What possible alternative is there...?

omegaphallic · 2016-02-20T16:23:53+00:00

The government doesn't decide if you were raped or not, the courts decide if you can PROVE it sufficently to punish that person under the law.

WhatAFarCry · 2016-02-20T12:06:22+00:00

Well if she doesn't want to live in a country where that is so, then she should go to a place in the Middle East for example and have a religious leader decide instead.

mwobuddy · 2016-02-20T11:59:49+00:00

I just decided I was raped. The government can't decide it for me. Time for the government to go arrest and imprison my 'rapist' for a long time, because I decided for myself what rape was.

Apparently, I still need the government to decide what rape was, because they have to imprison based on that decision. They just shouldn't get to decide if I was or wasn't raped.

Am I missing anything else logically inconsistent in the argument?

_Kannon · 2016-02-20T13:02:59+00:00

This whole thing is such a fucking joke.
The message to women: If you're sexually assaulted, don't go the police right away, don't go them next day, the next week, or month, or year, or five years, go to them ten years later where no possible evidence can now exist and use it as leverage to get something you want, custody of the kids, settlement money, termination of your contract with Sony, anything you want. Incredible.

Fall_of_the_west · 2016-02-20T12:12:27+00:00

So lynch mobs?

chaku89 · 2016-02-20T14:39:56+00:00

I dont want to live in a Country where the Police decided if my house was broken into or not. They should #believe if i feel like ive been robbed and put someone in jail.

Arakin · 2016-02-20T16:38:26+00:00

The government isn't deciding if you were raped or not.

A jury of your peers is deciding whether or not your accusation against another human being in your country with the same rights as you, is legitimate or not.

Bla34112 · 2016-02-20T21:13:57+00:00

"I don't want to live in a country where the government decides what is and isn't a crime."

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2016-02-20T17:16:28+00:00

If Lady Gaga is to be the one who decides whether or not she was raped, then her rapist should be able to decide his own punishment.

Political_Cuttlefish · 2016-02-20T13:57:30+00:00

Context?

coachbradb · 2016-02-20T15:05:39+00:00

What is wrong with these people. So if someone says they were raped we just convict? We have laws for a reason.

Art0fLife · 2016-02-20T18:50:36+00:00

Oh right. So let's just take everyone at their word. You raped me, Miss Gaga. That'll be 125 million dollars. Let's skip the court process since you're not a fan. We'll do it your way. Pay up. I'll be spreading the word about what you did on social media. You can't argue it, and you can't sue me for slander since you again, don't like the legal system deciding things based on evidence. Because that would force them to address my claim's veracity, and you yourself said the government can't decide if a person was raped or not. You have no course of action to protect yourself from false claims, now pay me.

Seriously, these fucking people stun me. Does the legal system get everything right every time? You bet your ass they don't. But that doesn't mean let's throw it out altogether.

Lrellok · 2016-02-20T17:01:57+00:00

this

Canthidethetruth · 2016-02-20T17:08:45+00:00

Well apparently that rules Germany out now too.

bertreapot · 2016-02-20T18:27:38+00:00

On the plus side, more and more when I see stuff like this in my feed, rather than everyone rallying for mob justice, most people just ignore it. People are less willing to engage with SJW madness because they know they're crazy. So in a slightly sad way, progress is being made?

condemned2bfree · 2016-02-20T22:02:01+00:00

I have no clue what the context was here, but it is important to know. There was a situation during the 2010 and 2012 elections where politicians were arguing about "legitimate rape." In other words, right wing nutjobs were arguing you could not have an abortion exception in the case of rape because it might not be "legitimate" rape. Gaga might have been talking about having a bureaucrat decide whether or not your rape was legitimate enough to terminate your pregnancy. I really don't know, but that's why context is important.

toooooommmmmy · 2016-02-20T15:04:15+00:00

What possible alternative is there...?

There are at several alternatives. For example,

in primitive cultures as well as in families etc people just gather around an decide what's right
blood feuds are the normal way to see that the justice is done outside centralized states
sharia is an example of a religious law
some aspects of life are ruled by international laws
private courts have been used in ships or other places where no-one else has the monopoly of legal violence

Unenjoyed · 2016-02-20T17:22:02+00:00

It just seems wrong to have a serious conversation with someone who chose to be called Lady Gaga.

CSMastermind · 2016-02-20T18:53:27+00:00

Is it possible that she meant a jury of her peers should decide?

wiseprogressivethink · 2016-02-20T15:51:39+00:00

Then emigrate, cunt. Good luck finding a country where the government doesn't have some definition for the crime of rape, though.

HoboJenkins911 · 2016-02-20T15:37:56+00:00

it's a messed up time to be a man.

Sexual-Lucas · 2016-02-20T16:50:33+00:00

Ok, well I was raped by Lady Gaga. And you'd better believe me or you're a sexist, and the government should put her in jail with only my statement as evidence.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2016-02-20T14:44:59+00:00

What's the context here? I'll hoping she misspoke.

flyingburritoman · 2016-02-20T16:13:37+00:00

Loving big government and wanting more government programs or having no government judicial control over crime. Pick one.

zen_affleck · 2016-02-20T16:49:17+00:00

Actually no government can decide whether you were raped or not. They can only decide whether or not to prosecute or convict someone based upon jury decision, which is itself based upon evidence presented.

Vance87 · 2016-02-20T17:38:23+00:00

Lady Gaga doesn't want laws against rape, you heard it here first.

penspa · 2016-02-20T17:21:19+00:00

Doesn't she realize this would have to work both ways? Therefore I'm claiming Lady Gaga raped me

IShouldNotTalk · 2016-02-20T16:35:09+00:00

I've decided Lady Gaga raped me, why isn't she in jail?

Because there is no evidence and she hasn't been convicted by a jury of her peers in a court of law as determined by the government.

RobDog101 · 2016-02-20T18:58:13+00:00

Trial by Twitter?

JobDestroyer · 2016-02-20T19:14:25+00:00

Real answer to op question: Polycentric anarcho-capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o

rKremlin · 2016-02-21T00:52:34+00:00

I dont want to live in a country where women decide if you were raped or not. They seem to get it wrong most of the time.

RUoffended · 2016-02-21T05:50:02+00:00

And what about actual rape? Would it be better if we lived in a country where, with the all the evidence available, the government wouldn't have the power to decide if it was actual rape?

DavidByron2 · 2016-02-21T16:53:50+00:00

This story seems to be false.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/46w3p0/did_lady_gaga_really_say_that_the_government/

redgreenyellowblu · 2016-02-21T22:54:41+00:00

Maybe she could live in a nice institution?

Walrusmelon · 2016-02-23T02:04:50+00:00

Lady Gaga raped me. I'm sure you all believe me, therefore she should go to prison.

Case closed.

docdarrel555 · 2016-02-20T14:13:16+00:00

I don't want to live in a world where a woman can claim rape and it not be so... But we can't have it that way now can we?

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-02-20T15:16:26+00:00

The obvious solution then, if the government isn't doing its job, is to let the free market decide on who was raped. /s

Mikesapien · 2016-02-20T21:43:48+00:00

Context?

This comment comes as a surprise since Lady Gaga is quite vocally not a feminist:

"I'm not a feminist. I hail men, I love men."

Without knowing the whole story, I would speculate that she means she doesn't want to live in a country where rape is defined by a legislative body rather than determined by a criminal investigation.

EDIT: And for those of you jokingly chiding "Gaga raped me," very clever. So original. There's only like 12 other people in this thread who said that. Well done.

McFeely_Smackup · 2016-02-20T18:10:46+00:00

I imagine she will continue to believe that right up until a friend, family member, or she herself is falsely accused of rape. Then I bet she's suddenly going to be a big fan of the rule of law.

And I have no doubt she will find nothing in the slightest hypocritical about those two beliefs.

bat_mayn · 2016-02-20T19:02:47+00:00

She doesn't want the government to "decide" (whatever that means) whether she was raped or not, but she definitely doesn't want to rid of the system whereby the government punishes or imprisons the man that allegedly raped her.

Listen and believe. When I point my finger and lay on accusation on you, you will go to the dungeon.

eloquentnemesis · 2016-02-20T23:08:07+00:00

If the government doesn't decide, the government can't punish. I can't believe Gaga wants all rapes to go unpunished.

dominotw · 2016-02-20T12:41:20+00:00

I'm really disappointed that she would say that. I've listened several interviews where she seems to be well spoken and put together. And even said she likes be traditional in a relationship with a man.

MalibuStayZ · 2016-02-20T13:31:58+00:00

Poe's law strikes again. Did she just forgot the "/s" or is she really serious? I just can't tell.

TheDude41 · 2016-02-20T14:51:34+00:00

I guess just think whatever you want, and let rapists roam free then.

No on second though, let her go live somewhere else.

Bailie2 · 2016-02-20T16:36:10+00:00

That's like saying, You don't want to speak a language defined by a dictionary. There is a difference between forcible rape and regret sex.

Jamesathan · 2016-02-20T19:51:30+00:00

This only takes 1/6th of what she said. Its not about the government deciding if a girl was raped or not. I't was about the attitude towards rape. She says we should act more considerate and talk to the victim and ask if they are okay, rather than ask what they were wearing and if they had taken any drugs or alcohol.

ultimateballoon · 2016-02-20T20:50:26+00:00

I don't want to live in a country where people get plastic surgery to look like fish. These fish people freak me the fuck out.

Spoonwood · 2016-02-20T22:02:57+00:00

Yeah... maybe we should get Paul Elam to decide instead! /s

Only women can rape [emphasis in original].

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/ill-decide-if-you-were-raped-not-you/

DDworkerthrowaway · 2016-02-20T17:52:37+00:00

I think the context is important here. She was saying that she wants the first questions we ask a potential rape victim to be along the lines of "are you okay?" versus "what did you do to bring this upon yourself", and that is totally fine. Also, by posting about this in mens rights aren't you also enforcing the stigma that rape only happens to women?

ewoods3 · 2016-02-20T17:31:45+00:00

I wish that trainwreck would take her own advice. Or die, preferably die.

Peytoria · 2016-02-20T17:49:09+00:00

She just raped my brain give me miney

swaite · 2016-02-20T18:45:40+00:00

I was raped by Lady Gaga.

r12ski · 2016-02-20T19:03:45+00:00

We need a czar! Quick, who would like to be the Rape Czar!?!

BrainBumbler · 2016-02-20T19:17:37+00:00

Oh god, this twat.

Let's remember that Mrs. Ga-Gueh is also the type of person to use her fame as a moral stepping stone. IIRC there was an interview she did sometimes last year where she essentially said, in a completely unironic way mind you- that she was unquestionable in her SJW attitude because she was famous; because she sold millions of albums, and that therefore, she was better than other people. Now, while there is some truth to the fact that she might be good at creating popular music, she seems jaded by her popularity. In short:

I'm really not surprised.

She sees herself as the ultimate authority, and when a conceited person meets feminism- I'm pretty sure they make a baby.

NUMBERS2357 · 2016-02-20T19:44:30+00:00

The only other alternative is to not have rape be illegal. Or, I guess, a poll of Internet feminists to decide?

PotatoScallops · 2016-02-20T23:03:54+00:00

She can fuck off to Iran then

ThePigmanAgain · 2016-02-20T23:27:52+00:00

When did she say that, in between exploiting Bowie's death for publicity purposes?

Electroverted · 2016-02-21T00:39:10+00:00

That's very misogynist of Gaga to not want law enforcement to punish rapists anymore. That wouldn't end very well for women.

sincerely_ignatius · 2016-02-20T17:52:07+00:00

she's mostly right, but her point is unsophisticated.

gaga may not be the brightest bulb, but her point is that a crime is a crime and that victims are victims, regardless of how the government decides. meaning... i don't think Nicole Brown Simpson's family thinks she wasn't murdered by OJ just because the government found him not guilty. What comes across though, is that she's implying victims should be the judge and jury. I don't think she's doing that. I think she's mirroring the abortion argument.. that the government should decide what women get to do with their bodies. it's just a little unsophisticated how she says it. perhaps there is more to the quote?

liquidtops · 2016-02-20T19:38:57+00:00

When did Men's Rights become a hate group? Sheesh.

DaQonde · 2016-02-20T17:37:24+00:00

She is right. The government does decide whether or not to let in Muslim migrants.

What possible alternative is there...?

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