I think women do have a sense of entitlement when it comes to men as well

wtknight · 2023-01-26T18:13:08+00:00

Flaired CMV as this post is making an affirmative claim

Smoogs2 · 2023-01-26T18:24:35+00:00

Entitlement is a funny word in the way so many use it with regards to dating. If a man shows any ill will toward a women after he was rejected, that’s “entitlement.” I would guess the vast majority of relationships engage in this behavior though. Take your gf out to a nice valentines dinner and when you get home, jerk off and go to sleep. She’s obviously going to be mean towards you for that but does that make her “entitled” or is “entitlement” justified?

The word is so moralized that you’ll never get people to admit they act entitled when they actually are. Of course women have a sense of entitlement, maybe even stronger than men, but they consider it rather harmless and justified so therefore they don’t call it being “entitled.”

So they may be and act entitled but they sure don’t call it that and nobody really calls them out for it or considers it “entitlement.”

AnyIntroduction3288 · 2023-01-26T19:30:51+00:00

For example 3, if the rumor is bad enough that she wants people to defend her, then why would you bring it up during the first meeting? I wouldn’t get defensive about a rumor unless it was something embarrassing like sex or crime. Why would you bring that up during a first meeting? You could have just said “oh nice to meet you” and left it at that.

For example 4, friends generally keep each other safe. She also may have been trying to flirt. If you don’t consider her a friend or feel like you’re being used for safety then explain that you don’t want to do this anymore

RGL137 · 2023-01-26T18:25:01+00:00

It might not even believe a conscious sense of entitlement. They’ve just lived their whole lives experiencing men do things for them and have come to expect that that’s the standard.

puppycatlaserbeam · 2023-01-26T18:25:22+00:00

The most overt time this happened was when a girl got drunk and told me she loved hanging out with me because whenever she went out with other guys they would always leave her alone to chase after other girls but I would always make sure she’s safe. I’m like what so I’m a bodyguard?

You'll know the conversation tone, but as a third party this sounds like a friend was trying to give you a sincere compliment and you somehow managed to take it as an insult.

InfamousBake1859 · 2023-01-26T20:06:37+00:00

Women will ask men to help with manual things but it’s not entitlement until she reacts badly when refused.

When i was lifting that 5 gallon water, a guy saw and ran over to help. I thanked him. If i couldn’t do it, i may have asked him to help, and probably would have expected him to agree and would have been taken back if he said no. But i would ask that of another women too.

Women are physicaly weaker. It’s just fact.

If i saw a kid trying to lift something heavy, and he asked me to help and I could,… i would absolutely go over and help

cowfishAreReal · 2023-01-26T18:02:22+00:00

Most of that doesn't even look like entitlement, it seems like you're just seeing what you want to see. Helping a friend move in/out is just a normal thing to do regardless of gender, I'm a woman and I've helped friends move in before and even helped with painting walls. The same goes for not leaving your friends alone when you're hanging out with them, that has nothing to do with being a body guard most people simply feel safer going out with friends than completely by themselves, even if the friend is a 120 pound woman like myself. And going in some strangers car when you're drunk just sounds like stupid behavior that can put her in danger if such stranger is not nice, it sounds a lot more like being an idiot than being entitled

Mr_Skurge93 · 2023-01-26T22:18:15+00:00

People in general are entitled as fuck these days. Most of us have been hurt by the other gender in one way or another. Some more than others. Sometimes we get bitter and project our hurt on to others in situations that are usually neutral. Some of y'all reddit scholars can correct me on this but I think it's called confirmation bias. For every example you provided I'm sure we can find some ppd women with examples of us being "entitled". Also, some people are just dicks.

RocinanteCoffee · 2023-01-26T20:19:22+00:00

Everything you've talked about here could have just been as easily a plausible scenario if you switched genders.

Friends ask friends to help them move.

Drunk idiots do drunk idiotic rude things.

People gossip (or believe random gossip).

People tell other people they make them comfortable/feel safe all the time (it's weird to me unless you are friends or otherwise connected).

neetykeeno · 2023-01-26T20:03:06+00:00

"just mentioned in passing that.... someone saying.a rumour"

You negged her. Or at least that's how she perceived it. World's clumsiest neg. Why would you expect that to go down well? She gave the ideal reply if it was a neg.

noafrochamplusamurai · 2023-01-26T21:10:57+00:00

This is a very nuanced subject particularly because lots of women aren't going to see it as entitlement because of our social system. However, in regards to men women do often assert a sense of entitlement( before the flood of "not me" posts, I'm sure the women of ppd are all egalitarian unicorns that don't have any negative traits, so we skip that part. I'm referring to the rest of the populace that aren't cultured like ppd) in certain areas. Primarily space, physical touch, labor, protection, and male attention.

The reason for this though can be tied directly to the patriarchal system. It's part of the social contract, Men get to dictate most of the factors in our current system. To get the buy in of women, you have to give them some area of control otherwise they'll revolt and break the system. The patriarchy handed control of the social sphere to women. If you create a system in which femininity is valued, then masculinity becomes subservient to that in social situations, which will lead to covert entitlement. They don't even know it's entitlement because it was taught to them from birth.

zerofeetpersecond · 2023-01-27T13:00:29+00:00

Women are entitled to good behavior from hot guys. They expect the NBA player with unlimited options to commit to them. When their 50k a year boyfriend makes a mistake it has to be a federal case.

houstongradengineer · 2023-01-26T18:26:55+00:00

she asks “well did you defend me”? “I don’t even know you”!

Umm I would still expect someone to defend someone from really gross statements, even if they were true. Weird that you'd flex about how you listen to negtive gossip, I'm with her on this one. What do you mean this never flies the other way around? Men criticize women for being gossips literally all the time.

I was taking a bunch of drunk friends back to the dorms from the club and this same girl hopped on my car, didn’t ask or anything

So she knew where you were going? She knows you? How much are you leaving out here?

They call me again the day before asking if I was still working..

OK yeah that's kinda annoying, I get it lol. I defo had a man who used to expect help from me on studies like this even when I said I couldn't, though. I guess you wouldn't believe me, whatever. That's fine.

told me she loved hanging out with me because whenever she went out with other guys they would always leave her alone to chase after other girls but I would always make sure she’s safe. I’m like what so I’m a bodyguard?

No. You're a friend, and apparently her girlfriends understand what friendship is even if you think it doesn't fly the other way around, but her male friends have a problem with that. If you actively go out somewhere with someone, yes, it's assumed you'll stay with them. If you think she wouldn't make sure you're safe, you're probably wrong, and I certainly hope you are. I really hope she'd assist in any kind of emergency.

gymbro718nyc2 · 2023-01-26T18:44:00+00:00

They feel entitled cause you morons keep being too nice to them and kissing their ass just to get a chance of smelling that pussy. Can you really blame them?

localmicrodosechamp · 2023-01-26T17:45:46+00:00

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Safinated · 2023-01-26T17:50:34+00:00

Definitely, and as long as they are young and hot they will be successful in obtaining service and suffer few consequences for being arrogant, rude and entitled

However, I’m sure a fair number are aware of it, which is why they push it so hard. Much like young dudes like to indulge their misogyny, destructiveness and cruelty as long as they don’t immediately want a wife and kids, material wealth, or a good job.

Young people love pissing older people off by flaunting their social transgressions —- it’s the best and easiest form of entertainment in a world where they otherwise have little power or respect

januaryphilosopher · 2023-01-26T18:49:56+00:00

The problems you have seem to be communication more than anything else. The first and fourth are common situations between friends of any gender but maybe you see friendship a bit more casually. The third definitely sounds like she thought she meant more to you than she did. The second needs more context as I'm struggling to understand what happened. Generally, it's normal to do things for friends and women will do them for men and women.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2023-01-26T19:05:26+00:00

A sense of entitlement to sexual partner pleasure increased significantly over the year of the study, whereas, on average, there was no change in self-efficacy over time. At Time 1 (T1), young women reported more entitlement than young men. Age was positively associated with T1 entitlement, and experience with a wider range of partnered sexual behaviors was concurrently associated with more entitlement and efficacy and was also associated with increased entitlement to partner pleasure and increased self-efficacy in achieving sexual pleasure at T2 relative to T1.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810038/

cowfishAreReal · 2023-01-26T17:58:02+00:00

never in my life have i asked a guy to help me move, even men i was sleeping with.

NEVER.

EVER.

Wouldn't do it even if we were married. 😂

thetruthishere_ · 2023-01-26T20:04:15+00:00

I only ask my lady friends for help.

9/10 times I will turn down help from a man Im not dating as 9/10 times he has an agenda.

sadbitch55 · 2023-01-27T01:41:18+00:00

women have to have standards. if you take care of yourself and make changes you will succeed

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CimZim · 2023-01-26T21:26:10+00:00

u/FutureBannedAccount2...

All these women sound like idiots or floozy drunks lol. Trust me, they know what they're doing and yes they're entitled for it.

Thankfully most of us aren't like this and we roll our eyes and get frustrated/exasperated with them too. I've been treated exactly like this by other women, it's not a woman to man thing. It's an entitled beeyatch to everyone around her thing.

angypanda123 · 2023-01-27T01:01:42+00:00

Yea I agree with you that a lot of women have a sense of entitlement and are oblivious to it. A lot of men do as well.

MistyMaisel · 2023-01-27T02:58:02+00:00

They asked. They didn't assume. And they asked again. Not seeing the entitlement.
Was she drunk? Cuz that sounds like drunk actions. I think we can all agree drunk actions aren't necessarily something to take seriously in that way. Also, you had tried to talk to her, which is invitational on some level even later even if she was snotty.
She doesn't sound entitled, she sounds like she's trying to discern your character.
A girl tells you she feels safe and cared about and that's entitlement. She didn't say she felt you had to do this. Although, I would say, if you're friends, you are kind of "entitled" to not being ditched when drinking by your friend so he can chase skirt.

I'm willing to bet women can be entitled about stuff, but none of these feel like examples.

No-Seaworthiness959 · 2023-01-27T09:29:53+00:00

The way people speak of "entitlement" is just such a culturally American thing that I often have a hard time relating. The word is overused, at least on the internet.

That being said, yes, the boyfriend by proxy thing can be real.

ConstructionFun194 · 2023-01-29T01:58:14+00:00

Yeah men want them as bang maids, home makers, baby making machines. Women want men as meal tickets, repair men, bodyguards.

Title	I think women do have a sense of entitlement when it comes to men as well
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Date	January 26, 2023 5:43 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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