When will this be unacceptable..

Seebiscuit369 · 2013-02-13T09:26:45+00:00

It will be unacceptable as soon as men stop spending money at these places. Socially I'm not sure, but if you make the tactic unprofitable then businesses will not do it.

unexpecteditem · 2013-02-13T10:13:59+00:00

Isn't this just standard price discrimination where men and women are segmented markets, in the same way that students are given discounts for admission to museums, or identical DVDs sell much more cheaply in India than in the US?

Business will continue to do this as long as they find it maximizes their profits.

EDIT: In perfect price discrimination each consumer pays the maximum he is willing to pay for the product, and both profits and the quantity of supplied goods may be increased, as shown in this graph.

EDIT2: The video is in.

rbcrusaders · 2013-02-13T11:18:47+00:00

this is one thing i have no problem with. its simply the free market. cheaper women prices means more women

unexpecteditem · 2013-02-13T10:19:53+00:00

If this is a club, it is saying to the ladies, "Offer men a crack at you for $2".

unexpecteditem · 2013-02-13T10:04:32+00:00

Hair cuts?

Context is needed.

Eryemil · 2013-02-13T12:40:21+00:00

It already is here, as well as the rest of the EU.

rawbface · 2013-02-13T13:05:32+00:00

I don't feel like this is a slight towards men. I think it's simply supply and demand economics. It's actually banned in my state on the grounds of gender discrimination, but I don't know one guy who thought that ladies' night was a bad idea.

Dann01 · 2013-02-13T13:06:22+00:00

Blacks: $7
Whites: $5
...
couldn't you just imagine the repercussions

N64Overclocked · 2013-02-13T09:09:06+00:00

When the stereotype of men going into bars "hunting" for a lay is no longer a popular view of how men and women should react to one-another(both parties are at fault for this). So maybe in the next 100 years with our current rate of feminaziism (i know that's not a fucking word) and extreme masculinism (also a made up word).

RallyMech · 2013-02-13T14:20:43+00:00

This is simple incentivism. My local club does this, and ladies night is always the busiest night of the week, on a Thursday.

Before 10pm, 21+ are free, after 10 21+ men $1, 21+ women free, Underage men $10, Underage women $5. No gender based drink specials.

It's not the establishment's problem to fix, or the government's, just society. The root of the problem is the expectation of a man to buy a women drinks. More women = more men = more drinks purchased. The price difference is to keep the ratio favorable.

In certain college towns with heavily female oriented programs (nursing for example) the opposite case happens. Bars have to do what they can to get as many guys as possible.

zrunner9 · 2013-02-13T10:26:28+00:00

This will.always be the norm, guys want to go to places where there are more.women than.men and this encourages that...

Edit I.always thought cake day was for gold.members and it was their actual.birthday, well guess not...cake day for me!

Willy_Billiams · 2013-02-13T12:29:10+00:00

I believe these kinds of "ladies nights" are illegal in California. I'm not 100% positive but I think this type of discrimination is not allowed.

super_swede · 2013-02-13T13:13:37+00:00

Here in Sweden it has been illegal for several years to discriminate in this way. There's still about a 50/50 ratio of men and women in bars and clubs, no changes since before.

pigglemoose · 2013-02-13T09:39:30+00:00

Context?

rapiertwit · 2013-02-13T11:27:40+00:00

There is so much else wrong with clubs like that, who gives a fuck about two bucks. An extra two bucks or your self-respect, which is the greater cost?

NeuroticIntrovert · 2013-02-13T12:39:29+00:00

This sort of thing bothers me a little.

What bothers me a lot is when this is listed as male privilege, because men aren't being commodified.

I'd rather be a valued commodity than unwanted and expendable.

Beckneard · 2013-02-13T12:57:39+00:00

Oh god some guy should do the "HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT GENDER I IDENTIFY WITH CIS SCUM?!?!?" shtick with the bouncer after refusing to pay the "male" price. It could be hilarious.

jaheiner · 2013-02-13T14:38:16+00:00

They want women in cause men will buy them drinks, so basically it will become unacceptable when men stop going there and they get the hint.

improbus · 2013-02-13T15:19:25+00:00

This is a complete non issue and has fuck all to do with "men's rights."

I'm seeing more and more of this kind of petulance upvoted every day in this subreddit when there are real issues to be discussed....you know, like divorce laws and VAWA.

Increasingly, the only things talked about here are Facebook posts and whinging about basic economics.

Everyone wants to be a victim.

CarlJibbs · 2013-02-13T15:21:43+00:00

When men stop wanting to have sex with women.

Gentle-Mang · 2013-02-13T16:03:29+00:00

Well it's obviously there to reflect the "wage gap"... Right guys? Right? Because it's real? Right? Yeah?

Look, I'm sorry guys but I think it's submissions that highlight 'injustices' like this that are contributing to the wider community dismissing you as pathetic whiners. There are real, life wrecking injustices and nonsense going on, and posts like his just make you all look petty.

I mean come on, 2 bux extra to get into a club that hopefully won't be a complete sausage fest... Fucking deal with it

FireReadyAim · 2013-02-13T17:03:40+00:00

Free market.

Take your money somewhere else you god damn baby. This has nothing to do with men's rights.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-02-13T17:09:37+00:00

The problem is men will defend this cuz more poontang in da club innit bruv

Ek0mst0p · 2013-02-13T17:15:45+00:00

You guys do realize most guys go to the club/bar to pick up women. Cheaper drinks for women means more women show up.

kragshot · 2013-02-13T19:33:08+00:00

Not in your lifetime, I'm sorry to say.

Until the dating dynamic swings radically toward the middle in the mainstream population, stuff like that is going to continue to be the norm.

monkeyuncle8 · 2013-02-13T21:34:34+00:00

I really dont think this is unacceptable its a person's own business and they can run it however they want. If they want to tailor to a certain consumer base they can do that, but that means that businesses offering the reverse will get more customers.

SenorSpicyBeans · 2013-02-13T21:43:02+00:00

This is not a men's rights issue. Businesses can charge how they please, and I don't want that changed.

Nobody is forcing you to support businesses who use such tactics. If such a thing were not profitable for them, they wouldn't do it.

Aiomon · 2013-02-13T21:43:44+00:00

Context? I mean in some scenarios, it makes sense. Like for haircutters, it makes sense for them to charge more for women. Where was this?

TheKiwipie · 2013-02-13T22:00:44+00:00

Well. To be fair, in pretty much all hair salons a womans haircut is about 5 bucks more expensive than haircuts for men.

MiniMosher · 2013-02-13T23:27:51+00:00

When you start taking advantage of Capitalism 101: if a club has sexist prices, don't go in, discourage your friends from going in, look for clubs where it's equal and go in there.

What I find strange is that in my experience these sorts of events always have more men in them, I've been to swingers parties where single men get charged like £50 and single women go free, result? huge cockfest for some reason. Bisexual parties tend to have all-encompassing prices and they always seem to have a great mix of guys, girls and inbetweens.

I can't stand ordinary nightclubs anyway, I've never been so bored in my life if I'm honest.

Adonovato · 2013-02-13T10:08:06+00:00

When gay men rule the world...

Hypersapien · 2013-02-13T13:16:32+00:00

You might have included some indication of what this pricing is for. That would make it easier to talk about.

Heterohabilis · 2013-02-13T13:47:30+00:00

I think what's going to end it will be something like this:

1) Woman goes to bar/club that offers reduced cover and drink prices for women.

2) Woman drinks too much and has sex with someone.

3) Woman feels violated, and since she doesn't know her one night stand she decides to sue the bar/club for serving her when she was drunk and for providing the added enticement of cheap alcohol.

4) Because women are almost never legally responsible for their actions she wins her lawsuit.

5) Wise/frightened bar owners everywhere do away with Ladies' Pricing.

And if you think this scenario is too farfetched, similar lawsuits regarding Happy Hour causing men to drive drunk have all but eliminated Happy Hour in some jurisdictions.

PowerWisdomCourage · 2013-02-13T14:06:00+00:00

When men stop paying the increased price.

techiejames · 2013-02-13T14:12:09+00:00

Depends. What is being sold? Sometimes, such information makes a big difference.

bronkula · 2013-02-13T14:41:08+00:00

As soon as private institutions are no longer allowed to create their own pricing scheme based on whatever criteria they see fit. Seriously there is nothing wrong with this. It's a problem of supply and demand, not anything more nefarious.

Poueff · 2013-02-13T14:47:53+00:00

It's a business tactic, it might be sexist but they don't care nor should they - it's what makes them the most money. It's like having a preference of men over women for the same job as the woman might get pregnant, while the man can't.

skamnorth · 2013-02-13T15:06:29+00:00

Its already unacceptable in most of EU I think. At least the Nordic countries. Instead, they go by hair length now, long hair costs more to cut then short hair.

I thought this poster was strange since I always end up spending 2-3 more times the amount then what my SO does on hair. His is short and mine is shoulderlength, and even though its now forbidden to name it a "mens cut", a short hair cut is so much cheaper. I always thought that pricedifference was the norm also without the law. Interesting.

tearsandtears · 2013-02-13T15:08:55+00:00

Personally I don't think this will ever change without government intervention.

To me it seems to be a natural consequence of men's higher sex drive. Men (of course this is on average) want sex more than women, and want to go places with a lot of women. Since women's sex drive is generally lower, they won't seek out men heavy places as much. To correct this imbalance bars provide economic incentives.

dankNbeans12 · 2013-02-13T15:16:25+00:00

When sluts stop showing up for ladies' nights.

drplump · 2013-02-13T16:09:58+00:00

When you claim you are a woman and sue them for trying to overcharge you or prove it.

procom49 · 2013-02-13T16:40:50+00:00

What is this?

2013-02-13T16:44:38+00:00

In reply to the titular question: it will become unacceptable when the entrepreneur who established such a price structure starts losing money. I sell my property at whatever prices I please and to whom I please, and that goes for the proprietor of the establishment in question.

hflol · 2013-02-13T16:56:55+00:00

This doesn't bug me really. They do this so more women come to the club and more men can leave with a woman. Unless this is basic fees for something like a meal, then it's weird.

niels_henrik_abel · 2013-02-13T18:20:00+00:00

Raising numbers to an infinity symbol is never acceptable.

ilovegeorgebush · 2013-02-13T18:21:32+00:00

Context?

Bobsutan · 2013-02-13T19:42:28+00:00

What is this in relation to? I'm guessing a cover charge at a bar?

herbandmargie · 2013-02-13T20:40:20+00:00

Hopefully never.

Let a private business decide how to run its own business.

SexyGreenAndGold · 2013-02-13T20:46:23+00:00

That's weird! Usually it's the other way around... Which makes sense as women (generally) have longer hair.

getfuckingreal · 2013-02-13T21:57:29+00:00

You shouldn't legislate morality, while this is unacceptable I don't want a law against it. Being an asshole shouldn't against the law, nobody is forced to go to this business.

Seand0r · 2013-02-13T22:30:58+00:00

Don't worry. I was in Brazil, me and the girl ended up going to a club on Gay night-- women had to pay $15 while men were free. Made me feel so fuckign good.

2013-02-13T23:17:47+00:00

I don't see why they bother, women spend a tiny fraction of the money men spend in bars. I've regularly went out with groups of girls for years and the story is the same - spirits/wine at a house/apartment before and then into the bar where they'll often bring a small bottle of spirits in their handbags. Once that's gone, it's time to hit guys up for drinks.

I'm not going to pretend that this is only a few of them, it's all of them. Even the ugliest, with the makeup on and the lights down low, can wrangle a few drinks off different guys over the course of a night.

Women go out expecting men to buy them drinks and go for guys who'll buy them drinks. Guys go out expecting to buy girls drinks because girls are expecting them to buy them drinks. It's a circle and I've no idea how to break it.

I'll get a good chuckle at them offering promotional prices to women though because it'll do fuck all for their business.

Sarstan · 2013-02-14T00:33:24+00:00

When men accept being gentlemen or when women accept not being ladies.

Or was that the topic you meant?
On a slightly related note, I have always hated calling women "girls." I've also always hated being called a "guy." I'm a man, damn it! Being called a guy makes me feel like some bum off the street.

buzz7441 · 2013-02-14T01:13:00+00:00

The only reason for this is to get girls to come into the bar to attract more men its makes for a really good profit is it right no is it offensive yes

MRMRising · 2013-02-14T02:58:32+00:00

It will be unacceptable when men stop going to Ladies Night.

ThetaOmega · 2013-02-14T05:01:37+00:00

No one seems to be mentioning that there are several day-to-day items that cost more geared toward women (some hygiene products for example).

Stuff like men forced to pay more for drinks irritates me, but its not completely one sided.

4man · 2013-02-14T08:34:24+00:00

Pubs and nightclubs serve a valuable purpose - they help a discerning man weed out any women not worth the effort. If a woman won't buy her round of drinks then she is expecting to leech off her partner. Time to move on to a better prospect.

DinnerBlasterX · 2013-02-13T13:21:11+00:00

Actually that's illegal on so many levels.

OuiCrudites · 2013-02-13T15:01:28+00:00

Don't buy anything at a place like this

If it is an established club or restaurant write them a nasty review on Yelp

jollygnome123 · 2013-02-13T16:07:41+00:00

Men who go to these places have money to spare, women who go to these places want sugar daddies. How to solve this problem? Don't go to these places. Most bars have a ladies' night, good time to go if you want some very dumb ass. Women who hook up at these kinds of places are skanks anyway. However, you can always cheat the system: get a girlfriend from somewhere else (online, IRL, school, etc. (you know, places where you find classy women)) then go with her to these places. Give her money to buy you both drinks and therefore, drink for cheaper. God knows I'm not rich but I'm a college student with a wonderfully smart girlfriend in grad school, and we both know the value of a buck. Then again, we generally get wine for ourselves and friends anyways, and never go to these places because we're not desperate for attention from others anyway (fairly healthy relationship).

Moral of the story? This:

Got extra money? Go hook up with a skank at one of these bars and get AIDS or herpes.

Are you a smart and worthwhile human being? Get a girl somewhere else; if you're not finding anyone then you're the problem because you're not lowering your standards enough (or just not trying enough). Don't be unrealistic and don't be stupid. Never stick your dick in crazy or stupid.

This will be unacceptable when our culture evolves and retarded swaggots, man-babies, idiot-child-women and filthy skanks have been killed off by evolution.

mccreac123 · 2013-02-13T16:08:38+00:00

When women get paid the same as men.

goldsorter · 2013-02-13T16:47:35+00:00

I am assuming that this is a bar or club of some kind.

This price discrepancy seems like a business decision made by the owner. Men who want to meet women will go where the women are. Making admittance/drink prices/etc cheaper for women increases the chance that women will be at this establishment, which in turn increases the amount of men who will go there to meet said women.

More total customers means more profit for the business, and I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of societal tendencies to make some money.

cmcagle · 2013-02-13T17:12:06+00:00

Do you mean the difference in pricing or terminology? I don't have a real problem with the former; if a bar wants to attract customers by playing Cupid, it may make economic sense to charge women less than men for a host of reasons (mostly tracing back to women's status as the limiting resource of reproduction). On the other hand, I am slightly bothered by the terminology; why are women always "ladies" while men are only "men"? Isn't "gentlemen" the proper gendered counterpart to "ladies"?

stop_stalking_me · 2013-02-13T17:12:42+00:00

Obviously it's because of the wage gap duh.

<sup>sarcasm</sup>

shobb592 · 2013-02-13T17:35:32+00:00

This looks like it belongs in a male version of SRSMicroAggressions. It's a bar cover, who gives a fuck.

phantom_nosehair · 2013-02-13T17:46:56+00:00

I have no problem with this. This is basic biology.

blauster · 2013-02-13T17:55:54+00:00

Not a lot of context here but I assume that's for a bar/club? If that's the case, it makes perfect business sense to do that. Nobody wants to go to a club will all men and no women (excepting gay clubs of course). I hate sexism as much as anyone, but this isn't that.

2013-02-13T20:34:47+00:00

The problem with this is that, if they're going to do, they really need to take it all the way.

We all know that the business reason for this is that more hot chicks attract more paying guys. The problem is, there's no distinction between hot chicks and... well... other chicks.

Sign should read:

Men - $7.00

Hot Chicks - Free

Fat Chicks - $20.00

Married Chicks - $15.00

Ugly Chicks - $12.00

Feminists - $30.00

And it shouldn't be either/or, it is cumulative. So if you get a fat, ugly married feminist, she's gotta pony up $77.00 to get in. With a policy like that, you aren't going to have any fat, ugly, married feminists in the club; and that's just good for everyone.

2013-02-13T21:58:57+00:00

What if it were changed from "Men: $7, Ladies: $5" to "Blacks: $7, Other: $5"?

That's interesting. Maybe we'll find a place that will do something like that, ya know. Have different prices for sexes on one day, race on another, religion, etc..

I'd like to see a social reaction to it.

Title	When will this be unacceptable..
Author	hydroxygen
Upvotes	359
Comments	224
Date	February 13, 2013 6:29 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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