Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own advice

IcarusKiki · 2021-03-22T22:59:53+00:00

Because they’re playing a character that you can’t keep up forever? Most 20 something red pillers are of course going to think they’re going to spin plates their who life, never settle down, then eventually have a 18 year old virgin supermodel church girl to wife up when they’re 65 and done with the carousel to start a family with. By the time they hit 35 though they get cold feet when all their friends are married and starting families and the bachelor life isn’t as badass as it seemed when they were 22. College girls won’t look their way, they’re balding and the only women left are washed out single moms. They get lonely and eventually get with a woman around their age and become part of the blue-pilled masses they hate so much. The gurus aren’t immune to this cycle but they have to market their shit to young optimistic guys so they put on the red pill tough guy persona.

Bekiala · 2021-03-22T20:57:02+00:00

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StrangleDoot · 2021-03-22T20:32:08+00:00

If you were happy in your life and relationships, would you feel a need to produce amateur ramble/rant videos about how to fuck women or whatever?

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-03-22T20:24:28+00:00

They’re scammers. There might be a few bits of truth in there, but it’s mostly misogynistic garbage designed to validate the feelings of the bitter young men they prey on. Certainly nothing worth paying for, let alone 2k an hour. Wtf.

Det_Steve_Sloan · 2021-03-22T21:59:36+00:00

Cooper charging 2K an hour now? I laughed out loud when I once heard it was 1K.

What kind of man pays that type of money to some YouTuber?

xFallacyx69 · 2021-03-22T20:45:32+00:00

Part of TRP is taking what you’ve seen to be female nature and applying it accordingly. TRP won’t work on a chick who is secure in her relationships, doesn’t take shit from her man that she wouldnt give to him, etc... TRP is supposed to be about rationalizing the irrational behavior of young women with unlimited options. You have to be able to discern what stuff you agree with (have seen in real life) and what stuff is total BS (for me personally.... “don’t get married” is an example of BS)

Turbo_superbike · 2021-03-22T20:40:34+00:00

OP Eventhough I believe you, it's still better to back it up with evidence

ThouWontThrowaway · 2021-03-22T22:20:50+00:00

Dating advice is like porn. Why would you pay for it when there's so much advice you can get for free?

stats135 · 2021-03-22T20:01:47+00:00

I've worked among medical professionals before and seen my fair share of them smoking, but it doesn't invalidate their claim that smoking is bad. I've known some fatasses, but it doesn't invalidate their advice that exercise and healthy diet is good. The principle holds true for RP.

a14deadpool · 2021-03-23T03:56:13+00:00

I use to follow some of them but once I started having sex I realized that they are wrong in a lot of things.

strawman83 · 2021-03-22T20:01:04+00:00

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LightOverWater · 2021-03-22T20:39:34+00:00

Donovan Sharpe:

Despises single mothers and says a man should never raise another mans child (adopted his niece because her mother has drug problems)

Adopting your niece (family) is not even in the same realm of providing for a single mother (stranger`s) children. Do I really have to explain this one?

Rollo Tomassi:

his wife was not as fertile as she once was, and in my personal opinion she’s not very physically attractive)

Claims to have had a lot of success with women back when he was younger (people who know him personally say he’s very awkward and socially inept, which brings this claim to question)

Share a picture of his wife when she was 30.

Yeah he seems a bit awkward now having been out of the game for probably over 20 years. He's well past his prime, but that doesn't take away from his wisdom. He had a lot of success with women in his 20s when he was in a band. It's really not hard to believe that. You know what's harder to believe? That a guy who was unsuccessful with women could be so spot on in describing sexual dynamics. That makes even less sense. The point is, he understands the SMP and basic psychology.

Richard Cooper:

Frequently makes videos bashing single mothers (has frequently dated single mothers and provided for their children even after being divorced initially, which he claims was his red pill moment)

So he got divorced and dated a single mother afterwards. He woke up to realize what a raw deal that was. He no longer dates single mothers and advises younger men to do the same. What's your point?

Charges men $2k/hour for consultation calls for dating/business advice (a former associate has claimed that he overheard him read the Iron Laws of Tomassi from the Rational Male verbatim during one of his consultation calls, then when confronted by his associate he laughed it off and said it was true)

So I have two criticisms of Rich. One of them is the fact that he's an entrepreneur first and nothing else matters to him. If you saw him in person and looked at him for a minute he'd probably send you an invoice. Everything he does has a price tag on it- it's so slimely. I wonder if he actually has genuine relationships b/c he's emotionally closed off and treats everyone as a transaction.

Runs a business for helping men with debt (the website uses fake testimonials and stock photos from Google to represent the people in the fake testimonials)

The whole debt collecting industry is slimey af. There's no limit to the ways you can judge this industry. Who knows, Rich might even be one of the less slimier debt negotiators.

Overall, I do think Rich spits many truths worth listening to. But the other criticism I have is that he's a textbook misogynist. He unnecessarily bashes women all the fricken time. When other people bash women he laughs. I know some decent women and they would run the hell away from this guy. Maybe he can dangle some money and flaunt his ego to attract thots, but his shitty attitude will repel good women.

SaBahRub · 2021-03-23T00:37:54+00:00

It’s not the red pill, per se, although that doesn’t help. It’s the money that’s the problem

2021-03-23T03:10:53+00:00

Dating coaches prey on lonely men, I stopped watching them long ago unless they are funny then I treat it like comedy

FleshPanda · 2021-03-23T03:17:43+00:00

Man I been saying this for awhile. Nice post.

Hoopy223 · 2021-03-22T20:14:32+00:00

None of those examples are really bad things though. Adopting a relatives kid because they are a shitbag is a good thing not a bad thing. Marrying a woman who is a similar age and brings something to the table (business skills) is not a bad thing. That’s normal.

Anyways I’m of the opinion that Dating Coaches, Life Coaches, Love Gurus, Motivational Speakers etc are all Con Artist professions. Like the dumb women who still read Cosmo type mags or the weirdo chicks talking about how FDS leads to HVM or whatever other delusional BS they are spouting.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2021-03-22T22:47:30+00:00

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Pilling_it · 2021-03-22T22:00:16+00:00

Dating coach in general have the same problem as dating apps, namely if it was effective they'd lose business.

mgtowthejoker · 2021-03-23T02:42:58+00:00

This is an interesting claim. I'm not rooting for anyone of them. However in my opinion people should know that when you study a topic. There is the theorical level and the practical level. The concept of what these people are teaching is what it counts. In my opinion these people have gone to thick and thin on the sobject and I guess they are giving you adviced based on their experience.

It's like sort of like a parental advice, if you will. Most parents would give their kids advice based on their bad experiences instead of what have worked for them. But I see your point how can you follow someone's advice, if they themselve don't follow it? Most of them would end up losing credibility, in the long run. I guess you should be looking at how they are giving these advices away. Is it based on things that they have mess up in the past, or is it things that they have proven to work? That could be something for more scrutinity, instead of being quick to judge, and make a claim like that. Just a thought! Great Findings! TC! ; )

SupremePlayer · 2021-03-23T03:15:09+00:00

Red pill is nearly dead it's taken over by self help guys.

superlurkage · 2021-03-23T03:24:35+00:00

That’s what happens when money enters the picture. It makes you do things you normally wouldn’t. Like say things you don’t believe

Do people really not know this? Do you really think those doctors believed that smoking was good for you?

SiotRucks · 2021-03-23T09:23:45+00:00

Reading these comments I'm absolutely shocked how some people just want to believe their shit no matter what. It doesn't count to them that their prophets are greedy hypocrites that don't follow their own advice. It doesn't matter how their ideology doesn't work and their coaches acknowledge that by telling them they just have to try it a hundred times until it works. Some people you just can't convince I guess. No amount of evidence or indicators is enough. And because it's all a bunch of fairy tail pseudo science it can never be disproven.

DownVotesWrongsOnly · 2021-03-22T22:10:17+00:00

I think we would all agree that the real red pill is a pretty good idea: Men should concentrate on making themselves better. If I thrive, so shall the family.
The world needs strong men. Physically strong, emotionally strong and spiritually strong men. I make fun of the alpha terminology but honestly, the dude I just described is pretty damn alpha.
The guys you described are nothing but one trick ponies. They are successful because they are the only guys talking about things that young guys are interested in--picking up young girls. Sorry to offend everyone, but 18 year old guys like to put their peepee into 18 year old girl's hoohaa's.

Masculinity is under attack and before you think I am being a crack pot, keep an open mind for 3 more minutes please. Some dude grabs a gun and shoots up a mall and it is called "toxic masculinity". The problem is that what that asshat did is actually one of the LEAST masculine things a man can do. When a guy hits a woman, it is one of the LEAST masculine thing a man can do. It too is defined as toxic masculinity.

If a mother abuses her child, it is not called toxic femininity. Men are needed to raise other men just as women are needed to raise other women. I can teach a girl to act like a woman, but i cannot actually teach her to be a woman. Conversely, a woman can teach a boy to act like a man, but cannot teach him to be a man. This is no fault of either gender.

Apologies for the rambling. Those guys are charlatans. Yet society has created a space for them meaning you have created a space for them.

Turbo_superbike · 2021-03-22T20:39:55+00:00

They donot coach, they poach

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2021-03-22T22:47:40+00:00

There is not been a single religion to where it's members are not contradictory (or don't follow the "rules" to a T). The red pill religion, being led by sophistry and it's extraordinary claims is no different.

Just like Catholicism being the most "logical" of all sects of Xtianity and the Abrahamic religions combined, but still otherwise, do not follow any objective 'moral' code whatsoever existing outside of the God-agent.

The sooner you realize RP is a religion and it's Holy Leaders are no different from Priests, the more his stuff begins to fall into place. PPD only examines the truth-value of the Red Pills extraordinary claims to where we see a lot of them are inexplicit, contradictory, disprove each other or are self-refuting: e.g. (80/20 + AWALT), or change with the weather depending on the day.

Turbo_superbike · 2021-03-22T20:21:50+00:00

Hahahah this is gonna pop-off..sometimes its nice to see men face the heat on this platform

The only men who got everything about women right are the pretty E-Boyz

GeorgeWashingtonKing · 2021-03-22T20:33:08+00:00

Donovan adopted his niece. So the girl IS his child. The "don't raise another man's child" mantra is about becoming a stepfather to a single mom's kids or to a bastard.

How do you know Donovan's girl "wears the pants"? If she "runs the business" that means she's his business manager. That doens't mean she's running everything.

Rollo's married. If he says a man should not marry a woman who's younger than he himself is - he did that. He followed his own advice.

He gets to decide the appearance of her fertility. Your personal opinion on her attractiveness doesn't mean he's ignoring his own advice. He might be ignoring YOUR advice, but that doesn't mean he's ignoring HIS OWN advice.

Maybe he dated younger women and decided to marry an older woman. Or maybe he's learned from his errors.

That last bit about Rollo isn't a suggestion he didn't take his own advice. It's a suggestion he's lying about past sexual successes. That's not the same as "Rollo doesn't take his own advice".

Cooper:

How often has he dated single moms? One of the things he points out is "don't get attached to the kids". That's one of the main reasons for not dating single moms. He's been consistent about that.

where has he said he dates ONLY single moms?

The bit about "no evidence he's hung out with women" has nothing to do with not taking his own advice, but rather just suggests he's lying about it.

The bit about charging for sessions and then reading off canned info from others during the session - what does that have to do with Cooper not taking his own advice? All you're doing here is accusing Cooper of gouging clients with canned regurgitated Rolloisms.

As for "fake testimonials" - that has nothing to do with not taking his own advice - all you're doing here is suggesting Cooper isn't on the level. I don't know whether any of this is true but you're suggesting it is. So what - has nothing to do with Cooper allegedly not taking his own advice.

2021-03-22T20:59:11+00:00

Why would they? they are all grifters.

Rylakb · 2021-03-22T22:58:22+00:00

Obviously they are scammers, nothing new from the dating atmosphere. Nevertheless, i agree with the single mothers being an immediate stop on which i would add as well overweight/obesity.

Jacked5parrow · 2021-03-22T23:02:14+00:00

There are a few endorsed contributors on TRP subreddit that are similar to this. Some more glaring than the others. Users tend to forget Reddit and whatever else the manosphere uses is still social media, which is well known for fabricating an illusion for what the content creator wants you see/think. News, Media, Social, it’s all the same

teramelosiscool · 2021-03-23T00:21:46+00:00

they're running a business first and foremost and will say whatever is needed to get/retain as many clients as they can. same thing with therapists, they're careful about what they say because losing clients=losing money

Pinkrose571 · 2021-03-23T01:28:19+00:00

Hun they were selling a men-only program for 1200$

alexaxl · 2021-03-23T04:32:01+00:00

Uncensored unsanitized Information and knowledge of pros & cons of the marketplace and how it really plays is the Red Pill.

The stuff that mainstream romanticism & Disney movies blindly repeat has no basis in reality.

People’s ability or limits in being able to leverage that to their advantage or not does not negate the reality.

I was a nice boy growing up. Too fucking idealistically naive. That’s what the world is feeding us.

Now instead of ad hominems and cutting the individuals who you mention as imperfect practitioners, why not actually have the gumption to dissect the wisdom & awareness itself.

Do you actually think current dating, Relationships marketplace is the same as 1900s and so on? Are relationships more stable or worse? Marriages & divorce rape? People’s body counts and inability to pair bond and poor history in terms of hookup marathons? Chasing the momentary highs? People’s fidgety ness in focusing on on person given the barrage of digital attention fragmentation?

All this is red pill of human nature and it’s downfall from stable principles to impulse driven feel goods.

It’s upto each to figure out if they can leverage or not, their ability towards the cesspool of post modern marketplace of relations.

Personal integrity, self accountability and grit is a lost commodity. That is enough of a root cause for people to be impulse feel good driven rather than establish commitment with mindful accountable processes.

moldovan0731 · 2021-03-23T07:46:24+00:00

Donovan Sharp is an asshole, and I don't like PUAs in general, but this reads like something written by a woman or a blue-pilled man.

theaceupmysleeve · 2021-03-23T10:15:08+00:00

Cooper is such a grifter. You need to add that he sells soap for 11 dollars a bar.

theaceupmysleeve · 2021-03-23T10:19:16+00:00

You should also add that Rollo and Cooper got rid of psychologist Dr. Shawn Smith when he called into question the concept of hypergamy which is what most of Rollo’s work is based on. If you refute that concept, his whole philosophy falls to shit.

gammaJinx · 2021-03-23T00:47:50+00:00

Pretty similar to FDS as well. These extremes in general are always hypocritical because they are extreme while life is more nuanced in nature.

Laytheblameonluck · 2021-03-22T20:58:46+00:00

Rollo Tomassi is in many ways acting as an academic in an area which is avoided in academia due to politics, he said that during his studying in behavioral psychology, he asked his lecturers if the dual mating hypothesis can be seen among young women today and got told that was sexist and couldn't be discussed on campus.

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2021-03-22T21:02:17+00:00

Even as a trp guy I never put much stock into what these "coaches" say. I dont follow any of them.

anyJose · 2021-03-22T22:26:07+00:00

Finally some real facts.

little_jimmy_jackson · 2021-03-23T03:06:52+00:00

damn, your citations are on point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thro_away_2021 · 2021-03-23T03:53:43+00:00

Man a 3? Donovan’s girl is cute.

Holy crap internet kids have the most ridiculous standards for women that they could never live up to themselves.

2021-03-22T23:32:15+00:00

LOL if you think that's bad wait until the lives of FD$ women are exposed. Every ideology is stricken with this bullshit.

Fit_Toe_329 · 2021-03-22T21:09:32+00:00

rEaD tHE SIdeBaR

DownVotesWrongsOnly · 2021-03-23T03:36:43+00:00

I wasn't aware targeted hitpieces were allowed on reddit. Whatever. Clicks a random spammy link under overblown crank "PROOF OF MY CLAIMS" in unnecessary bolding:

It's a picture of some old guys' wife. And his wife is a little younger than him. Wife looks good for her age. mY mInD iS sO bLoWn rIgHt nOw. Is this a blackpiller raging that RPers can hold onto a woman and grow old with them and be happy?

skystar86 · 2021-03-23T02:51:51+00:00

Your wife's niece is not the same as her kid from another guy. It's not disrespectful to yourself.

Fit_Toe_329 · 2021-03-22T20:27:10+00:00

Hey man if you want to date a single mom or get a women who is past the wall that is your own problem.

Just don't come back crying ! There are so many reasons why you shouldn't date single moms or post wall women.

Does that mean if you got together when you were both 20 years old and build a life together then in your 40s you leave her ? No ! She gave you her best years and you already build a family and had kids.

Now if you are a 30 years old man who worked your ass off in your 20s while bunch of women had their fun and wasted their best years becoming single moms or being a slut.

Why would you get a post wall women when you can get a women giving you her best years ?

Idk about donovan but Rollos and Richards advice are on point.

Mens SMV starts very low and by working he can get it to be super high. Status , money , experience and maturity. Women want that and that only comes with age.

What do men want ? Oh right youthful , beautiful, fertile and not a slut.

Men and women are not equal. Neither do they look for the same things in a LTR partner. You either accept the reality or belive in BS

Robotemist · 2021-03-22T22:35:41+00:00

Did you seriously just try to hold adopting an at risk relative over someone's head to prove a point? Some of y'all seriously need mental help.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2021-03-22T23:34:16+00:00

Rich charges $200/hr, not $2k/hr.

GeorgeWashingtonKing · 2021-03-22T23:50:20+00:00

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GeorgeWashingtonKing · 2021-03-22T22:26:09+00:00

I can list you multiple red pill YouTubers who seem to practice what they preach: CGA, AMS, YMDRP, StephIsCold. Just realized all these guys are black dudes lol.

There are charlatans in every community. However, the red pill has only been increasing in popularity and there is a reason for that. You cannot deny that. Its underlying message that men need to stop simping and focus on themselves is resonant for many men who want some outlet to vent their dating frustrations.

It is ironic that feminists tell men to be more emotional and open, but tell them to shut up when they vent about dating. Let them vent.

2021-03-23T01:40:25+00:00

i dont know what any of those guys are. but i will say from all the pua/redpill guys ive seen, most are cringe and feeding BS. its all about making money too, that comes first. so they over complicate, and gotta up sell. lol to make it seem like they have all these complex tricks and secrets to get girls.

i like blackpill stuff better. its more grounded in what real life is all about.

Emervila · 2021-03-22T21:49:42+00:00

Donovan Sharpe:

woman age does not refute any RP
his niece is his blood (sister), RP means within AF/BB
He has his own business also helps and admins her, he built the business plan to make it grow
he's not secretly married and never was and never lied. You forget RP men can mitigate red flags and marry a woman, that doesn't make any man less RP

You are full of lies and makes no sense to refute anything bc most you written does not contradict any RP statement

GeorgeWashingtonKing · 2021-03-23T01:13:09+00:00

You need to get a life bro hahaha

So much effort bringing other people down

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PlayfulLawyer · 2021-03-22T21:35:57+00:00

The only one of these I really know is Rollo tomassi, not a big fan but it's kind of like if somebody's religious, if they actually accept the message, that's when they'll be healthy if they're just following the messenger, no bueno

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Naus1987 · 2021-03-23T02:12:20+00:00

I only follow better bachelor. And he seems to be pretty legit. YouTube is so full of choices that I’d jump ship if I was following some hypocrit lol

blarglefart · 2021-03-23T04:28:52+00:00

Maybe they are seeding the competition by giving bad advice so women get harassed and they can look like the good guys

Turbo_superbike · 2021-03-23T06:27:17+00:00

To be fair their women donot look bad ..I am a man so I not doing apologetics for the women of random men...The women obviously take care of themselves and donot have facial fat severely aging them...

I am commenting on this thread after the inclusion of new videos:

Todd V's woman looks better than him..
Julien's woman looks very sweet eventhough she might not be a total knock out..You have to remember Julien is balding, so that takes of his SMV eventhough he is between 6'1 and 6'2..Interestingly she has the exact physiognomy a "a ride or die chick" would tend to have..
Donovan's Sharpe woman ABSOLUTELY looks better than him and also seems to be the anchor in his life..her body language in the photo shows through who is in charge ...Again Physiognomy
Rollo Tomassi's woman looks worse than him...but then again she has absolutely fantastic thick,lush hair..which women her age donot seem to have
The well dressed,good looking gentleman in the bottom middle has a so-so looking girlfriend ..(the average to below average American blonde look like the main Sex and the City character---Sarah Jessica Parker??)..She has nice hair and very good make up skills
The very balding/bald below average looking fatty looking guy has a relatively youngish East Asian girlfriend..who is probably same age as him and its just east asian genetics ....the girl is no looker but he is ugly if we judge her harshly
The man doing the video has a younger looking rail thin Latina with bolt-on boobs and no butt..But she is good looking no doubt...I guess white guys like boobs and no butt...the Guy's face is sagging and melting from the fat and I guess alcohol and cigarrette abuse ..There is no coming back for that face...but he is tall, white, light eye colours...balding though, and no jaw ..trying to hide that fact with beard .............Her looks are also flattered by the club terrace lighting, sexually suggestive posing and party clothing...Never forget that

My point is these guys ended up with women that are their looksmatch or within +20% of them.......and they are in the same age bracket...They have done well for themselves by the metric of most men..But yes they have absolutely failed when measured against their own trope of 45 year old Red Pill bodybuilder alphas being with 20 year old innocent submissive lingerie supermodels

Except for the last guy who has done significantly better compared to the rest .but I guess being a tall white guy, though with rapidly disintegrating looks, made him a high catch for the Latina lady he is with

So that's my in-depth of opinion on the men and their women

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR5M3UmsPzM&t=961s

PreMedGirlCA · 2021-03-23T08:58:37+00:00

When men are insecure and unsuccessful with women they gravitate towards this sexist garbage because they want to think someday they can date the 19 year old popular girl.

The red pill is absolute nonsense and they are scamming you. Men need to make themselves the best they can be but instead they talk about their “increasing sexual market value”, “women’s declining fertility,” “the wall” and call women whores and bitches. That makes men even more unattractive especially when they are talking like this to you with a beer gut and a receding hair line.

If you are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be told lies I can’t feel any sympathy for you. You deserve what you get. And what you get is dying alone.

Vasraktorvi · 2021-03-23T09:05:24+00:00

Bro these dudes are clowns who realised they can make money from acting alpha, red pill, etc its just money making scheme. Simps found way to make money on other simps.

NMFlamez · 2021-03-23T10:17:37+00:00

Claims his wife is a 6-7 with a "9-10 body" (photos of this chick show that she's a 3-4 at best, in both the face and body department)

Dude, you are so tapped. She's not a 3. She's decent looking.

Despises single mothers and says a man should never raise another mans child (adopted his wife's niece because her mother has drug problems)

Not quite the same thing.

I do agree that people shouldn't preach the opposite of what they practice but life isn't a Disney fairy tale.

asdf333aza · 2021-03-23T11:57:04+00:00

I like this post.

Title	Red Pill Coaches don’t seem to follow their own advice
Author	GeorgeWashingtonKing
Upvotes	164
Comments	341
Date	March 22, 2021 7:39 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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