"Why?" is this even a serious question?

radrler · 2013-01-03T17:48:45+00:00

Because men don't rape. Rapists do. And rapists don't give a fuck what you tell them to do. The whole "don't rape" campaign is really just a way for feminists to insult men.

Coinin · 2013-01-03T17:52:15+00:00

Men have been told for decades not to rape and some still do. Women have never been told not to rape and some still do. Its almost as though rape isn't exclusively committed by either men or women, but maybe, just maybe, rapists rape.

Coinin · 2013-01-03T18:43:57+00:00

I remember seeing posters for this in college and wondering what the hell was going through their heads. I didn't realise at the time that they seriously thought that I might rape someone if noone told me not to.

rbrink13 · 2013-01-03T19:42:00+00:00

Pretty sure thou shalt not kill was on the tablets and we still have murder. No matter how hard you try, there are still going to be evil people out there.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-01-03T19:09:59+00:00

Because criminals aren't usually swayed by reminders that they shouldn't be criminals.

You may as well use "don't murder/steal/abuse/etc" as your sole preventative method to stop murder, theft, abuse, etc.

ekrej · 2013-01-03T21:16:13+00:00

As a women, I hate when people assume that only men rape. That statement is ridiculous because yes, for decades people have told men not to rape, but numbers aren't going to go down because a) rapists aren't going to give a fuck if you tell them "don't rape someone!" and b) women can also be rapists. Society seems to forget that all the damn time.

bluefootedpig · 2013-01-03T19:44:27+00:00

women have been told to wait until marriage before having children, yet we still have out of wedlock pregnancies. Why has telling women to wait for marriage not fixed the problem yet?

2013-01-03T20:50:19+00:00

I would take it seriously from a five year old. From an adult it displays an infantile desire to live in a perfect world and a stubborn insistence on seeing things as they ought to be instead of as they are.

2013-01-03T20:52:35+00:00

Have we tried establishing "rape free" zones? That might help.

dgafuan · 2013-01-03T20:58:02+00:00

No one told me not to rape, I just assumed it was a common courtesy. I've never been more wrong in my life..

Watermelon_Salesman · 2013-01-03T21:53:52+00:00

Suppose you lived in a city where most homicides are commited by blacks, what would that say about black people in general?

Nothing. It doesn't mean "black people kill". It would never justify campaigns such as "Only black people can stop murder."

Yet, for some reason, when it's "men" and "rape", the inverse logic applies: if it's mostly men doing the raping, then men are responsible.

What the fucking fuck. Which fallacy is this?

FangDangler · 2013-01-03T20:13:14+00:00

How many years has the government and church and people's parents say "Don't do drugs", "Don't rob", "Don't kill anyone" and seemed to not have resulted in a significant decrease in the occurrence of drug abuse, stabbings and shootings?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-01-03T20:15:45+00:00

Because we keep redefining it more broadly?

dungone · 2013-01-03T22:50:30+00:00

It's the only kind of question an ideologue ever asks: fully loaded.

generalCopper · 2013-01-03T20:47:38+00:00

I approve of this question. You can discuss it on facebook and explain your thought process to the people on there. Different meanings for different people.

Some will say "It's because men don't listen and are terrible creatures."

You will say "Because men don't rape. Rapists do." -Casperfec

It opens the question to discussion which is what we should want and need in order to expand the thoughts and minds of others.

Not_A_Complete_Loser · 2013-01-03T19:01:50+00:00

Do we have any statistics showing the ratio between male and female rapists? It would be nice to have some facts here please...

2013-01-03T21:07:50+00:00

For the same reason politely asking murderers not to murder hasn't eliminated murder: because the world is filled with people who hurt other people for their own wickedness. And people who say, "Come, let us lie in wait for blood" are not prone to being convinced through rational discourse.

Hell, how many times have we asked female teachers to stop committing statutory rape, and they won't? How many times have we asked mothers to stop physically abusing their male children, and they won't?

Thecrumblingcookie · 2013-01-03T23:44:54+00:00

This sounds like a point in favor of mras honestly. It's kind of pointing out how "Gee you see how saying don't rape hasn't been working? So why are you still saying it?"

Sort of like the definition of insanity. I don't really know the context though.

brauhze · 2013-01-04T02:34:05+00:00

According to RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network), rape has decreased by 60% since 1993. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault)

As a general trend, violent crime in the United States continues to drop, something that is easy to miss in a steady diet of the evening news.

DavidByron · 2013-01-03T18:35:23+00:00

Because rape discussions are just a vehicle for promoting anti-male slurs by the feminist hate movement.

romulusnr · 2013-01-03T23:49:25+00:00

The question should read, "Why has decades of telling rapists 'Don't Rape' not seemed to have resulted in a significant decrease in the occurrence of rape?" I've got a question. Why doesn't this movement use the obvious reach it has to educate the public with meaningful information to promote safety and awareness instead of spewing useless tripe that literally offers nothing to the cause? An uneducated public is a vulnerable public. Where is the proactive approach? The last time I checked, we didn't have a Rape Radar that allows us to stop rapes before they occur. Does that not require one to be proactive? That being said, why has yelling "rapists, no raping!" for decades not worked? There's your answer.

EDIT: Formatting, grammar

Dirty_Delta · 2013-01-03T23:51:19+00:00

Same reason centuries of "thou shalt not kill" haven't worked. Same reason decades of "dont do drugs" hasn't worked. Same reason millennia of "do not steal" haven't worked. It is all about individuals placing their needs over another, not for power always (like war) but maybe for greed? Or another reason?

Electroverted · 2013-01-04T06:27:24+00:00

What a stupid question.

"Why has centuries of telling people 'Don't Kill' not seemed to have resulted in a significant decrease in the occurrence of murder?" - The Ghost of Moses

spudmcnally · 2013-01-04T15:51:33+00:00

i used to rape people all the time, then a few months ago someone said "you stop that, you stop it right now." and i was like, oh, okay. and never raped again.

-said no one ever.

2013-01-03T20:55:11+00:00

To be honest, I didn't come across this type of stuff until last year. It must be because of my social circles, or I am not in the right area, but seeing a campaign to specifically stop men from raping is relatively new to me.

I am trying to figure out the questions relative merit because if this whole movement was new to me, as someone who lives in the United States, I am not really sure what to say about foreign countries.

geodebug · 2013-01-03T21:55:38+00:00

I would say the question is incorrect in its assertion.

Society has changed over time, so has the definition of rape. Just last year the US Department of Justice redefined rape to be:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

This was a win for men and women alike.

Women were considered property in prior centuries so it could be said that ongoing discussion and redefinition of rape has caused fewer men to rape by today's standard (you can no longer legally rape your wife or a slave for example). That's part of humanities continual enlightenment.

The problem with the Facebook post and other similar milquetoast campaigns is that it relies on gut feelings, not facts.

If women and men want to reduce the actual incidents of rape then we must work together to find out if we can identify potential rapists early, see if they have any correlating data to each other (poverty, childhood abuse, etc) and then take action with that data.

Of course, that's hard and requires serious science instead of emotional poetry. Thank goodness for the real statisticians, sociologists, psychologists, and law enforcement personnel who are actually interested in reducing the occurrence of rape and increasing the knowledge on how to prevent being assaulted.

Too bad there are many in those fields with a personal agenda that gets in the way of the work.

Edit: Need to call out an unscrupulous redditor:

In the comments below dungone has retroactively edited every one of his comments, sometimes replacing entire blocks of text. I'm guessing he does this a lot to fellow /r/mensrights and redditors alike given his comment history is loaded with edit-stars where there is no indication of what was actually changed.

It's a bullshit way to attempt to 'win the thread'.

Anyway, it's frustrating and figured I'd let you all know about it since that's about all I can do.

I don't need everybody to agree with what I say here but I'd hope for a bit more integrity. What kind of person can't even stand by his own words in such a low-risk arena?

Chamoflage · 2013-01-03T22:34:10+00:00

Because crime does not work that way.

Always_Doubtful · 2013-01-03T22:43:02+00:00

Theres alot of feminist style questions but seriously honest well thought out discussions which i'm amazed to see.

blueoak9 · 2013-01-03T22:57:46+00:00

Hasn't the incidence of rape dropped significantly in the past ten or twenty years anyway, for whatever reason? How is this question not plain old damseling?

NUMBERS2357 · 2013-01-04T01:11:08+00:00

Well, rape has gone down. Not because of "telling men not to rape" but because of unleaded gasoline.

16894 · 2013-01-04T03:10:48+00:00

So at what age will I wake up one day with this uncontrollable urge to rape people? Do I need a van? Also I am a young white male, does this happen sooner or later to me?

mtux96 · 2013-01-05T01:25:12+00:00

Telling people to not rape that were not going to rape does nothing.

Rapists do not take because they were not told not too buy rather because they are rapists. Throughout life most people understand rape is bad. Some people just don't follow the laws.

2013-01-04T00:26:04+00:00

Because people die and are replaced by new people.

TheRadBaron · 2013-01-04T03:01:16+00:00

Men have been told not to rape for a long time, and rape is a lot less common in the developed world than it used to be back when it was socially acceptable, and it wouldn't be at all unreasonable to correlate the two.

Where most of us live the issue is that rape is already extremely socially stigmatized, often regarded as worse than murder, and this "why don't we tell men not to rape" business is just facetious pandering with a dash of misandry.

giegerwasright · 2013-01-04T19:11:02+00:00

Rape has declined quite a bit in the last thousand years. Just because we got mass media 30 years ago doesn't mean the problem was going to be completely solved in just a few decades.

Yes. It's a problem. Yes. It needs to be solved. Insisting on those two facts aren't going to solve that problem. Recognizing how the situation has been improved and learning from that will.

But first you have to admit that quite a bit of relative headway has been made.

occupythekitchen · 2013-01-04T02:02:30+00:00

I think that was sarcasm. You can't stop a rapist and instead of blaming men we should acknowledge that there are shitty people in the world that will rape and a woman's best line of defense is herself if she ever finds herself into that situation.

I am tired of the feigned outrage when there is a massacre because in my world some people are insane and insanity is very much part of it.

romulusnr · 2013-01-04T00:19:26+00:00

Because men don't listen to reason, duh!

Piss_Marks_MY_Spot · 2013-01-04T01:17:25+00:00

Maybe we should change the campaign. Tell women not to get raped instead. Men are hard headed /s

Title	"Why?" is this even a serious question?
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Date	January 3, 2013 5:42 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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