HIGH BODY COUNT DOESN'T MATTER

HazyMemory7 · 2022-09-18T13:12:12+00:00

Nah it's just gross

bootyhunter69420 · 2022-09-18T13:21:22+00:00

A high body count is very unattractive to me, but a girl with a low body count can cheat all the same.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-09-18T13:06:57+00:00

She could fuck 100 dudes who are 5' tall lepers with micropenises and I'd still think she was lower value than a normal n count girl.

And I agree, high n men are also at a higher risk of cheating.

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-18T15:43:44+00:00

Idgaf what anybody says body count most definitely does matter. Women want men with higher body counts and men want women with low body counts. The reason why holes and sluts can't pair bond when they've been fucked by tons of men is because every time they have sex with a new man they're giving away a piece of themselves. So that when she finally does decide to settle down she can't emotionally Bond to that man because she's already been with so many other men. Besides no high value alpha stud or any self-respected man worth his salt wants to wife up commit to and marry a hoe or a slut that's been fucked by so many tons of men didn't have multiple different dicks packed inside her coochie one after the other. Women want men with higher body counts because that shows that he's desirable he's high value. Most women want men that other women want. That's the preselective component of female nature. When a woman sees that attractive women want a man those attractive women have done to work for her in terms of her deciding if she wants that man or not. A guy like me for instance who is an extremely sexually frustrated 20 year old and involuntarily celibate virgin is undesired and unwanted by the vast majority of women. Of course I can change that but it's going to take a lot of work which I am way more than happy and willing to do. When girls see that a guy has a low body count she's going to believe that okay girls don't want there's something wrong with him she's not going to want him neither.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2022-09-18T14:37:38+00:00

No. A woman with a high body count indicates she likely:

• is impulsive

• lacks self control

• views sex differently

• views men as disposable

• uses sex to cope with other traumas

These are not characteristics of someone suitable for a long term relationship.

LaloTwins · 2022-09-18T13:53:31+00:00

This is a distinction without a difference.

What you're saying is that the body count preference is about probability and it isn't set in stone that a woman with a high body count will bring the feared issues in a relationship.

The thing is though that argument can be made about any predictive system on the planet.

Human beings can't know the future we use systems to approximate future consequences and act based off of that.

If a man threatens to hit a woman a lot of women won't want to date him. He may never actually hit a woman, nor even want to. He has committed no actual act of violence, in fact the only violence inflicted was over the women believing that the probability of her being hit has increased.

A woman with a super high body count may be the best wife ever. It's simply less likely though based on the things men want in a relationship.

Additionally a comparison to past partners is only one of the various reasons that men care about body counts.

You don't even know what an n-count is which tells me you haven't looked at any of the discussions about this topic that has been had on this subreddit.

If I had to guess based off your post and responses you're likely young, a teenager or near enough it.

You're at that stage where you think every revelation you have has immediate incredible value. I can tell this because nowhere in your post does it seem like you've ever just asked men, non judgementally, why they do care or taken a second to ask if your ideas are well founded.

Wqtr100 · 2022-09-18T16:12:40+00:00

You claim that you have "no dog in this fight" when you are a woman who clearly doesn't like men. You can keep on denying all the studies about pair-bonding, but it's not going to change anything. And there is clearly a difference between having had one sex partner and a lot of sex partners.

themostgianthorse · 2022-09-18T13:22:29+00:00

You are only taking into account one aspect of effect. You need to also consider cause of high body count.

Here are two:

Impulsivity
High risk tolerance

It does not take the world’s leading sociologist to correlate these traits with infidelity.

Bandit174 · 2022-09-18T14:12:16+00:00

But they must understand that even if a person has only had one previous partner, you may still be compared to that one person. That's why high body count doesn't matter!

It's much less likely if she has a low body count and hasn't had casual sex. Women can fuck higher than they can date so if she only has sex within relationships the odds of her having been with guys significantly better than you in looks or sexual prowess are not as high compared to if she had a lpt of casual sex.

Also even if the one person was superior to you thats still better than her having been with 15 people superior to you.

And insecurity isn't even all there is too it. Some guys will deny it's even a factor which is dumb. But yall act like its the only reason and like its this big gotcha.

Some guys dislike it for moral reasons, some just find it gross/get an "ick" even if the past partners were inferior. Some are concerned about higher likelihood of infidelity/divorce and any combination of the above issues.

Acceptable_Parking96 · 2022-09-18T14:14:16+00:00

It doesn’t matter who her past partners were, I’d prefer not to know. Having a high body count however is indicative of reckless behavior and an inability to say no and not go with the flow.

It’s an evolutionary reason that men in particular have a lower tolerance for high body counts, this is because we don’t know who the baby belongs too and can’t trust the woman not to continue going from man to man.

Higher risk of STIs, cheating, not being your baby etc. need I say more?

eye_fuck · 2022-09-18T13:17:35+00:00

Even going by your logic, statistically you're more probable to be seen as "The Best" when youre being compared to one person, than when you're being compared to 50 man.

LaloTwins · 2022-09-18T13:12:53+00:00

I personally have no dog in this fight so I can provide a more clear and balanced perspective on this issue

Ummm why don't you think you have a dog in this fight?

Jupitersjunky · 2022-09-18T13:13:32+00:00

It 'matters' to these men and that really is their prerogative. You can't talk these men out of 'not caring" anymore than you can make people like me 'care".

Swapsta · 2022-09-18T14:00:09+00:00

It does matter and every single one(even the simp/whiteknights) subconsciously know this.

2022-09-18T14:38:52+00:00

Very high body counts are correlated with narcissistic and borderline personality disorders.

It often suggests something is seriously wrong, an abusive past etc, and not just a phase of partying. Most people have 1-5 ONS and realise they don't like casual sex that much.

Gigamon2014 · 2022-09-18T13:58:10+00:00

Would you write this same diatribe for a woman concerns about a man's "body count"? I'm assuming no.

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the stances here are purely written to appease women. And not just any woman, particularly attractive (7/10+) cisgendered white women.

I'm about as sexually invigorating as it gets and I've dealt with a few "whores". I just wasn't hot about either being compared or the considerable "grass is greener" mentality that tends to come wirh promiscuity. Maybe that's based on my insecurities. However, if you have any braincells, you would know you're better off addressing those insecurities with a licensed therapist...not playing Russian roulette with someone who may or not "break your heart".

Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2022-09-18T15:33:13+00:00

body count matters, I can respect sleeping wit some one for intimacy and love, other wise it’s just hoe behavior

if anything else that’s just being stupid

2022-09-18T15:58:59+00:00

But they must understand that even if a person has only had one previous
partner, you may still be compared to that one person. That's why high
body count doesn't matter!

I can be better than one person, I can't be better than a combination of the best traits of ten.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2022-09-18T16:42:35+00:00

even if a person has only had one previous partner, you may still be compared to that one person.

What women do, that men (in my experience) do not do, is compare a parter to an amalgam of previous partners.

My go-to example of this phenomenon is this clip from Steve Harvey. Note how often, when he asks her to explain some requirement, she says, "well I dated this one guy who..."

She dates a guy, and then after she breaks up with him she adds things he did to her list. Further evidence of this comes from psychotherapist and author, Lori Gottlieb. In this interview she mentions a survey in which men said if they could get 80% of what they wanted in a mate, they'd be happy, but women labeled that "settling" and said they wouldn't accept it. One of the criteria she mentions (at 3:06) is a guy wearing a brown belt with black shoes.

So, where is this coming from? In both cases, it's coming from dating experience. A woman who dated a man with some fashion sense is (apparently, as the evidence suggests) never happy with a guy who isn't a snappy dresser. The woman on the Steve Harvey show once dated a guy who wore sweatpants so ... never again!

I challenge you to find an example of a man doing this.

What this means is: yes, partner count does matter. Notice I haven't even addressed the concept of "bonding" - I'm here only talking about satisfaction and contentedness. Back to your quote:

if a [woman] has only had one previous partner

... then all you have to do is avoid the one or two things about him that annoyed her. But if she has a dozen past boyfriends, god help you. Every time you order a drink it's going to be, "ugh my abusive ex you to get drunk on those and treat me badly!!" Every time you watch a movie (this one has actually happened to me), "ugh my ex loved that movie"

Women of PPD please don't waste everyone's time by swearing to the high heavens that you're not like that. I gave two examples - one of whom is a scientist. (A) you probably are like that and just aren't conscious of it (B) if you're not, you're an outlier and irrelevant to this conversation. It is a fact that this is an ugly truth of women's psychology. Just as the tendency toward violence is an ugly fact of male psychology and if you bring it up and all I can do is say "b... but I'm not like that" or "not allllll men" all that I'd be doing it derailing.

DRliveseyyy · 2022-09-18T13:21:50+00:00

Any fight about preferences doesn’t matter, every preference is valid. Who is someone to tell who you should love

KombuchaEnema · 2022-09-18T13:41:02+00:00

That’s like saying it doesn’t matter if someone is morbidly obese as long as they ate McDonald’s cheeseburgers instead of filet mignon.

The problem here is that you view this as a jealousy issue. The man is jealous of the men the woman slept with, so as long as those men are uglier, it shouldn’t matter…right? That seems to be your viewpoint.

The problem is…it’s not a jealousy issue. It’s disgust at the behavior itself.

If I see someone gorging themselves until they puke on McDonald’s, that’s just as gross as someone gorging themselves until they puke at a high-end restaurant.

Steakman1 · 2022-09-18T14:28:09+00:00

You state that the pair bonding argument also applies to men and not just women. But then also go on to say that high body counts don’t matter and it’s just insecurity from the guy feeling like he’s not the best she had. Your argument is half “it does matter, but it’s not an issue exclusive to women,” and “it doesn’t matter, men are just insecure” which are 2 arguments that contradict each other. So which one is it that you truly believe? Because the only conclusions I can arrive at is that you don’t actually know where you stand on the issue, or your accusing men of being hypocritical while saying women’s concerns with being with a high body count guy are valid, while a man’s concerns with being with a high body count woman aren’t valid and boil down to insecurities.

andrejusilva123 · 2022-09-18T13:16:43+00:00

You never hear them talk about the men with this issue

Because they are not dating men and aren't attracted to men and most women don't care because body count correlates with physical attractiveness in men.

I don't care about comparisons but most women do end up settling because they can have NSA sex with a guy more attractive than them and that's why in marriages and in LTRs they get bored and their sexual desire declines.

_Remember_me_not_ · 2022-09-18T14:47:40+00:00

It matters to those who don't want the baggage, drama, instability and mental and social issues associated with the high body count people. For those who just want to have fun and have short stints, it will never matter. People may change and mature but it's insanity to bet on those chances, if a person has a very wild past.

Jason_4422 · 2022-09-18T14:30:29+00:00

I don't think somebody wants someone that lots of people can easily hook up with, not just innocence because I'm not entirely turned off by someone who has sexual experience, I mean if they did lots with one long term partner it doesn't make me feel less of them

wtknight · 2022-09-18T16:07:44+00:00

Some men are just uncomfortable with the fact that a woman has been intimate with so many other men. It makes these men feel like he is just another one of many interchangeable men, and that therefore she is more likely to cheat on him. For these men, a high body count definitely does matter.

I'm sure that there are even some women out there who feel that way about men with high body count, although women seem to be less concerned about count overall than men and women are more concerned about how men actually treated their past sexual partners.

Filmguy000 · 2022-09-18T21:40:03+00:00

Yes it does.

redditorvirgo · 2022-09-18T13:35:28+00:00

it's not all about comparing to the past partners.

guys often just get a bad gut feeling if a girl goes over like +30. it means she gives it up easily, past behavior often predicts future behavior. whatever the reason is

people are trying to negotiate their ways through convincing guys it's insecurity on their part. it's never going to work.

Obj3ctivePerspective · 2022-09-18T13:11:13+00:00

Idk what this post is even about when there's tons of studies and science that already prove high body counts=less lair bonding

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-18T15:44:43+00:00

Women who sleep around are disgusting to men. It provokes a sense of grossness and dirtiness. It is not logical, and anyone who claims to use logical arguments is using post hoc reasoning to justify what they are attracted to. It's just how it is, similar to trying to explain why exactly women are disgusted by men who are shorter than them. There is no logical reason for it, it just is.

ButtifulPower · 2022-09-18T13:34:08+00:00

Men want to be sure that they are the father of the children their wives have. In old days, you couldn’t be sure of that with a women who slept with a lot of men. We kept this disgust feeling because it’s a evolutionary protective mechanism to increase the chance of us being the real father. Men should embrace that feeling not reject it.

Final_Philosopher663 · 2022-09-18T14:18:57+00:00

I like your approach and what you state.

Personally i believe this situation happens because all people dont have the whole picture in their minds. A lot of things will make you have your opinion about this issue. For example a BIG part is as you stated the comparisons. Another part is that the average male doesnt have many sexual partners when compared to the female with more or less the same "sexual value" BUT a small percentage of men have A LOT MORE partners than women do . The numbers are insane the smaller percentage you observe. Another small part in this is the hypergamous nature of women that in some sense if a guy is lets say the top 1% they might not have a problem with being with him even if he has other women. Another thing of course is the general society believing men can have more partners.

And I am sure there are a lot more reasons some I can state some I have no idea about them.

IMO it will matter to a different extend to different people for many reasons and its ok.

Judging someone by their sexual partners in a matter of shaming them is bad.

Judging someone for many things as well their sexual partners by choosing if you want to be with that person its YOUR choice.

All in all men and women if you want to be marriage material find a number you believe is healthy for the relationship you want in the future.

FineDevelopment00 · 2022-09-18T15:02:00+00:00

When I met my wife, her and a friend poured over my social media and found pictures of me and exes. She told me that and that she felt intimidated by how some of them were good looking etc and she didn't feel she measured up. It's human nature to feel insecure and threatened by others. The only way to not feel this way is to go and sow your wild oats. Have sex, have hook ups. If you are a guy and can't figure out women, then dedicate your time to figuring out how to become attractive and sleep with a lot of women. I did and it was fantastic! The best thing about it is that you become a guy who has choices instead of being the guy some girl chooses and you going along with it because you live in a pussy desert.

IcarusKiki · 2022-09-19T04:15:25+00:00

It does if you want to get with the terminally online schizoids that hang here

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carlenvirgo · 2022-09-18T14:25:16+00:00

How does anyone truly know? People can easily lie

yamb97 · 2022-09-18T14:46:06+00:00

On the other side of that, if you have a high count it means you’ve got a lot of experience but you’re choosing that person as opposed to not knowing what’s out there and settling for the first one that comes your way. You can make claims all day long but at the end of the day my partner and I are happy knowing we chose each other when we both have a plethora of choices.

AidsVictim · 2022-09-18T17:55:29+00:00

The truth is, these people are actually concerned about WHO she has slept with, not how many people she has slept with.

I would say it's both for different reasons. A woman that's only slept with 5 people but those people are "enemies" to me is not someone I'm going to be interested in. A woman that's slept with 100 men is just gross.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-09-18T18:27:08+00:00

Men don't like it because it is inherently unattractive for a woman to have had a lot of casual sex partners.
There is a more pragmatic reason to be unattracted to high n count women, if you think about it biologically: a woman who is pregnant knows the child is hers, a man has no guarantee of it. The rate of paternity fraud is a lot higher than people think. And high n count is correlated with infidelity.

calfshrug · 2022-09-18T22:06:54+00:00

Body count doesn’t matter if you’re a chick and won’t either attempt paternity fraud, manipulation of her man through adultery, a bipolar or schizoid or borderline careless exposure to stds, mugging, or any public exposure that will damage your partner and or family.

TLDR body count and cheating, in my opinion, don’t matter ONLY if you leave those activities entirely in the bedroom and they have no further impact or harm on anyone else.

But people like to do some of the careless or manipulative stuff above, OR/AND become unreasonably attached to the mistress or mister.

Cheating and casual sex should be like pornography and masturbation or smiling mutually at a cute person a friend introduces you to while you’re in a relationship where the two of you briefly share animagining of what could be. Cheating and casual sex are only for the master race of humans who aren’t so stupid that they mess up everything. If you get an STD, pregnancy, make a scene, get mugged, rape someone, get raped, commit fraud, or commit psychopathic deeds in the process of casual sexual, fornication, and adultery, then you’ve messed up.

This is what a lot of decent people do. I refuse to believe that a fair (30-50%) of clean Steves and Stephanies in the world don’t cheat and simply hide it and never cause any of these ridiculous detriments in their extra-curricular activities.

2022-09-18T22:36:18+00:00

Not sure

I personally have no dog in this fight so I can provide a more clear and balanced perspective

Dont do this..... Youre posting it , you have an opinion about it. Nobody buys it lmao

There isnt really much logic going on here. I know youd like an iron clad reason that you can disprove(evolutional wiring and all that crap) but there really isnt one. Its like a gag reflex. Honestly , she goes down in your eyes quite a lot after hearing a high n count and ive never ever met a man that doesnt care. Yeah they lie "Only men who cant fuck complain , they are just incels, im confident enough......" but the moment he fucks her hell talk shit about her. The moment she leaves "yeah bro i gave it to her good bro, fukn hoe bro, got ehat she deserved bro"

A lot of people like to talk about a WOMAN'S inability to bond with her future partner when she has a higher body count. You never hear them talk about the men with this issue but we'll get to that another time.

Well people with higher n counts are more likely to cheat. Men deal with cheating and breakups a lot worse than women . Divorced men are 8 times as likely to commit suicide as divorced women. Maybe that could be a reason. Not sure

The truth is, these people are actually concerned about WHO she has slept with, not how many people she has slept with.

Nah , you dont get it. Gag reflex. Who shebhas slept with has other insecurities. Not the same ones as a high n count gives.

They dont want to be COMPARED to a woman's past partners (specifically the more sexually invigorating men she has been with.) They would not care this much if all her past partners were less attractive than them.

I think its safe to say that men dont like to be compared. We cant just lay down with feet in the air and say we are good in bed. Takes skill. But you can feel whether she is happy in bed with you, if she is , you can deal with it.

But the second part..... again ,that gag reflex.

But they must understand that even if a person has only had one previous partner, you may still be compared to that one person. That's why high body count doesn't matter!

Its not just about being compared. Its really not. Men dont like it but you get over it.

There is always that zit in your brain thats telling you. "You love her but she is not yours, its only your turn". That eats at you. Men suffer a f ton in breakups (that suicide stat). Im not sure whether that is the reason that gag reflex is there, maybe pair bonding is legit, maybe that argument about not knowing if the kids are yours. I know that there are tests in modern age but thousands of years of eiring dont go away in 50.

I dont think anyone can tell you a specific reason, i can theorise , but i have to tell you that it does matter. Ive never met a man that said otherwise (when there are no women around, when there are then everybody is a confident alpha male chad bona fide fucker).

SharkMySheets · 2022-10-04T02:57:54+00:00

You go to a dealership. Theres your dream car. They have 2 identical models. Both are the same price. Same mileage. One has one owner and the other had 6 owners. Which one would you want to own? If you rented it for a day would you care as much?

People generally want the least "used" thing around.

And it goes for both sexes as well.

peacheeblush · 2022-11-17T16:56:20+00:00

It matters lmao

Valuable_Following_2 · 2022-11-18T11:44:36+00:00

Body count does matter. The more men a woman has slept with before marriage, the more likely she is to divorce. Gets worse when you take into account that 80% of divorces are already initiated by women (90% for college educated women) and women initiate the overwhelming majority of breakups. So promiscuous women are by far more likely to break up relationships/marriages/families than promiscuous men.

Virgin women are the least likely to divorce and also won't be comparing you to any men since she didn't sleep around. On top of that, her pair bonding won't be damaged and fried because again, she didn't sleep around. And of course you lot always respond to this by saying "B-b-but it's the same for men too!!!" It isn't. Men with high body count can pair bond just fine for the most part, women typically prefer sexually experienced men over virgin men, and 99% of men don't compare their wife to the women he slept with before marriage. Unlike most women where they will do the exact opposite to their husband. Yeah, believe it or not, men and women are not the same and are different. Shocking I know. So you can also save the muh double standards card.

To be fair, virgin men are not only the least likely to divorce just like virgin women, but they're also a little bit less likely to divorce than virgin women too. However, it doesn't matter much when you factor in everything I said above. So yeah, men don't want women who've had 750 dicks inside them and women typically don't want virgin men. No amount of femoid coping is going to change this and you and other bratty femoids can f off for shaming men for caring about body count.

Title	HIGH BODY COUNT DOESN'T MATTER
Author	Jupitersjunky
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Date	September 18, 2022 1:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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