for men to manipulate, abuse and use women—they don’t like.

CrazyBaby8891 · 2021-07-05T00:23:32+00:00

They go overboard by crossing over into misandry and getting caught up in materialism (caring too much about a man's salary), but they definitely have some solid advice otherwise that coincides with my own viewpoint. I think the real reason so many people rail against them is because they unabashedly call out a lot of BS (and I admire FDS for that.)

Super-Peoplez-S0Lt · 2021-07-05T04:28:59+00:00

FDS and TRP are two sides of the same toxic coin. Both are shaming and bullying random people online as well as have hateful opinions of their desired gender. Their strategies are also often selfish and would drive any decent human being away from them. No wonder both of them complain about their shitty dating lives.

SoyFemboy · 2021-07-05T00:13:21+00:00

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superlurkage · 2021-07-04T23:51:56+00:00

Err what? Can you people PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD stop misconstruing what TRP is ACTUALLY ABOUT?

TRP is AGAINST BEING BITTER/HATING WOMEN because HATING WOMEN will not get you PUSSY

NoBank8496 · 2021-07-05T01:11:10+00:00

Lol I’m a TRP man and I’m not angry at women at all, I’m even totally cool with FDS, it’s all fair game to me. But I do think they are more toxic/hateful than us, for whatever it’s worth.

makinganimerealer · 2021-07-05T02:39:07+00:00

FDS is hated on for the same reason TRP is hated on: It's building a behavioral cheat-sheet to get what they want without taking the man's feelings or desires into it at all.

just_a_place · 2021-07-05T05:32:46+00:00

You don't understand why they get so much hate? Have you seen the shit that they post?

What standards? FDS isn't about standards. All they ever do is shit on men and never actually focus on any dating strategy. At least the Pickup Artists have strategies that they market, as shady and as slimy as they are. FDS is a flat out hate-group that relishes on bashing men and literally nothing else. They never speak about how one man did one woman wrong, they bring in every woman's anecdotal story as proof positive that all men are are guilty for the sins of one man in an anonymous woman's story.

This is the definition of propaganda, it is literature designed to incite hatred, distrust, and malcontent among the readers by vilifying all men without exception and using any natural fault or failing as proof that their message of hate is correct and justified.

Their intent is to make chumps like you feel guilty so that they can thus manipulate you into policing the behavior of other men to alleviate said guilt. They want to make a white knight out of you and you don't even see it. Don't be their tool! They will neither respect you nor appreciate you for it even though they will gladly exploit you.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-07-05T00:36:31+00:00

They're basically TRP for women. But at least they have self-respect. TRP men have none and are just perpetually bummed that anyone else does.

Dirty_Purity · 2021-07-05T01:04:09+00:00

I don't care about them myself because they are no threat for me but I understand people who dislike them. They are a real landmine for those who date.

FreierSteinkopf · 2021-07-05T09:41:36+00:00

It's basically a men hating sub with bad advice. I don't care if you spread misandry/misogony online as long as sites like Reddit treat every gender equal and ban fair. That being said FDS should have been banned long ago since similar subreddits for men would be banned in an instant. FDS is also full bs science that goes against nature. When I went thtough their Wiki somewhere it said that women have multiple men who give them resources without sex in return and that's how nature works. It's the opposite though - women simp for the high value men and settle for a single guy for protection. Btw. I am aware that some points are the same for TRP.

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honeydewmelonz · 2021-07-05T13:22:48+00:00

Women discussing their standards in dating just triggers men. They can’t just not date them and move on, they have to harp on it constantly.

I have seen and heard some extremely foul stuff from red pill but it isn’t on my mind 24/7.

positivecel · 2021-07-09T06:18:05+00:00

they are going to have trouble finding someone who fits their description of an ideal partner, but they’re only hurting themselves

TRP takes a more angry and bitter stance against women where as FDS is more focused on the individual.

U just said why FDS is dat bad

Painfulmenstruation · 2021-07-05T13:57:22+00:00

FDS is for educated women with higher incomes to find similar men.

Title	I don’t think FDS is that bad and I don’t understand why they get so much hate
Author	nationearthdotcom
Upvotes	31
Comments	297
Date	July 4, 2021 11:39 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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