CMV: Most men don't give a shit about woman's age, even for LTRs and marriage. If a woman is hot enough, they won't care if she's 25 or 50.

toysjoe · 2019-12-27T13:17:34+00:00

You’re comparing a rule that’s generally true and saying well there are exceptions to that.

It’s not mutually exclusive to say:

50 year old women are usually significant less hot than 25 year olds
There are some hot 50 year olds out there

the-lone-squid · 2019-12-27T12:52:21+00:00

Men will fuck or keep a f.w.b with just about anything.

They will also continue "shopping around" for a younger better option.

WIA20XX · 2019-12-27T11:48:07+00:00

I've never actually seen men or women saying they regret not having kids. And I've met lots of people regretting the fact they have kids.

You sound sheltered and inexperienced

-TheGreasyPole- · 2019-12-27T13:40:11+00:00

OK,

The average age difference at marriage is 2 years (male older).

And as a matter of fact, the extreme of this situation is being hidden by that average.

Only 7.6% of women have a husband 4+ years younger and only 4.6% 6+ years younger (this number is also included in the 4+).

For men the equivalent figures are 32.3% (4+) and 19% (6+).

If men don’t give a shit, why accross hundreds of millions of men is there such a strong disparity ?

Now, I think you’re right in the sense that men are “indiscriminate” in that they’re happy to have sex with or form LTRs with women outside their preference. Women are much more likely to “discriminate” and only have sex/form LTRs with men who conform to their preferences.... but the preference for younger women is there, even if men are indiscriminate and the stats reflect that preference.

I think your view is being cause by you assuming something like “men are as picky as girls...” and then upon seeing men dating older as well as younger that “.... therefore they have no preference for youth”.

But men don’t work that way, and so this reasoning leads girls astray.

Finally, you also qualified the above with “as long as the women are good looking” and this is another tell as to the real situation.

What counts as “good looking” in women ? Appearing young.

Men have a preference for youth, and so if you’re 35 but look 25 (what you called “good looking”) you satisfy that preference. If the women are “not good looking”, if they’re a 35 yo with the looks and body shape of a 45 yo, they don’t satisfy that preference.

Almost everything men count as “being good looking” in women is related to markers of age and fertility (symmetry and markers of femininity are the exceptions). By noting their “willingness to date up for good looking women” you are in essence noting that “men will date older women, if they look exactly like the younger women who are their preference".

immibis · 2019-12-27T13:54:33+00:00

Age is already accounted for inside "hotness". It's not "age doesn't matter", it's "age doesn't matter when you control for this variable that is already based on age."

goatismycopilot · 2019-12-27T12:20:13+00:00

I think men like younger women for a number of reasons so I am disagreeing. Even if a man already has kids and does not want more he gets a huge ego boost from the idea that he has roped up a fertile women. Older guys especially with some money like to parade them like fine livestock in front of friends and colleagues. Their women are like horses or valuable cattle.

Younger women are more likely to believe their lines and stories which is why they are seen as fun and less demanding. They have lower expectations. The exception to all of this would be a developing world woman who wants to GTFO of wherever. She will give the appearance of being so while playing the long game.

Younger women offer the option of having children if the man is neutral about it. Men do not want children in exactly the same way as women, they like the idea of them and once they are bored with whatever they are doing they might soften their resistance. Men get very validated by the approval of other men and scoring a younger wife/plate/ gf is a clear way of doing so. The dude with the ugly or old wife/gf/plate is always going to lose in the pecking order among men who are competitive. It is less about the younger woman she doesn't really matter because she is just the summation of whatever the man is projecting anyway.

Cash50000 · 2019-12-27T12:33:43+00:00

Well, even though I couldn't care less about having kids, I wouldn't ever consider dating a girl too far from my own age range. As you said, the young ones would annoy me, but likewise the older ones would have life experience too far removed from my own. All in all, aiming for similarly aged people seems to me the best option

El_Guapo2020 · 2019-12-27T18:57:19+00:00

Look what happens when you put men in prison, they start f*cking one another there are men who will fck anything and thats not low value desperate men there are men who’s base line sex drive is EVERYTHING that moves. This could be 10% or more of all men. No matter how old not matter how fat no matter how ugly no woman feels safe walking the streets at night. Because these men are out there.

But think about female looks maxing. A girl who is a 5 in the face ,can glam up with make up and jump to a 7. So imagine a women who starts out as a 8-9 in the face as she ages as he looks fade she can just use make up to stay competitive beyond an a homely girl. The wall only applies to a narrow set of goals. For a particular set of women. There are women in their 50s getting married who are on their third husband

HarassMyAnger · 2019-12-27T19:36:07+00:00

For what its worth, I lost my V card to a woman that was decades older than me.

She was super fucking hot to be fair.

wtknight · 2019-12-27T13:35:21+00:00

They do give a shit, but substantially younger women are inaccessible to most men so they will often settle for "hot" women their age and even older. It appears to outside observers like yourself that men don't care about a woman's age or actually prefer these women, but I don't think that this is the case.

J_Milton_Jr · 2019-12-27T13:29:01+00:00

Maybe it's the "bitter" kind of older women who turn men off? Younger women are more naive and therefore more enthusiastic, they are more "alive". I assume men are looking for traits in women that they lack / cannot express themselves, i.e. the ability to live out zest for life, passion, devotion and curiosity in a childlike manner... all these characteristics disappear / become less with increasing life experience

DisastrousMeaning1 · 2019-12-27T16:18:28+00:00

When you get to LTRs and marriage, it's a stretch to say men "don't give a shit about age".

Most men when they get to the idea of exclusivity and commitment, age plays a role. Depending on their own ages and stations in life, a lot of men want kids, or at least are open to kids. So they want a woman who is of childbearing age. And most men want a woman who is close to their own age, because you have a lot more in common with each other when your ages are within 5 years of each other.

It's different for short term things, sure. But for commitment, age plays a role. Maybe not the most important role. But it certainly is not meaningless.

iLiveInAHologram94 · 2019-12-27T18:01:11+00:00

No clue if “most” is true or not but a number of the guys I’ve seated ARE into milfs.

statusincorporated · 2019-12-27T19:21:29+00:00

This is correct except the kids part.

stallisfolife · 2019-12-27T23:31:40+00:00

Except a hot 20 year old could still be hot at 40/50.

A hot 50 year old won’t at 70/80

G77R23D · 2019-12-28T02:50:49+00:00

Big difference between a man wanting to smash and a man wanting to commit.

reluctantly_red · 2019-12-27T14:06:08+00:00

True. However, the percentage of 50 year old women who are still hot is tiny. The percentage of hot 25 year olds is much higher. Do the math.

poopiedoodie710 · 2019-12-27T14:23:38+00:00

I agree with you, but I think this is kind of true for either sex. If you are physically attractive and have the qualities a person desires in a partner (emotional intelligence, attitude, work ethic, etc.), whether man or woman, they don’t care how young or old they are. If you’re a hot worthwhile person, not matter your age, you’re a keeper.

The only instance in which I’d disagree with you would be men dating older women with whom they want to have natural children; numerous studies show women can conceive healthy babies well past 35, but some men may be opposed to the idea of marrying an older partner who may have health complications or pass away many years before them because of a large age difference (of course you can always date again once you’re ready if your partner passes, adopt if you so choose, etc. but it could still lead to some qualms on their end).

G77R23D · 2019-12-27T13:54:04+00:00

Lol.

putconfac · 2019-12-28T01:08:32+00:00

Most men don't give a shit about woman's age, even for LTRs and marriage. If a woman is hot enough, they won't care if she's 25 or 50.

I'm a man stop being delusional.

immature girl

Is she hot? Is she feminine? Is she healthy? that's what we care about when looking for a STR.

They approach you because you're getting older and you're less likely to reject them you know is painful to be rejected.

Meanwhile they're trying to lock a younger girl, we dont go for the girls below 18 because its illegal and is embarrassing to be labeled a creeps.

Many guys (not me) out of desperation will get a BJ from a gay man.

"It's flattering knowing men desire me. But then I remember a man would also have sex with a McChicken. So I don't let it get to my head,"

Adriana Lima

Get this straight;

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Source; I'm a man.

DubsPackage · 2019-12-27T12:36:01+00:00

Sorta kinda not really.

I could be sexually attracted to a woman that's (let's say) 40, but part of my brain is thinking, "She can't bear my kids so what's even the point."

Then again there are plenty of men out there who either already have a babymoms and don't need another, or just out there sampling the field.

Lord_ImperialSurname · 2019-12-27T13:09:36+00:00

The wall is real. Denying it by saying "I know a girl who still looks good in 50's" won't change the fact.

The science behind the wall is fertility. Women age 35+ have only 0.6% chance of being pregnant. So men aren't biologically programmed to like them.

Most people (including men) seem to be annoyed with younger people more than they seem attracted to them.

I actually like co-eds. Younger women are usually sweeter too.

But put me in a room with him for 2 minutes and just talking to him will make me want to gouge my eyes out. They're void, clingy, think good romantic/sex life is the basis of a happy life.

That's because women are actually biologically programmed to like older, more mature men because older mature men are generally more alpha, have higher social status in life.

If anyone wants to see example of female solipsim, this is the example. I don't like younger men, so most people don't like younger people too like me

kids just aren't important to most men as regular sex is

Of course kids are important, for younger men in 20s, they care more about sex, but for older men in 30s, kids are important.

I've never actually seen men or women saying they regret not having kids.

Perhaps you've never met with single older people, i.e stereotypical cat ladies. Because they do regret.

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bonusfruit · 2019-12-27T15:04:50+00:00

Men give a ahit depending on their options

LotBuilder · 2019-12-27T17:12:45+00:00

Guys will sport fuck attractive older women but successful LTR’s are rare, if that’s what a girl is looking for. Marriage rates where the wife is 5 years older is 6% of all marriages. 15% for 2 years (which is basically the same age).

The couples with the lowest failure rate have a man that is 5 years older and neither party has married before. The longest shot for success is a woman 5 years older that is divorced.

SpaceS4t4n · 2019-12-27T17:24:04+00:00

Dude there is so much nuance in here you're glossing over while trying to over generalize. Most men actually DO give a shit about the disparity of experience that comes with certain age gaps: dating someone super young comes with it's own set of problems, as you pointed out, in that they have very little actual life experience. But the opposite end of the spectrum is also true: people 40 + have so MUCH life experience that they're moving on to a different stage of their lives or are set in their ways and are inflexible. Both can be major problems for a long term relationship. Quick easy sex? No biggie. But not for something bigger. Also most men do give a shit if they have kids in that they don't want them until they're established. So yes we care.

Maybelowsmv · 2019-12-27T18:23:01+00:00

They do. I got rejected for being at two different life stages lol.

BothWaysItGoes · 2019-12-27T18:34:23+00:00

Surely there are grades of caring between “don’t give a shit” and “the only thing to care about”?

furcryingoutloud · 2019-12-27T19:22:27+00:00

Most people (including men) seem to be annoyed with younger people more than they seem attracted to them.

55 yr old here. I don't date anyone near close to my age. Your statement above is exactly the reason for it. Though I am not annoyed by younger women, I am less inclined to take them seriously, and they are less inclined to be taken seriously. They obviously don't want a relationship with me and if they say they do, I tell them to sit down, take a few deep breaths, and wait til it passes.

Between 19 and 25 seems to be the sweet spot for me. I don't want or need a conversation. I don't want or need a challenge. Also, children? I'm very rapidly excusing myself from the equation and not interested in any type of a relationship at all, other than sexual.

goatismycopilot · 2019-12-27T20:56:20+00:00

Men are not dating hot women for their accomplishments.

Mattcwu · 2019-12-27T21:26:20+00:00

If kids happen, they happen. That seems to be the attitude of most men.

What is the source for this?

2019-12-28T00:52:16+00:00

I agree with you 100%. The appearance of physical attractiveness will never make up for the connection you have with someone similar in age- movies, music, experiences. I don't have a personal issue with young people but over a couple of hours they tend to annoy they heck out of me. Respectfully.

LeJacquelope · 2019-12-28T00:57:42+00:00

LOL WTF you don't meet many men at all. I wanted kids and am ever grateful for our four kids, and I know a lot of men want kids and were grateful for the ones they have. Also, news flash, if you see a lot of men here talking about fertility as a factor in attraction... guess what, it's important to them.

Also: studies or none of this happened.

sleeper5ervice · 2019-12-28T02:16:13+00:00

They're void

Haha, I love this.

BumblingBeta · 2019-12-28T03:19:38+00:00

True for me. Can't speak for other men though.

I've never cared for a woman's age. Any woman 18+ is fine by me. Older women in the 50-65 range are usually the easiest to get on with and if they enjoy sex and sexual intimacy, that's perfect. You also can't get them pregnant, which is a bonus.

I'm certainly not going to chase after a young woman just because she's young. I don't care about "youth". Never something that's bothered me.

amwfhunter · 2019-12-28T08:05:54+00:00

Most men arent of high value or have choice either. I've always been a believer of the 20 80 rule where the top 20 percent of men get 80 percent of women.

CosmicBioHazard · 2019-12-28T18:35:40+00:00

There are plenty of older women, even post-menopause, who I'd find attractive, but I do ultimately want my own kids, which puts them off-limits for marriage.

So I don't care in theory but the logistics don't pan out in all cases.

Transmigratory · 2019-12-28T21:26:17+00:00

I'm going to guess someone who doesn't get much action from hotties posted this. Otherwise there's be no need to qualify a sweeping stance with several anecdotes over the internet.

MEA267 · 2019-12-30T14:21:41+00:00

I would. I want someone closer to my age, if at all possible. The closer, the better , for me. That way, we have more common memories.

M4sterDis4ster · 2019-12-27T11:56:30+00:00

I do care about girls age. As someone who wants to have more than 2 kids, I will need fertile woman, which is definetely not a woman already in her 30s.

Considering marriage statistics, 35% of husbands are older 1-3 years than their wives, and another 35% are older than their wives 4-7 years. So average husband is 4-5 years older than his wife in Europe/NA.

The rest of 30% are either men older than their wives by large margin like 15+ years, or wives older than their husbands.

Generally speaking, your subjective experience does not apply to general population, especially considering marriage/LTR.

CMOAN_MAYNE · 2019-12-27T13:32:51+00:00

This is completely wrong lmao

Source: I’m a guy and won’t date someone who isn’t AT LEAST two years younger than me. Preferably 3-5.

diffdedbed · 2019-12-27T14:20:17+00:00

I've never actually seen men or women saying they regret not having kids. And I've met lots of people regretting the fact they have kids.

I'm close to 50. They regret the shit out of it. You can tell easily in how they treat their pets. None will tell you though, the human mind easily justifies decisions like that. It works for kids too. Parents with two kids justify to themselves why they don't have three, parents with three justify why its so good they had three.

With no kids its even easier. I'd take a bullet for my kids, but if I never had them, I'd never even be able to understand that.

Now does this invalidate your point? No, men don't think breeding stock naturally, they think "hot".

But its a rare day I'm attracted to a woman older than I am (+5 seems to be my max).

So you are right about hot = hot but evolution has kept hot = younger as a thing, because of those kids.

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RF111164 · 2019-12-27T13:50:09+00:00

clingy, think good romantic/sex life is the basis of a happy life.

what's the problem with these?

lol ... then what is" the basis of a happy life. "? (money? some bullshit self-help book?)

because he lacked layers and life experience. "Soul", if you will.

???

colcrnch · 2019-12-27T15:37:53+00:00

Totally untrue. Older women have too much baggage, probably children. No thank you.

Nodoxxintoxin · 2019-12-27T17:49:30+00:00

Lol.....old woman here......you’re delusional. Most men DO NOT WANT OLDER WOMEN. I have one incredibly well preserved friend who looks good enough to routinely attract guys 5 years younger......not just for sex, but for relationships. She is an outlier.

goneaway2thewind · 2019-12-27T17:54:40+00:00

It's very rare to be a hot 50 year old though, may I introduce you to r/the_wall

2019-12-27T22:02:40+00:00

Uh...... no.

Women of all ages will be bombarded with attention from thirsty men of all ages. That doesnt mean that the average dude wants to settle down with a chick 20 years his senior.

Outliers exist of course... and because men approach, and men are willing to temporarily fuck women they would eventually grow out of, it can give a false impression that female age doesnt matter. But of course it does.

Canadasosig · 2019-12-27T22:12:29+00:00

Even if i found a 50 year old attractive I would never date one. Or marry one and have children. People older than at least 37 cannot have children that are extremely healthy because they are not in their sexual prime anymore

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-12-28T04:19:42+00:00

most men are basically losers who are desperate for pussy and will gladly put their dick in any warm wet hole, so yeah they'll probably fuck a grody post-wall woman.

but high value men with an abundance of options (the only men that women actually want) do care about a woman's age. if fucking hot 22 year olds is a possibility, all those 50 women are going to be invisible.

the thing about men not wanting to be with younger women bc they're too immature or annoying or whatever is complete bullshit. that's something that low value betas say when they're trying rationalize the fact that they can't be with younger women. there are annoying and dumb women of ALL ages. a 50 year old is just as likely to be annoying as a 20 year old.

Wallstreet3 · 2019-12-27T11:49:58+00:00

I would never date a woman my age.

chomponthebit · 2019-12-27T15:48:04+00:00

Post-wall women may be far more experienced and technically better at giving BJs, but saggy and jaded after time and the cc run their course doesn’t do a thing for me. Nothing beats the perky tits, ass, and attitude of under-25. Dick don’t lie

The only exception to “older” is* recently-divorced who hasn’t ridden the cc. That’s exciting.

The exception to “younger” is the 22 year-old who already has the thousand-cock stare. Ew

*edit

PMmeYourHopes-Dreams · 2019-12-27T16:14:01+00:00

I'm in my 40s and I'm not interested in my female peers. Younger looks better and their attitudes are just as toxic as younger women. I would rather date a woman in her 30s than a woman in her 40s. When they are 50+ it is game over.

saladfingers4141 · 2019-12-27T18:21:38+00:00

I don't believe in the 24 year old wall or any of that nonsense but for me and men I know of a similar age this statement just isn't true. Every single one of my friends is with a girl either the same age or up to 5 years younger, obviously as we are biologically engrained to want to breed women's attractiveness is inextricably linked to youth and fertility, even if we personally don't want kids.

You're right about the young people thing, I couldn't think of anything worse than dating an 18 year old personality wise but dating girls my age (30) and older isn't ideal either. They either come with baggage (kids, divorce etc) or they are extremely desperate to settle down and rush a relationship to have kids.

xoxuv · 2019-12-27T18:28:09+00:00

Most men are betas.

Betas are desperate, and crave anything.

They are the drones of society. Use them if you want. That's the one thing they are useful for.

Title	CMV: Most men don't give a shit about woman's age, even for LTRs and marriage. If a woman is hot enough, they won't care if she's 25 or 50.
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Date	December 27, 2019 11:34 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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