Women do not need to be sympathetic to mens dating struggles

JumboJetz · 2022-11-11T12:52:16+00:00

We men are trying to express ourselves in maybe the one venue (an anonymous online forum) where men are allowed to express themselves. And yeah in trying to articulate one’s frustration, sadness and anger, the result is sometimes harsh, messy, pathetic etc.

OP is right women don’t need to care about mens struggles but this is a forum where people can comment and women who do make the attempt to understand and empathize are appreciated as articulating dating struggles for men is never met with sympathy. Women though basically spend their whole life saying “men are trash” and being applauded.

Upstairs-Rip-604 · 2022-11-11T13:11:32+00:00

Nobody needs to be sympathetic to anything

It’s rather ironic that you seem to be unsympathetic while expecting sympathy from others (the child custody example shocked me)

Your lack of sympathy is reasonable for some of the scenarios you talked about

Think_History_5682 · 2022-11-11T15:45:29+00:00

Typical femcel

Bats_are_cuter · 2022-11-11T16:09:35+00:00

I agree, men online don't care about women's dating experiences, but expect a lot of attention about their own problems.

And "female hypergamy" is a joke, as if men aren't ever looking for bigger and better.

sharksville · 2022-11-11T23:24:13+00:00

It’s like having a rich person telling a poor person to get rich if that poor person is struggling with something. And that would be much easier if the rich person made an effort to help the poor person get rich instead of just saying get rich to the poor person.

Chicagoj1563 · 2022-11-11T13:54:30+00:00

Just because there are problems women face, that doesn't mean they shouldn't care about anything else. Or somehow that should translate into not caring about mens problems or suffering. Because men have struggles, does that mean we shouldn't care about those items you listed that happen to women? Murders, kidnapping, etc.. Should those not matter to us? Just because bad things happen to one gender that shouldn't cancel empathy for the opposite gender.

There are some guys who will fall into a place of loneliness and despair that can cause depression, even suicide level depression. Everyone should care about that. These aren't guys wanting to get a perfect 10. They are guys who just want to be normal and have a girlfriend.

Point is, no one should stop being human or turn themselves into a sociopath just because their gender has problems. You should care about the problems and suffering of others, regardless of their gender.

MistyMaisel · 2022-11-11T17:10:21+00:00

So, I agree taken on an individual scale all of these complaints are extremely pathetic and petty and reveal a total lack of self-awareness that only Arrested Development could capture well. Like, yes, it's absolutely hilarious and bafflingly stupid for User8675209 to think the fact his dick and dms are as dry as the Sahara is some cataclysmic world-ending society collapsing scenario. You can barely begin to believe a human could have their head so far up their rectum as to think this is a problem with relevancy deserving of much more than a "that sucks, bro".

But, I'm willing to suggest on a grander scale, it might be something worth consideration and a bit of sympathy or empathy. I don't think any of the solutions they propose are valid. I think all the solutions are individual and depend on the person involved. And a lot of the real solutions for the truly damned are going to be acceptance (which of course no one wants to hear). But, I don't think sympathy, empathy, or consideration is something these men really want.

And that's where I would have my hang-up. I think they're full of it pretending that all they want is a kind word and a little hope and some sympathy. They've actively done their best to destroy this and attack anyone who gives it to them. Which tells me this isn't about sympathy, which I think can be freely given and costs nothing. This is about agreement and solution. And that doesn't exist for them at a societal scale. It may not even exist for a lot of them at an individual scale. But it does for a lot of them.

bottleblank · 2022-11-11T13:01:58+00:00

sigh

Here we go again.

To address your title first and to provide a tl;dr before I dive into specifics: Yes, yes you do, if you expect any kind of reciprocal care, respect, and comfort. If you continue to demonise and disregard men's loneliness and pain, they will continue to disregard yours, because that's how it works. Why should men feel a need to protect, serve, respect, coddle women when the amount of consideration we receive in return is... none? Bring something of equal value and not just endless demands, then we'll talk.

Every day I hear of the atrocities women face at the hands of men

Yet you conveniently overlook men being victims of violent women, criminals, overlords, gangs, being de-prioritised in warzones and forced to stay and fight while women and children are extracted immediately without thought?

For years, centuries, perhaps even longer, we have been expected to protect you, prioritise you, support you, pay for you, without any consideration for our own safety, wellbeing, or benefit. It's still true now. We're still expected to be the breadwinner, we're still expected to handle all of our own shit, to survive and prosper without being able to express our true feelings about it, we're still expected to be soldiers, firefighters, police, miners, builders - we're not allowed to be victims, not allowed to have concerns, or fears, or pain, you more or less demonstrated that yourself by telling us that we don't have any problems and if we did they're nothing to do with women. But they are to do with women.

Even today we're told we should step up and be a man, to protect women in the streets, to police our friends, to intervene, and so on. Never are our needs considered, or understood, or validated. They're just cast as unreasonable demands and "privileges" that we're pissed off that we're no longer allowed to have. Nobody appears to care about male suicide, and that's definitely caused at least in party by women and loneliness. Nobody cares about male circumcision, even though many mothers decide that's a perfectly OK thing to do, despite universal agreement that hacking up girls' genitals is an absolute travesty and complete disregard for bodily autonomy. Women are given greater consideration when they commit crimes, because it would be "unfair" to give them the same sentence as a man for the same crime, it must've been some external circumstance, she must've been driven to it by misogyny, it can't have been her fault.

This ain't the age of chivalry and I don't feel appreciated for caring about women. So why should I continue to at the level I've always considered to be reasonable? I'm not anti-women, I don't hate, but I don't care to be used as a meat shield while I'm being called a misogynist and told I don't deserve happiness.

Men have never cared for women's issues- I mean we were oppressed by men for centuries. If a women points out the horrific rape statistics men will just say "but it happens to men too" yes but mostly by other men... its disgusting that men will not give an ounce of sympathy to a mostly women issue, something so disgusting and then expect women to care about them not getting dates??!

Disingenuous interpretation. Men were also oppressed for centuries. Besides which, who granted you the freedoms and privileges you have now? Oh, yeah, men. Men who supposedly had all the power to cruelly deny you, as women, any power or benefit of society. Which you had anyway because you have bags and bags of soft power, being able to manipulate men into doing your bidding, to play the innocent and vulnerable, to act as children who need to be protected at all costs. You're not children, you're adults, and we don't live in an age of perpetual violence (never mind how much you think we do, crime stats are pretty healthy compared to many other eras). You need to have some responsibility for yourself and what you do with the power that you have. Which, of course, now includes the vote, which I should add many men didn't even have unless they were rich and powerful, so don't act like it was some universal right given to men and callously withheld from you as women for centuries.

Take a look at the news, take a look at national and international campaigns, take a look at government propaganda, and tell me that women's issues aren't being given ample airtime. We don't hear about men's needs, men's struggles, no, because every nanosecond of opportunity to talk about anybody's struggles is consumed by women. "10 people died, including 1 woman, this is a disgrace, our women should feel safe, we should dedicate millions of pounds to solving this terrible issue". What about the 9 fucking men? Who gives a shit, right? We're just disposable robots, we always have been disposable robots, and you want to talk about us not caring?

And the reason I do not care for the dating struggles of the men on here in particular is that the majority of them are filled with hate and have bad intentions.

I'm not, but I still get treated as though I am, because nobody wants to take 5 seconds to think "huh, hey, maybe men aren't all the same, and the ones I keep hearing are the loud, obnoxious, outspoken few?".

They embody everything they hate- they are hyper focused on looks, they aim to use women for their pleasure alone, they just want to sleep around, they are extremely judgmental and base women worth on superficial things like looks and n count.

Again, I'm not. I exist, I am real, I am a living breathing example of a lonely man who has not demanded women's sexuality be given to me. Although, yet again, I am accused of doing so because I openly admit that I struggle with severe isolation and a critical lack of intimacy.

The manosphere community spends a lot of time ranting and raving about how women just want "chad" when they themselves want a 20 year old virgin that looks like an Instagram model. Thus it is a big ask for women to care for a group of people who goes out of their way to criticize and judge women, when women did not go out of their way to hurt men. And lets be real, most men complaining about their dating life are really complaining that they cant bang lots of young hot girls...The "red pill" men aren't actually going for the overweight nice girl plain janes- if they did they would have a gf by now.

Blah blah blah blah blah. More generalisations.

But I will take the opportunity to say this: not every man, however nice he is, however respectful he is, however much he tries, "would have a gf by now". Some women are disrespectful, some women are abusive, some women are unkind, and they can do very real damage to a man's chances of success, either psychologically or socially. She can taunt him, she can bully him, she can emotionally abuse him, she can spread malicious rumours about him. Doesn't mean he deserved it, but she can do those things, and some women do do those things. So don't tell me that if men were just nice they'd automatically just succeed and everything would be grand.

When men go through a process of realising that they're not loved, not appreciated, not understood, or validated, or trusted, or involved in society in any way, yes, they get angry, because who the hell wouldn't? You bang on about how women are justified in making the decisions they do because they were "oppressed" for so long, well, why shouldn't a man be able to express his feelings on being outcast and disenfranchised? Just because he has a penis doesn't mean it's shaped like the keys to the city, that's not how "privilege" works.

Holden_Frame · 2022-11-11T20:34:32+00:00

So, basically: A rich person saying they have no sympathy for poor people because poor people commit more violent crimes than rich people.

Therefore, the poor person should either "get rich" or STFU about unions, health care and affordable housing.

"It's their bad, negative, toxic attitude keeping them poor, yet they blame everybody us? No sympathy! Stop acting like money buys happiness!"

blueberrypie02 · 2022-11-11T16:27:05+00:00

I don’t get why your post has to be this harsh. If you come on a forum where people are expressing their frustrations about dating and relationships, it can get pretty messy. The fact that you are expecting the opposite is pretty childish. And if you really don’t care in any capacity, it’s also pointless to be here or atempt to poke the bear.

I’ll be sympathetic or at least try to understand the problems a man has when it comes to interpersonal relationships because the majority of dudes that struggle with this are not the ones comitting the vile acts you listed. The ones that comit those acts actually don’t care to come together and discuss about gender dynamics or shit like that, that’s why your main point is childish. I understand how some of the stuff written here can get too much at times, but if you’re not handling it then take a break. This post doesn’t add anything constructive to the conversation

JoeRMD77 · 2022-11-11T12:51:48+00:00

I think the real issue is that it becomes a slippery slope if too many men feel disavowed by Society. That's the real issue here. If men can't start families and procreate because of socioeconomic conditions, there very well could be an uprising.

I wonder if women ever think about that? Things devolving into violence in certain places because some men are being left out. I'm a liberal but these guys scare the hell out of me with the way they talk around here.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I put myself out there like some of these guys have who got rejected a million times did. Would I also be bitter and talking crazy talk? I don't know.

From my frame of reference, it seems like a lot of women like to antagonize these guys and then throw their hands up in the air when these guys go off when some rampage. One thing I read was that you never want to antagonize a man who didn't have a good upbringing because these guys are so unstable that they could go off by being antagonized in certain ways. In my opinion, the antagonists are just as guilty as the incels. Women aren't coming on here because their lives are perfect, even the ones who are married, they're on here for resentful reasons as well.

So, when you have two sides that seem to be pretty entrenched in their ways, it doesn't look good. You can look up what happens to guys who get rejected too much, they start voting conservative and don't want the minimum wage increased. This seems like a way to get back at women because they mostly vote liberal.

So yeah, women don't need to be sympathetic but they also don't need to stir the pot if they really want to help because these guys are going off out here. They're not going off because they're getting dates with nice women, they're going off because they're getting antagonized by women Who Don't Do Anything But antagonize them.

I lived with a woman who settled for me once and she antagonized the hell out of me the whole relationship. Let's just say it didn't end well. But I hear this from other guys who are dating that all their girlfriend does is cry and complain and I'm assuming it's because deep down they know they settled and they treat the man accordingly.

I think the best advice I can give women is just stay away from men who you're not interested in- and don't antagonize them either. If men strike back because you antagonize them then I don't know what you expect unless you secretly crave the abuse.

Meihuajiancai · 2022-11-11T14:35:53+00:00

Individual women have no reason to care about individual men.

But at a macro level I think, to some degree, we all should care about everyone's struggles. I mean, you want men to care about women's struggles don't you?

Emet22 · 2022-11-11T16:26:48+00:00

Thank you for your comment! I will now go back to work in minus 30 degrees in the oil fields where losing toes is a very real possibility, just so I can support a wife who always complains to me how tough life is raising our kids in a warm home with electricity and lots of food.

You have inspired me to realize just how much worse women have it than men. I will share it with the rest of the all male people I work with, though I think ill wait a couple weeks, as they are a little touchy since one of our coworkers died from a piece of machinery hitting him in the head.

JonMyMon · 2022-11-11T21:21:35+00:00

I hate this fucking “everyone out for themselves”, childish, you hurt me first, mentality. How about everyone tries to have empathy because it helps us connect with other people outside of our own ego? Men are experiencing a loneliness problem. We don’t want you to solve that problem, we simply want you to acknowledge how loneliness is a sad thing lol.

KikiYuyu · 2022-11-11T21:02:09+00:00

I think people need to be sympathetic to people who struggle. Simple as.

2022-11-11T21:59:20+00:00

OP you think I should settle for some overweight plain jane that I have no attraction towards?

novelgrowth22 · 2022-11-11T14:14:23+00:00

women never cared about men's struggles in the first place and men accepted that a long time ago and that's why men form their own groups and mostly try to make it male-dominated. nowadays more men care about women than the opposite and using what happened 50+ years ago as a justification seems silly.

TheEyeOfInfinity · 2022-11-11T13:20:45+00:00

Just like how men don't need to be sympathetic to feminist shit, I agree.

Logical-Confection-7 · 2022-11-11T15:14:52+00:00

I think you are totally right. Is a simple unimportant issue compared with others. Although I think some of the issues women face are related to toxic masculinity. To fight toxic masculinity it has been proposed to construct masculinities, and in that venue, not paying for dinners should be part of that new masculinity. The paying for dinners part makes no sense for example. You may pay for dinners for you friends here and there, but overall it is not expected nor your friends would measure your value based on that. Dates should be about mural interest a nothing speaks better for that than both spending money in the other. This would make men feel more wanted. And u also think new masculinity needs to include the idea that men are sexy and pleasurable to be with like women. I think this would also make men less obsessed with sexual conquest.

2022-11-11T15:20:31+00:00

It seems silly to me that men on here make their dating struggles seem like some big worldwide problem that needs to be addressed. I think these men are so self centered they do not realize there is far worse thing a person can go through than simply not getting dates. Every day I hear of the atrocities women face at the hands of men- gang rapes, murders, kidnapping, molestation, pedophilia, domestic violence, sex trafficking etc.

Just because one is clearly a big problem doesn't mean the other isn't. I'm a social work student and the amount of men with mental health problems, deeply rooted insecurities and a crippling self esteem i see because of modern dating is absurd.

The problem is when these men look for confirmation and validation online by finding others who face the same problems, and that's when the real harmful views start.

Male loneliness is a big problem, but obviously in reddit forums like these it's even worse.

feanoric · 2022-11-11T19:56:43+00:00

I disagree men do not care about women issues. In fact the issue is that they treat them too good, instead of treating them accordingly to their deeds.

In fact women can be narcissistic, cheating, and borderline crazy and get away with it in this society because men give them a free pass.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-11-11T12:35:03+00:00

Men have never cared for women's issues

Women have the right to vote, largely because a predominantly male congress voted for women to have that right. And they got it without being required to register for the draft.

Look around you. Everything you see was built and is maintained by men. The most critical inventions and basic infrastructures that you use on a daily basis. Women fought for their rights, yes, but historically men have always had more power. So women have the rights they do now, in the west, precisely because men DO care about women's issues.

Women don't have to care about men's issues, that's fine, but don't ask for men's support then.

Podlubnyi · 2022-11-11T18:31:47+00:00

what exactly do women do to men?

Female on male crimes typically go unpunished or unacknowledged.

FancyComfortable4678 · 2022-11-11T19:57:24+00:00

In the grand scheme of things mens dating issues are not that bad but I’m sure none of your own personal problems compare to war, famine, and genocide happening in the world so I hope you practice what you preach and never complain about anything ever

Steakman1 · 2022-11-11T13:18:16+00:00

I don’t think sympathy is a limited resource. I do agree that the atrocities you listed happening to women are far worse than men not getting dates. But if the goal is to decrease the amount of gang rapes and molestation happening to women, I think it’s important that people try to understand how those men become that way unless you believe in determinism and we have no free will. Though men who do those things are the worst kinds of people, it’s important to remember that at one point in time they were a normal person/child. Same thing goes for incel men demanding rediculous standards for women and having a hateful attitude towards them. I do think it’s disingenuous to claim almost every guy who’s struggling with women is an incel and therefore nobody should care about struggling men. I also think the struggles of men go beyond the risks of divorce. It’s easy to just label men as oppressors and everything wrong with society. But the problem is that it encourages a tribalistic environment of men versus women which will lead to more men becoming the evil types of people who do the things you mentioned.

Society can either focus on telling women what they can do to decrease their chances of becoming a victim, or focus on creating better environments for men so less become evil people. Usually if you try to lecture a woman on things they shouldn’t do or give any sort of accountability to women so they’re less likely to be raped, it’s met with scrutiny. I do agree that it would be better if women didn’t have to take certain precautions in order to be less likely to be raped. But if the attitude is “fuck men, they’re evil and everything wrong with society,” then women are going to continue to have to do these things to higher degrees. So the other alternative is to focus on how evil men become evil. Just calling evil men evil contributes nothing to the problem. Most gang rapists and murders know that those things are wrong. They just don’t care because they’re broken individuals.

I don’t think it is the sole responsibility of women to create less broken men. But I do think a joint effort is required of both good men and women. I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s only women who don’t care about struggling men’s issues. It’s that people are selfish and will only care about men and women’s issues once it directly affects them.

But if you really have no interest men’s issues, then that’s your choice. Just stop talking about it then. Because antagonising struggling men is only going to lead to the issues you list women going through becoming more common occurrences. You never know if your insults about a man getting no pussy will be the snapping point for him and becoming the next “10 people dead from mass shooting” story. And you can’t get upset when men don’t care about your problems as a woman while sitting there telling them that they’re everything wrong with society.

gymbro718nyc2 · 2022-11-11T14:57:03+00:00

A regular person doesn't even think once about the air he is breathing everyday. Couldn't care less. For a man drowning, that single gasp of air is all he can think about.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-11-11T18:26:18+00:00

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree. It's hard to look at historical oppression because men and women were more of a team back then. It was expected that the male be the super aggro conqueror with high status. SO: just as early feminists claim there is no female nature because women have been bred like dogs, and shaped psychologically, to fit male notions of femininity, one could also say there is no genuine masculinity, and men have just been bred by selection to compete for status in order to win a female. Therefor, female complaints would be like "I bred this dog to be an attack dog and now it won't stop being an asshole, dogs are stupid!"

What you are seeing and reacting to here is the beginnings of male liberation. It took women a l-o-n-g time to get feminism off the ground and to the place where it is today. Today women don't have to take on traditional roles and can be the author of their own being, if you will. But men really have no alternative yet to "manning up" or "don't be a pussy". Your post is just an example of "shut up you whiny bitch-boi" sentiments. Your post is similar to the resistance early feminists faced when men said "you got it good what more do you want?" or "what do women want?" for short.

when women did not go out of their way to hurt men.

There are women who openly and proudly loath men, and they aren't rare, and there are lots of women who sit on heaps of privilege reaped by the aggrandizement of their men, so lets not pretend women are just innocent little angels.

And lets be real, most men complaining about their dating life are really complaining that they cant bang lots of young hot girls...the "red pill" men aren't
actually going for the overweight nice girl plain janes- if they did
they would have a gf by now.

I agree that RP is all over the map about this. What I often think are going to be reasonable expectations usually turn out to be ludicrous when RP guys start to elaborate on them.

Agianttruckofpizza · 2022-11-11T17:26:52+00:00

I never understood the response “men get raped but mostly by other men” like it somehow doesn’t count because it’s men doing it to other men.

Gavoterthrowaway · 2022-11-11T13:28:12+00:00

These posts always reek of privilege. Women get to go through life largely without having to worry about obtaining relationships or sex. If they want it, they'll be able to get it with a reasonable amount of effort, or sometimes without having to try at all. For the majority of men, it's a battle to get anything. And let's face it, sex and relationships are among the things that make life worth living. Take those away and life becomes considerably more bleak.

I think you do need to be at least sympathetic to men's dating struggles. Because the worst thing for any society is too many unhappy and driftless young men. I don't believe women really understand that any rights and privileges they enjoy hinge on enough men willing to extend them. Maybe having such a long period of peace and prosperity has made us take it for granted.

Also, where's the reciprocity? If you want men to care about your issues, you ought to care about theirs. You expect men to care about all your feminist shit when you don't care about what they're going through?

FancyCocktailOlive · 2022-11-11T19:04:12+00:00

Just want to say that I laugh at all the sexless men out there who can’t get a woman.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Have fun being miserable. I know I enjoy it because I DO like seeing men suffer just as much as you like seeing women suffer, probably even more.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-11-11T16:56:29+00:00

Men have never cared for women's issues- I mean we were oppressed by men for centuries.

How did you get the right to vote then? I don't remember women waging a war to end this oppression. The only explanation is that men did in fact care.

SuperCrazy07 · 2022-11-11T19:28:32+00:00

OP you should go seek therapy. I rarely bother to look at post history, but you seem so angry I looked (honestly thought you’d be posting all over FDS, but no).

Your post history is filled with anti-male rage over and over. You’ve either had some traumatic event or have been brainwashed into hating men.

For example, in this post you’re hating on sexless men. But, how often IRL are these men bothering you? Statistically, I probably know men in this category, but it isn’t like in real life they’re sharing this info.

If you’re getting this triggered by sexless men on PPD, maybe you should unsubscribe from the subreddit.

I agree the whining is a little annoying (I always think dudes should be required to post a pic if they are complaining - seriously would solve the “mystery” 95% of the time), but that whining is kinda what you’re signing up for in PP Debate.

Agent_441 · 2022-11-12T00:29:00+00:00

Ok and men shouldn’t do anything for female struggles after all the privileged females always say they don’t need men and kill all men. But of course that’s after men build society and got society through hard times

caption291 · 2022-11-11T18:16:51+00:00

Do you think that men don't care about getting assaulted,killed, robbed etc... just because the person doing it is a man?

Those things happen to men and men do not like them anymore than women do, it doesn't matter that other men are doing it.

So next time you want to say that men are complaining about trivial things. Seriously consider what it means that men endure a lot of very shitty things(from other men) and STILL consider it worthwhile to complain about the "trivial" things that women do.

2022-11-12T01:13:30+00:00

"Men have never cared for women's issues- I mean we were oppressed by men for centuries. "

No.

AbsolutelyNobody0 · 2022-11-11T14:10:37+00:00

Society only exists because men created it. If enough men reject society because they are unable to fulfill their most base desires, then society will collapse. Is that what it's going to take for you to learn what oppression truly means?

abaxeron · 2022-11-11T17:36:27+00:00

And what exactly do women do to men?

In the US alone, women consume the gold equivalent of WW1 reparations imposed onto Germany roughly every 3-4 years through social security alone, abort the equivalent of Jews exterminated in the Holocaust roughly every decade, take heavy drugs during late pregnancy and breastfeeding,

have custody over the child SHE carried and birthed?

and selectively murder babies for being male.

Men have never cared for women's issues- I mean we were oppressed by men for centuries.

Which is why the biggest advocates of women's education, labor rights, and independence have always been mostly men.

psd5 · 2022-11-11T17:37:05+00:00

Thanks to point me out in the last sentence.

Fact is, I do not encourage or support this type of entitlement or resentment from mgtow/inc3l type of men groups. I myself have been banned from such toxic echo chamber groups. I usually have tried to join new videos where they discuss and talk these same topics about women's body count or female hypergamy or shallow/physical features that women care about, even though are not so publicly loud to talk about.

But I understand as well, that whether you specifically or any other woman have empathy for dating issues for many men, is not going to change anything. In the end of the day, we each other have to achieve sex, love or companionship from a woman.

I have no problem admitting to be a loveless, lonely, depressed virgin but I understand there're other unfortunate type of life situations like raping, being disabled or domestic violence. Still, I do not think is a reason to diminish this specific male issue that seem to suffer many more men than women, specially in current western society.

Furthermore, I think the main issue here is that when usually a guy expressed his loneliness and desperation to ever get female desire and love for once, it's instantly classified as entitled or resentful, besides just venting around. It's dehumanizing and degrading a person's struggles.

Unfortunately as a it is, there's a lot of social stigma for a man being a vrgin and not overall support for them. Only shaming a person for not having sex or a relationship will fuel resentment and hatred even further.

Angelio72 · 2022-11-11T22:50:14+00:00

For me, you just saying alot of men struggle with this is a step up. I mean 3 years ago most women denied this issue even existed, so for my concern it's a step up.

It might be because I come from such an extreme feminist area but for you even considering talking about this would kinda be controversial, to me you actually sound very empathetic.

But ofc you realize with this attitude very few men will consider your upper middle class white feminist problems.

Most sexless men in there 20s are guys who got bullied in high school. And who did they get bullied by? Mostly toxic masculine men I would geuss. So it's kinda interesting that the physically weak bullied low status man then later ends up as the enemy of the sympathy social aware feminist women.

I can myself speak to that, I agree with some of of what feminist say about toxic masculinity and ofc the historical struggles of women and I admit that women are still the second gender at least when it come to high status in society has politician and CEO'S of company

But for me it's a bit hard to swallow the whole pill when you only see woke stuff from your perspective. The typical swedish feminist from my generation according to me is a person like the singer Zara Larson . She tweets about toxic masculinity, 3 Smirnoff ice later she hangs out with gang members screaming "free faye" ( Faye is a criminal in jail for assault, al this is on video btw )

You want to talk about beauty standards yet most of your previous boyfriends/ sexual partners have been large black men. It dosent really work for me then.

When I see Iranian women being killed for taking of the hijab I see modern feminist heroes and I applaud there struggles. When I listen to you guys here in the west I mostly see self centred nonsense. Maybe it's good that we think like this ? Because it might be the truth, I mean or problems is nothing compared to the struggles of people in the third world. If you actually think you are an empathic person you should just live as minimalist and donate as much as you can to the people with real problems out there in the world.

iliilliiili · 2022-11-11T14:47:35+00:00

bs, women have never been opressed. Having more legal rights is not opession if you have also proportionally more responsibilities. the opression is a political narrative. women had social privileges men did never have. it was balanced. today its completely imbalanced. men have still more responsibilities than women, still dont have all the social privileges, while women retained all their privileges and on top got not equal but more rights than men. women are legally and socially privileged in all stages of live, in preschool, in school, in college, in any type of career, any legal matter, getting support from other people, dating, etc. their outcomes are just worse because they are lazy from being spoiled, and because they compete on male abilities like a creating resources, like a career.

women owe men everything they touch and have ever seen and value, and instead of being grateful they try to punish us for a hypothetical opression that did never exist, and is just political propaganda do get you to destroy the very thing that men build for centuries that you enjoy and abuse.

its time for women to put themselves second and care about men like they cared for them before women could abuse them at will legally and with no social repercussions.

zombie_still_alive · 2022-11-11T18:13:40+00:00

If live was so easy, so black and white …

You may not want to recognize it, but women can play a role in their struggle, when they humiliate them for being different, call them loser for being too shy or awkward, over protecting their son to the point of not teaching him anything, take advantage of you for being too nice/naive.

I am not condoning hate in any form, but you can understand the frustration that some may feel knowing that often, all the blame is placed on them, which only help making it harder to get out of it.

And then enter social media, which created these cult types groups, like there was only one reason for the problem, everyone is the same and there is only 1 way to live. And they all try to blame everything on others, because changing is hard and they don’t know how, but since women are the one who “choose”, they get blamed every single time. They are also influenced by Hollywood that romanticize the bad boys and often show the nice/shy guy as weak.

I understand how infuriating it can be but I feel that if we don’t understand the problem, it’s not going to go away but get worse. Getting the misogyny out has to be first: no question. If they could understand that, yes, some girls/women can be mean, but certainly not all of them and it’s not always about you. Women, like men, don’t choose who they are attracted to. You can define what make somebody attractive to you, but your sexual attraction is animalistic (including your brain). And yes, they have problems and they may not be responsible for all of them, but they are the only one that can fix them: how unfair it can be, nobody can fix these problems for them. And if they don’t know how, then ask a professional or somebody their trust.

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IntegrityDJones · 2022-11-11T16:42:55+00:00

I say it on here time and time again. I have never seen a man on PPD express empathy at any woman’s dating issues. If a woman got on here and said she was having issues, she’d be attacked left and right for Chad chasing and not daring to date men who physically disgust her to look at.

Yet they whine about compassion and empathy when they have none. My favorite is there “then we won’t care about you back if you don’t care any my dry undesired dick!”…… and I like telling them don’t. IDGAF. What you care about has no value to me or anyone else. I don’t expect random ass men to give a fuck about me. Stop projecting your whiny ass entitlement.

And of course the other answer is there is nothing to feel empathy for. They’ll write word salads and saying things like “lonliness” and “mens mental health” but it was comes down to wanting attractive women to let grotesquely repulsive men use them as cum dumpsters. While also calling those women and thoughts and whores and telling them that letting one of them be a sexual disappointment to her makes her unworthy of a relationship because she’s a slut. There are real issues with actual victims in the world. You whining you’re not sexually desirable isn’t one of them.

odd_cloud · 2022-11-12T00:21:28+00:00

Initially I wanted to argue with you, because I have different perspective on some things that you mentioned. Instead, I'd ask you to imagine that a man, who is significant in your life (brother, cousin, or close friend), came to you and said something like "You know OP, I don't have much success with attracting women, and I am unhappy about it. I tried to figure out why, and I think that attraction between men and women works differently to how people usually describe it".

Vegetable_Ad2008 · 2022-11-12T05:03:28+00:00

breaking news

men can be sympathetic about womens issues and women can be sympathetic about men's issues even if we can never fully understand each other

because we are still the same species

ZukeIRL · 2023-05-08T16:25:39+00:00

So why do we have to feel sympathy for all of your struggles then? Can’t we all just feel empathy for other people’s struggles instead of this tit for tat bullshit

Title	Women do not need to be sympathetic to mens dating struggles
Author	Illustrious-Line-996
Upvotes	5
Comments	228
Date	November 11, 2022 10:20 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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