You can’t blame women for only going after the top 20% of Chads because men have gotten less attractive due to estrogenic chemicals and feminism degrading them.

Hosj_Karp · 2021-12-09T19:25:47+00:00

A collection of unflattering photos of people whose politics you dont like means men are becoming uglier? what?

To the extent that men are getting less attractive, you don't have to go to "estrogenic chemicals" or "feminism". Shitty diet and lack of exercise explains 90% of it. I'd argue that once again, PPD is neglecting the class angle. There's probably more divergence in looks now between UC and WC people considering obesity is so strongly class-associated. Rich people of both sexes are probably getting more and more attractive over time due to technology and more leisure time.

Also you literally state that the ideology of feminism is physically making men's faces uglier. How lost in hysteria can you be to think an ideology alone affects physical things?

smarmycheesesandwich · 2021-12-09T18:54:00+00:00

You gotta remember that a lot of old video of the armed forces were selected BECAUSE THEY WERE GOOD LOOKING. You think Germany was gonna show their most raggedy looking troops in the throes of battle or fatigue? Hell no. The point was to associate the army with being Chad.

goatismycopilot · 2021-12-09T20:05:41+00:00

All of the army/ armed forces stuff is propaganda. Nobody is going to show skinny runts with thick glasses as a recruitment tool. And as it happened in North America at the start of recruiting and draft for WWII, there WAS a persistent issue with men being underweight and having obvious signs of poor nutrition maybe connected to that whole Great Depression thing. The average soldier was a skinny kid who was much shorter at least in North America.A lot of men had big physical issues and either got their family doctors to lie for them or just kept going back to different inductee centers until they found somebody to overlook the deficit.

And your facial shape can be influenced by weight.

AGORAPHOBIC-ECSTACY · 2021-12-09T18:45:36+00:00

Yea no. This sub was never worth it.

Liberal_On_Guns · 2021-12-09T19:44:47+00:00

Anybody else catch Rachel Maddow sneakily snuck into the first link? LMFAO

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-12-09T21:56:31+00:00

Women are free to go after whomever they want. All I ask is that you stop with the bitching and moaning about men not willing to wife up your saggy ass when the guy you chased dumps you. Own your choices instead of blaming the rest of us for not wanting to sacrifice our happiness because of your piss poor choices.

purplish_possum · 2021-12-09T18:37:06+00:00

80% of guys have always been meh or worse. My high school yearbook from the early 80s is full of incels.

Also, absolute looks mean little. It's not an objective measure. Women are attracted to the hottest guys available.

ilovepetya · 2021-12-09T19:37:39+00:00

this is so fucking dumb LMFAO im done with this sub

geometersbane · 2021-12-09T21:01:21+00:00

Men are more feminine than ever before and women more masculine. It's really easy to stand out if you're even a little masculine. Same goes for women and femininity.

Vtridolla · 2021-12-09T22:05:45+00:00

I love this post 😂😂

Desert_butterfries · 2021-12-09T19:31:43+00:00

Look at men who work in trade jobs. Welders are hot and really masculine. Maybe not top 20% of men, they're not in law or medicine, it'll take them time to make 6 figures I'm sure but they're hot all the same. In the US.

caption291 · 2021-12-09T20:52:04+00:00

Women look at the average men and build their standards around that. If the average man is 5'9 their standard for height might be 6'...but if the average man was 6' the standard for height might be 6'3.

If we did have absolute standards women would not have problems with a guy that has the hygiene of someone from 10000 years ago....but they do, because what matters is your hygiene relative to everyone elses not just your hygiene relative to some absolute standard.

So no, men improving their faces would not fix this issue and their faces getting worse has not really contributed to the issue.

The number of men that exist in a woman's potential dating pool would be an example of a factor that actually matters and can increase/decrease what percentage of men can be seleted.

The_Meep_Lord · 2021-12-09T18:50:25+00:00

Uhhhhhhhhhh women are waaaaaay uglier too. You forgot that part. Men just accept women for who they are while women demand men to reach there peak attractiveness.

And we are more attractive then our ancestors genetically (ex: we are taller, have better teeth, etc), we just live far less active life styles and have mass abundance of food.

So we are heavier and less in shape. That is why people are less attractive nowadays.

Obesity and such is what is really making people less attractive then before. And there is a higher percentage of woman obese.

Also, men are becoming less masculine and such is a good thing. We are becoming less violent and more peaceful.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-12-09T20:26:35+00:00

No one blames women for going after the top 20% of men. Or Chads.

We just want you to be honest about it. We just want you to not use, exploit, and take advantage of bottom 80% men. We want you to not complain about it when we tell you facts. We want you to not complain about it when we confront you with reality.

And if you settle on a bottom 80% man, we want you to not complain about it and we want you to accept it and live up to the promises you make.

IF that's too much for you, then chase the Chads, and live with serial pump and dumps. And don't complain about it.

veganbulk · 2021-12-09T20:29:20+00:00

This is completely a hysterical delusion. Doesn’t warrant serious engagement.

dbz19 · 2021-12-09T20:01:32+00:00

Why the fuck are these top 20% gigachads impervious to chemicals and feminism? Why can't I be impervious to chemicals and feminism? I don't even like feminism.

Also are women really going for the top 20% gigachads or are you basing your world view off tinder statistics?

2021-12-09T21:07:33+00:00

IMO its too many cheetos and too much Call of Duty. Kids used to have to find things to do outside of the house and be active, now you don't.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-12-09T18:54:10+00:00

If anything, I only go for feminist men. That'd still leave me with like 15% of the population.

tickledpic · 2021-12-09T18:36:55+00:00

The lack of testosterone and low sperm count coupled with man-hating feminism constantly degrading men

Maybe the former is driving the latter

CFinCanada · 2021-12-09T19:16:57+00:00

Last time I was single in 2015 I was only looking for a non-smoking childfree man who likes alternative music.

That's like maybe 1 in 10 men, it's even slimmer than the margin you have here, before even taking looks into account.

Women are selective; always have been. We can take it or leave it.

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smarmycheesesandwich · 2021-12-09T18:55:22+00:00

Also the open mouth smile is just not appealing. That’s not soy—that’s just dudes trying to look less threatening.

Hosj_Karp · 2021-12-09T19:41:32+00:00

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/14647273.2010.515700

no evidence of an increase in infertility in british men. cherrypicking the most (or least) alarmist studies /=/ science

BlKaiser · 2021-12-09T20:17:44+00:00

All the contributing factors (pesticides, porn, microplastics) affect women to so not sure it would contribute to people being less attractive?

I think your mostly just describing the effects of like poor diet and lack of excercise and sedentary lifestyles on everyone and trying to say it’s someone feminists fault?

I don’t really buy it tbh

cunningcaring · 2021-12-09T20:24:48+00:00

Complete nonsense top to bottom. Turn off your computer and go to the gym.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2021-12-09T20:53:55+00:00

Hear hear. You men are undeserving of love because you are emasculated by estrogen and feminism. Nevermind feminism was founded on the basis of egalitarianism and equality despite sexual dimorphism.

Major satire. Aubrey never misses.

cccccclairee · 2021-12-09T22:49:49+00:00

Hahahahha now feminists are making men less attractive? Wow is there anything we can’t do?

But ya, men tend to be more attractive when they aren’t fat (and when they have good teeth, that seems to be a major contributor to jaw line shape) I’ll give you that.

EviessVeralan · 2021-12-09T22:54:23+00:00

It also doesn't help that the average man in the USA is overweight, too.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-12-10T00:26:08+00:00

Women have gotten uglier/fatter too. I only blame them when they chase after a total POS for years then cry about how it’s not their fault they can’t find a decent dude. It’s all noise to me.

Matymay74 · 2021-12-10T01:29:13+00:00

Lol Rachel Madow is on this board.

Devourer_of_felines · 2021-12-10T01:31:38+00:00

The average American woman is obese, makes less than 26k a year and doesn’t have the scientific literacy to understand more food and less exercise = less physically fit people.

Go after whomever you want, but expect to be mocked when you whine about nobody out of your league wanting what you have the offer 🤷‍♂️

cautionTomorrow555 · 2021-12-09T20:05:46+00:00

Men have gotten more attractive over time due to healthier diets leading to things like more height, but women still only select from the top 20%. We also know this from how women in other countries will adjust their expectations downwards so they expect around 5'10 because the average has shrunk but they want that top 15-20% no matter if it is 6 or 5'10 it is just being in that top bracket women want.

Kaisha001 · 2021-12-09T20:21:08+00:00

I've been saying this for a while, the single biggest problem in modern day is plastics in the food supply. It's the modern day lead. And I imagine it's having a huge effect on this whole gender mess we're in.

https://www.gq.com/story/sperm-count-zero

Almost all of the traits that women find attractive in men are mediated by testosterone.

Also the birth control pill is another big one.

Take plastics out of the food supply, and stop prescribing the pill like candy, and I think 90% of the problems will magically fix themselves.

festethefoole1 · 2021-12-09T18:39:51+00:00

Your post is a little hysterical and a bit of a rant but there’s a heck of a lot of truth to it.

The only thing I would say though is in South London, where I live, men don’t look like this. Men here generally are 6’2 with chiselled jaws and strong arms and shoulders - and this is because I live in a highly desirable area of South London where people work in law, banking and insurance.

Society still rewards (with sex, money and respect) the most traditional forms of masculinity in terms of strength/athleticism, earning power and commanding social respect.

Shredddz · 2021-12-09T20:59:56+00:00

women support feminism and thats what makes men behave unattractive because they had masculinity beaten out of them since childhood. Its their faults for supporting and raising the men they dont like and society doesnt need. they openly fight against the qualities they look for in men then cry when they get rare.

asdf333aza · 2021-12-09T20:17:09+00:00

So men have lower sex drives and testosterone than ever before and women still can't keep up with the amount of sex men want.

Oli_love90 · 2021-12-09T18:42:15+00:00

Can someone point me to an article or something about women going after “the top 20% of Chads”? Because logistically that just doesn’t make sense to me.

sex_is_dirty · 2021-12-09T19:56:07+00:00

Lowered testosterone will be a social benefit to the extent that it results in decreased horniness/thirst.

In a world of increasingly less access to sex partners, perhaps it's nature's way of maintaining a docile, contented population.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2021-12-09T22:47:32+00:00

God I just cant with this sub. Men here really fucking overestimate masculinity in relation to being attractive as if they're trying to will it to be true. Not like young women have always preferred pretty boys over the hyper masculine ones. Like in everything.

Young women simping over k-pop guys and boybands. Literally go to tumblr or fandom Twitter where young female sexuality is let loose. Masculine men are none-existenxce.

It has nothing to do with masculinity. Health and beauty transcends gender. You're the ones obsessive over the masculine aspect of it and not just general signs of health and beauty in general.

I'd actually wager that this obsession with masculinity is making men uglier. Unwashed and lacking fashion sense.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2021-12-09T21:28:26+00:00

It's based on the "average". If the top 20% of men were the only men that existed, you would still be displeased with the bottom 80% of that top 20%.

Just like if we all had a million dollars, a guy that's a millionaire would no longer be considered "good enough" because it's measured against the "average".

Taipanshimshon · 2021-12-09T21:47:15+00:00

" where's a good world war when you need one'

bison5595 · 2021-12-09T22:23:16+00:00

I’m not in the top 20%, but I have no problem with women only going for the top guys. My frustration is that we can’t get an agreement from women on what defines the top 20%. How tall? Body fat? Style? Salary? What confidence looks like? It’s a guessing game with no clear direction. A lot of guys don’t have a target or metric to reach.

vetado · 2021-12-09T22:38:52+00:00

Same estrogenic chemicals in South Dakota and Vermont, pretty much.

Why are the birth rates different?

The top 10 and the top 13 out of 14 fertility rates are all or partially west of the Mississippi.

Tacc63x · 2021-12-09T23:07:39+00:00

I have a yearbook from the 40s and all the guys look the damn same. Stupid ass post and I don’t know why this rhetoric is so commonly pushed.

Do you have any proof that lower testosterone levels cause an extreme difference in facial development vs high test people? I’m pretty sure facial features that are determined as “masculine” are present due to the presence of more testosterone even if the amounts aren’t high. Unless you can show me a study then I am skeptical.

Fit-Photograph1646 · 2021-12-09T23:11:53+00:00

These studies have long been debunked.

But assuming they're real i agree, though you might get a better response offering solutions than constant criticism and narcissistic replies.

What does your physique look like?

sarkington · 2021-12-09T23:26:37+00:00

“Porn is estrogen mimicking”

Uh huh

Perhaps consider — abundant food, hedonism, avoidance of physical exertion and discomfort, unskilled labor outsourcing, extensive transportation options, massive increase in passive entertainment, social overstimulation, and just plain old human laziness

We’re top of the food/survival chain. You know what life does at that level? Based on other animals —- sleep. A lot

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-12-10T00:18:19+00:00

If women somehow looked better, maybe you'd be on to something. They don't.

Testosterone has been shown...not to correlate with male attractiveness. It has been shown to correlate with....mating effort, mating success, and persistence in the face of overwhelming adversity.

And the general, increasing desire men have of this fantasy where everything they want just thrown at them, whether it's women or anything else, would seem to support a decrease in testosterone.

All indicators also point to male beauty standards having risen, rather than men somehow all looking worse. Add to that male economic prospects looking much bleaker than before. And add to that cultural gaslighting having risen to a fever pitch, confining male problems to majoritarian approved talking points and within every individual male's person. The dash on top is the continued erosion of the will to fight, as represented by testosterone.

Women, I agree, have little to do with it. They're just beneficiaries.

A good face just gets you attention. I ought to know.

The ability to pull the trigger is what gets you...whatever it is you're looking for.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2021-12-10T01:31:03+00:00

Men will learn how to put women in their place and make em nice and wet again, don't worry.

We are the linchpin of the species after all

WakeupJabTD · 2021-12-12T14:56:10+00:00

Yes, you're correct

Chiyuki_Fujiwara · 2022-01-15T14:37:52+00:00

Just gonna point out again that the male beauty ideal has moved quite a bit, too, and not all feminine male faces look like that...

wonka___vision · 2021-12-09T20:18:39+00:00

The women also look a lot worse today than they did back then.

The problem is the ugly women think they deserve the top men.

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