Q4 All: Why are you here?

TheKickboxingGuy · 2016-02-18T03:25:20+00:00

I'm here because I like arguing. This is one of the only subs on reddit where I can do so frequently and the subject matter is relevant to pretty much everyone. I'm subscribed to a few of the other debate forums like r/debatereligion, but the debate there is more or less pointless. Nobody is even trying to empathize or alter their belief patterns.

PPD is different. Even though TRP and TBP both say that this place is useless and no one will ever change, I've felt the opposite is true. People are changing ALL the time. The RedPill Vanguard doesn't [because they don't care] and the Blue Pill hardcores don't [because they're way too invested in the outrage of it all] but I think lots of red pills have become more moderate or open in their beliefs, and lots of bluepills have become more accepting of certain RedPill strategies and have come to understand the mentality of a redpiller in a more empathetic way. I think the majority of both pills are starting to agree that the TRP and TBP subs can be harmful.

To see that change is pretty awesome.

PPD hasn't changed my interactions with women much, but it has helped me understand certain actions and perspectives I couldn't wrap my head around before. Plus, a lot of the scientific articles that get posted here are pretty neat. I usually never read shit like that.

I've done some cool things in my life, but what has kept me working/performing at a high level is the continual act of refinement. Refining your beliefs, refining your body, refining your abilities. PPD is a constant refinement of the mind. Once you step out of your own head and really analyze an idea from the perspective of "He/She has a point..." it's much easier to grow and become a well rounded person.

moodyprism · 2016-02-18T02:57:43+00:00

The pills discussion kind of hits on a crossroad of a bunch of my interests. I'm interested in sexuality, gender dynamics, psychology, evolution, biology, and philosophy. All of those disciplines are wrapped up in the pill debate. Also it's something very personal and tangible to every human. Who doesn't want a relationship with some one else? So it's absolutely fascinating theory with incredible real world applications.

cats_or_get_out · 2016-02-18T06:07:45+00:00

This place is great because it represents a range of candid views--there is something here to offend everyone. (In the library profession, we say that the best library has something to offend everyone.)

Reading these threads challenges my worldview and has made me realized how much of my beliefs were previously unexamined. I am learning.

What fascinates me is the amount of quiet suffering (all people, all pills) experience. I cannot ameliorate or soothe, but I can start to see, especially in my day-to-day "real life." This place helps me from becoming complacent and indifferent to others.

fatdoobs · 2016-02-18T02:53:29+00:00

Let's be real, it's an interesting subject.

It's not some niche shit, anyone can participate and if you learn some things it can improve your life.

wuboo · 2016-02-18T02:59:17+00:00

About a year ago I deleted some games off my phone hoping to waste less time on it. That was about the same time I heard about TRP. I essentially traded one time sink for another. Sometimes I find this place entertaining, sometimes I find this place re affirming my beliefs, sometimes I hear about the lives of interesting people (you included), sometimes I want to ruffle feathers.

Villaintine · 2016-02-18T09:43:10+00:00

I'm here to see bloopers prove that women are different than TRP suggests. Obviously it can't be proven on this board alone because women tend to use power talk over straight talk so their words are not indicative of reality- hence watching actions, which again you can't do on a subreddit.

On the other hand, I can take their arguments and watch for those cues in my daily life. Unfortunately what I tend to see is more and more proof that bloopers are hopelessly, naively idealistic only for the purpose of positivity. No factual basis for any of it.

CuntyMcFagNuts69 · 2016-02-18T04:24:11+00:00

So I won't get fined

tallwheel · 2016-02-18T07:50:17+00:00

BPers remind me a lot of my former self: Very left-wing liberal, pro-feminism, believing in the genuine fairness/goodness of people, and also that men and women are basically the same on the inside.

Experiences in relationships, and eventually the manosphere shattered all those beliefs. I'm here to make sure I haven't left any good ideas or ways of thinking behind. Also here to see if any of my new ideas can be accepted at all by people who are similar to my former self.

wtknight · 2016-02-18T03:07:58+00:00

I'm here to express my own beliefs about relationships which happen to be contrary to TRP beliefs.

sittinginabaralone · 2016-02-18T03:19:11+00:00

I go on the internet to argue, this is definitely the best one where both sides of a hot topic are heard imo. The debates themselves are shit, but there are good points made often enough and it's not an upvote/downvote-fest.

Overall still full of nonsense and a complete waste of time for anyone

pleurocarp · 2016-02-18T03:29:33+00:00

Are you just here for fun?

Yep. There's a lot of (often unintentionally) funny stuff said on this here subreddit.

Do you feel oppressed and victimised?

Yes. My favorite cartoon was cancelled, and ever since then I've known the world was out to oppress me, personally.

RareBlur · 2016-02-18T04:23:38+00:00

Just for fun when I'm bored.

prettydrunk23 · 2016-02-18T03:00:02+00:00

Entertainment.

The woman hating red pill dudes are funny because it's pretty obvious they're all ugly losers who resent women for not wanting to fuck them and they think that applying some weird video game-esque life guide will bring them happiness or at least protect them from hurt.

And then the mostly blue pill people who are naive to all the fucked up games people play and the shit both men and women do (and put up with) to feel not alone in the world.

I love reading peoples' opinions and arguments - very interesting!

ArthurMacArthur · 2016-02-18T02:59:21+00:00

ADHD. I require a lot of distraction.

EmpressofMars · 2016-02-18T03:30:06+00:00

Are you just here for fun?

Yep.

Are you here because you're really fucking angry and pissed off? Do you want some validation of your suffering or experience, to know that either people care, or that your experience is not unprecedented and therefore you're not alone?

LOL nope.

Do you feel oppressed and victimised?

Eh, slightly at times, but I don't have it nearly as bad as some women.

Do you want to mock people who think they're oppressed when in your opinion they're privileged and entitled?

Mockery only feeds their fantasy and legitimizes it for them. I do indulge at times though, I'm only human.

Are you running or hiding from something? From yourselves?

Nah.

Have you picked this avenue of self improvement tangentially?

LOL self improvement isn't a term I'd apply to this place.

Do you want to act like a special snowflake and feed your ego through an anonymous persona exaggerating your personality and core values? Does being on stage make you feel important?

Nah.

Does any of the knowledge you gain here help you make life decisions, particularly wrt. the SMP/RMP?

If anything it's made me more paranoid of men.

Has anyone changed their minds since coming here? Has anyone's opinion just been reinforced?

Reinforced like a well built bridge, thankyaverymuch.

Has PPD and your willingness to question what you believe, improved your life or harmed it?

Net effect of zero on my life.

user5577 · 2016-02-18T11:09:26+00:00

I'm here because I guess at this stage I am purple pill. Spent first 20 years of my life as a super beta bitch blue pill boy. Spent 2 years going hardcore Red Pill, and it kind of ruined me, I mean I was losing my humanity on purpose because that's what you do when you're Red Pill.

Now I've put the throttle back. I want to exercise, I want to do well in my career - these things are not Red or Blue they just are.

As for women, I have no interest in fucking a different women every week. I do want a healthy relationship though.

DefNotAnAlien · 2016-02-18T06:11:34+00:00

Remind myself that there are some really fucked up men out there and they aren't always easy to spot.

Also giving them some or ANY actual real female feedback so they can hopefully begin to realise how God damn laughable and fucked up they are.

prodigy2throw · 2016-02-18T03:11:47+00:00

Here for the dick pics

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2016-02-18T03:33:53+00:00

To push my opinions on people.

ozymandias271 · 2016-02-18T04:02:55+00:00

It's something interesting and non-taxing to do when I'm having a bad depression day.

FromThePit · 2016-02-18T04:23:05+00:00

Because the Red Pill is stuck in my throat.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-02-18T04:29:58+00:00

Im a sadist.

teeay · 2016-02-18T04:39:17+00:00

I live to serve.

SallyStitches · 2016-02-18T05:07:16+00:00

I'm interested in the way people think, especially about interpersonal relationships.

Is there common ground? Are there valid points made by the "other side" ? What causes a person to form the beliefs that they have?

GaiusScaevolus · 2016-02-18T05:45:59+00:00

I enjoy debate.

Also marketing.

enternationalist · 2016-02-18T08:57:29+00:00

This subreddit is the kind of place where it's easy to find people fundamentally misunderstanding each other. I generally post to try and understand people's views (if not agree with them) and make those views accessible to others. I do this because it's challenging to think reasonably, patiently, and deliberately open-mindedly about these topics, and I want practice.

AdamAJ · 2016-02-18T09:41:42+00:00

Because I've been there. I know the anger. And that was long before any "Red Pill".

midnightvulpine · 2016-02-18T11:46:09+00:00

I'm here because it's an interesting way to spend a little time every once in a while when I'm not doing anything important. I find amusement here at times. I find things to genuinely think about. I find things to comment on. Not with the overall goal to change everyone's mind, but just as self expression. It helps me look at and refine my views, where I wouldn't be able to without this sort of personal sounding board. My views have been tweaked a few times since I started poking around here and it's a good thing.

GregariousWolf · 2016-02-18T12:47:43+00:00

If we all agree,

There's no reason to debate.

What's the fun in that?

Haiku!

I find the dynamics of relationships and sexual attraction interesting, and I like to talk to people who think differently than I do. I am relatively secure in my own beliefs, but I don't think you can learn that much from only talking to people with whom you agree. When I was a kid, I thought the battle of the sexes was some kind of political humor that I didn't quite understand. Now that I'm divorced, I'm a believer.

FirionDarklight · 2016-02-18T13:58:50+00:00

Mostly lurking and commenting once in a while. It has been quite fun, watching anglosaxons go at it. Though, most of the interesting answers in various topics came from either purple or reddish people. Most blueish individuals sounded like the hive mind with a different voice saying the same thing each time and throwing a snark and kafka trap in here and between. Though, the fact that they left their parody TM hugbox space is commendable. All in all has been quite the ride, and reading different views on things is fun.

UA_Hammer · 2016-02-18T15:56:28+00:00

Discussions here lead me to adopt new conclusions that I didn't realize before. Also I love watching bloops be hilariously self contradictory and accidentally prove my points while dropping a sick sjw rant on me.

scallopkid · 2016-02-18T16:30:33+00:00

My opinions have definitely been reinforced. My willingness to question my beliefs has always served me well, it's not something I learned from this subreddit though.

Mostly I'm here to refine and better understand my ideas by having to come up with arguments and explanations for them that are satisfactory, at least for my own standards for myself.

yasee · 2016-02-18T20:56:21+00:00

I don't even know anymore

Red_pill_junkie · 2016-02-18T03:09:08+00:00

Three reasons:

To see if I can challenge my own views (so far, this hasn't occurred)
To see if I can reinforce my views (so far, I've had my personal views towards left-leaning politics, feminism, and anti-RP (not anti-TRP), all confirmed)
Because my job has a LOT of downtime in between moments of sheer chaos, so I like to engage here.

cxj · 2016-02-18T04:15:45+00:00

I want to know the truth. I need to be challenged for this. I really like some of the posters on here. A few of them may even know me better than my irl friends in some ways. I'm addicted somehow but can't understand the nature of my addiction.

questioningwoman · 2016-02-18T05:15:57+00:00

I like arguing and debating and sort of want to present an alternate view that questions and dissects common narratives for the onlookers who might be watching. I'm also here to stand up for myself and show that not everyone will go along and not everyone is the same in nature.

impossibleworlds · 2016-02-18T06:20:18+00:00

This place is one tiny part of my process to deal with some personal fallout.

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jonascf · 2016-02-18T06:05:07+00:00

I have an interest in the topics of masculinity, gender roles and gender relations and this is a sub that gathers a diverse set of views on those topics.

kathydurst · 2016-02-18T06:15:01+00:00

I'm just trying to understand why everyone here that what they think.

teehee_schmeehee · 2016-02-18T06:52:46+00:00

This obviously.

Ghost_Hound · 2016-02-18T07:19:18+00:00

I'm here because, while I agree with a lot of red pill things, many aspects of my life run counter to it. While I agree with red pill stuff a lot, I still have some blue pill yearnings. This debate is my favorite train wreck lately as I try and make sense of the world and where it's going.

I'm actually pretty damn happy with my life and where it's going. I'm here because it fascinates me.

None of my ideals or opinions have been changed really. The only thing I have become more sure of is that a lot of my life is an exception to plenty of rules.

you_done_messed_up · 2016-02-18T07:23:22+00:00

I'm here to have my views challenged before I lose myself in groupthink.

Also to observe the hamster operating at a large scale. :)

Shadow_on_the_Heath · 2016-02-18T08:16:39+00:00

I'm just here to see Xemnas wrestle with that monkey on his back.

lbspredh · 2016-02-18T08:17:08+00:00

I just enjoy the drama

pandorarosie · 2016-02-18T08:50:11+00:00

PPD has done nothing to my life. Like my love of anime and manga it stays deep in the recesses of my mind.

gakwat · 2016-02-18T08:59:30+00:00

hoping to figure out why am terrible @ dating also seeing the same situation from 2 opposing povs is really eye opening .

yo_radical_one · 2016-02-18T10:47:09+00:00

It does interest me.

sunfistkid · 2016-02-18T13:08:04+00:00

I'm here to experience the estuary between TBP & TRP and to form my own opinions based on a broader pool of knowledge than just reading things on TRP / TBP would offer. My marriage is heading towards divorce, and if that experience has taught me anything, it's that I know next to nothing about how to be a good participant in a relationship/marriage.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-02-18T14:12:15+00:00

Why are you here?

Mostly out of intellectual curiosity. I find that when people argue about things that are close to home and things that they get angry about, they're more likely to be truthful than when they put on their composed public face out in the real world.

dota2nub · 2016-02-18T14:35:08+00:00

I am here to bring the downfall of the plague that is orgasm! Ph33r m3!

squidracer · 2016-02-18T15:12:27+00:00

It's winter and cold outside. This keeps me entertained.. Honestly I find both pills tend to lack morals, I obviously lean red, but sometimes I think they get carried away..

Christian_Kong · 2016-02-18T15:35:39+00:00

I'm here for laughs mostly. I like to laugh at how people portray TRP inaccurately. I like to laugh at how absurd some RP/BP theories/arguments are.

I sometimes like to join in discussion but am often shut down by people who say that real life experience is not a valid way to judge the real world.

I'm pretty fucked in the head at this point so I often laugh at the tragedies that I hear about in this sub. Same goes with real life.

PPD doesn't often change my world view since I deal with the horrors of everyday life often enough to guide my world view.

I feel a lot of people on this sub are trolls so that doesn't really help anyone but its still good fun a lot of the time.

PemBayliss · 2016-02-18T17:05:01+00:00

I like to argue; I like to keep my argumentation skills sharp; the subject matter is interesting.

asdf_clash · 2016-02-18T17:58:33+00:00

I'm here because gender issues are interesting to me, and for every kernel of truth in TRP there's 10 TRPers being complete shitbags about it, and I enjoy telling them so.

angels_fan · 2016-02-18T19:20:10+00:00

I'm a skeptic by nature.

I buy into red pill philosophy, but I'd be a shitty skeptic if I didn't challenge my beliefs.

Tbp is intellectually dishonest in their posts, so I can't take them seriously enough to challenge myself.

PPD has enough rigorous interchange of ideas that I can start separating what I believe is good rp theory and what is misogynistic horse shit.

And, make no mistake, there is blatant misogyny in trp. But, on the other hand, I believe it also puts into words what so wrong with the current sexual marketplace.

GridReXX · 2016-02-18T21:21:26+00:00

Are you just here for fun?

This.

And I like debating people with different POVs than myself.

I also find gender dynamics interesting simply because men and women are different (when it comes to sexuality and other things) and yet are meant to mate long term with one another.

It's like a cosmic riddle.

gasparddelanuit · 2016-02-18T21:42:58+00:00

Because it's both amusing and interesting to see this cultural war at play.

Darth_Sin · 2016-02-18T21:45:54+00:00

I like to debate and argue without having said debate and arguments devolve into pointless ad hominem attacks followed by ostracizing and possible harassment. I also like discussing ideas, theories and mental experiments.

I mean, I'm a MGTOW. If I go to TRP Reddit, all I end up finding is advice on how to "be Alpha" and spinning plates. To me, being an Alpha is being a fit man who lives his life on his own terms and I find plate spinning to be a worthless activity, especially from a cost-benefit analytical viewpoint. There is very little discussion or debate going on there.

Now if I go to TBP Reddit, all I find is a whole bunch of people who believe in ridiculous nonsense like true love, happily ever after, marriage is good, feminism is good, etc. Furthermore, most of the content on that site is just bashing TRP, there is very little discussion taking place there.

So, here I am.

LiftingStrongLifts · 2016-02-18T22:20:36+00:00

Strong strong post-hoc rationalizations going on in this thread.

Let's be honest, none of us are here for any reason that leads to a productive life and helps us in any way.

There are so many more important things in life than sitting on the internet and discussing some arbitrary pills. Red Pillers are here because they are either bored and their days aren't busy enough, because they understand the concepts but are too lazy to implement and would much rather debate them (my former self on my former reddit), or because they want to hear the other side's opinion (although after a while it's pretty darn repetitive, shouldn't take more than a year to learn and follow what YOU want).

Blue pillers are here to claim that moral high ground and get angry at people who are not doing anything outside the laws of most countries (Sharia aside). All in all, it's pretty fucking counter-productive until unless you are just here to improve your English.

~ Former PPD member.

Nothing against the sub itself, but let's be honest, spending your time on the internet to discuss gender relations is pretty darn sad. If this helps anyone, good. If it doesn't, cool.

IVIaskerade · 2016-02-18T22:31:04+00:00

I'm here because the red pill is the radical notion that men are people, and I'd like to see that acknowledged.

Juge-Penitent · 2016-02-19T04:00:01+00:00

The main goal is trying to put forth the idea that sexuality is maybe more of a disease than a commodity, which is just about the most antithetical thing one can argue in a place dedicated to sexual politics. Also, I come here because I'm bored. With the partisanship of TRP and TBP, as well as in general. I just write and see if anyone gives a shit.

arcticshqip · 2016-02-19T10:19:02+00:00

I'm probably here because I want to understand myself better. I have developed strangely strong and new kind of crush to someone I know is above me in everything and it has made me think why I feel that way.

I guess I can try to understand all kinds of (heterosexual) relationships better if I hear opinions from those who find happiness in equality and from those who are not equal and from those that are equal but don't want to be.

Archwinger · 2016-02-19T15:05:46+00:00

99.999% of us, myself included, are here for fun. This is an internet hobby, not an actual movement to change minds, change the world, gain something tangible, express myself therapeutically, or anything of the sort.

Typing shit to people on the internet is a hobby. It's not important or really all that constructive. It's entertainment. In fact, it's kind of like a video game. I see shit, I respond to it with certain text, I score points based on the quality of my response, I get responses back based on the response I delivered. Sometimes I post original shit then get points and responses.

Reddit is a multiplayer video game.

Yonderlander · 2016-02-18T07:36:45+00:00

Here for fun. I find shocking, offensive things really funny and it's extra entertaining because its about meeeeee, a woman!

Also, when I first encountered Red Pill, it seems laughable now, I was worried that seemingly so many people were so prejudiced. Like The Westboro Baptist church of sexism online. Purple pill is brilliant because you can unpick it and really confirm the fact that to espouse these beliefs really requires a near-total suspension of logic and intelligence. These people are nothing to worry about.

There is something really addictive about it.

BenGunnSilver · 2016-02-18T10:10:07+00:00

I'm here to put some sense inside the head of these trp children.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2016-02-18T17:57:16+00:00

relationships are extremely interesting to me, as are other people that find relationships interesting

moosemc · 2016-02-18T23:12:08+00:00

Because it is so profoundly sad that this level of distrust exists between people who claim to have unique insight into both genders.

It fascinates me in the same way that /r/iamverysmart does. But ultimately, it makes me sad, because everyone just wants to spend a bit more time with the opposite gender. And that should be possible without manifestos and rules, etc.

I feel sad that people make fun of lonely young men. And sad that the methodology suggested is so cynical.

Its all a nasty trainwreck of bitterness and mistrust. And I like to watch it.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-02-18T17:22:18+00:00

Honestly? Because my life is kind of absurdly oversexed, and the redpill lives in an apocalyptic dystopia where we're doing everything wrong. It's been fun to watch them fail to convince us we need to change what we're attracted to.

Or even figure out what they're actually debating against.

Last, but not least, their toxic bullshit isn't just a harmless game. It needs to be confronted, the same as any other hate.

Edit: Really, I probably wouldn't be here, if their very selective reading and interpretation of evolutionary psychology didn't attack my friends, family, and loved ones. Post reflected to change that.

SkinnySweaty · 2016-02-18T20:37:08+00:00

I'm frustrated with the men of RP. You embarrass the rest of us men.

I'm older (42), so I have actually lived through most of what RP only theorizes about. It's ridiculous that RP cannot achieve basic sell-improvement (good) without falling into blaming women (bad) for their woes.

My time on PPD has allowed me to meet some very thoughtful men, like our OP, but I am as adamant as ever that men need to solve their own problems and quit blaming women.

DivinePrince2 · 2016-02-19T10:49:45+00:00

I'm bored. It's 2:50 AM. Why am I not asleep? Idk.

Edit: also i like pissing off pillers.

Title	Q4 All: Why are you here?
Author	Xemnas81
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Comments	137
Date	February 18, 2016 2:47 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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