"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." -Hillary Clinton

thelotusknyte · 2014-06-29T06:49:35+00:00

I think the primary victims are the people who die.

Edit: My very first gold. Thanks!

IAmKnownAsBigT · 2014-06-29T06:22:38+00:00

I thought that this was a fucking joke. Are you fucking serious? How in the fuck can you say something like that?

greycloud24 · 2014-06-29T06:11:39+00:00

i get shot by a sniper, but its my mom who is the primary victim. never mind the fact she kicked me out onto the street at the age of 14, she is the real victim here.

feminism. because men shouldn't get most of the credit for the violence they are exposed to in combat. oh, and the only reason guys go to war is patriarchy. men fight in it, men die in it, men are to blame for it, and women are the victims.

scottsouth · 2014-06-29T08:49:46+00:00

The wealthy are the primary victims of poverty. Yup, makes complete sense.

myalias1 · 2014-06-29T07:33:12+00:00

And she's going to be our next US president. Swept into office in one of the most divisive, pandering, identity-politics-focused campaign ever seen. God it's going to be an ugly bit of time.

Oneill95 · 2014-06-29T09:29:22+00:00

I'm going to go on a bit of a tangent here. Obviously all of the war pictures are sad and depressing but that last one really hit me. He and his full squadron would come together on D-day to thank those who died and to see each other again. One by one they passed on until this year he was the only one remaining. Just thought I'd share that.

Unenjoyed · 2014-06-29T15:48:49+00:00

Do you remember the time when running hard against Obama, HC explained how on a junket with the hubby she faced sniper fire at the Sarajevo airport?

Turns out it was a diplomatic visit and the American ambassador's young daughter presented the First Lady with a bouquet of flowers under clear skies and not a hint of gun fire within hearing distance all day - according to the Ambassador.

gsettle · 2014-06-29T13:01:33+00:00

Hilary Clinton - the Queen of victim mentality!

Not1meh · 2014-06-29T14:12:55+00:00

"Of the two sexes, men have always experienced more suffering during childbirth. The emotional anguish and physical pain from hand squeezing can be unbearable when coupled with the amount of support a man is expected to provide to his partner during this arduous, stressful event." - no one. Ever. Because it's silly.

2014-06-29T15:15:56+00:00

Even with the original, full quote, the issue still stands:

Why does the word "Empowerment" have to mean "I'm more important than {insert demographic here}"? In the case of women, why do people like Hillary et al always feel the need to ignore that men suffer equally in order to give women a leg up?

I wouldn't have a problem with "Women are victims of war". See, no "Primary" or "The Primary". There you go, you get to feel better, share in your pain, without devaluing the suffering of the other gender.

But no, always with "Empowerment" comes "I'm more important".

"I can do anything better than you can, I can do anything better than you."

Or

"I can suffer better than you can, I can suffer better than you"

Those who try to put this in context, saying it's for women in a country that doesn't address their pain well, again I ask "Why put down/ignore the other gender's pain"?

If this is what they wanted to hear, they can do better. They can do much better than adhere to a narrative that puts their suffering above the other.

chowder138 · 2014-06-29T19:18:44+00:00

A soldier died in combat? Fuck him. His poor wife is the real victim!

t0talnonsense · 2014-06-29T12:48:30+00:00

24% of US men are military veterans. 2% of US women are.

I mention that in case anyone thinks the comparison is unfair.

RobinZWebster · 2014-06-29T07:50:41+00:00

Nah, c'mon, she can't be serious. Can she...??

SolidSmoke2021 · 2014-06-29T14:36:41+00:00

As somebody who's been to war, lost friends, been blown the fuck up, killed people, and gotten severe ptsd, yeah my ex-wife definitely had it worse.

She's the real victim, she had to go through countless months of partying, and drinking and spending my money. That poor woman! We should start up a foundation or something! /s

Fuck Hillary Clinton!

Phred_Felps · 2014-06-29T19:07:26+00:00

I'm not the type of person that's often affected by looking at pictures. They never strike a chord with me, but that one with the crying young man and what looked like a superior officer screaming or consoling him really got me.

I've always thought it, but war is just dumb as shit. It's basically a generation of young adults being used in pissing match between old bastards who can't resolve their differences with words. If both sides could overcome their individual obstacles, then we wouldn't have that shit going on. It's absolutely disgusting.

Captaincastle · 2014-06-29T06:06:20+00:00

Jesus christ that's powerful

Revoran · 2014-06-29T09:14:33+00:00

What Hilary Clinton said is despicable and very ignorant. However, the pictures that you've linked to feel a lot like propaganda. It's almost as if you're implying that all girls are vapid and shallow whereas all men suffer more. While the number is considerably less, women are in the army too. I don't think we need to put down one gender to fight for the rights of another and this is the kind of manipulative stuff we hate to see in feminism. Let's not do that.

SnowyGamer · 2014-06-29T08:25:59+00:00

So brain damage it is then.

2014-06-29T15:47:06+00:00

Ugh, this lady...right, because we don't have gay service members, not to mention the fact that the "primary victims" of war aren't women (no fucking shit), it's the men that die in them. WOAH! But that takes to much brain power to comprehend, so of course she wouldn't get this. Women have died in war as well, Hilary.

DNZe · 2014-06-29T15:48:48+00:00

I found this as a full quote

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children."

Source - FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FIRST LADIES’ CONFERENCE ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SAN SALVADOR, EL SALVADOR -- NOVEMBER 17, 1998 (AS DELIVERED)

2014-06-29T17:04:48+00:00

Men are the primary victims of war. Because when we get killed, we are that ones who cease to exist....forever.

highmayne420 · 2014-07-01T19:32:06+00:00

OBVIOUSLY having to grieve and mourn is worse than actually dying. Can't you see that?

ThePigmanAgain · 2014-06-29T11:00:20+00:00

Whereas men lose only their lives...

Jefe710 · 2014-06-29T17:04:58+00:00

Poignant.

ytismylife · 2014-06-29T17:31:00+00:00

No self-respecting man should vote for her.

speedisavirus · 2014-06-29T20:46:09+00:00

Having been to war, she can eat a massive bag of dicks. The real victims are the people that die, the people that have to kill, and the people there having to deal with the shit at home while still doing their job abroad.

t0talnonsense · 2014-06-29T11:02:25+00:00

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MattClark0994 · 2014-06-29T12:09:47+00:00

This just makes me hate her even more. I'd even go so far as to say I would rather have chivalrous/moron Joe biden in office rather than hillary.

Panoolied · 2014-06-29T10:49:35+00:00

Seeing Soldiers mourning their friends and comrades really gets to me. Families feel a loss you, obviously, but they haven't been through what a group of soldiers go through together. I can't imagine having a small group of people who understand it all shrinking down to nothing and leaving you totally alone.

slash217 · 2014-06-29T12:55:51+00:00

That last picture crushed me. Well played OP.

2014-06-29T17:53:17+00:00

But the men who die...fuck them.

Sheboonery · 2014-06-29T18:59:54+00:00

The only words to describe Hillary properly:

Diabolical Cunt

OldArmyMetal · 2014-06-29T19:23:50+00:00

To put this in perspective, Hillary Clinton's primary beneficiaries are child rapists, suspected terrorists and people who wanted Vince Foster dead.

So I don't know if she's qualified to speak about who is the victim of what.

suckat_life · 2014-06-29T19:40:35+00:00

That's really fuckin stupid of that bitch to say. But everyone's entitled to these feelings, not just military personnel

Ratelslangen2 · 2014-06-29T19:46:40+00:00

That german boy always gets me to tears. I dont know why, he looks too much like me and my grandpa.

2014-06-29T20:14:51+00:00

If she had just omitted "the primary", it wouldn't be offensive but as it is I would never vote for her for anything.

turkeybot69 · 2014-06-29T20:43:56+00:00

Holy crap those were sad pictures. Also really? The people who die in those terrible conditions have it better? Sure there is survivors guilt ect. but losing your life seems a lot worse.

2014-06-30T00:42:57+00:00

She's a fucking idiot and it looks like she's actually going to be a presidential front runner.

2014-06-30T00:50:05+00:00

This pissed me off so fucking much! FUCK FEMINISTS YOU SEXIST FUCKS.

Bukkake_Monster · 2014-06-30T11:36:28+00:00

Doesn't this get posted twice a month or so?

WizardryAwaits · 2014-11-16T00:51:51+00:00

I don't know much about Hillary Clinton, but is it possible that she does not know what the word "primary" means? Because the way she has used it is not what it means. I find it hard to believe that she would say such a stupid and outright false statement. Was it perhaps misguided hyperbole and poor grasp of English?

2014-06-29T15:50:31+00:00

Hillary is a piece of shit and deserves to become a real victim of war. Why doesn't she go to the front line to see what it's really like? Huh?

COVERartistLOL · 2014-06-29T13:38:45+00:00

so if more women died in war. Than women are seen as the primary victims. And if more men die in war. Than women are still seen as the primary victim.

So basically men aren't even seen as casualties when they die more. FUCK.

She also forgot to mention that boys loose the fathers. And fathers also loose their sons. But over course, feminist don't acknowledge the pain males suffer.

2014-06-29T15:37:36+00:00

What a cunt.

Leadbaptist · 2014-06-29T14:30:03+00:00

I made one of these a while back, http://m.imgur.com/n6pG9ev

2014-06-29T12:21:25+00:00

Yeah yeah, And my extremely good looking ex is oppressed. Tell me another I'm right in the mood.....

liquid_j · 2014-06-29T20:03:12+00:00

I think I'd rather be sad then cease to exist.

drinkthebleach · 2014-06-29T12:41:24+00:00

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historyismybitch · 2014-06-29T14:01:29+00:00

That Vietnam memorial picture puts me in tears every time.

randomtechguy142857 · 2014-06-29T14:59:25+00:00

Anyone here read the London Evening Standard? In the issue focused on the summit on victims of war rape, Rosamund Urwin was in one picture with a sign saying "It's more dangerous to be a woman than a soldier in wartime." I'd just like to know what these people's thought processes are.

MensRightsGuru · 2014-06-29T15:55:18+00:00

Men and women are the causes and victims of war. The AUMF passed with only two abstentions and one "nay." Senate bill, amended from the House's original, which passed with only a single dissenting vote. I need not cite to the precise number of women who did vote; it was roughly 80.

(But more men die from it, obviously.)

Kirkayak · 2014-06-29T16:23:36+00:00

War ravages nations, peoples.

If war is medicine, the disease is truly stubborn.

AirboxCandle · 2014-06-29T16:36:20+00:00

This is probably the most maddening quote in existence. It's incredible that someone could be so oblivious. No doubt women do suffer in war, but primary victims? It's like she was trying to come up with the most outrageous claim she could make.

2014-06-29T18:33:51+00:00

Ooh, /r/politics can't defend this bitch now!

MassivePenis · 2014-06-29T18:53:16+00:00

Is it too much to say that the dead men would disagree with her?!

pcarvious · 2014-06-29T18:59:37+00:00

Could you post the full context of the quote and give it some background?

2014-06-29T22:01:47+00:00

I know that reddit hates to admit this, but the Democrats aren't going to win a third term in office. That almost never happens, and when it does, it happens during times of massive foreign danger and incredible economic growth.

This isn't 1940, with the economy growing like gangbusters to recover from a long depression (the second recession of the great depression hadn't kicked in yet) and the threat of world war 2 on the horizon. This isn't 1988, where we had 7% annualized growth and the Soviet Union was clearly teetering on the brink of major changes. This is 2016, when the economy will likely still be hobbling along and most Americans are more afraid of their government than they are Iraq.

Hillary as President just isn't going to happen. Polls might say it will today, but polls three years before a President election don't even make good toilet paper -- how did the Dems fair running Lieberman in 2004, again, or Hillary in 2008? What's President McCain doing right now?

dirtyapenz · 2014-06-29T23:02:59+00:00

Spend a day on the front line and see how you feel about that Hilary

Your_Bacon_Counselor · 2014-06-30T01:38:32+00:00

How do I "un-register" to vote?

MWcrazyhorse · 2014-06-30T02:01:56+00:00

LOL. Do they even notice it anymore?

doc_rotten · 2014-06-30T04:00:35+00:00

Men don't lose their brothers, their fathers or their sons in war? How can this person even be considered for president, when she is so inconsiderate of half the population? Not to mention the portion of the population that has actually been "dead broke" without millions coming down the pipe, and millions in assets, which some people contend are 99% of us.

2014-06-30T10:24:11+00:00

Oh god. Talk about a kick to the feels.

saoran · 2014-06-29T12:33:50+00:00

i was arguing with a feminist who tried to excuse this quote by saying that men who die in war are 'combatants' and not victims.

overtmind · 2014-06-29T14:36:55+00:00

Fathers and sons lose themselves?

DeeBased · 2014-06-29T17:07:43+00:00

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ekaceerf · 2014-06-29T20:39:51+00:00

My fiancee who is a veteran says that is bull crap.

2014-06-29T18:02:54+00:00

If I may interject my two cents real quick, even though the images are set up in the way showing women at home and men at war I would like to bring attention to the women that serve in the military. So for me the message I perceived was less 'men who serve and die while women who are back home suffer' and more (almost satirical) images attached with 'problems' vs real suffering and issues. Which, for me, doesn't really line up with Hillary Clinton's quote. For the 'home front images' to be more accurate they should show fallen soldier's loved ones mourning & grieving their deaths instead of #justgirlythings images. But that's just me...

2014-06-29T18:37:12+00:00

Circlejerk much?

LesChampignonsVivent · 2014-06-29T17:37:51+00:00

I hate this type of picture, it's like someone saying, "I'm starving!" and then someone jumping in with "How can FEeL huGNHER wen KiDZ in AFrkkA r STARviNF u DuMDB TeEN SlUT!!1!"

2014-06-29T14:24:34+00:00

I can only hope that this quote was poorly stated by Mrs. Clinton. Otherwise it's supremely stupid. Regardless, it will forever haunt her in any political goals she has.

That said, while saying that women are "primary" victims of war could be on the list of the dumbest things a politician has uttered, it's not entirely unreasonable to claim that trauma of the living is a significant issue. When used as an approach toward war in general, I don't have a problem. For example, using the secondary trauma of survivors and family to promote aid is a good thing. But if we're talking about primary victims, the focus must be on those who could potentially love their lives in battle.

Disclaimer: I don't know enough about Hillary to comment at any debate-level on her motivations at making this statement. It's entirely possible she's a man-hater who couldn't care less about the soldiers who lose their lives in support of their country.

2014-06-29T14:32:39+00:00

lol this picture is basically: women are pretty painted retards who have it easy and men are great killers and suffer. Neither are true, the dichotomy is stupid, but men are the primary victims of war.

Clinton said this years ago, she's a woman and has no sons so its natural she is unable to empathize with men. No self-respecting woman can not be a feminist of sorts, and Hillary might possibly care about the other half of the species. Because she's a woman she can never be a man's candidate, she will only represent the women of the country, but one can hope

Kardlonoc · 2014-06-29T16:02:56+00:00

Really this clickbait again?

You guys are better than this.

2014-06-29T19:24:57+00:00

She's the best shot we have at not getting two more conservative Supreme Court Justices when two of the current ones almost certainly die/retire in the next 12 years.

So, I don't care what she needs to say to get elected--we gotta fight fire with fire here.

2014-06-30T09:06:30+00:00

In THEIR logic it makes sense. Women are the victims. Men ARE war. So women have always been the primary victims of men. Of course! For a feminist this logic must be so beautiful, it makes her cry.

But women cry over stupid shit all the time, so meh.

redkey42 · 2014-06-30T04:07:33+00:00

Someone said something stupid 16 years ago. Oh my God!

Ttabts · 2014-06-29T19:25:59+00:00

lol what a fucking idiotic picture. Yup, the situations of women in war, who may have fought as soldiers themselves or been made homeless or raped or killed or lost family members, are comparable to the emotional problems of teenagers (which of course men never deal with since they're all too busy getting killed on the frontlines and never have time for such petty woman-things like feelings).

Who upvotes this shit and then claims not to be a misogynist?

bananapanther · 2014-06-29T15:44:58+00:00

Can soldiers who willingly join the armed forces be considered victims? I would argue that innocent casualties are the primary victims of war.

That's like saying someone who agrees to have sex can become a victim if they regret it after.

Ready for the downvotes.

Title	"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." -Hillary Clinton
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