Which parts of Redpill philosophy do you think have merit?

FaradayBurka · 2023-11-09T16:54:18+00:00

Attraction cannot be negotiated.

Sadsad0088 · 2023-11-09T17:27:30+00:00

Men need strong men in their lives

TiddieEnthusiast · 2023-11-09T19:24:45+00:00

Looks do matter and men should seek to looksmaxx as much as possible.
“She’s not yours, it’s just your turn.” I think this is valuable advise for both genders. No human is ever “yours.” You can’t own or control other people. Don’t hinge 100% of your happiness and identity in having a partner. Don’t self-immolate for a relationship that’s still in the dating phase.
Women are not inherently more moral or less shallow than men.
You can’t negotiate attraction.
Most straight women are attracted to masculinity.
Men who struggle in dating should seek advice from sexually successful men, not women, on how to improve.
There should be more male-only spaces available to foster point 6.

RonMexico432 · 2023-11-09T18:15:27+00:00

Well said. I use to use a lot of self-depreciating humor. I had a female friend ask me about it. "Why are you always so down on yourself?". It gave me a lot to think about. My female friends were always great about talking to me. In high school, a friend once talked to me about a buddy. She told me he was holding me back socially. She said everyone likes me, they just leave me out because they didn't like him. I ended that friendship afterwards. My social life got 10x better afterwards.

Leaving-trunk1 · 2023-11-09T19:17:59+00:00

All those

Safinated · 2023-11-09T17:13:15+00:00

None; the ones that have merit are all common sense

grillopie · 2023-11-09T17:12:26+00:00

I dont agree with 3, 4 and 6.

Dont try to be sherlock holmes. Take what people tell you, especially if its important, at face value. Its more likely to be honest than not. You can supplement that with consideration of the fact that people dont always know what they want, but what they say is incredibly important.
More than dominance, women (people, really) admire perseverance.
Is only true if you really come across as self-pitying.

CBreann913 · 2023-11-09T20:13:10+00:00

Honestly none! I dont understand why this way of thinking is ever considered red pill philosophy because their thinking just puts men and women into gender norm boxes, and perpetuates sexism and exploitative behavior. To me, this is blue pill behavior.

My take: a true red pilled person accepts the realities of life in 2023, by acknowledging men and women are being driven to fight and separate from eachother, while also acknowledging our purpose as men n women is to socialize, grow, and procreate. Our true purpose as humans!

If ppl who claimed to be red pilled truly practiced it, they'd inspire peace and unity between men and women, opposed to having male dominate podcasts, who just try to keep other men away from women, as if we are water and oil, when in reality, we complement eachother like Yin and Yang

8won6 · 2023-11-09T20:58:24+00:00

I'd say about 80% of "redpill" content is deadly accurate. The other 20% is what each individual "influencer" adds which usually silly or extreme. That 20% is usually what people argue and they pretend that silly or extreme stuff is the whole of "redpill".

As a man, once you can decipher the extreme stuff from what actually makes sense then you should be in a better spot.

KikiYuyu · 2023-11-10T05:28:28+00:00

For me I think the redpill makes correct observations sometimes, but I have a problem with the way it reacts to these observations. I honestly think it is detrimental to mental health.

basedmama21 · 2023-11-10T06:28:57+00:00

I agree with all six of those

Rach1943 · 2023-11-09T17:19:17+00:00

I think 6 is way overblown. It's more about how you express and what's it about. cry because your mom died? probably ok

cry becuase you lost your job, and you have no plan for recovery, you decide to sulk and not pick yourself up - anyone would find that unnattractive.

I'm more of a quasi-black piller so I think "looks" is the most important factor by FAR. and that the factors that determine looks are mostly immutable for women (height, facial, hair).

NefariousnessLife220 · 2023-11-09T16:58:43+00:00

#1 to a degree. Nobody wants to be with a slob.

The rest? Nah.

Terrible_Lift · 2023-11-09T17:37:47+00:00

1, 3, and 4 are fairly basic, though 4 has an asterisk. There’s a level of asshole that will be put up with, but there’s also a threshold that once it’s past It’s no longer attractive to women.

1 is common sense. Looks matter. To both sexes. 3 is simply making “observe body language” into something way too fucking complicated for redpill brains to actually understand.

The rest of it is bullshit. Period. I’ve hooked up with and maintained relations with enough women to pretty much guarantee that. Not to mention most of the smart women in here have said the same thing at one point or another, putting those topics to rest and debunking these bullshit theories

cactusbeam777 · 2023-11-09T20:52:45+00:00

Af/bb, hypergamy, branch swinging, orbiters, assume attraction, develop an abundance mentality by actually having lots of options, dare not deer, hold frame, shit tests, she breaks rules for chad, and plenty of other stuff.

WowYouMustBeJoking · 2023-11-09T22:32:58+00:00

AF/BB. For every woman there exists a standard which when met leads to her wanting the man and breaking rules for that man. (For some women that man might not exist in reality, if standards are too high). If she's making you jump through hoops when she didn't make somebody in the past do nearly as much, if she had some experimenting done with others but won't with you - then she's not attracted to you as much.

macone235 · 2023-11-09T22:39:34+00:00

Most of it. There are exceptions, and still a lot of nuance to interactions, but TRP gives a good picture of how women actually are, and what needs to be done as a man to win them over.

Mitoza · 2023-11-09T17:05:58+00:00

I wouldn't listen to anything redpill has to say about women. Its only good advice is its most banal: taking care of yourself and so on.

kendrac83 · 2023-11-09T20:04:20+00:00

If you are a shorter man, you need to looksmaxx.

Try to have some wholesome hobbies(not bar hoppin) that could be unisex.

Be kind to a woman, but speak your mind on issues. She's going to find out your opinions on things eventually, right? Lol

Nurturing feminine trad women types want providers. So offer to pay for dates if you are interested in a more traditional relationship/marriage.

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2023-11-10T00:02:38+00:00

Hyp3rgamy. Women are never truly loyal, t they're always open to an upgrade regardless of how well you treat.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-11-09T17:59:46+00:00

1-6 are true. Especially numbers 2, 3, 5. Those are rules every men should live by.

RED PILL TRUTHS

ATTRACTION CANNOT BE NEGOTIATED

AF/BB

HYPERGAMY

DREAD GAME

RED PILL LIES

ONEITIS

AWALT

SPINNING PLATES IS NECESSARY

63daddy · 2023-11-09T18:04:22+00:00

I agree with how the red pill questions sone traditional dating philosophy that simply doesn’t hold up and offers some proven rules of attraction.

Where I disagree is where agenda and opinion come into play: What men should seek, what women should be like, etc.

I’m all for people having more accurate information, but how they want to apply it is individual and not for a community to decide.

wtknight · 2023-11-09T18:15:37+00:00

Sexual hypergamy for women versus polygyny for men. Everything else is a baseless generalization.

SlowEffective8146 · 2023-11-10T02:24:32+00:00

Dread game is like a last resort before a breakup. It either works or it completely dissolves the relationship (which was doomed anyways) so yea.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2023-11-09T19:47:59+00:00

I agree with all of it. There isn’t one thing here that could be debated

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leosandlattes · 2023-11-09T17:46:26+00:00

I agree completely with 1-3. Especially with observing, and it works with men too. Look at the kind of partner you want and see how they choose their partners. Understand what they commit to. It's good advice for everyone.

The only reason I disagree with 4 is because of "even if the guy is an asshole to others." There's a difference between dominance and asshole, but this could be due to perceiving dominance as leadership and/or drive.

On number 5 - sure, they're not the same, but... por que no los dos? But fundamentally I agree.

I disagree to an extent for 6. Constantly being insecure is what causes the risk of losing attraction or respect. But I think most men want to feel appreciated and respected for being capable and knowledgeable, so I also think if a woman values those things in her man, she's also responsible for helping inspire that kind of confidence in him so that he's less likely to internalize insecurity (which is also coincidentally part of Red Pill for women).

I also believe most men value femininity and agreeableness to some degree (which many people interchange with the term "submissive").

Women are gatekeepers of sex, men are gatekeepers of commitment.

Lina-Inverse · 2023-11-09T18:16:25+00:00

All of those are literally objectively true except for:

If you want to attract and keep quality women, the four pillars are looks, money, social status and personality.

There are 3 pillers looks, money, status, don't lump personality in there, blue pillers think that matters. If you have the other 3 you'd have to almost deliberately try to have a fucked up enough personality not to be able to attract women.

Showing emotion / insecurity / weakness in front of a woman carries the risk of her losing respect and attraction for you. This also includes self-deprecating humor, which should be used sparingly.

Only disagreement is that I think self deprecating humour is fine, insecurity/weakness is obviously a huge no no. Leave that nonsense to blue pillers.

raldabos · 2023-11-09T18:42:23+00:00

no. 1 is true but is not focused on the correct idea. "Looks" is basically your face, not "clealiness/grooming". Remember all the women who were dating men who "didn't clean their ass cause is gay"?. It's well stablished being "dirty" is not as important to get a relationship, what's more important is how good your face look.

It's not everything , which is where I disagree with in.cels, but matters more than most women like to admit.

Peacesquad · 2023-11-09T19:43:39+00:00

Attraction isn’t a choice. And negging has been dead for over a decade but constantly validating and worshipping a woman just for being a woman is very pathetic and will make her lose respect and then attraction for you(the man)

Pretty_Drop4577 · 2023-11-09T19:47:42+00:00

Number is the only one I follow. My brother is a handsome guy who makes average money and has the personality of a lobster but has never struggled to find long term relationships. People make exceptions for you when you’re attractive.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-11-09T20:38:44+00:00

Looks matter. Social skills matter. Improve yourself. Don’t be a doormat. Those are the only RP points I fully agree with.

Money is a tricky one. Yes, rich men get lots of women, but is that why you want a woman to date you? Make money for yourself first and foremost, and date women with their own money if you are afraid of being a “beta bux.”

Watch what they do but also listen to what they say, and remember because one woman’s behavior doesn’t align with what another is saying, that doesn’t mean she is lying or unaware of what she really thinks. People can be bad at articulating what they really want yes, but not everyone is the same either.

Assholes get asshole women and women with issues. Once again, consider if that’s what you actually want and who you actually want to be.

You need both affection and attraction in a romantic relationship. A woman has to be at least somewhat attracted to you from the start or it won’t get off the ground, but women are also usually less sexual than men, so don’t look for male sexuality in women.

If you can’t be vulnerable around your partner, she’s not relationship material. This doesn’t mean whining all the time, but if you are trying to spend your life with someone, you will be weak in front of them sometimes and you need someone who will support you through that.

Dread game, negging, acting like a douche = total trash behavior and will only attract the lowest quality of woman.

Ok-Process-9795 · 2023-11-09T21:22:39+00:00

I agree with number one, and to a degree number two. However, I'd say the reverse is also true. Men don't want to be with a woman who looks and smells like a corps left in a dumpster. A man might be more willing to settle for that, but he won't be happy or grateful.

The rest sounds like women fetishizing traditional masculinity. We all sometimes need to be reminded that gender roles are unattainable social constructs. Men are just people with the same range of human emotional needs and experiences as anyone else.

If a woman can't have affection and empathy for you, she can't love you. She can't even really be attracted to you in any meaningful way because what she's attracted to is a fictional archetype that no one can come close to embodying.

No-Drummer-939 · 2023-11-09T22:14:39+00:00

0 parts of philosophy UNIQUE to the red pill have any real merit.

grown_folks_talkin · 2023-11-09T22:42:37+00:00

Yes
Replace social status with positioning, then yes and that is most important. Status to me means dominance and that is not necessary, but you can't be an NPC. The other three are important but have diminshing returns after a certain point.
Yes and probably most important thing they get right.
Mmm, I don't know maybe. If you have enough qualities of #2 you can overcome this stuff. According to a friend.
N/A
Does not line up with my lived first and second-hand experience. Emotional instability seems like a freaking attraction magnet. The guys I knew who racked up super high n-counts seemed to have feminine brains, as in they have a high appetite for drama and were always into their feelings. This could mean anger-prone but also prone to depression, jealousy and insecurities.

I most strongly disagree with hypergamy if that's part of redpill. Women I've known first or second-hand are constantly getting stuck on dudes for reasons not discernible to my left-brained disposition. From where I sit, these dudes can often be easily replaced by 15-30 fellas from the Club on a Saturday night, but women stay wondering how they can ameliorate the situation with the current dude.

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Zabadoodude · 2023-11-09T22:53:42+00:00

If your only goal is to build attraction, then I would agree with all of these. With the addition of making sure your dick game is on point.

A problem with the red pill is that it downplays the skills that will build a healthy relationship, which is want many men actually want. "Affection is for friends and pets" is all good and great, but if you do not develop affection with your girl she might leave the instant someone more exciting than you comes along. Being an aloof dominant asshole may get you laid, but it's not enough to attract and keep quality women.

Proudvow · 2023-11-10T04:46:55+00:00

Women admire strength and dominance even if the guy is an asshole to others. They despise weakness even if he's otherwise a good person. This has been borne out again and again in real life.

Affection is not attraction. Affection is for friends, family and pets. You can get affection by being nice and friendly, but you won't get sexual/romantic attraction.

Blue pillers failing to understand these is the only reason the sub exists.

I don't agree with every specific of red pill ideology but these core points are so important that any ideology without them is worthless to struggling men.

bikerider6969 · 2023-11-10T05:03:43+00:00

You seem pretty redpilled to me bro haha, you pretty much spelled out every major pillar of the ideology as something you agree with.

Notanothrshitthrow · 2023-11-10T09:33:36+00:00

The parts that have merit are the ones that were broadly accepted by society prior to the formation of the TRP, so I would hesitate to call them true Redpill concepts. Shit like women generally like men with money/status etc.

Redpill is somewhat correct about OLD, but takes the "80/20 rule" far too literally (i.e. that if you're not part of the top whatever % of men it's essentially impossible to get laid)

obviousredflag · 2023-11-10T11:55:05+00:00

Nobody needs red pill. Just read a fucking scientific book about human mating and you are set.

CryptoThroway8205 · 2023-11-10T15:57:47+00:00

That there's hypergamy. Insta model wasn't a thing a generation ago. I follow a few guy streamers who are just as entertaining and higher skilled than girl streamers. If I'm in the girl streamer's chat for 5 minutes (maybe it was a raid when I was away) there's a 50% chance I get a gift sub just because they often have more gift subs and regular subs than viewers. Almost never true for guy streamers.
Guys are still more willing to date someone who has lower expected earning potential than the other way around. More autistic women than men are satisfied with relationships or think they can easily find another partner in a survey I saw. I suspect this is true for most mental illnesses.
I think it's partly sociological and we're still transitioning, but it's also because sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive to bear to childbirth and a self sufficient human.
Race and height matter a lot. This feeds into looks matter. But basically you can do nothing wrong, have no mental disorders, be reasonably fit, socialize, make well over 80% of your peers, and still be rejected by the vast majority of women before they've talked to you. Conversely women will overlook a lot of red flags for a guy who they find physically attractive. Many will go after guys they can't speak a common language with, and not even for the green card or money. They can make far more than the guy.
At some age some women do want to find someone to marry and have kids with. I'm not sure what that age is but what they're looking for in a relationship changes. I've mostly attracted women who were looking for long term anyways but I see more of that now than in my 20s less "looking for short term" on profiles.
Some guys just can't have a hoe phase in the US/Canada. They're only relationship material for girls looking to settle down. More accurately for me I'd have to approach an uncomfortable amount of girls to have a hoe phase. Then again maybe I just need to be more brave. I do think I missed a good opportunity a few months ago and another a few months prior due to passing out.

Hard agree on 3. Dataclysm corroborates people don't know what they want or at least virtue signal. Surveys and what you observe in 2 days of tracking couples show dramatically different things.
Disagree on 4, not sure on 6 probably not true.

Title	Which parts of Redpill philosophy do you think have merit?
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