Women care more about feelings than facts.

Everlovingwhat1010 · 2025-01-20T15:48:56+00:00

You think the Quillette is a reliable source. Lord.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2025-01-20T10:37:42+00:00

People really misunderstand the terms "facts" and "feelings".

They seem to think facts are simple indisputable universal truths (no, facts can change with more context and evidence. Any scientist would tell you that) and feelings are pissbaby tantrums that mean absolutely nothing.

Truth is, both are incredibly important pieces of information, especially towards the structuring and development of our species. We need people to think and see beyond concrete "facts" and what is immediately tangible in order to move forward.

Most theories of moral philosophy are feelings based fields and having a preference for emotions does not mean you automatically are incapable of considering or incomparating facts into your analysis.

All political ideologies are a mix of facts and feelings. Populism, nationalism and conservatism appeal to tradition, cultural identity, fear or skepticism of external forces whereas Liberal/left appeal to inclusion, compassion, globalist outlooks etc.

No one is either just one or the other, nor is a feeling preference automatically bad and dumb. The world would be a pretty awful place without it.

Edit; also free speech being inherently a good thing isn't a "fact", it's a philosophical postion with many arguments for and against (the rapid spread of misinformation and fake news in the name of "freedom of speech" being one).

MidoriEgg · 2025-01-20T07:53:57+00:00

The example you gave doesn’t prove your point at all. People tend to get very emotional when arguing about ‘free speech’ on both sides. ‘Complete free Speech on campus is better’ isn’t a fact, it’s a feeling- something you feel is right. Same as the other side.

The whole facts vs feelings dichotomy tends to be short-sighted anyway. Humans are emotional creatures. Logic that doesn’t take that into account is incomplete.

RapaxIII · 2025-01-20T11:33:34+00:00

This is most evident in the US where scientific/academic institutions actually help women (feminism mostly) to employ facts over feelings. This has resulted in research driven purely by ideology, which led to what's known as the "replication crisis"

A cornerstone of scientific research is other people testing your thesis, and, if you find similar results, making an empirical claim with that additional evidence. Here in America, our science and research institutions are so captured by ideology that the experiments and trends being researched have no additional or alternative test results to verify the hypothesis:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

Our society has given so much oxygen to ridiculous beliefs like "academic feminism" and LGBT theory but we literally have no scientific evidence for any of it

No-Description4322 · 2025-01-20T06:13:08+00:00

So do guys.

All the most "logical" guys I know (including me );argue from a place of emotion. We try to find facts and arguments that fit how we feel

I will say this though men tend to be more fair than otherwise because of socialization.

That will change though

Makuta_Servaela · 2025-01-20T06:33:42+00:00

Facts and feelings are not mutually exclusive. Context can affect the presentation and use of facts.

For instance, a 2017 survey indicated that a majority of men supported free speech protections on campuses, while a significant number of women favored protecting students from offensive ideas.

So? This is irrelevant to your point unless you are presuming that free speech is the more logical one and limitations on speech is the more emotional one. One could just as easily argue that free speech is the more emotional one, because saying whatever you want regardless of the harm it causes others is a pretty emotional thing to do.

Men and women also differ in their views on the role of academic freedom versus social equity in research, with men generally prioritizing truth and women showing more complexity in their responses.

Again, it can easily be argued that wanting context is more logical and uses actual facts, while wanting contextless "truth" is more emotional, since the latter is easier to use for cherry-picking.

There has been a notable increase in budgets allocated to diversity initiatives, as well as the introduction of diversity statements in faculty job applications.

Because there are arguments that having leadership and faculty be as diverse as the population is good for the people affected by that leadership and faculty. People learn best when they have things in common with the people in charge.

Concerns about academic freedom have arisen as more academics face scrutiny and potential sanctions for their research, particularly if it is perceived as harmful.

Again, wanting to cause whatever harm you want out of fear of actually facing consequences can easily be argued to be quite emotional.

flipsidetroll · 2025-01-20T08:31:22+00:00

Ok. Let’s for now, say women care more about feelings than facts.

You’re on trial for manslaughter. You were drinking. The facts would make it that you purposely got in your car and drove, not caring that you were drunk and could potentially harm someone. Those “facts” show “not caring” as a fact. But it’s really making a conclusion about your emotional state. So you cannot escape how emotions are considered facts.

However, your wife passed away the day this happened. You were distraught and that’s why you were drinking. So……would you want the jury to take that information into account, and “care” about your emotions at that time? Or would you want them to be utterly cold and not use that, use only that you killed an innocent person with your car?

I think the better debate would be how men don’t seem to recognise how many things are actually emotions.

How many times do redpillers say “women don’t care” or “men need respect”? Yeah. Those are all emotional issues. So they want women to be emotional, they just like to use it against them. That’s the biggest circle jerk of all.

Hosj_Karp · 2025-01-20T08:56:48+00:00

I don't think women are systemically less rational than men. Men are feeling-oriented too, just in different ways.

PeachAffectionate145 · 2025-01-20T11:00:04+00:00

Which studies are deemed offensive?

Everlovingwhat1010 · 2025-01-20T15:27:06+00:00

Men: “we are far more fact driven and rational than women.”

Also men: “you can’t expect a man to just turn down sex or vet who they fuck? They are desperate! Men are ruled by their testosterone!”

Also men: “It’s women’s fault that men knock them up and run off. We can’t expect men to be anything other than horny assholes who shirk their responsibility to their own offspring like spoiled toddlers.”

Our entire enlightenment is built on feelings - ie the emotional value judgment that each human being has an innate worth and rights endowed by our creator. Running only on “fact” and not feelings is how you get enslavement. We need fact and feeling in our decision making process.

And men are very much governed by emotion, which leads to very motivated reasoning. So are women. The ones who think they aren’t are just fooling themselves.

stickbreak_arrowmake · 2025-01-20T07:41:15+00:00

Brother, if you are hyperfocused on what facts are most important to you, let me tell you what we call the brain chemicals fueling that compulsion...

TopShelfSnipes · 2025-01-20T06:38:45+00:00

IMO, "women in academia" is not a representative sample of women.

It's been well documented that far leftists have attempted "the long march through the institutions" and academia has LONG been one of their key industries. The DSA has even openly admitted such.

Far leftists are extremely overrepresented in all academia these days, but it is very discipline specific, which is, I suspect the reason for the gender disparity in academia specifically.

BobtheArcher2018 · 2025-01-20T12:46:29+00:00

There is an angle where you can say women are more emotional, biologically based. But this needs nuance and the effect size is often overstated.

On the flip side, if partially-uncontrollable emotionality is a fact of life, is it really 'logical' to act like we can ignore or override emotions to an extent we cannot? Or is there emergent 'logic' in the female wisdom that there is no transcending emotion and you have to work with it as a 'fact' of life.

qwertyuduyu321 · 2025-01-20T17:08:36+00:00

Women care more about feels than facts.

A majority of women do care more about feels than facts, yeah.

However, I'm not to sure that this thinking pattern is exlusive to women anymore. I think there's a gap between men and women ( with men generally prefering to use logic as a tool in order to navigate life more so than women) but it's progressively narrowing in my opinion.

It used to be quite a bit wider in the not too distant past.

Equal_Connect · 2025-01-20T14:02:58+00:00

“Facts don’t care about your feelings” - Ben Shapiro

LillthOfBabylon · 2025-01-20T08:22:32+00:00

Men here: Lillith hates men.

Lillith: Proof that I hate men?

Men here: I dont need to present proof!

Mountain_Sand3135 · 2025-01-20T06:08:38+00:00

remember its how you say it vs what you say

2+2=4

TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FUCKING 4

both are true but women will react differently

Kentaro009 · 2025-01-20T06:16:12+00:00

Many of us have known this for years.

Women are vibes first, facts after.

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adamsfig23 · 2025-01-20T19:17:26+00:00

Academic Freedom is not equal to Freedom of Speech. Academic freedom, as it pertains to censorship is a capitalist idea, not a ideological one. When a professor (male or female) is pushing research or teaching students from a perspective that could potentially harm the brand of the university, said professor is censored. This is not ideological, it's rational and businesslike. That so many educated folks vote along the lines of liberalism is not causing the censorship, it's enhancing and accelerating it, but this is, in and of itself, not wrong.

The idea that women are more emotional vs rational is bunk. Damasio has extensively studied (empirically and with tests that can be proven over and over again) that all decisions are truly emotional regardless of facts (given they are made in the amygdala rather than in the pre-frontal cortex) and so to even begin to speak to "men are more logical" is provably false. Men have a different way of justifying their emotional decision center than women, and the presented logic of that decision is different (trying to justify with facts vs justifying with feeling) but it is not the case that logic led to the decision, that is post-facto rationalization.

As regards "protecting students" vs. scientific progress, I believe this is a false dichotomy. It's like choosing between a polar bear and an orange. I believe women are just as interested in scientific progress, they simply aren't interested in the potential for collective harm along the way (that is, they are more comfortable designing experiments or pursuing academic study that isn't riddled with harm). That is to say, I'm absolutely sure a man out there would consider a "scientific experiment" that centered on raping people, but a woman is much much less likely to do so. In the same way that women in the military are more likely to seek a way to achieve outcomes differently than men (where on Tucker Carlson this week it was discussed that they wanted an army that wanted to sit on the skulls of Chinese people). That is, harm is not viewed as counter productive to society moreso by men.

PPD_DailyPoster · 2025-01-20T19:25:32+00:00

Eww Quillette.

Regardless, this is only for college campuses, so you can't generalise from that.

Puzzleheaded_ghost · 2025-01-21T01:54:32+00:00

It's interesting that people even try to debate against the obvious here. Look to the literature for support of anything but the dominant narrative. They are so tolerant. Subtle influence is more effective at social engineering, in my experience. Maybe they actually drink the cool aid. Go figure.

chobolicious88 · 2025-01-21T15:38:57+00:00

Im shocked

Aggravating-Lake959 · 2025-01-21T16:14:45+00:00

And that’s why I don’t like women

Melthengylf · 2025-01-21T19:36:40+00:00

>Surveys indicate that a majority of male researchers prioritize scientific progress, while female researchers often emphasize societal progress.

You can't get societal progress if you are wrong, there is where this women get mistaken.

Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2025-01-21T23:09:27+00:00

Really? Coming from the men who claim they’re oppressed because women don’t choose them? Really?

spletharg2 · 2025-01-22T07:02:07+00:00

I guess they'd rather have lies than truth.

leosandlattes · 2025-01-20T06:32:35+00:00

What does this have to do with heterosexual dating dynamics, aka the point and purpose of this subreddit? This has to tie into pill debate.

just_a_place · 2025-01-20T07:23:15+00:00

This is PUA Knowledge 101: Women only remember how you make them feel. They couldn't care less about the facts, or your actions.

This is why deceiving them is extremely easy in dating because they emote and only emote, they never reason, never observe, never see. They only listen and then feel. This is why dating is extremely maddening for men who think women use their eyes to see the bigger picture, the way men do, when in reality she is exclusively interested only in her own feelings. The outside world and reality be damned.

This is also why men rip their hair out in frustration when after all that we do, women still bitch and complain that they feel unappreciated and unloved. As if slaying that fucking dragon for her was done purely for our own health. Women are blind to actions. Of course they don't see jack shit of what we do. They are just not interested in actions, their sole interest is in those actions - specifically words - that make her feel a certain way.

If a man can master the art of manipulating her feelings he is a god to her. You can have her living in filth, poor as fuck, and pregnant but if you make her feel a type of way she will worship the ground you walk on.

Efficient-Baker1694 · 2025-01-20T06:20:16+00:00

I thought this was a thing that most people knew already.

Title	Women care more about feelings than facts.
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