"A true RP man would never let you know he's RP"

XtoDoubt · 2019-10-11T13:28:59+00:00

You don't talk about male / female dynamics with your woman. It's not hard if you're not autistic.

LotBuilder · 2019-10-11T14:56:35+00:00

Yep. Even with other guys you don’t talk about it until they are in a place to really understand. Guys don’t red-pill other guys, women red-pill them and then they seek the RP wisdom.

Eventually you start being able to spot other RP guys in the world but it’s not a huge point of conversation because RP isn’t that complicated.

sublimemongrel · 2019-10-11T13:36:26+00:00

I mean the more manipulation and deceit he uses, the less likely you’d know until that came to light I suppose. Of course many reds will claim red pill isn’t manipulative or deceitful 🤷‍♀️

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-10-11T14:48:04+00:00

Hell, women can't tell the difference between an abusive shit or an actual douchebag (even though all the guys around them can and do warn them repeatedly)...nobody believes they can tell whether a guy is a true natural or has used some source like TRP to learn how to be more comfortable with women to appear like a natural?

Nope....

How many times do the ladies of PPD themselves fall back to the completely opposite tact when it comes to why so many women are addicted to some abusive, violent douche? How many times here have you heard them claim that "he hides it at the start" to rationalize why they are attracted to such men, even when their friends tell them he is abusive or a shit or many times they even hear it from the grapevine from his previous GFs...they don't recognize or ignore the red flags.

Yonderlander · 2019-10-11T14:16:43+00:00

I think the fact he didn't really see women as equals would be apparent very quickly.

SerpentCypher · 2019-10-11T13:36:10+00:00

What is this mythical radar these women have? Is it like when people on here claim things like "women have a 6th sense that can sniff out insincerity, and that's why they don't like NiceGuys"?

Because last I checked women constantly date bad people that treat them like shit anyway.

Women's radars seem to be pretty useless so unless a guy is dumb enough to scream about him being RP 24/7 I don't think it would be that hard to keep it from her.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-10-11T13:48:14+00:00

Just a heads up about the reality of being an rp man in the corporate world in a liberal enclave. If anyone asks your opinion the answer is equality is a noble goal we should all be pursuing blah blah. When you have to constantly lie and present an alternate version of yourself to stay employed keeping the lie going with any people or women you talk to (in name not in practice) is easier than being honest

You have no idea who we are, and lying to liberals is very easy

ToraChan23 · 2019-10-11T14:36:01+00:00

Well seeing that RP encourages confidence, self improvement, social skills, and being on your mission, any man who does this would be considered RP even if he doesn't know what RP is.

And plenty of women date men like this. So they pretty well may be dating RP men who have the traits and have no idea what RP is, or RP men who are RP but aren't like the guys on reddit who feel like they are apart of some "team"

wekacuck · 2019-10-11T14:52:46+00:00

When push comes to shove RP has no definition RP will actually defend.

So ja it's impossible to tell if anyone is some undefined thing that they never tell you they are if they are "doing it right".

Whether or not anyone is RP is basically unfalsifiable. So twerps can just look at some guy and winkwink say "oh ja he's deffo twerp" and accused twerp can say "lol loser go eat shit" and twerpedos are all like smugface qed. ☐

lagavenger · 2019-10-11T14:52:26+00:00

There are definitely people within the RP community (maybe most of them), that just want to be PUA.

I think that’s where this debate stems from.

Many RP habits are just healthy body, healthy mind. And everyone likes people who are healthy, inside and out.

That being said, most self-proclaimed “RP” posts and comments make me cringe. Lots of guys have turned to RP solely as a strategy to pick up women. Sorry bud, you have not mastered the entirety of the human psyche just because you started working out and picked up a chick who was looking to get laid.

Joey_Lopez · 2019-10-11T13:48:55+00:00

Yes I would never mention any of the stuff to anyone. Everyone just thinks I'm a naturally masculine man.

PennnyLame · 2019-10-11T14:45:11+00:00

I fully understand that there are relationships where a man could be RP and a woman not know it. That is fundamentally not the kind of relationship I sought out or am building.

effyouasshole · 2019-10-11T14:22:47+00:00

Once I was FWB's with a woman who read some PUA books so she could spot who the players were. She would even crack jokes about the cringey shit they would do, and I would just laugh along side her.

Yet she had no realization that I was gaming her. Of course, I don't ascribe to the PUA bullshit. I was running real game: being confident, keeping in excellent physical shape, telling funny jokes, being a good leader, etc. She fell in love with me.

Is it straight up manipulation and deception or what?

No. None of it was manipulation or deception. I really was (and am) confident in myself. I really was (and am) in excellent physical shape. None of these things were fake, nor were they done just to dupe one woman. They are my real personality that the entire world sees 100% of the time.

ResponsibleCharacter · 2019-10-11T14:49:30+00:00

No they’re retarded. The only way that will work is if the “relationship” is 100% casual and she also doesn’t give a fuck about him(like he doesn’t about her). If she thinks they’re actually dating, as in serious LTR level, she’ll discuss the world, society, politics, religion — all her personal beliefs with him relatively quickly, and then his scummy views will come to light. Done.

I dated a guy for like 2 weeks who ended up being a republican lmao, immediately dumped

Basically unless she’s also using him, she’s dumb as shit (and therefore has no views), or she’s basically a child (~18-20) and therefore still silly and doesn’t think much about the world at large their BS will not be successful

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Epoch789 · 2019-10-11T15:14:04+00:00

There should be a distinction made between men that have what would be short handed as red pill views and behaviors versus belonging to the RP internet subculture.

Women may be able to spot the latter because they’re looking for it/very feminist-left leaning and the man in question is very heavy handed about the mainstream talking points.

But the former will be harder to ascribe to RP and frankly will be practically invisible if the woman likes the flavor of masculinity presented or is not following pill debates. Even in the subculture men aren’t going to walk around with a billboard that proclaims they read Heartiste IRL.

corey_trevorson · 2019-10-11T15:20:48+00:00

I generally don't let on that I'm not a leftist to people I don't know. Most of us know the "right things to say" or just don't get into it with people who aren't trusted friends. I have to do this though, because I live in a more left leaning place/hang out with people who tend to be on the left.

I'm also not a complete RP ideologue..

AnotherUserName10698 · 2019-10-11T15:37:36+00:00

Sure, it’s entirely possible for someone to give a completely different persona. But people tend to show their true colors over time. All you need to do is pay attention to what people say and do.

MrHerbSherman · 2019-10-11T15:55:28+00:00

Show don’t tell

HWGA_Gallifrey · 2019-10-11T16:00:18+00:00

In a post /#/MeToo era associating with any aspect of the manosphere can be detrimental to your health.

MuleFool42 · 2019-10-11T16:10:44+00:00

It's just a set of decisions that are informed by RP philosophy but that aren't announced as such.

You don't talk about Fight Club.

[deleted] · 2019-10-11T16:14:47+00:00

Since RP has no defined philosophy other than lifting it's impossible to talk about by definition.

acmemetalworks · 2019-10-11T16:21:22+00:00

The First Rule About Red Pill...

goneaway2thewind · 2019-10-11T17:08:58+00:00

Nobody knows what I truly think about red pill irl.... mostly because no one gives a fuck about me lol

squishles · 2019-10-11T17:23:05+00:00

manipulation and deception are hardly necessary to simply not spell out I believe x. If you don't expose something people just assume whatever they want. That's just basic not being a sperg.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-10-11T17:37:39+00:00

The first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club.

I know dudes IRL who I know are RP because we have the same outlook and we can use the lingo and not have to explain what it means. And even when it's just us dudes shooting the shit about guy stuff, we don't openly admit to being RP. There's no good reason.

The women who are the most anti-RP RP and totally confident that they could spot a RP man or RP tactics are the most susceptible to it. Their intense dislike of RP means they (wrongly) assume that all RP men are gross, unattractive weirdo losers. And RP tactics are literally designed to bypass the logical part of the brain and trigger subconscious mating instincts. A guy who does RP well is going to blast right past her anti-RP defenses.

The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that if a girl is strongly attracted to you, you can do/say almost anything and she will love it.

There's nothing really wrong or creepy about RP stuff. It's interesting, I've had girls say "so what's your favorite pickup line" or "how do you pick up girls" and I'll start running through a typical pickup explaining what I'm doing as I'm doing it, like kino and escalation and all that. AND IT STILL FUCKING WORKS. I'll literally explaining how I use this stupid RP bullshit to some chick and she will start getting that look in her eye and start getting turned on just the same.

SmurfESmurferson · 2019-10-11T17:52:33+00:00

If that were actually, monogamous men wouldn’t exist

That said, read the top bar of the sub. This a place to discuss sex and gender. Not just sexual strategy

XtoDoubt · 2019-10-11T17:56:53+00:00

I think he could probably hide the fact that he's red pill. But if women want to avoid Red Pill men, they should really just not be rewarding their awful behavior. Like the whole "soft next" thing, when a woman does anything that bothers them instead of talking to her like an adult, they withdraw attention.

I don't know what world they live in, but male attention is easy to come by. When one withdraws attention, it's simple to go find another.

That being said, there are obviously are women responding to this tactic and to that I say STOP IT! Don't reward that. A man isn't more desirable or mysterious if he is cold and aloof. Go get yourself a man who opens up right away and tells you exactly how he feels. Women need to stop losing interest in men who put them up on a pedestal and shower them with love. Maybe it's because I grew up in a dysfunctional home, but I was never into the cold/aloof thing. I spent way too long trying to get my parents to love me, I'm sure as shit not doing all that with men-especially not when there are so many men who will just catch feelings for you right away and be upfront about it.

It fucking kills me that these Red Pill strategies actually work out for the Red Pill men. It means that women are choosing men who mistreat them and lack respect for them, and it means that the decent men who behave in an emotionally-vulnerable way are often passed over.

It's a real freaking shame :(

mistresswhat · 2019-10-11T18:17:26+00:00

They're prob a bit better at hiding it than the incels but not nearly as good as they think they are. Combination of youth + underestimating women's intelligence + not being very bright to start with = they're not reliable narrators regarding how easy they are to spot.

It's really just repackaged old school sexism, which oddly works as camouflage -- people think they're regular sexists, not nerd sexists.

grand_tiremaster · 2019-10-11T19:03:58+00:00

I love discussing social dynamics with my boyfriend. We both look at things traditionally and he’s socially conservative-ish, and luckily he doesn’t use asktrp or whatever. I wouldn’t mind if he used purple pill. He is over commenting on Youtube vid threads instead. That’s his thing. I don’t stalk him over it.

He doesn’t behave like a plate spinning terper at all, so I don’t think he is a reddit terp. He could be, but everything he does would be hated on by terps.

Dislixicawrighter · 2019-10-11T19:29:13+00:00

RP means Role Play to me. ERP men are where it’s at. You can be as much of a chad as you want. Just be careful because the ERP girls are usually dudes. But if you don’t see a dick, it’s not gay. So it levels out.

toxicdudio · 2019-10-11T19:39:08+00:00

In a relationship, both parties or at least one is rather oblivious to those kind of traits. I think after a relationship, one will realize everything wrong with said person.

CainPrice · 2019-10-11T19:57:32+00:00

How hard is it to not call a woman a replaceable slut to her face, to not grill her about her sex history, and to not run around spouting off about feminism and the ills of society?

In polite company in 2019, when you meet a girl at a bar or off of Tinder, you don't discuss politics or religion or engage in a deep conversation about male-female dynamics. You small talk for an hour over drinks then go home to have sex if you click.

An actual Red Pill guy who goes out and participates in the casual sex culture (as opposed to an internet incel who just writes essays about women all day and never fucks) has fairly average social skills. He talks and acts like a normal person, probably looks okay thanks to his gym habit, and probably acts confident and fun and a lot less annoying than those creepy boring guys who keep trying to buy their way into your pants with kindness, thanks to his Red Pill reading.

It's easy to spot an autistic, socially inept weirdo in public, regardless of whether he's Red Pill or not. If a guy isn't an autistic, socially inept weirdo, the fact that he thinks bad things about women inside of his head, as he plays the game like anybody else, is pretty much invisible.

[deleted] · 2019-10-11T20:40:11+00:00

There is no true RP man. This is some swap on the famous "A true gangster would never let you know he's a gangster" line.

I read it, practiced it, and changed myself to use the better parts and let the rest go. I constantly talk with my wife about what I read and post online, including all the red pill parts but the major fact is:

JUST BECAUSE I AM SUBSCRIBED TO A SUBREDDIT DOESN'T MAKE ME A FUCKING FANATIC.

My list of subs does not put me in a box that explains who I am anymore than my comments encompass who I am as a person. These are narrow expressions in a narrow medium in reaction to a narrow post or comment that I may more may not take seriously. My Reddit username is totally not connected to my public reputation, much like the rest of the people here online.

That means I can be full of shit all the time, lots of people are so using statements found here on reddit to paint a real world picture can be incredibly misaligned.

As close as you get to a "True RP man" are the front runners claiming TRP out in the open, writing books and doing lectures and using TRP as a profit engine. Most the men I know involved in redpill all have negative and positive things to say about each and every one of these individuals, because they are individuals.

The few purists known as 'Vanguards' could probably chime in and verify this claim for you, but there aren't that many of them.

This statement is aimed at too small of a group to draw any accurate conclusions about except that they are all involved deeply with Redpill dogma, thus wouldn't ever bring TRP related subjects up with a woman. Would a woman who doesn't spend much time online, or social media in general, that is also feminine and excellent be such a person as to have no exposure to the redpill? Millions of women can be fit into this grouping.

Many women have never needed and never will need to even bother giving attention to anything we say or do here.

Workaholiconew · 2019-10-12T01:22:34+00:00

Yes, women are better at discovering social cues, and yes, women are better at discovering people's intentions, but women have their views way too warped by emotions, women are too confident in their social skills, women are worse at behaviorist approach and women are too prone to misattribution.

Also, yes, men are worse than women at hiding their true motivations, and yes, men are less likely to hide anything, but lets be real, most men also do not want to hide anything. Men are quite good when they want to hide something, they just prefer a honest approach to life, even if it is a honest approach of being a bad human being. And also, most men also don't just sprout belief and identities left and right like some men and most women do. So they do have some training on seeing inconspicuous.

To answer your question... It is not only that men are better at flying under women's radar than women thing. But that women simply doesn't have that good of a radar in the first place.

To prove my point, let me ask, do you even know what is the stance of men close to you on subjects like freedom of speech? Most women (or men) can't answer this correctly. Because none even asked in the first place, and simply ignored all the behaviors which show their views.

Pontifex_Lucious-II · 2019-10-12T05:17:29+00:00

Craig introduces himself to Sally at a party they are both attending with an overlapping social group. Craig doesn’t come on too strong, asks some questions, then loudly announces to the room everyone is playing charades. Surprise! he picks Sally as a partner. When she succeeds, he gives enthusiastic encouragement; when she fails, he makes fun of her.

After the party Craig asks Sally to either go back to his place or for her number. He accepts any answer to either question then moves on with his life.

How would you deduce Craig believes in RP principles?

FlavFal · 2019-10-11T15:26:40+00:00

This makes zero sense to me. I dislike the very core of RP behavior so there's no way I would be interested in him unless he acted the opposite of what RP says he should act, from the very first moment we met. If he was a "natural RP" I wouldn't be interested either way.

Of course I'd know.

SILENTSAM69 · 2019-10-11T14:27:01+00:00

Well,one of the first rules of being an TRP man is to not talk about it as it only makes you a target. It is not manipulation, or deception. Strange that toy went straight to such extreme assumptions.

sadomasochrist · 2019-10-11T15:19:20+00:00

How would she ever know unless they openly vocalized gender theory or negative female attitudes?

It's just like feminists. They're completely blended into the female population unless they start talking about extremist stuff or being openly hostile\angry\disgruntled, because even normal women who have no interest in gender dynamics at all consider themselves feminists.

DitaVonCleese · 2019-10-11T16:32:08+00:00

As much as you'd like to trick yourself into thinking otherwise, you'll never know you're dating a RP guy unless he's like one of the retards in this sub who shout "RP" or come up with feminazi conspiracy theories.

oh you bet we would know. redpill is just putting a name to an already known bullshit. redpillers didnt invent anything that men hasnt been trying since ages ago and women who are immune to manipulation can recognize all those "tactics" without naming it.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-10-11T18:01:05+00:00

It’s true. It’s adorable to see women say stuff like “would never fall for that shit”. Yes, you would.

I’ve slept with many so called feminists that would believe they are too smart to be “tricked” but go with it anyways. Don’t feel bad ladies, boob jobs work on men just the same

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-10-11T14:31:26+00:00

There isn't any way to get romantically successful without manipulation and flat out lying.

Title	"A true RP man would never let you know he's RP"
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