What kind of bullshit is this?

youlleatitandlikeit · 2013-06-09T07:23:14+00:00

People who have read my posts on /r/MensRights in the past know I usually roll my eyes at the stuff said in here but yeah, this is serious bullshit.

This should not be divided by woman=victims and men=abusers. It should say something like "Experiencing abuse? Call this number" "Worried about becoming an abuser? Call this number".

I think that on the whole men have a slight ~~edge~~ numerical advantage over women when it comes to physical abuse (might be a wash when you consider verbal/emotional abuse) but even if it were overwhelmingly one or the other this is just wrong.

How would a man feel coming to this page, already suffering feelings of shame by being a victim of physical abuse, only to see that basically his problems were being completely ignored? What about a woman fearful of her abusive tendencies?

EDIT: to be clear, I don't mean "edge" as in "advantage". I merely meant numerically; that I am guessing that there are more physically abusive men than there are physically abusive women. This is not to say that abuse by females is uncommon, just that it seems that men are slightly more likely to perpetrate it.

notcaptainkirk · 2013-06-09T06:10:58+00:00

Man: My wife has been beating me for months on end and I'm finally at the end of my rope and I'm contemplating raising a hand to protect myself.

Helpline: You MONSTER!

Unenjoyed · 2013-06-09T03:31:44+00:00

I usually just lurk on this subreddit to get an idea of how far we are swinging from lack of female rights to lack of male rights, but this seriously struck a chord. Now in all honesty I will not do anything about it, however I will say that I am dumbfounded how the Department of Child Protection could put something that sexist up. Most of the stuff I see on here is just plain ignorance towards the male perspective of the case at hand(i.e Rape, Abuse.....), but that right there is just plain, flat out sexist and not to mention offensive. I feel that the people in charge of deciding what information is displayed have truly forgotten that all matters in life are a two way road. They have cut out the fact that not only men can induce an abusive relationship. I hope who ever decided what should be displayed on that webpage gets a quick education in how what he/she wrote was wrong.

Slyfox00 · 2013-06-09T08:01:37+00:00

That's BS, reminds me of a new military sexual harassment/assault booklet I read the other day.

It had the same BS in it. It started out gender neutral "Service member"(jargon for person) this "service member" that

when it got to the procedure for filling an assault... "and then when SHE files a harassment report"

stupid rape culture

Here is a very inspiring TED Talk

Colin Stokes: How movies teach manhood

Ted8367 · 2013-06-09T01:31:37+00:00

I would call it equality bullshit, where any challenge to balance can be refuted by pointing out that, look, it's equal: there's a helpline for women, and there's a helpline for men too!

The general field of bullshit appreciation has benefitted enormously from the Internet which is such a rich, redolent source of it. Every day, I'm trying to better my neophyte status and progress onwards to being a true connoisseur. Thanks, Government of Western Australia.

radamanthine · 2013-06-09T04:36:16+00:00

This is really disheartening.

I went to their website so I could drop them a quick email, pointing out their poor wording. I was going to say how I know many men who've been victims of domestic violence, and that the wording on their website is alienating many men.

But unfortunately I can't find an email address. I see emails I can contact if I know a child who is being abused, but no emails for general website inquiries.

Edit: I found the email address [email protected] and I sent them a very politely-worded email. Hopefully this can all be cleared up.

NrwhlBcnSmrt-ttck · 2013-06-09T01:05:20+00:00

Didn't you know? Only men are capable of violence. Wymyn would never do such a thing.

DavidByron · 2013-06-09T08:05:20+00:00

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5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-06-09T16:19:22+00:00

Equal resources for female victims and male perps; feminist-equality.

Also women get free shelters and men get free jail cells.

TheAlmightyProphet · 2013-06-09T20:28:35+00:00

Somebody please tell me this is fake.

Luxpreliator · 2013-06-09T03:15:50+00:00

I didn't see the bottom half so I was wondering what was so wrong with

experiencing family and domestic violence

That seems a little wordy, family violence pretty much is domestic violence but that's not bullshit. Then I looked at the photo again and saw what was for men.

Who are concerned about becoming violent or abusive.

Oh, yeah that's messed up. They probably just call the police on you instead of counseling.

v3n0mat3 · 2013-06-09T11:57:25+00:00

As a male that has gone through an abusive relationship in the past:

These people can go to Hell.

ashewalton · 2013-06-09T18:12:13+00:00

I imagine their men's hotline is incredibly popular. Shit, I'm thinking about hittin' Jimmy again, better call the hotline.

2013-06-09T06:16:38+00:00

... and then the woman in the ad, "I'm special"... lol. I know its out of context. Just funny.

C0mmun1ty · 2013-06-09T05:22:47+00:00

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Electroverted · 2013-06-09T02:04:37+00:00

LOL Australia

gettingbitter85 · 2013-06-09T15:12:46+00:00

This is my throwaway account (glad I remember the password). I was a victim of female violence in Western Australia, this is what happened to me.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zut4t/victim_of_domestic_violence/

It is the views of the Government and Police that meant I never achieved a positive outcome from this situation and it really damaged my life.

gsettle · 2013-06-09T21:34:32+00:00

This is the anti-male agenda brought to you by Liberals, both in govt and the media. If you are a man, especially an older, white man, you are automatically "Guilty". Somehow YOU have oppressed minorities just by existing. Put more simply, this is gender discrimination, plain-and-simple. But what you will hear is, "Yes, but we're doing it right".

pooptuna · 2013-06-09T04:13:00+00:00

Yeah, I guess I should be concerned about being abusive trying to defend myself from my abusive girlfriend.

acctothrowaway · 2013-06-09T11:54:24+00:00

That's ridiculous.

2013-06-09T12:50:15+00:00

Australians should be calling this hotline to ask them to be gender neutral. Be courteous and acknowledge the good the service is doing already. Then ask them to be more equal and include all victims and all perpetrators. This service is also denying women who may want help for their own abusiveness and this could hurt their kids (and husbands obviously).

greeniguana6 · 2013-06-09T13:56:24+00:00

There should be classes for those who are experiencing abuse and those who are concerned about becoming abusive, but they shouldn't be gender specific. This really is bullshit.

2013-06-09T16:21:37+00:00

What makes the most sense is one # for anyone who may be the victim, or may be an abuser, regardless of sex...but that would make too much sense.

jstein97 · 2013-06-09T17:43:04+00:00

don't complain here, complain to them. [email protected]

PeterPorky · 2013-06-09T05:26:14+00:00

That's such bullshit. I can't believe someone actually typed that out without thinking how stupid it is.

iMADEthis2post · 2013-06-09T01:27:41+00:00

ugg.. just.. I actually feel sick. Glad I didn't stay in Australia that's for sure.

2013-06-09T05:26:32+00:00

God damn it. I might actually have to write a letter for once. This is completely fucked!

r_rships_account · 2013-06-09T06:08:13+00:00

It would be amusing to have a friendly woman (I'm sure they exist!) phone the women's line pretending to be concerned about becoming violent or abusive.

I wonder if they would tell her to phone the men's line ... or maybe they'd just tell her that she's an abuse victim starting to rise up against her perpetrator.

Wheels279 · 2013-06-09T02:11:37+00:00

That would be feminist bullshit.

Ganswon · 2013-06-09T04:42:13+00:00

This is making me feel like becoming violent and abusive. . .

Hamakua · 2013-06-09T04:19:44+00:00

Women's Rape counseling Helpline

The Women's Rape Helpline is a 24 hour service. This service provides support and counseling for women experiencing rape. This includes phone counseling, information and advice, referral to local law enforcement and advocacy support. This service can ask the man, in a very stern tone to stop raping the woman if required.

Men's Rape Counseling Helpline.

The Men's Rape counseling helpline is a state wide 24 hour service. You feeling a rape'n coming on? The Service can provide immediate rape aversion counseling, direct local authorities to your location, and can even take your confession and transcribe it so your processing into gen-pop will be a smooth and swift as possible. Don't forget gentlemen, the sooner you admit you are a rapist, the sooner we can help you help us protect society at large from you.

http://dcp.wa.gov.au/noagencynocrime/pages/beingrapedandraping.aspx

JavaPants · 2013-06-09T03:58:13+00:00

Your normal garden-variety feminist bullshit.

2013-06-09T03:54:49+00:00

I feel that every man who has ever been abused by his girlfriend or wife should call the men's hotline and ask for help from the deranged psychopath that lives in their house.

r_rships_account · 2013-06-09T06:05:58+00:00

Welcome to the Democratic People's Republic of Australia. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

ThePigman · 2013-06-09T10:46:40+00:00

What kind of bullshit? It's the kind of bullshit common in Australia. You know, the country being run by a feminist cow who got into parliament through affirmative action then go the job of PM by stabbing her male boss in the back.

2013-06-09T15:46:13+00:00

You know what I hate about this sub? The lack of action. It's good to raise awareness but I mean we all want to help change the world, so contact information to complain about this would be good.

MangoFox · 2013-06-09T23:21:21+00:00

A repost is what it is.

VideoLinkBot · 2013-06-11T21:37:59+00:00

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Slyfox00	34	Colin Stokes: How movies teach manhood
flying-sheep	17	OBJECTIFICATION AND... MEN? Jimquisition
theskepticalidealist	4	Real 'War on Women' - Christina Hoff Sommers
theskepticalidealist	4	Christina Hoff Sommers on Violence Against Women
theskepticalidealist	2	Damselception
theskepticalidealist	2	To Justicar, and in memory of Earl
theskepticalidealist	2	Hi, Danielle, nice to make your acquaintance...
theskepticalidealist	2	How I Became An MRA
theskepticalidealist	2	The Rape Religion
theskepticalidealist	2	Part 1 - Warren Farrell and Erin Pizzey January 14, 2013
theskepticalidealist	2	Rape Hysteria by Students, Part 2 / Misandry in Education
theskepticalidealist	2	Bias Against Men and Boys in Mental Health Research
oneiorosgrip	2	Domestic Violence: The Gap Between Empirical Evidence and Policies and Practice 1 de 3
oneiorosgrip	2	Honeybadger Files 002: Erin Pizzey
theskepticalidealist	2	Rape Hysteria by Students, Part 1 / Misandry in Education
theskepticalidealist	2	Rape Hysteria by Students, Part 3 / Misandry in Education
I_am_Norwegian	1	Angry misogynists!
I_am_Norwegian	1	Feminism and the Disposable Male
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Ron-Swanson	1	16+ В амурском интернате жестоко избивали детей!

Phallic · 2013-06-09T04:32:12+00:00

Write a letter. Write a sensible, restrained letter, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they changed their sexist wording.

ThatCoolBlackGuy · 2013-06-09T03:47:41+00:00

In a way it is still helping men who are feeling urges and that are seeking help. But i feel as if that demographic is so small that this is just offensive to every other type of man.

Like really do they NOT see their bias or what is wrong here?

TheHonestCommenter · 2013-06-09T06:26:09+00:00

"equality"

Theninjaranga · 2013-06-09T06:59:58+00:00

Have you emailed The West or other newspapers?

2013-06-09T11:35:47+00:00

Write them.

kidtrazesup · 2013-06-09T06:40:48+00:00

It's a liberal government agency. Expect it.

SarcasticDouchebag · 2013-06-09T14:02:45+00:00

Yeah, that is terrible. Statistically speaking, far more men than women are victims of domestic violence.

AV3NG3R00 · 2013-06-09T16:08:22+00:00

Yeh, so I think it's more of a response to the situation as it is today. The vast majority of couple's domestic violence calls in NSW are men hitting women. Guys can still call the cops - no problems there - but there just aren't enough cases to justify opening a hotline for male abuse victims. It's less a political statement than it is applied practicality.

thane_of_cawdor · 2013-06-09T07:21:48+00:00

G'day Mate

PeterArching · 2013-06-12T20:28:45+00:00

Can we get a helpline up for serial killers too?

How about muggers? Or bankers?

"Please help me, I'm about to implode the entire mortgage finance system"

UDT22 · 2013-06-09T16:57:52+00:00

It is what it is. Deal with it.

fack_yo_couch · 2013-06-09T02:28:40+00:00

The only help-line we have is called the police... and keeping our dicks the fuck out of crazy.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-06-09T13:29:01+00:00

This is just an extraordinarily pedantic and lame subreddit.

Hessmix · 2013-06-09T11:39:02+00:00

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nannal · 2013-06-09T07:02:42+00:00

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Hydro033 · 2013-06-09T13:51:40+00:00

Here is my question - do you guys really want to be treated like women? I, as a man, prefer it this way. I can take care of myself if a woman is abusing me and I am proud of that.

JesseTheWarrener · 2013-06-09T03:33:58+00:00

There's a Men's Rights subreddit? Why?

robert32907 · 2013-06-09T05:03:42+00:00

Australia's PM is female. I place the blame for this discriminatory double-standard squarely at her delicately-pedicured feet.

Shieldbase · 2013-06-09T05:42:35+00:00

It's because they figure men can solve their own problems themselves and avoid being beaten up by their wives, on account of men being larger and stronger. A pretty alien concept to this subreddit, I know.

iamsofired · 2013-06-09T08:50:06+00:00

This subreddit is lol.

violetacerz · 2013-06-09T12:51:05+00:00

You realize this is a perfect shining example of "patriarchy harms men too" right?

Title	What kind of bullshit is this?
Author	Down-n-Dirty
Upvotes	3132
Comments	394
Date	June 9, 2013 12:34 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1fyeh3/what_kind_of_bullshit_is_this/
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