(Q4MEN) What are some non sexual/non obvious "hoe" traits?

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-08-29T22:57:48+00:00

Big social media presence

jax006 · 2019-08-29T23:06:34+00:00

Yoga pants with something written on the ass

Pidjesus · 2019-08-29T23:26:24+00:00

Complains about toxic ex's and says men are trash = she takes the bait of men way too easily and gets pumped and dumped

screenmagnet · 2019-08-29T23:13:27+00:00

Well I love love older women and with them I'd say it's being outwardly overly affectionate towards younger guys. Which was awesome until I've probably aged out of their desired range being 35 now.:( Still happens sometimes but not as often, and I mean little things like calling us "hon". Did I mention 50s women are amazing?

blackedoutfast · 2019-08-30T00:05:11+00:00

"i mostly have guy friends because other girls are too much drama teehee"

cutecat004 · 2019-08-29T22:51:00+00:00

Insecurity, sometimes

-OpportunityCost · 2019-08-30T01:06:58+00:00

The biggest hoe indicator by far is tattoos. Especially if they are in shitty places like their thigh.

Pete_Worst · 2019-08-30T00:12:50+00:00

Smoking

MDMCrab · 2019-08-29T23:37:52+00:00

Lots of piercings and/or tats.

Emervila · 2019-08-29T23:30:44+00:00

when she echoes for sex attention but in a tacit way

I knew this girl who came to a freaking drill with high heels and really mini-skirt to go down stairs 11 freaking floors! with all her make up done... all other girls were dressed accordingly but also when she calls the attention of low-tier male like this other girl loudly talking about video games but small thing like names of certain popular games to get attention from male co-workers.

A very recent one, co worker, we were starting to flirt but I noticed a lot of low-tier male co-workers "friends" come to her spot and have this touching thing, it's not sexually open 'cause we are at work but I dislike the fact 5-7 male co-workers can go to her spot to rub her back, play with her hair a bit, touch her knee and stuff like that it's like she's on sale or something.

petrichordium · 2019-08-29T23:28:12+00:00

I ONLY date women in the hoe box, so my “tells” may be different. But i distinguish between Alpha Sluts and Beta Sluts personally. (I only use those terms bc PPD)

Alpha Sluts have a more “proactive” sex drive (by more reactive female standards), at least in the sense that they’re curious and SEEK to be in sexually charged situations. Beta Sluts are more highly reactive and their sluttiness comes chiefly from being quite moldable like clay and much hungrier for validation.

It’s very much a continuum but a proper Alpha Slut tell is gonna be a more unflinching and low disgust, an ability to banter sexually. A beta slut is easily flustered, intimated, and often terrified of being called a slut (or else reclaiming it in a very unconvincing way). She is much more conformist in her general being, and so she basically matches the wallpaper of her social scene. If her friends are drunk woo girls who fuck around, she does that too. If her friends are tradcath, she’s gonna turn in her thotwear for rosaries.

Alpha sluts are good at maintaining eye contact; beta sluts aren’t. Alpha sluts do it for the experience. Beta sluts do it for the attention or the ‘gram. Basically Alpha sluts meet male sexuality head on and get what they need out of it. Beta sluts generally come out worse for wear... and have a lot of hypoagency complaints about it.

I will happily date both kinds, tho you can probably tell i like those awesome rare alpha girls, but the challenge of beta sluts is you have to keep a stronger grip on them... until it’s inevitably time to just let them on their way. (Alpha sluts are marriage/LTR material, but betas arent)

Sorry if you wanted more particulars but stupid stuff like tattoos seem more subculturally conditional than real.

bonusfruit · 2019-08-29T23:28:30+00:00

Only girl in a group of guy friends

Violetta311 · 2019-08-30T02:42:16+00:00

These answers are ridiculous. Smoking? My best friend smokes and she’’s fucked 2 guys in 15 years. Tattoos? 80% of my friends have them and most are in LTR. Uses profanity? WTF? Drinks beer? I can think of two female beer drinkers who aren’t remotely promiscuous. I was a waitress for 14 years and in that 14 years I slept with 6 guys. Do you people ever leave the house? If she has sex with you on the first date, then she’s done that with other guys and prob isn’t very picky. Pretty simple...

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-08-29T23:06:53+00:00

Adventurous and other high risk raking behavior. Promiscuity is correlated with risk tolerance.

TheRedPillRipper · 2019-08-30T02:35:11+00:00

Not necessarily a hoe trait but ATTITUDE is a huge indicator of compatibility. Not just to me, but their family members, friends and especially their fathers. It’s a woman’s primary relationship with any male so if it’s strong; loving and respectful; odds are we’ll share a similar relationship.

A lesser indicator is their attitude towards strangers. Particularly service staff. How someone treats service staff holds a lot of weight with me because if they’re rude, dismissive or disingenuous those a huge red flags.

I’m sure the majority of us have witnessed people with poor attitudes. If not initially their attitude will eventually come to the fore because it’s their nature. I’ve found it best to avoid or limit those types of influences. Might benefit you too.

Godspeed and good luck!

Salty-Bastard · 2019-08-30T02:45:47+00:00

Dishonesty

ariesv123 · 2019-08-29T23:11:00+00:00

It is quite hard as "hoes" are defined by sexual behavior.

But some of the things that more shows high n count women to me is lack of failures and high disposition.

You see, sexual things are learned by trial and error, and once you have a lot of trials you become used to it,

If she does not blunder here and there or has a lot of diposition, it is clearly because she had trials. If she has zero reluctance, she already did everything and know what to do.

Also, extremely social women, are by large usually high n count too.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-08-30T01:21:24+00:00

On all the social media accounts (snapchat and insta especially) AND updates them on a daily basis. A girl that uses the facebook stories feature or makes daily snap stories will have issues (or guy, for that matter)

A lot of tattoos or exotic piercings hair styles. Displays short term thinking usually.

If she stays out past midnight on a weekly basis. Yes going out with friends one night a week (like Friday) until 1am is a red flag once you're older than 25.

Doesnt have a career. If shes a bartender, waitress, etc. whatever and at 25+ again likely a ho.

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2019-08-30T10:57:56+00:00

She surrounds herself with only meatheads.

SkookumTree · 2019-08-30T20:59:13+00:00

I think that sensation-seeking is correlated with high n-count; the correlation is fairly imperfect but it's there. So thrill-seeking rock-climbing women will tend to have higher n-counts than introverted homebodies. There is also IMO a slight correlation between extroversion and n-count. Other than that, I can't really think of anything.

PrideInIndividuality · 2019-08-30T01:59:25+00:00

When your wife tells you she needs to travel to a different city for business purpose.
When your wife tells you she needs to have drinks with her boss to earn her promotion.
When your wife tells you how much she hates her boss.

Your wife is more likely to suck her boss' cock when she hates him. Also, what happens in another city stays in that city.

Hennythepainaway · 2019-08-29T23:34:12+00:00

I heard to beware of girls who aren't ticklish.

And jack10 said it best. Look for girls with high confidence, low neuroticism. The opposite is a walking trainwreck.

PadThai42 · 2019-08-30T00:10:26+00:00

I would say someone who is a dancer. I know a few women who dance to sensual bachata who get turned around, bent over, and dipped, but its usually considered "just dancing!!" It's like an audition for the next guy they're willing to have sex with.

hammerhaunts · 2019-08-29T23:37:10+00:00

Stupidity

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reluctantly_red · 2019-08-30T02:32:13+00:00

Laziness and lack of agency. A lazy woman who won't take responsibility for her own life is always going to be looking for an easy bailout. Such women game as many beta provider types as they possibly can.

grand_tiremaster · 2019-08-30T05:07:36+00:00

These answers are really interesting to read. I do not have any of these hoe indicators.. I actually spend most of my time at home, tending to my garden, my chicken hobby, and painting. No tattoos or piercings (except earlobes). I have "pet" black widows that I feed bugs to at night, outside around my porch. Having odd hobbies isn't a huge turn-on to many men, despite not being a hoe. My partner screams and runs from my spider hobby, lol. If I tried OLD today, it would be a disaster I would think.

From a woman's perspective, I think hoes are the ones who are very sex positive and dressed very scantily. Overly flirty maybe and possess quite the potty mouth. I have a couple of redneck friends and I have observed that young country women go through a hoe phase, but are able to lock down a man pretty easily.

muddynips · 2019-08-30T10:14:20+00:00

A lazy, craggy voice.

Thousand cock stare.

Perceiving themselves to have very little agency.

ThrowawayYAYAY2002 · 2019-08-30T10:27:50+00:00

When she has more than one phone.

I saw my friends ex with THREE mobile phones. As soon as I asked "why so many phones?" she panicked, hard. She was playing the field and knew that I knew her game.

VitalMixofNutrients · 2019-08-30T14:49:33+00:00

Promiscuity relating to a lack of pickiness.

[deleted] · 2019-08-30T16:11:31+00:00

Sleeping with me.

^:(

PM-ME-YOUR-STOMACH · 2019-08-30T21:16:05+00:00

Complaining that guys only want them for their body or posting stuff like “Girls aren’t video games, so stop playing them”

Red__Blue · 2019-08-30T21:39:58+00:00

A meaningless tattoo.

Many cultures religions or traditions practice tattoos as rit of passage and dedication to an idea. It is in a sense a sacrifice of the self to something of meaning. If you scribe pictures onto the temple of the body for no reason at all then you respect it as much as any 300 pound person does. If for vanity then it proves the owner is vain and destructively vain. Worse to settle and tailor the body with something designed for the mass consumption, lacking in originality. Then they are also sheep. The less the tattoo means the less you mean, and the more the tattoo means the more you mean it is literally scribed onto the body, the meaning or lack there of now becomes a part of its owner.

ProteinP · 2019-08-30T01:04:33+00:00

No long term goals/constantly seeking immediate gratification

LottaMoneyInMyPocket · 2019-08-30T01:54:28+00:00

Not exhibiting a innocent and "pure" mind. Example: Knowing how to manipulate men using emotions.
Being unrealistically innocent for her age. Example: A late 20s or early 30 year old woman pretending to be innocent and "pure", like not knowing basic things related to sex/dating or being too reserved about sexual things.

wtffellification · 2019-08-30T07:44:47+00:00

- outward displays of being 'spiritual' or artistic (those soft, wide, patterned hippy pants, gypsy hair-do's, walking around the city barefoot or shit, wears a backpack and travels)

- acting as if the whole world is an acting-stage for them (trying to stand out from the crowd intrusively, trying to display a certain persona, whatever it may be)

- trying to dismiss the value of anything traditional and feeling superior because of it (looks like a postmodernist or feminist, blue or pink hair, armpit hair and shit; wearing some weirdass, bitchy sunglasses in the non-sunny weather combined with a resting bitch face, wears a whole-black gentleman-clown-like dress and shoes from Zara, trying to give the appearance of having extraordinairy hobbies or a career that is more interesting than you)

- trying to appear masculine or appearing masculine (looks or acts like a lesbo, or a little boy; short hair/screaming-red hair/having a very short, abruptly-cut bangs-hairstyle; other aggressive displays of personality or agressive displays of anything in general, trying to put herself up by putting others down, being patronising and/or condescending)

- trying to look "cute" in order to compensate for feeling disgusting and wretched on the inside (sounds silly but I've seen it - for instance, slutty women often do this "little dance" while doing a forced little smile and looking at you with big innocent eyes... when they try to get something from you. hard to explain but I've seen it enough)

- generally looking at the world with tired, secretly angry, parasite eyes. possibly having "tiredness-induced" rings under their eyes which indicates not having had a good rest, mentally or otherwise, in a while. sounds far fetched but I've seen it correlate with other traits

(this does not include a typical blonde Hoe wearing tight camo pants with a writing "Slap dat", made of fake diamonds, on their ass....since we're talking about non obvious signs)

TheBookOfSeil · 2019-08-30T00:15:24+00:00

Some girls just have a face that reads "I like dick. A lot. Lots of dicks." all over it. Some guys know it after they learn from seeing these women, and they're seldom forgotten.

Also, multiple "boyfriends" in a short time-span. They change as often as these types of girls change their underwear, which is about one a month at the least, and one every other week on occasion.

Edit: One downvote = one girl as described above.

badabing-badaboum · 2019-08-29T23:56:20+00:00

Every women’s a slut, quiet ones, wild ones, and even demisexual ones. They just have to meet chad. Even if some aren’t, I believe it is beneficial for men to think this way.

Title	(Q4MEN) What are some non sexual/non obvious "hoe" traits?
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Date	August 29, 2019 10:48 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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