Oklahoma Democrat proposes mandatory vasectomies for boys until they reach "financial and emotional stability"

syedalired21 · 2022-06-27T16:34:19+00:00

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raffu280 · 2022-06-27T15:39:48+00:00

"Eugenics" has come out of the shadows now.

Viesegel · 2022-06-27T16:05:25+00:00

This must be the famous "bodily autonomy" they like to talk about.

pooky311 · 2022-06-27T15:54:44+00:00

Typical response to female rights infringement is not to fight for their rights, but to impose “punishment” on men.

63daddy · 2022-06-27T15:50:22+00:00

There’s a couple other states that have pushed such bills. It’s not humorous, it’s misandrist and a waste of taxpayer dollars that states waste time on such bills.

It’s also a very flawed analogy. I vasectomy isn’t equivalent to an abortion, it’s more equivalent to a tubal ligation and no state is banning tubal ligations.

There’s also a big difference between requiring a procedure and prohibiting a procedure. No state is forcing women to undergo any procedure, so again it’s a ridiculous analogy.

Many of these same democrat politicians are backing the new, incredibly anti-male title ix mandates. It’s hypocritical to advocate discrimination against males, then complain men aren’t rushing to support a “women’s issue”.

RecoveringCoomer · 2022-06-27T16:55:08+00:00

That's stupid. Vasectomies are irreversible. They'll end up permanently sterilizing boys. It would be child abuse.

bottleblank · 2022-06-27T15:47:52+00:00

Oklahoma Democrat can go swallow an untied load.

Fuck outta here with this bullshit. Talk about equality, jesus, you might as well just fire us all into the sun. You know you want to.

DavidByron2 · 2022-06-27T16:49:57+00:00

Politicians used to pander to the KKK in the same way, back in the 1920s.

Pandering to (popular) hate movements; politics 101.

Angryasfk · 2022-06-27T18:37:52+00:00

Clearly being a sm@rt@rse.

Honestly I’m sick of these idiots claiming that mandatory vasectomies are the equivalent of abortion bans. There is a clear difference between preventing someone from doing something and forcing them to do something.

These people actually think that vasectomies are fully reversible too. Which apparently isn’t the case.

BigpapiiJ · 2022-06-27T17:32:49+00:00

The fact this is the way anyone chose to utilize their time 🤡

Sorry_Criticism_3254 · 2022-06-27T17:58:22+00:00

Hahahahhahahaha!

My body, my choice, until it comes to men's bodies. Then it's, 'my body, your choice.'

proteios1 · 2022-06-27T18:07:13+00:00

this law actually read like a temper tantrum from a 3 year old who just wants some attention no matter how foolish they have to act to get it.

RetrogradeIntellekt · 2022-06-27T19:54:55+00:00

So men bare sole responsibility for preventing pregnancy. The woman is just a passive agent with no will of her own. But also men get no say in what happens after pregnancy occurs because women actually do have wills of their own and only their will matters.

Makes sense.

Redbearded_Monkey · 2022-06-27T17:15:16+00:00

Boys, fuck this shit. They are just getting worse,they will want our heads before they give in to common sense. Fuck this, this is insane, i won't be made criminal and less than human or a man because society has lost their collective mind on the subject.

OctaviaPinfold · 2022-06-27T18:54:24+00:00

I propose mandatory lobotomy to politicians who talk this level of stupid

Monster3gamez · 2022-06-27T16:19:11+00:00

Tvh I feel sorry for all Americans

Practical-Rip6471 · 2022-06-27T17:10:57+00:00

The electorate needs to severely punish that Democrat for uttering something so vile and nasty. Previously from history a certain political party and movement tried just such a remedy. His did that turn out for them and their place in history.

Vasectomies are only reversible in 50℅ of operations, therefore he's actually advocating for the sterilisation of 50℅ of boys, because women can't be held to the consequences of their own actions.

Is he going to call for just as intrusive operations on equally young girls until they prove that they are also financially and emotionally stable?

He needs to be recalled and voted out of office immediately.

g1455ofwater · 2022-06-27T18:48:27+00:00

A threat of violence towards all men and a hate crime. Have the other Democrats denounced him and asked him to resign?

MainstreamAcceptance · 2022-06-27T19:40:34+00:00

It's legislative trolling. They don't actually want those laws to pass (and probably will ultimately vote against them) and it's basically just a ridiculously petty way of "owning the rightoids".

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-06-27T17:05:58+00:00

Enough with the ridiculousness. Let’s put away the religion and move forward as a society.

Look at Iran. Afghanistan. They used to be pretty cool places.

Now they’re shit boxes. Why? Religion.

JudgementalChair · 2022-06-27T17:12:04+00:00

I'm financially and emotionally stable, but I will lose both of those when I have a child

Anih1list · 2022-06-28T00:18:58+00:00

“Undoubtedly the proposal is intended to be humorous and is a transparent attempt to “own” state Republicans.” Jokes on him, though, republicans don’t care about male bodily autonomy either (circumcision)

pm_me_your_buttbulge · 2022-06-28T01:58:35+00:00

You'd be surprised how many women learn about tubal ligation reversal... and when they are told "ok, as long as women do something similar" all of a sudden they do a 180 and talk about "fairness".

That's the funny thing. They don't want equality.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2022-06-28T09:33:18+00:00

Apparently, forbidding a medical procedure is equivalent to mandating a medical procedure.

Arguments like the ones this Democrat are making are embarrassing to me, as a pro-choice person.

FormedFecalIncident · 2022-06-27T17:42:54+00:00

Well according to most liberals you can’t assume anyone’s gender anymore so I guess everyone has to be sterilized at birth.

ThrillaDaGuerilla · 2022-06-27T17:29:14+00:00

Democrats being Democrats....same old story.

troubledtimez · 2022-06-27T17:30:00+00:00

Everything is getting weirder day by day

drunkard26 · 2022-06-27T22:32:34+00:00

Better kill me first before you come for my nuts

alclarkey · 2022-06-27T22:35:44+00:00

You guys do realize this is just another stunt to try and make some idiotic point about abortion/the demise of Roe V Wade right?

jadedlonewolf89 · 2022-06-28T01:00:45+00:00

So they’re punishing children that don’t even have the right to vote by trying to take away basic human rights and dehumanizing them. Kudos I suppose for having the audacity to show the world exactly what kind of monster you’re capable of being. Also why does it seem like every year politicians seem more and more like power hungry terrorists?

Legitimate-Ad-6267 · 2022-06-28T01:13:57+00:00

"Overturning roe v wade will be good for men!"

Overturning roe v wade:

Prospectw · 2022-06-28T01:56:09+00:00

This is beyond fucked up. Seeing things like this makes my choice of not moving to the US all the more justified.

thinkb4youspeak · 2022-06-28T03:29:40+00:00

So hopefully this sub is starting to see that red and blue are both terrible for men AND women and you should try voting for progressives. Just for shits and giggles. How could people who trust a dude who has been fighting for working people and the regulation of capitalism for more years than most of us have been alive be worse than red and blue.

How about safety orange and yellow?

freerossulbrich · 2022-06-28T12:55:25+00:00

Can that be reversed?

ivanoud · 2022-06-28T13:00:45+00:00

Fuck off, don't touch the boys

THX8819 · 2022-06-28T15:08:44+00:00

Interesting how this went from an argument for supposed bodily autonomy to suggesting mandatory reproductive procedures done to half the population. For what? Revenge? That’s not constitutional.

BrodieS11 · 2022-06-27T17:02:16+00:00

Canadian here... bring back the god danm coat hanger clinics and call it even, it'd shut em up...

KazukiYahashi · 2022-06-27T16:54:05+00:00

Good thing I’m not in the US, where this is actually crazy enough to become a reality.

With that said, my religion doesn’t allow me to get a vasectomy anyways lol

randomjack420 · 2022-06-27T18:12:28+00:00

As an Oklahoman with two boys, one that is reaching that age now. It will literally be over my dead body. Good thing Oklahoma is a red atare and won't pass such an absurdity.

Forsaken_Mode_2173 · 2022-06-27T18:42:12+00:00

Oh nice... Awesome... What a wonderful day to read.

EviessVeralan · 2022-06-27T20:03:51+00:00

The tendency of some women to demand that men have to be responsible for their choices is astounding.

gnarlin · 2022-06-27T23:33:07+00:00

Is there a competition for the most evil and stupid ideas in the USA right now?

weirdornxtlvl · 2022-06-27T17:22:17+00:00

How about mandatory vasectomies for women until they reach financial and emotional stability.

Sensitive-Ad6609 · 2022-06-27T17:53:47+00:00

I do lean towards democrat, but hell no. Bs!!! :/

Huffers1010 · 2022-06-27T19:09:58+00:00

Discussion of the actual medical implications of this are a mistake, because it's never going to happen. OK, in extremis, crazier things have happened in history, but I don't think anyone, including Dollens, actually intends this to be a serious policy, and we make ourselves look credulous by discussing it as a serious idea.

In short, he's very nearly kidding around for political gain.

What matters is that if someone made this sort of statement, even in the pursuit of some sort of political irony, about women, he would be politically destroyed, his career ruined and he would be required to resign in ignominy. Something similar happened in the UK a year or so ago when a very unpleasant UK politician called Jenny Jones, who I think we can safely describe as an utterly repugnant, hardline, ultra-fundamentalist feminist extremist, proposed in a house of government that all men should be banned from being outside after 6pm.

Jones claimed, as Dollens probably would, that she was being ironic. She kept her job.

This is the sort of extremism that makes moderate and reasonable people start to question the mainstream narrative.

Scumbaggio1845 · 2022-06-27T20:53:52+00:00

He’s suggesting we sterilise the male population and we’re supposed to take this seriously?

First of all how dare he even suggest such a disgustingly invasive and life changing procedure just for being male in such a flippant manner. He should never be allowed to have any influence over other peoples lives because of his clear bias and lack of compassion. Also this sort of willingness to play to the crowd indicates a significant and worrying lack of honour or moral fortitude.

Secondly this is not the appropriate, mature adult reaction to the SCOTUS situation that should be being voiced, this is just regurgitating the type of horrendous anti male hatred we see in other places on Reddit we shall not name.

rabel111 · 2022-06-27T23:52:14+00:00

Typical of the feminist left, their misandry comes out guns blazing whenever they don't get everything they want. Climate change? KILLALLMEN. Abortion laws? KILLALLMEN. Democracy? KILLALLMEN. The sun rises? KILLALLMEN.

zach010 · 2022-06-28T00:47:36+00:00

I think people have been suggesting this as a gotcha, but it doesn't work. It just makes the person suggesting it look crazy.

sunlitekid01 · 2022-06-27T17:12:31+00:00

🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-06-27T19:27:24+00:00

Don't vote for this guy.

ThrownAWAYthot88 · 2022-06-27T22:41:43+00:00

Calm down fellas. This dude is repeating an internet meme to make a point. Infringing on bodily autonomy isn't right for men or woman. Even if he wasn't there is literally no way it would EVER be passed into law. And if by some dystopian disaster it was there would mass chaos.

This isn't feminist rhetoric.

This isn't a cry for sterilization or eugenics.

It's a guy trying to make a point about how fucked up this situation is.

JoryATL · 2022-06-27T19:01:40+00:00

My Ar 15 that you will heve to peyvfrom my cold dead hands will be defending my son. You hwve been warned

DES_STROY_YAH · 2022-06-27T20:47:11+00:00

“I would invite you to co-author a bill that I’m considering next year that would mandate that each male, when they reach puberty, get a mandatory vasectomy that’s only reversible when they reach the point of financial and emotional stability,” Rep. Dollens said in his remarks on the state House floor. “If you think that’s crazy, then I think that maybe you understand how 50% of Oklahomans feel, as well.”

The bill is satire.

APairOfAirPods · 2022-06-27T20:30:48+00:00

I would rather it be illegal for you to reproduce before 25. Obviously if abortion is illegal than that isn’t a option but if they’re a legal adult and haven’t filed for an exemption yet then the state takes them into foster care or they have to provide adoptive parents. It’s the least flawed system I can think of. Oh, and for the love of Fuck a proper sex education. Even if they have to put in “the only fool proof way to prevent an STD or pregnancy is abstinence” if it’ll satiate the religious folk, but then follow it with actual facts about how to use the available contraceptives.

kiadragon · 2022-06-27T20:34:15+00:00

OK. You convinced me. Nobody gets my vote anymore.

Melohdy · 2022-06-27T20:37:00+00:00

Not all vasectomies are reversible.

Fitzftw7 · 2022-06-27T23:55:16+00:00

What… the fuck…

Look, I agree that people in a poor financial state shouldn’t be having kids, but this isn’t the answer.

Anih1list · 2022-06-28T00:16:01+00:00

Well damn I’d never be able do reverse that then.

Organic-Brotha · 2022-06-28T00:33:31+00:00

Let’s not forget that prolonged vasectomies have an extremely low reversal rate

Fujutron · 2022-06-28T00:38:11+00:00

That’s funny, because I have never seen womens reproductive rights associated with their finances… literally ever

Mythandros · 2022-06-28T00:46:35+00:00

He should go fuck himself.

Hengieboy · 2022-06-28T01:23:11+00:00

Not defending this shit bag but he said it was more used as a point because he believes the government is controlling females so he wanted to see how people react

Flaky-Illustrator-52 · 2022-06-28T01:26:27+00:00

Very well, as long as the same is done to females via tubal ligations

McFeely_Smackup · 2022-06-27T21:45:47+00:00

This monkey thinks wasting legislature time with satire is the same as governing.

Apocalypse23x · 2022-06-28T01:02:56+00:00

And once again men are reduced to nothing more than a pay check.

sithsidefarax · 2022-06-28T12:41:17+00:00

🤣🤣🤣🤣- that's all I can input

Madlynumb · 2023-09-23T13:35:16+00:00

would save a lot of women and children from suffering.

nerdy-awesome-guy · 2022-06-27T18:59:11+00:00

These kinds of people are asking for a beating/shooting/burning/whatever the hell else is painful!

NeoNotNeo · 2022-06-28T00:10:12+00:00

Wow. And there is no need for a Mens Rights Movement.

xMoody · 2022-06-27T18:47:41+00:00

lot of actual braindead people in here. this is obviously not intended to pass and only introduced to highlight the hypocrisy of the ease at which government tries to control women's bodies but won't consider doing it to men

pappo4ever · 2022-06-27T19:57:04+00:00

Well you people already let hospitals cut a section of your dick, this is like just finishing the job.

aallport · 2022-06-27T17:23:56+00:00

There's a very good thread from a historian of vasectomys that goes into how weak the "mandatory vasectomies" argument is:

https://twitter.com/sniphist/status/1540765313511219200?t=3IUG1nMri73kecaB8GB63w&s=09

Nb: Very much pro choice, I don't believe anyone should be forced into parenthood!

ApprehensiveGuest698 · 2022-06-27T22:09:29+00:00

Tolerant left, everyone. Just as tolerant as we all remember.

Great-Flan-5896 · 2022-06-28T00:40:53+00:00

It's crazy psycho time.

WingsofSky · 2022-06-28T01:15:26+00:00

Damn. Another politician said this. Thought a Delaware politician wanted something like this.

Some woman.

nigerundayooosmokey · 2022-06-28T01:21:39+00:00

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

intrsurfer6 · 2022-06-28T12:39:35+00:00

Clearly this isn't a serious bill; he introduced it to make the point that if the government can regulate women's bodies with Abortion, it can also do the same for men. Calm down, guys

blade_imaginato1 · 2022-06-27T20:19:54+00:00

Obviously the bill isn't serious, morons. It's mocking the recent scotus decision.

TheOnlyDijaini · 2022-06-28T14:02:35+00:00

As stated before, when this was posted previously, this isn't real but instead is a shaming tactic only taken seriously by conspiracy theorists and the gullible.

Men's rights has enough problems with being taken seriously without getting labeled as a group full of crazy nut jobs who can't discern reality from sarcasm.

This is a stupid article for the following reasons:

Vasectomies have only a 40% reversal success rate after 9 to 14 years. About the same time as a young man will become more emotionally stability but long before they are financially stable.
Doctors will barely give consenting 30 year old adults a vasectomy much less a developing child. It is unethical and goes against the hypocratic oath.
This is pushing the idea that Democrats are out to get you. They aren't. They aren't even doing the basic stuff democrats want them to do. Seriously, you're just not that important to them.
No parent would subject their child to this and I know for a fact that those parents will arm themselves and attempt to kill anyone who attempts a medical procedure on their child without their consent.

Let's stick to actual men's rights issues instead of politically motivated bs.

salty_missile · 2022-06-27T18:44:53+00:00

Bro, it literally says in the article it's a joke.

elenapli · 2022-06-27T17:52:05+00:00

Come on, this is not serious. It is to show how ridiculous it is to restrict women's access to safe legal abortions.

2022-06-27T20:24:04+00:00

It’s meant to be a parody of the pro-life movement.

Read the room, guys

oceansarevast · 2022-06-27T16:15:22+00:00

This is not a bad idea at all. This way boys are protected against (1) females in heat in casual contacts, (2) unwanted pregnancies of girlfriends / wife. (3) No assumed father by default by courts. (4) The extra work needed to become fertile again gives time to the man to really get to know his girlfriend. (5) Females actively negotiating reversing vasectomy gives the man awareness of his sexual and mating value. (7) shifting resources to understanding male mating strategies as low birthrate becomes an economical crisis. I can go on...but they got my endorsement.

jakelukekid · 2022-06-28T02:32:12+00:00

Fuck no. That shits not really reversable

Ptoney1 · 2022-06-28T02:43:31+00:00

Fellas, if you don’t have money, you ain’t gettin NO HONEY

MerlynTrump · 2022-06-28T02:59:37+00:00

Wouldn't it make more sense to ban vasectomies? That seems more similar to banning abortions. The analogy to mandatory vasectomies would be mandatory abortions, right?

meganano · 2022-06-28T03:01:35+00:00

And allow them to have sex with impunity? That would go against all our good Christian values…

meganano · 2022-06-28T03:04:38+00:00

Errbody here wetting their pants at the idea of having their bodies legislated. You do get what this is every time it’s posted right? They’re getting you to react EXACTLY how they want, in order to prove their point. We all know it ain’t gonna happen. It’s a “modest proposal.” Y’all sound like a bunch of wound up biddies pretending like this is even close to a real threat. Just laugh and enjoy the fact that you don’t have to worry about it and go along with your day.

pargofan · 2022-06-28T05:12:02+00:00

He's saying this in Oklahoma, which is 80% Republican. Who exactly is he pandering to?

TheRiverInEgypt · 2022-06-28T06:25:48+00:00

Injustice anywhere is an excuse for injustice everywhere?

AppropriateNet8777 · 2022-06-28T07:03:32+00:00

That statement is so fuckin retarded

CambionClan · 2022-06-28T08:05:03+00:00

They don’t really mean this. A eugenics program would eliminate the left after a few generations. They are just spouting nonsense.

vikarti_anatra · 2022-06-28T10:23:13+00:00

Who will be responsible in cases of medical complications?

Who will be responsible if reversal didn't work?

Who will determine if 'financial and emotional stability' reached?

CDewfus · 2022-06-28T12:48:41+00:00

You guys are dumb. This is meant to be a retort to the abortion ban. Given that you guys are super pissed means you fell for it. Bravo.

Listen, I'm all for men's rights. I'm not getting married due to laws. I think we were actually on a roll playing the long game. What was failed to realize is that this isn't the 70s and more people are becoming non religious and support bodily autonomy (and for those who don't, prolifers get abortions too except they turn around and shun the procedure after they got it because they're different). This isn't helping the cause.

PettyCrocker_ · 2022-06-28T20:08:30+00:00

This is outrageous!!!!

theZodiaCrapper · 2022-06-28T20:27:46+00:00

Men should have the right to terminate pregnancies they don't agree to or want.

MarsRisen · 2022-06-29T20:31:15+00:00

Lmao Democrats REALLY LOVE medical procedures fr. Gender changes, forced vaccinations, abortions and vasectomies. Makes you wonder who finances them?

simpopotamus · 2022-06-30T00:35:54+00:00

Banning one invasive procedure is one thing...
Making another invasive procedure mandatory is something different.

Title	Oklahoma Democrat proposes mandatory vasectomies for boys until they reach "financial and emotional stability"
Author	raffu280
Upvotes	534
Comments	259
Date	June 27, 2022 3:37 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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