From Andrew Tate to Sneako to JustPearlyThings to Fresh&Fit, virtually every major Red Pill creator is right-wing or leans that way. Meanwhile young men, their target audience, continue to vote overwhelmingly for the left. This shows that TRP isn't working and will never be mainstream

BirdMedication · 2023-04-30T18:49:29+00:00

TRP isn't a political movement though, and dating is the one area I've found where a lot of people have views that are inconsistent with their political beliefs. Like left-leaning women who support progressive politics but turn into "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" conservatives when talking about lonely men. And left-leaning men who support feminism in the abstract but also desire traditional arrangements and expectations in their romantic relationships.

That said, frustration with dating is a bipartisan issue, and frustrated guys will naturally turn to the people who seem like they actually listen to their problems and provide a solution. Even if they disagree politically, they just have to take the good with the bad.

StopTheIncels · 2023-04-30T22:13:59+00:00

"Women are bleeding heart liberals, but when it comes to dating they are rugged capitalists"

DeshaunWalt · 2023-04-30T18:59:42+00:00

Bruh TRP is about human behavior,dating dynamics,self-improvement etc

It has no room for american politics

BobtheAxieManager · 2023-04-30T19:06:26+00:00

I think a lot of young people just don't want to pay back their student loans.

resultsmatter1 · 2023-05-01T00:27:42+00:00

Another small brain post that assumes the gender dynamics of dating and political leaning can’t be separated by the average person

midwesternMD · 2023-05-01T00:38:51+00:00

I could be grossly misinformed here, as I only became aware of Tate a few months ago and watched a handful of clips, and stumbled on to Pearly things round table discussions a few times. I have no clue who sneako, fresh, or fit are.

That said, I think Tate’s message is 80% accurate, 20% inaccurate, 100% poorly delivered.

Pearly seems to drop in tidbits from Jordan Peterson, who I think is generally well researched but occasionally disingenuous about minor details. Her message, as far as I can tell, is somewhat red pilled in terms of philosophy, but it misses what I consider to be red pill insofar as the self improvement/lifting, and women are hypergamous so you should never commit.

I think the people who are receptive to their message, at least insofar as dating is concerned, are single men who are being passed over in the dating market. I don’t think this cohort of men would be liberal or conservative. It’s easy to have conservative preferences for yourself while desiring a more liberal society, just as it is easy to want a more conservative society while behaving in a less than conservative manner.

Secondly, I’ve heard somewhere (didn’t care enough to question the source) that college educated women are skewing politically liberal, whereas non-college educated men are skewing politically conservative. If the hypergamy factor is real (I think it is), then I would expect that more non-college educated men are going to look to red pill, and that cohort of men ought to skew politically conservative.

As for drawing a conclusion about red pill being mainstream, 1) your argument doesn’t logically follow, 2) who cares? 3) if men continue to be outpaced by women en masse, then it is simply a matter of time before that cohort of men is significant enough to be mainstream.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t think any society will be rosy if it develops a significant proportion of prime-aged men who are sexually frustrated, hopeless, and angry.

MrHustleTopG · 2023-04-30T19:48:52+00:00

young men don’t want any damn kids so they vote left because of their policies, right wing purity fucks want everyone to have kids.

lallelelu · 2023-05-01T09:33:32+00:00

Well maybe that shows your little fantasy world isn’t representative of reality. The majority of men have heard about Andrew Tate only through Greta Thunberg. You guys are not the majority

HolyPenguine · 2023-04-30T19:23:16+00:00

It appears the voting margin for 18-29 men is 12%, which means 44% Republican to 56% Democrat split. Feminism went mainstream with similar stats.

harmonica2 · 2023-04-30T20:46:29+00:00

Well the red pill I thought was about men acknowledging women are hypergamous so men strive to reach that standard.

But does a woman being hypergamous automatically meaning left leaning in politics?

jonascf · 2023-04-30T20:53:48+00:00

I don't think rp is really working and I agree that it will never become mainstream.

But I do think that some aspects of trp, stuff that's not exclusive to it, will become more mainstream. Mostly things that relate to embracing a more traditional masculinity.

This doesn't necessarily mean that there will be permanent shift to the right, it might as well mean that "culturally conservative/economically progressive" might a more common political identity.

MGTOWManofMystery · 2023-04-30T22:59:05+00:00

You don't have to be right-wing or even centrist to see and understand the evidence-based findings of evolutionary biology.

bottleblank · 2023-05-01T01:31:55+00:00

I don't see that a political view should necessarily decide whether social behaviours are or are not valid ways of achieving whatever it is you wish to achieve.

I would consider myself centre-left (by UK standards, which I suppose would be... far left? in the US), but I still wouldn't argue that the RP ideas that you should work on yourself to make yourself indispensable to women you want or that you should focus on what you want to be intrinsically bad things to strive for. You need to deconstruct that which you find fault with, rather than dismiss the entire thing as having no merit or as being only harmful. There are reasons these theories and groups exist, if you do not understand them then you will never remove the need for their existence.

I believe in fairness, equality, social programmes, free healthcare, shared responsibility, and so on. But I'm not sure how any of that should preclude my understanding that there are lonely people out there who need to be more aware of what they can do to get what they need, particularly if there is an absence of external help for them.

This is the real world, dogmatic political stances with no nuance or room to deal with the realities of human life not being an algorithm are not practical, there must be compromise and understanding that nothing - not even your preferred political ideology - is perfect. The kind of caring, sharing, egalitarian society I would wish for does not currently (and may never) exist, I would not want to dismiss "good" for the sake of a "perfect" which is not realistically achievable.

bison5595 · 2023-05-01T11:16:08+00:00

Politics doesn’t really matter when it comes to dating. I’m a liberal and vote straight ticket democrat. If I had my choice, I’d want a traditional woman. I’ve dated and married progressive women, I’ve also dated conservative women. I’ll take traditional all day long

Reptheft · 2023-04-30T20:17:33+00:00

I support leftists for economic reasons. I'm still 100% TRP.

Your conclusion is useless because it fails to account for situations like that.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-04-30T18:48:27+00:00

Redpill does work, it's just that the left is silencing and censoring the redpill as much as possible. Andrew tate got accused of sex trafficking, grape, etc, and recently even got charged for "inciting violence". They try their best to silence and destroy andrew tate because redpill is working and because society doesn't want strong men.

AidsVictim · 2023-04-30T21:53:36+00:00

TRP and most of the "manosphere" are just right-liberals, the main difference between them and the standard American liberal is that they're more sexist and anti welfare etc.

jellyroll8 · 2023-04-30T18:57:23+00:00

im pretty sure young people are becoming less liberal, thats why this whole RP stuff is getting popular in the first place

Specialist-Action-33 · 2023-04-30T20:35:31+00:00

This is something that woke culture would try to push, claiminf these creators are toxic in one way or another, which isn't true. Nothing anout TRP is right-wing or anything political. Its just about being aware and improving your lifestyle and not just being a simp or anything like that. It has nothing to do with any right or left ideologies. Its just woke culture enforcing the blue pill and calling every guy the word that begins with "I" and rhymes with "cell" if they even agree to any idea TRP mentions.

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2023-04-30T23:38:23+00:00

Dems are neoliberal (center right) not actual leftists

carverstein · 2023-04-30T21:07:39+00:00

The majority of men are cis and white, and leftists absolutely hate them.

And a bunch of 18 year olds have only known leftist indoctrination. Why wouldn’t they be leftists?

It takes nothing to explain to boys that being a transgender activist doesn’t get them Stacy, but hitting the gym and everything they’ve been taught stops them from getting laid.

Until they leave the womb of academia that is. It’s funny how childish religions disappear once you start paying taxes.

SwaySh0t · 2023-04-30T21:06:25+00:00

TRP is already mainstream thanks to Andrew Tate. “Progressive” women mostly prefer conservative/ right leaning men and there are studies that back this up.

dynospectrum7 · 2023-04-30T20:21:54+00:00

Trp is amoral and unaffiliated with political ideology.

Define “not working”

Royal-Tip4585 · 2023-04-30T22:28:18+00:00

It’s not that their liberal. The conservatives promise them nothing if not impedes on stuff.

The democrats atleast toss in the idea of loan forgiveness.

The republicans sued to block that.

azwildcat74 · 2023-04-30T23:32:55+00:00

TRP - very much like rightist thought - goes against mainstream. TRP's stated goal is to make people the top 10%, not the average person.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2023-04-30T20:11:50+00:00

They are right wing but they dont tell ppl how to vote and they rarely talk about politics

Blitted_Master · 2023-04-30T20:45:57+00:00

Young people are inexperienced and naive. They are targeted by propagandists for this reason. They then age and learn how the world actually works. They then abandon their foolish, misguided ideas.

TATA456alawaife · 2023-04-30T20:58:11+00:00

The power of racial guilt knows no bounds. Truly it is the ultimate unifier and motivator for westerners currently. Regardless of how and things get, that’s not going to change. We’ll have a sexless population soon and nobody will care.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-04-30T20:53:00+00:00

Democrats have ruled since bush. You are now seeing the rise in republicans and I think this new election is really gonna be a break through for republicans.

I don't like to label myself. I disagree with a fair share of republican views. But I definitely disagree with democrats even more.

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Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2023-04-30T23:45:32+00:00

Most young men are in Party phase and just looking for a hook up, a working marriage has some engineering going into it.

Most college folks I meet tell me billionaire are bad, I ask them, there are only 2500 billionaire in the world and one factory that gives 10k job costs more than a billion, and due to market right now, will probably fail. We need billionaire, but we also need reinvestment strategies, giving money to govt Doesn’t work

harmonica2 · 2023-05-01T01:34:41+00:00

Well this is just my perspective on it but I think the reason why the red pill might be seen as conversative is because of people like Tate, Peterson, etc, are caring for men's issues, and so they are seen as conservative for doing so therefore.

But why is is it conservative to care about men's issues? where does that crom from? If that's the case, then anyone who cares about men's issues will be seen as conservative therefore?

v1cgt · 2023-05-01T03:13:34+00:00

Lol you have ur head so shove up ur own buttox u see what's happening, they now there's no change that can happen so they are adapting and just watching it burn

ragman75 · 2023-05-01T05:42:27+00:00

Well its becuase most RP'ers and even the ones you mentioned are not that right leaning, RP is not about politics and most importantly the age brackets that contain new RP fans dont vote. Notice how that bracket is 18-29, i garuntee you that like 70% of those voters where 26-29. late teens early 20s adults dont give a fuck enough to vote.

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2023-05-01T06:34:41+00:00

Their target audience isn’t of voting age. We’re not sure how they will vote yet.

MoldovaImComing · 2023-05-01T06:44:24+00:00

TRP is working and is already mainstream.

Young men are just dumb. As soon as they are fully employed and paying taxes, they vote right. Only single women and third worlders are dumb enough to vote left long term.

Fichek · 2023-05-01T12:52:48+00:00

I think you don't know what overwhelmingly is.

Notsonewguy7 · 2023-05-01T14:55:48+00:00

It's a generational divide. You will see left leading red pill guys I predict probably in the next 2 years.

Cablepussy · 2023-05-02T00:12:31+00:00

Give it a few more generations, the brainwashing started 20-30 years ago.

TRP at least as an actual community is very very new.

Not to mention even if you lean right it doesn't mean you like the political party members in your group.

Safinated · 2023-05-02T08:42:19+00:00

It’s women who are left, not men

Bitter_Job_5093 · 2023-05-03T04:05:25+00:00

The young guys are just trying to simp for their fellow gen z ladies and just use the blue pill talking points for some semblance of commonality. It's like when you see influences and instathots making certain fashion trends popular. Next thing you know all the young guys are dressing and acting in a way to attract those women. They just know that even if they don't believe the rhetoric they speak, they have to keep up the facade to keep the blue pill girls interested.

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