So there's this idea amongst edgy redditors that "nice guys" are just being nice to get laid and that they're really entitled and insincere.

Many go as far as to say they're not really nice but just manipulative by acting nice to get attention from women.

I used to think that for the longest time, but I'm calling bullshit on it. Not just because that all the assholes and douchebags in high school/college got laid with no problem, it's also the fact that nice guys are honest and have integrity and that's NOT attractive to young women. They value integrity more than anything and that hurts their social development and their chances with girls who are young/immature at that stage.

They are not trendy or risky which is popular and appealing to a young girl. They are also not willing to sacrifice integrity for it. Hence, they are deemed boring.

It's only once women become maternal that they start to appreciate nice men. Even then, it's already created a dent in the psyche of these nice men.

But the frustration that nice men have with dating shouldn't be treated as "manipulation", "insincere" or "entitlement". It should just be recognized that they aren't going to be appealing to women in their younger years.

I feel stupid attacking myself for being a nice guy. It was never my fault. I was frustrated, and I don't that's unreasonable either.

They are genuinely nice. Their frustration does not mean they aren't really nice.

edit: God, I've just realized how much of the advice people give to men is always a way of attacking them and making women feel like the victim. Every fucking time, it's got to be a deficiency in men. Women can do no wrong.