Why do many western women not even try to conceal red flags anymore?

rus9384 · 2020-03-17T10:28:29+00:00

Lmao, dude, she used you as a beta. Why would she try to conceal red flags on a foodie call?

nasuits90 · 2020-03-17T10:03:22+00:00

Well OP you tolerated it.

trolinski · 2020-03-17T09:33:20+00:00

Social judgement does not matter when you have a pool of infinity men eager to fuck you and even date you if you so wish.

The old rules of giving a shit what others think is a relic of primitive times when you lived in a community of a few dozen or hundred people who all know each other, talk shit and might just lynch you or drive you out town if they’re feeling particularly ornery.

Nowadays if 10000000 people dont like you it doesnt matter because you can just swipe them out of existence and get a fresh batch of thirsty male suckers lined up. Sociopathy simply makes sense in a world of technology, anonymity and interchangeability.

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-03-17T11:15:48+00:00

Yes, she seems trashy and didn’t seem to care about her behaviour or the state of her apartment.

But dollars to donuts, if she had fucked you, this post wouldn’t exist.

jigglypuff__0 · 2020-03-17T14:10:14+00:00

Because of men like you. She can demand drinks, text her other plates, leave her house a mess and know you’ll still be a simp who asks to come over and hopes to fuck.

You are the reason.

I have a feeling if you looked at your conversation more prior to meeting you could have picked up the red flags earlier.

You want a trashy lay you got one. Except you didn’t get laid lol. Tragic.

Barneysparky · 2020-03-17T11:40:43+00:00

If she was so awful why did you continue the date? Your post just sounds like you are mad she didn't have sex with you after you bought her drinks.

Buying those drinks was your choice. Instead of a get to know you coffee, you are the type of guy who tries to run it home on the first meet.

Not a leg to stand on calling this woman trash, as that is exactly what you are advertising for. Your only regret seems to be you didn't get the sex. I guess she wasn't That trashy.

KerPop42 · 2020-03-17T08:55:18+00:00

There are lots of women. Like, billions of them. Mathematically, millions of them are going to be terrible. And the internet allows similar people to group up easily.

SslimReaperr · 2020-03-17T09:25:37+00:00

This one british girl represents all western women? mhmm

Pola_Lita · 2020-03-17T14:46:15+00:00

She doesn't seem very attractive to me, but you didn't seem to object until she said "no sex". You continued to buy drinks and eventually accepted the invitation to her house.

Neither of you behaved very sensibly.

SplushkaMcOwlFace · 2020-03-17T11:00:17+00:00

I don't understand complaints about this girl greeted other guys and getting messages. You clearly didn't even consider this girl for relationships why should be she loyal to you? An adequate girl would not even meet a stranger for drinks and then bring them home, just because of its unsafe. You deliberately choose trashy girls and then complaining that they are trashy. I guess the root of your discontent was that you paid for drinks and didn't get sex. Why not just pay for a sex worker instead?

princessofdenmark__ · 2020-03-17T12:00:08+00:00

Have men become so desperate they would rather date broke, trashy golddiggers than be single?

Yes, you've made that obvious. Why the fuck would you go home with her in the first place?

"WaTchWhAtTheYDo.."

prodopro · 2020-03-17T13:05:38+00:00

You admitted that noticed all of this and yet you never stood up for yourself, and instead ranted about it online, you get NO pitty from me.

diffdedbed · 2020-03-17T14:32:34+00:00

“I don’t have sex with guys on the first night” and proposed that we cuddle and sleep instead, implying she wanted us to keep dating.

There's a kind of special irony here.

Basically you are saying shes total trash but also saying she won't sleep with you and that pissed you off it seems because you figured it was a guaranteed hook up.

goatismycopilot · 2020-03-17T10:07:24+00:00

You are on a trash app looking to hook up with random chicks who is it you were expecting to meet?

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-03-17T10:08:56+00:00

why are you even complaining? they filter themselves out and you again, wtf are you doing on Tinder? Why are you taking a woman to a drinks date insttead of a short coffee date that costs you nothing and you can check for yourself before you get into the mess you got?

> Have men become so desperate they would rather date broke, trashy golddiggers than be single?

Sorry mate, you are one of them playing the game. You are in a better position to answer to this question.

And no, it is not an outlier. I don't know how old are you or in which circles you hang around, but there's DROVES of decent, beautiful, mindful women in across different social groups.

0seagirl · 2020-03-17T11:41:48+00:00

Goodness me. If dealing with behavior like this is "I've lost faith in humanity" level for you, you're very lucky!

The types of red flags we women have to contend with are more along the lines of: Is he going to rape / physically harm me?

Men of the same ilk as the women you're referring to: Trashy men with poor hygiene, poor housekeeping skills and clothing strewn all over the floor is bullshit women have been expected not only to accept, but to deal with / sort out as their wives.

Hedy__Lamarr · 2020-03-17T14:15:11+00:00

Trashy people are trashy. Big surprise! If it was so obvious, why didn't you just leave?

It sounds like you were so desperate for a ONS that you ignored all the red flags. Almost like you saw these red flags as a green light that she was going to be an easy lay, which is what you wanted. And now you're bitter because that ONS didn't happen. Whoops!

Don't try to extrapolate your single experience to say "many western women."

87AudreyHorne · 2020-03-17T09:20:51+00:00

My logic is why be a bad surprise? I'd rather show my flaws and issues and then make sure I'm dating someone who is actually into me and then maybe positively surprise him with time (in my case I always start with really big warnings about emotional boundaries and expectstions). One guy told me he is "in love with me despite the fact I made him incredibly afraid of falling in love with me " well then he is really in love and not "bought".

I dont condone the people you're describing because their type of flaws just make them crap people, but in principle it's like this:

What's the point in being with someone who doesnt suit you
What's the point in being with someone you have to pretend around
Your flaws dont equally bother everyone and some dont even see them as flaws so dont you want to be with those people?
You should be have to "win" love anyway

This is why being yourself IS a good advice although its banal. Unless you're aiming for a single interaction or gain, you're cant connect with anyone genuinely by faking who you are.

Now if you yourself identify some things about you as flaws you want to change then great, do it. But that's your personal reason and business.

ontherailstoday · 2020-03-17T11:26:29+00:00

> her place was incredibly messy and dirty (dirty clothes lying EVERYWHERE, from the main hall to the bathroom, her room and the kitchen - like who the fuck doesn’t even bother pilling dirty clothes in a basket or something??

From what I hear, a non-negligible number of guys are like this too.

zino193 · 2020-03-17T13:12:26+00:00

Fuckboi - low value
Uses "au contraire" unironically

Man, you're a meme.

Your mom was wrong about everything. Being smart does not make you special, it makes you socially wierd.

Being messy, dumb, promiscuous does not make you a bad person, it just means you don't feel the need to try or have other priorities.

You have been raised on a plantation and your standards for human beings is arbitrary with no connection for what real life people are like. Go live in a dorm, or get roomates, you need to desensitize yourself in general before you get to be so preachy and judgy of other people.

Zippo-Cat · 2020-03-17T10:10:17+00:00

Because they don't have to.

FinchRosemta · 2020-03-17T16:12:46+00:00

girl who didn’t even pretend like she’s willing to pay for any of the drinks we ordered and instead kept ordering, expecting me to pay for everything. On our brief date, she greeted at least 3 different dudes who were supposedly “guy friends” and it was obvious there was intimacy, her phone kept flashing all night with notifications from WhatsApp and Tinder,

So all 9f this happens and you still go back to her apartment because there was the possibility of sex? She didn't need to conceal any bad behavior because you clearly were ok with it or at worst didn't care when you thought you were getting sex.

mangolover97 · 2020-03-17T17:06:34+00:00

If they’re looking for a specific type of guy why would they hide it? Displaying themselves honestly serves their needs. They want to weed out guys who are incompatible with their wants. If a woman is looking for a boyfriend that will splurge on and spoil her what’s the point of pretending that she’s egalitarian when it comes to spending? That’s not what she’s looking for and it’s a waste of both people’s time to okay pretend.

It’s good that she did this because when she meets a guy she likes it he like her back he can’t ever say “she changed, she’s not the woman I met” because she showed you who she was from the beginning.

mandoa_sky · 2020-03-17T08:46:29+00:00

surely there's a few clues in her tinder bio?

plus tinder is known for being a hookup app

Nevidimka- · 2020-03-17T13:46:22+00:00

Today in "women can do absolutely nothing right", we've gone from "why are women pretending they are something they are not" to "why can't this woman even pretend she is something she is clearly not "

verdantsound · 2020-03-17T13:41:44+00:00

why do you go out with trashy women? the problem is with the OP

HiDefFX · 2020-03-17T14:22:45+00:00

Why did you even indulge the behaviour? You complained that you see all these red flags but don't stop the date and save yourself the time. You going home with her validates that she doesn't have to put in any effort on a date. It also shows that even though you were pissed at her, you would look past all those red flags just to smash. You're not an observer seeing her do all this without input, you had the option to either confront her or leave.

I hope that you didn't end of paying for those drinks...

misunderstood_9gager · 2020-03-17T12:43:14+00:00

What makes you think you are high value enough for a high value woman? I am not trying to be a dick, but this question is important.

richlad · 2020-03-17T09:33:03+00:00

You can get everything without faking anything.

Women are getting dates and it doesn't matter how trashy they are, men will still pay for dates and have sex with them.

What men most likely won't offer is commitment but many times these women simply capture enough money from thristy men to coast through life easily.

I know plenty of women who live with my friend at his mansion and eat, drink, train (in his home gym), and sleep for free in return of sleeping with him anytime he desires.

What more would they want? These is zero responsibilities there to be had.

somegenerichandle · 2020-03-17T11:25:46+00:00

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dylang92 · 2020-03-17T11:37:21+00:00

I mean why does it really matter to you? You said you’re a low value fuckboy anyway. Just call up someone else

2020-03-17T13:24:45+00:00

This sounds like either an exceptionally bad date or fictional.

iseeyouxo_ · 2020-03-17T13:57:07+00:00

Well, why did you continue on the date anyway and beside it going horrible during the dinner date, you paid and went back to her place ?

Was this girl hot? Nice body? Nice face?

Wouldn't you rather hard pass on sometime showing their true colours then to get sucked it and realize after she is a mess ?

wtknight · 2020-03-17T15:00:53+00:00

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Throughawayman80808 · 2020-03-17T17:05:41+00:00

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

flamingoinghome · 2020-03-17T09:09:02+00:00

Dude, it's a Tinder date/hookup. Where she invited you to her place after.

She was probably just too drunk to hook up once she got home.

DXBrigade · 2020-03-17T12:45:39+00:00

Men find trashy women attractive.

badgersonice · 2020-03-17T10:39:15+00:00

Most women are like this now. Generations of women having all the benefits of modern feminism and traditional femininity with none of the responsibilities are to blame.

Most women are arrogant, entitled and blokey, which they think comes across cute but is really the most repellent thing you'll ever see.

mr4kino · 2020-03-17T11:07:40+00:00

You displayed beta behavior, she wanted to use you for that. As simple as that. If you saw this trashiness and didn't complain or leave on the spot, well obviously she will continue!

If you were displaying alpha features well I guess she wouldn't bullsh*t you with the "I don't blabla on the first date". That's probably the funniest joke of your whole post.

Anyway stay a good man and focus on yourself, the rest will come by itself

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-03-17T12:10:56+00:00

You’re on Tinder for dates.......

“Hey! I dont understand why Im surronded by trash everytime I dumpster dive! Its so mind boggling.”

Edit: FFS go to Neveda or the Netherlands AND JUST GET A HOOKER. Why must you men over complicate things?

Men claim theyre less drama but they hardly tale the easy solution.

2020-03-17T09:01:35+00:00

Dude, we all human and humans can be capable of doing plenty of shit. It’s the self-restraint that put us in a different league. It’s rather a good thing you can see right away all the red flags because then you know not to waste your time.

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Bekiala · 2020-03-17T13:42:14+00:00

I actually think it is a good thing when people wave their red flags. It makes them easier to avoid.

This woman can't possibly represent all women but there are still plenty of women out there who, if they aren't exactly like her, have their own flavor of toxic. I actually think there always have been toxic people.

Curious: why did you go out with her? Also in hind site what would you do differently to avoid this situation?

I'm not blaming you . . . . as my "picker" is not great either. Being attracted to someone can really dull my judgement.

RF111164 · 2020-03-17T16:07:35+00:00

who didn’t even pretend like she’s willing to pay for any of the drinks we ordered and instead kept ordering, expecting me to pay for everything. On our brief date, she greeted at least 3 different dudes who were supposedly “guy friends” and it was obvious there was intimacy, her phone kept flashing all night with notifications from WhatsApp and Tinder, and her place was incredibly messy and dirty (dirty clothes lying EVERYWHERE, from the main hall to the bathroom, her room and the kitchen - like who the fuck doesn’t even bother pilling dirty clothes in a basket or something??).

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wtknight · 2020-03-17T16:54:40+00:00

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TricksterOfFate · 2020-03-17T18:32:24+00:00

Simple! Relations are all about power and domination. Men in the past where providing food and protection, women then had to provide sex and intimacy in order to survive. But after the industrial revolution society evolved in a way to offer women the ability to provide food for themselve and offered them protection. Men lost their provider and protector role, but women did not lost their sexual power. When realistic sex robots will be out, men will then be indepedent from women for sex and intimacy. Which will lead to real equality between the sexes.

80srockinman · 2020-03-17T18:56:26+00:00

She didn't want to keep dating, she wanted to keep using you as much as possible while trying to make you think that you had any chance with her. As soon as she knows you know her bullshit, she will bail and move on to her next victim.

clowned-dot-com · 2020-03-17T22:14:21+00:00

Because the gynocracy has taken control and the truly whorish nature of females is now normalized. We are living in the end of days. May Allah (swt) have mercy upon us.

bonusfruit · 2020-03-17T22:27:31+00:00

They are flexing their astronomical sexual market value. Men are so pitiful and thirsty these days that a woman can openly state that she has 4 kids, a drug problem, doesn't shower or shave, tests positive for a new std called dick desolver, has falsely accused multiple men of assault and sent them to prison. She will still get matches, phone numbers, date offerings and proposals.

pjrnoc · 2020-03-18T02:48:16+00:00

I feel like people like this are just oblivious to how others see them or they’re just very comfy with who they are and maybe don’t see anything wrong with it.

felis_magnetus · 2020-03-18T03:51:27+00:00

I stopped at Tinder. Has a lot more in common with trash than just the first letter. It's good for picking up bimbos, but that's about it. You're a fool, when you expect anything else.

You're also a fool for not walking out on her right there and then, preferably leaving her with a tab to settle.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-03-18T04:08:24+00:00

They're not out of touch with reality, dude, you are.

They face no social consequences for however they want to be. If they want to be upstanding, decent, family women who are responsible at home and at work and are pillars of their community? They can be that. If they want to live kind of frazzled and bum drinks off of the seven dudes they're currently banging with a digital rolodex of on-callers on Tinder, then they can be that. They're women, fam. They're in demand, and society serves them primarily - they are no social consequences for hurting dudes.

Check into reality dude, you're the one with expectations on him. You're the one that doesn't have those choices. Feminists and hyper-religious fundamentalist men and women are the same damn team when it comes to herding you into the paths of life deemed acceptable to you. You are a dude. Society expecting something out of you isn't "oppressive" or "trying to control men" the way that it "is" for women, society expecting something out of you is your responsibility, your duty, and failure to acquiesce is betrayal to us all.

So anyways, chew on that, but yeah, basically it's that. Women face no real social penalty for however they behave to... uh, anyone, actually. To see who rules over you, find out who you can't criticize.

CallMeHaseo · 2020-03-18T05:55:09+00:00

It’s because a lot of girls overvalue themselves these days

Killer_Queen_Daisan · 2020-03-18T08:32:47+00:00

Lesser of two evils,. The worst that a women can do is lie to you about what they want and who they are. The better is showing who they really are, even if what they are is not very appealing.

You know these women are trashy, why date them?

Wexoch · 2020-03-17T10:42:59+00:00

Have men become so desperate they would rather date broke, trashy golddiggers than be single?

yes. The fact that 30% of men doesn't get sex at all, means a large part of the other 70% is having a pretty fucking rough time aswell and having to settle for shit like this.

Wallstreet3 · 2020-03-17T12:11:02+00:00

Male thirst. Male Thirst. And Male Thirst.

Sex Dolls NOW!

BothWaysItGoes · 2020-03-17T13:28:43+00:00

I have literally never had this problem. Either you are dating a way older dating pool that has different expectations or you need to “man up” to stop giving vibes of a creampuff (or both).

Rahim556 · 2020-03-17T14:25:08+00:00

Simps completely changed the dating and hook up market place with their desperation. Simps are the reason for all that's wrong with it.

CHAD_TDK · 2020-03-17T14:31:01+00:00

Think of a woman like that as an iPhone 7.

Think of the SMP as eBay.

That woman puts herself on auction on eBay for 99 cents (to entice buyers), with a reserve price of $3,000 (she's the prize, high expectations, unreasonable expectations)

Guys will bid left and right, 99cents, 1.50, 2.00.... but they have no chance of winning the auction.

Here and there she'll let someone (the Chads of the world) make a call (hookup).

2 years from now she'll lower the price to $500 and wonder: where are all the good buyers?

NeedingAdvice86 · 2020-03-17T15:45:43+00:00

"few Tinder dates lately"

Stopped reading right here....you realize the quality of women who has to resort to internet dating to find men?

Of course, she is going to have more red flags than a Formula 1 race in a blinding snowstorm.....think it over.

Quality women meet 100x guys every single day just going to the local Whole Foods IN REAL LIFE which these women have so totally fucked up with their personality\behavior\reputations that they have to resort to ONL dating.

Look elsewhere for dates...

MubutuDeezNuts · 2020-03-17T16:22:43+00:00

You fucked up if she let you in her apartment but you didn’t smash. The only time that happened to me was when I had to evacuate in her sink.

blueroomb · 2020-03-17T16:32:18+00:00

Op, I feel your pain, but, I usually fuck them. It honestly gets worse. You start to realize that they actually are deluded. And they start to not even be able to conceal the red flags as they beg for you to stay. Or they act like they hate you as they answer your every booty call.

Keep going and just find ones who arnt complete crazy bats. Whose bullshit you can at least deal with. Aka women who understand they are annoying af.

M4sterDis4ster · 2020-03-17T16:52:37+00:00

“I don’t have sex with guys on the first night”

I dont pay dinners on first nights. Now call me crazy.

sadomasochrist · 2020-03-17T22:33:14+00:00

BETA OF THE YEAR AWARD, CAST YOUR VOTES TODAY

Sekina7 · 2020-04-03T11:58:03+00:00

Funny how she is a gold digger because she didn't offer to pay for the rinks on the date YOU asked her out on? She clearly has other choices so next time do not cry when you can't even get a date. NEXT...

Title	Why do many western women not even try to conceal red flags anymore?
Author	Overarching_Chaos
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Date	March 17, 2020 8:40 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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