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I just had a memory from a LONG time ago pop up and 'trigger' me:

Girl I knew in high school, who didn't like me, ultimately thought I was a creep, because I was nervous and really liked her and was not socially gifted. Never touched her once, never did anything but talk to her and ask her to prom, but the term "sexual harassment" was used in reference to me, which simultaneously freaked me the fuck out, and broke my heart a little bit, because I really liked this girl.

There was another guy in our class who was a bona-fide creep. I know, because I would talk with him when it was only guys and he would express himself. But, he was skilled with women. This same girl who thought I was a creep and overstepping boundaries, this guy would do classic stuff like run his fingers through her hair, brush his hand over her forehead, call out her butt size when she walked to the front of the class, etc. And...she fucking loved it. He would get the 'oh, what a cad' smile, because he made it charming, and I didn't know at all how to do that at 17.

To this day, I can pretty much guarantee that girl still thinks I'm a creep, and that I completely deserved how I was treated because I didn't respect women, or see women as people, or had some other deep-seeded moral flaw that her womanly sense had X-ray vision into and all that. You'd think maturity would give her some insight and reflection into this, but no, it's this la-di-da through life for her, never having to gain understanding beyond guys she likes having "I dunno...a certain something. It just happened". And might never gain that insight as long as she lives. And no one will ever require her to.

That's called female privilege, ladies and gentlemen.

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That’s literally the dictionary definition of hypergamy. Marrying up in class or wealth.

The TRP definition of hypergamy is different but related. It’s that modern women are still affected by their biology that drives them to seek the best man they can get to father their children so while men still want to sleep with as many women as possible, women do not want this and want to secure commitment form the best man she can get.

How true it is we’ll never know because evo psych is all just conjecture anyway. But ask yourself this — if you only had enough to buy one house, wouldn’t you want to buy the best house you can get?

Hypergamy as black pillers define it basically means anything women do they don’t like.

feminist bang on about marriage causing rape?

No idea wtf you’re talking about right now

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What does the bakery winning have to do with anything? Yes, they won because it’s absurd to force someone to make a cake. Businesses have the right to refuse service...which is literally my point lmao they do it all the time even when it might not make the most sense business wise. Although women not being able to open a bank account is on another level because you don’t have the right to a wedding cake but being financially independent should be an option for everyone.

It’s like you’re not comprehending anything I’m saying. I brought it up as an example of someone willing to lose a customer due to their beliefs. You made it sound like it’s so outrageous and unbelievable that a business would refuse to allow someone to open an account because “capitalism” when it’s definitely plausible if it goes against their personal beliefs or if they don’t want to piss off a more profitable customer. I think you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

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Its just AF out of the AF/BB paradigm.

Women sleep with as many alpha bros as they want in their prime years because... why not? Would you be willing to sleep with models if presented a chance? chances are you and I will. But we don't because we have to earn our way to get regular sex. So, right from the start, we have to actively strategize and work on ourselves physically, mentally and psychologically and constantly put ourselves out there.

But the reality of women is, this scenario is actually real for them. They have multiple opportunities to have sex with top 20% men so they take it and hope they will somehow snatch that top 20% man for themselves.

So they try. And fail. Try a second time. And fail. Try third time and surprise, surprise... they fail too. And so on for all their 20's. And their 30's too in recent years.

They never learn their lesson because young and middle aged women alike frequently mistake their sexual market value as their true market value so they frequently abuse their monopoly position for sexual access to perpetuate a neoliberal scenario in dating world (rich gets richer, poor gets more poorer in our current economy. So in a similar fashion, top 20% men get 80% of ALL sex from women. The rise of sexlessness among young men in recent years is a perfect example of this)

So to answer your question, they sleep around not because of jealousy, but they HAVE to. Because of the unsustainable nature of female hypergamy running wild that is artificially propped up by multiple interests. (capitalists, leftist ideologies, and in some cases even conservative tradcuck movements too)

All thanks to the intense competition from 80% of all women for these select few % men. The only way you can even get their attention if a woman is a plain jane is to open her legs to those highly sought after men.

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The women that pursued education were usually very wealthy women from elite backgrounds (rich fathers) in the 19th-20th century. The reason they were able to do this, also, was bc, as rich people do, they didn't get married until later ages. In general, rich people in that era got a lot of allowances and privileges they could pay people to look the other way (of course, they still can now, but back then to a much higher degree).

Often times no, there was no legislation barring them - not "oh they could after all," but because it was so inconceivable for the average woman that they didn't need such a law. A woman who applied for college would simply be laughed at the face and denied entry by the college - because discrimination was, at that time, perfectly legal and acceptable in that environment. Most anti discrimination laws didn't come around until much later. So there wasn't necessarily a law barring women from education... They didn't need one, the education structure itself barred them by default. No need to make a law for something that already is prevented. As you said, applications thrown away.

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Everything you've said is just acknowledging what I said is true, though. Women en masse weren't working or pursuing higher education because they just weren't, not that they weren't legally allowed to. A lot of women more or less accepted their roles in the nuclear family structure and rolled with it. The ones who were actively protesting against it in the streets were, like often times, the minority.

As far as discrimination is concerned, it still exists, but has just been reduced to a level where people can't tell whether they're being discriminated against or not, whereas before, they were openly discriminating against people. The law didn't exactly change because there was no law that existed. Maybe it didn't need to exist, but now we have a law that employers have to hide or obscure the fact that they break, so...... yeah, it was more a matter of social acceptance than anything else.

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They weren't because they weren't socially allowed to, which, at that time, was just as literally and physically prohibiting as any legal barring. Actually, it's often more effective - people can get around the law, it's just a concept, but people cannot get around someone physically standing there and forcing you out.

A lot of women more or less accepted their roles in the nuclear family structure and rolled with it.

Yes that's what you do when you are raised that way from day 1. To believe you shouldn't or don't deserve something.

It sounds like you have this concept where legal barring is somehow the sole force of power that's actually legitimate and that anything less means "well women weren't REALLY prohibited they just chose it!" sort of deal. The power of social conditioning and societal forces is just as, if not powerful than, any law, and should not be discredited.

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My source is from looking at various big corporations hiring pages. And that the public discourse getting companies to "care" about diversity.

So lip service with no accountability and twitter slap fights that involve only a few notable companies.

I really don't know why you think this isn't the case when you women have loads of programs and such in regards to STEM. You act like you have no advantage here.

I only have my lived experience. Where I had to pass my classes like everyone else, interview like everyone else, and do my job like everyone else. I didn't participate in any of these supposed "loads of programs" and it still took be a while to find a job out of college even with a STEM degree.

I'm assuming my gender was an advantage at getting interviews, but I can't think of a time where it actually came up during them. No one's ever bragged about me existing with a vagina. Maybe if I sucked at my job it'd be a thing. But I'm a valuable employee on my own merits. 🤷‍♀️

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So lip service with no accountability and twitter slap fights that involve only a few notable companies.

A few notable companies? Go look at any major company career section and you bound to see something.

https://careers.ibm.com/womenibm/

https://www.gm.com/masthead-story/building-female-leaders-of-tomorrow-at-general-motors.html

Not exactly hard to find with a google search.

I didn't participate in any of these supposed "loads of programs" and it still took be a while to find a job out of college even with a STEM degree.

That doesn't mean they don't exist when again you can easily google them and find them easily. And you even admit you likely got interviews for being a woman. And you really think any hiring manger or that manager is going to bring up you are a woman in an interview?

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A few notable companies? Go look at any major company career section and you bound to see something.

I mean, I can go to company websites and find ones who say "diversity is good. :) We toooootally care. :)))" without actually doing anything, and others without much of a mention of diversity at all. But alas, it's not something you can specifically search for in google.

That doesn't mean they don't exist when again you can easily google them and find them easily.

I never said they didn't. They're just vastly outnumbered by the regular gender neutral programs and aren't any more effective beyond telling girls "yOu CaN dO tEcH sTuFf JuSt LiKe BOYS!!! WOW!!!!!" They're not the pipeline to success you seem to think they are.

And you even admit you likely got interviews for being a woman.

Which still means jack if you're not actually hired.

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of course you won't get advanatage from indivudial companies, but women have outsized advantages in general fiends compared to men because of diversity quota many corporations have.

The new buzzword from modern feminists and idpol obsessed activists is equity which is basically calling for a defacto 50% quota for women no matter what.

This means, you will get the job even if you have a terrible or average qualifications whereas men have to hypercompete amongst themselves for the same job.

This means, many men who are more qualified than you will lose out because of the female quota hire that corporations have.

This is actually a big issue in many CA cities and universities. Asian guys spending all their early childhood studying hard day in and day out only for BLM activists to barge in and call for removal if merit based applications in schools and universities.

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Define qualified. They get slammed with a ton of degree holders in the field they're hiring for. These employers have outrageous requirements, though, like asking for 10 years of Windows 10 experience in tech support even before the operating system has fully rolled out, or back in 2013 I saw an ad asking for something like 10 years of Elixir experience for some San Francisco company whose name I forgot. Elixir, you ask? Yes, exactly, who the fuck has ever heard of that programming language. It came out in 2011.

Oh and let's not forget the ever ubiqutous 5 years of working experience that every STEM employer in existence demands for an entry level job.

Most importantly they want all these impossible skills for rock bottom pay. Which is why you have NASA workers living in trailers in the bay area.

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AutoCAD and Pro E are common programs in the workplace. Solidworks (in my experience) is the most common modelling program used in schools. A lot of companies have trouble finding people who can already use the former two because of the latter.

AutoCAD is insanely expensive. No student can afford that. A lot of companies aren't willing to train, and that is their fault, not the workforce's fault.

DMIS-based languages are common in machine programming, yet most people also don't learn about them in school. So a lot of companies have a hard time finding people who can use them.

So why can't these companies develop a training program in schools? When I went to college back in the 1990s Intel and other companies were already there and working with us to help train computer engineering students in the latest stuff... before they started moving computer engineering jobs overseas.

Interesting question... where are these companies think they are going to get AutoCAD and DMIS experts for the entry level jobs they're offering?

Some companies make outrageous demands in their job postings, but those positions tend to either stay open for a long time or wind up with people who lied on their resumes.

Actually in many cases it turns out the job posting was fake; they already hired someone for the job and put up a posting for some internal or government regulatory reason. In any case they never intended to hire anyone.

Also I totally forgot this when I posted: the mass hiring they did in the final Obama/early Trump years destroyed the credibility of the skills gap.

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A lot of companies aren't willing to train, and that is their fault, not the workforce's fault.

Yep. No disagreements there.

So why can't these companies develop a training program in schools?

Because they're dumb and can't fathom actually investing in employees unless they absolutely have to. Also there's disconnect between management and the people actually doing the work. ("Hey we need more people." "No, you're doing just fine as it is." "*quits*" "NO HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?")

Interesting question... where are these companies think they are going to get AutoCAD and DMIS experts for the entry level jobs they're offering?

I will say I haven't seen too many engineering jobs where they're looking for giga experts in entry level positions. I do wonder if that's more of a C/Python/Java/etc... programmer thing than STEM as a whole.

But otherwise, a fair number will send people out for training if they get desperate enough. Products still gotta be made and work's gotta get done. It just takes an axe over their heads to actually do anything about it.

Also I totally forgot this when I posted: the mass hiring they did in the final Obama/early Trump years destroyed the credibility of the skills gap.

I agree to an extent, given the move to outsourcing, automation, and button pushing. But a good number of skills can't be replaced by any of those yet.

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They are right about lots of things, but feminism has a rotten foundation to the core that they practically don't matter at all.

For example, they are right about being pro choice because its her body, and its her choice...... But it also should be HER responsibility. But feminists don't want responsibility for their choices and force men to pay up for their own choices.

So even though I am pro choice, I am starting to get myself acclimated into accepting prolife because of female hypocrisy on this topic. I simply can't stand women using literal prolife logic against men who call for financial abortion. Like...jesus. I was hoping my political support for liberalism would help me but its getting more and more apparent that if I continue to support women, its going to actively harm my own interests. So I stopped bothering.

Another example would be feminists fighting against workplace harassment. Sure, nobody should have to work in a toxic work environment, but the feminist ideology overcompensates and creates uncomfortable working conditions forcing all men to walk on eggshells around female coworkers all for the active purpose of comforting women at men's expense. Fuck that noise.

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Title	Feminism Mega Thread
Author	AutoModerator
Upvotes	9
Comments	451
Date	April 25, 2021 8:00 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/myg8xx/feminism_mega_thread/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/feminism-mega-thread.761125 https://theredarchive.com/post/761125

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